>STARMIES GONNA GET PURE POWER!You mean Yoga Power, from the pokemon that specifically practices yoga in its pokedex entries?The completely skewed worldview of English fans completely misses a massive amount of the games mechanics, distributions, and lore because things are properly translated nor can they easily due to the nuances of the Japanese language, colloquialisms, implicit meanings, and cultural distinctions convey purely through used characters.
>>58492231Ah yes, Helioptile, my favorite snake PokemonYWNBJ
>>58492231Youre right but starmie is getting some kind of pure/huge power ability simply because of it's stats. And yes, Ampharos will never get tail glow
>>58492231The average person won’t and will never care about this
>>58492231How could you forget Quiver Dance as well? I've seen it tossed around like the other examples as well, usually ignoring the fact it's really called Butterfly Dance. Liligant and Oricorio is the only non-bugs that currently get it but they at least make sence.
>>58492236its still a basilisk
>>58492236It only obtains this move if it breeds with Snake pokemon to inherit snake eyes. Only Snake pokemon learn it naturally.>>58492255Yes but a grand amount of confusion about the games mechanics and even its lore are lost. Just consider the "Spooky Plate" in its original name: もののけプレート. This is a very specific concept that notates the "Vengeful Spirit" Yokai. Its translation is lost.>>58492244Even Huge Power people misunderstand. ちからもち can convey a number of things, and each one of those is captured in the pokemon that have Huge Power. ちからもち can be a double meaning of "Rice Cake that Makes you Strong." Marill's design is like that of a Rice Cake which implies the nature by which it gets its strength. It is the very Rice Cake that makes you strong. This corresponds with the turn of phrase that many products of Marill are used "Mocchiricchi" when it that it is a being squishy like a rice cake.ちからもち Also can be interpreted to be "Person with a vendetta." This aligns with Mawile and the way its mega changes its form.Likewise ちからもち can also be interpretted as a colloquialism for "Muscleman" someone who innately just has strong muscles despite their appearance, which aligns with Bunnelby's line.
Yeah? It's getting Huge Power, who gives a shit if people incorrectly say Pure Power, you know what they mean.
>>58492357>Yes but a grand amount of confusion about the games mechanics and even its lore are lost.Yeah inconsequential fluff that only autists care about.
it's also possible it'll have a unique ability that just functions similarly to huge/pure power but with a different name. like star power or something
>>58492368Is Starmie a mochi that makes you strong? Is it someone with a vendetta? Is it someone who seems to have innately and strong body despite having less than telling physical appearance? Does it convey a person who has an overwhelming amount of muscles on them?If not, its not what ちからもち can be interpreted as. >>58492407A possibility but from the evidence in the Japanese of the existing abilities, neither Pure nor Huge Power seems to apply to it.
>>58492426Nigga no one cares. We know it's getting either Huge Power or Pure Power from it's stat spread. No one gives a shit which one. If they make a new ability with the same effect cool, still nobody is gonna care about the distinction between the abilities
>>58492231Remind me why Cryagonal got Attract again?
>>58492231The double attack ability for Yoga users makes more sense than the double attack ability for rabbits.Starmie is WAY closer to Yoga than Rabbits.Its either Pure Power or a new "Star Power" etc. ability that does the same thing.
>>58492357Rabbits get powerful mochi because the Japanese equivalent of The Man in the Moon is a rabbit pounding mochi.
>>58492231Confusion is especially interesting because in the TCG it was localized as "Psyshock" long before the actual move Psyshock existed.
>>58492357ah yes, drampamy favorite snake pokemon
>>58492492It is an idiom in Japanese that goes something to the effect of "You are as alluring as the snowfall" when translated. Cryagonal is literally a snowflake, which is why it learns it.>>58492485It very well could be HUGE power under the clause that it is going for the "unassumingly but innately strong" colloquialism, but we know it will 100% not be pure power as that is only for pokemon that practice Yoga.
>>58492542"Turning stiff limbs into flexible ones" seems within the bounds of yoga to me
Its a pointless arguement since they have an equal chance of just making up something new.
>>58492357Your Marill thing is overthinking it.Its literally just the rabbit pun, Azumarill is a Rabbit, Diggersby is a Rabbit, Mawile gets two big mouths that resemble Rabbit ears. Its JUST the Rabbit Mochi pun.
>>58492231>Hyper Cutter's JP name is "Monstrous Pincers">People keep wanting it on any Pokémon that cuts things
>>58492303>>58492561But people keep asking for Gill Bite / Fishious Rend on random stuff like Floatzel when it doesn't make sense in either language.
>>58492539Yes, Drampa is as much a snake a Serperior, being one whole snake body but having little appendages along with it. Its Japanese name "爺龍" explicitly references the Chinese "Long" dragons that are serpentine in appearance. >>58492523see>>58492528>>58492530Its interesting because the wording literally just means "Impressing ones willpower" like mentally you're just pressing against the person with your aura. Not a full psychokinetic attack like "Psychic" which is really "Psychokinesis" >>58492558But it bares repeating as people constantly talk about these issues that Nintendo has refused to clarify in better translations. >>58492559I was just putting more linguistic flare to it so people could see, but yes, the phrase itself goes both with the design specifically when the ability was introduced in gen III only for Marill (the mochi shaped Rabbit that has the ability "Mochi that makes you strong") which is a little less blatant with the other Rabbits, Mawile and Bunnelby.>>58492561Yes this is another horribly bad translations. "Tough Pincers" would have been sufficient.
>>58492561They should have given it a Bugilate effect on top of the Atk protection. Pinsir would love it, and Kingler would appreciate having weird stuff like Bug-type 168 BP Facade.
>>58492231>Rename Renzoku Punch to Comet Punch>Rename Comet Punch to Meteor Mash>Translate Fuiuchi as Sucker Punch"Why does Iron Fist work on Meteor Mash but not Sucker Punch?"
They could've tranlsated hop to flop instead of splash.
>>58492231All languages should be Romanized.
>>58492559Can Starmie get Huge Power now?
>>58492798Bunnygirl would be a pathway to Huge Power.
>>58492811Then why doesn’t Lopunny have it?
>>58492357>It only obtains this move if it-ACK!
>Flygon is the "Mystic Pokemon">Is actually せいれいポケモン "Dead Desert Spirit "This is why all of its dex entries talk about it being a singing woman or a desert spirit. Its the lost soul of someone who died in the desert.
>>58493102>Has to have an empty move slot>Has to have a picnic with a pokemon that knows glare naturally (snakes)Yes, the Imitation Herb allows a pokemon to learn an genetically passed move from snakes by having the magic of imitation fulfill the genetic egg move from said snake.You're still not getting around the fact that all these things are contingent on snakes. >>58493094Being a rabbit doesn't guarantee you get it, it is just a potential prerequisite. The dev team went in a different direction with wanting Lopunny to be a scrappy ghost puncher.But as it stands right now, all Huge Power users are Bunnies aligning with the notion that the GF dev team reserves this ability for pokemon on the basis that the ability is being interpreted as "Mochi that Makes you Strong" which is made by bunnies on the moon in Japanese mythos.>>58492593Yes, Gill Bite would be reserved only for fish pokemon by the names meaning, not any water type.
>>58492426All of Starmies limbs have thickened considerably, so yeah, I would say you could describe it as abundantly muscular.
>>58492231Xurxitree is my favorite fireflySigilyph is my favorite parrot
dragon type yanmega evo be like
>>58492231Why doesn't ampharos get tail glow?>its japanese name is firefly glow, ampharos is not a fireflyOk then why doesn't illumise get tail glow?>only male fireflies produce lightNot even true for most species, but ok, why does xurkitree get tail glow?>While I do agree the original jap names can be used to give a layer of flavor that can be lost in translation, you people seem to think japs are immune to incompetence, oversight or exceptions
>>58492231It's obviously gonna get a clone of the ability called Star Power, dumbass
>>58493177>Yes, the Imitation Herb allows a pokemon to learn an genetically passed move from snakesso the Japanese name doesn't actually matter and you're just a coping weeb. Glad we agree.
>>58492231We only say “Pure/Huge Power” because those are the only x2 Atk abilities and are identical otherwise.What Mega Starmie will get is “Star Power” and it’ll function identically to Huge/Pure Power.
>>58493770Sigilyph is a mystical bird hence it does parrot mimicry. Not hard to comprehend it having bird voicebox to explain the anatomy of how it does it.Xurkitree, Volbeat, and Manaphy all fit the criteria of having what constitutes the biological light-bulb-esque anatomy yo produce what is a firefly light.Volbeat and Manaphy are more direct on the meaning purely being fireflies themselves while Xurkitree's light-bulb tail constitutes being the same anatomy you would see in a firefly'a light.Moves are consistent in Japanese on being distributed by anatomy
>>58493177You know fish aren't the only things with gills, right?
>>58494531Certain crustaceans mollusks amphibians and worms all have gills, but not otters.Floatzel could never have gill bite.
>>58492715damn u rite tho
Splash is bad
>>58492231All the English names sound better, literally the Top .001% of loc work, you are just a pleb OP *Dragonfly Ret- ahem U-TURNS out of this thread*
>>58495258How can you say that when comet punch should have been combo punch
>>58492231The problem with Pokemon names and move names in particular is not that they are poorly translated, it's that they're not translated at all.It was obvious this created problems as early as Pokemon Stadium, but NoA has just kept doing it.You have to wonder how they figured out Hell Wheel was a martial arts/wrestling thing to name it submission without catching that it was a Street Fighter reference. Hell Wheel is a rolling throw where the person attempting the move slams their back into the ground and rolls through to toss a person backwards, which is why it does recoil damage. It would have helped if Gamefreak explained this to someone, but they didn't even bother explaining it to the Stadium team, in Stadium Hell Wheel users just spin around and then throw a punch.Pokemon has way too many obscure references and joke names for even other Japanese speakers to get all of them without additional notes, it's crazy that Game Freak doesn't give that background info to translators or supplemental studios.
>>58492426Mawile isn't. Neither is it a rabbit (mortifying mochi can refer to a rabbit pounding mochi.).
>>58494584I accept your concession.
>>58492231ywnbj
>ねんりき>Willpowerwhere does bulbapedo find these fucking idiots? it contextually and very clearly is not "willpower"
>>58492612Do you consider "Psychic" to be a satisfactory localization for Psychokinesis? If not, what would you have used? It still needs to fit the 12 character limit.
>>58492357>Just consider the "Spooky Plate" in its original name: もののけプレート. This is a very specific concept that notates the "Vengeful Spirit" Yokai. Its translation is lost.who gives a shit. it’s a ghost plate, that’s all you need to know. ghost is spooky. spooky plate.
>>58495520I'm pretty sure it used to be Mindpower on there too
>>58495527I care. Spooky plate sounds gay. Vengeful spirit plate sounds metal as fuck.
>>58495447Mawile does gain bunny ears in its mega.
Its be a shame if....... someone came into this thread...... and brought the Japanese elephant in the lore room
>>58495817So Huge Power is is really "Bunnies with Mochi that makes you Strong" and Pure Power is really "Yoga Power."Jesus NoA translators are bad at their jobs.
>>58495258Are you seriously trying to give NoA credit for good localization when half the abilities and moves in the game don't make sense distribution-wise unless you're a nativeborn Japanese?
>>58492376>Yeah inconsequential fluff that only autists care about.Where do you think you are
>>58492338Druddigon, too?
>>58496393It would be appropriate for any dragon (at least, the ones like traditional dragons) to learn Glare. The fact that they don't is likely for balance.The myths surrounding dragons are likely based on evolutionary fear of snakes.
>>58496393Druddigon and Helioptile only learn glare if they genetically inherit it from a snake parent, gaining snake eyes.
>>58496508And Drampa getting it via level-up?
>>58496534Drampa is a Long, a very specific chinese serpent dragons. The only other pokemon that is this is Thundurus Therian, but it can't have glare because it would be able to have it in its Incarnate form which isn't a Long.
>>58496578Sounds like a lot of very specific excuses. I think it's more likely that Game Freak bends the rules on occasion because they don't really care THAT much.Same reason why Lilligant, Bellossom, and Oricorio get Quiver Dance.
>>58496586Dancing pokemon can learn most dances. Teeter, Quiver, Swords on Lilligant just convey that it can dance in a way that mimic the Butterfly dance. All 3 of those pokemon are explicitly denoted for their dancing abilities in lore and dex entries keeping consistent with the theme.
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>>58496622Explain the Firefly Glow being on Xurkitree and not Ampharos, then
>>58496694Firefly attractor light
>>58496343Yes, because the names pack a punch in English that the literal translations lack. No one fucking cares about the lore of Yoga Power because the series is full of gimmicks regardless - Medicham is a fighting type with an uncharacteristically shit attack stat that’s saved by its ability, this is understood as a concept without gay puns or references. JOPs need to be burned at the stake.
>>58492426It doesn't matter if Starmie gets Pure Power, Huge Power, or a reskin that does the exact same thing.It's a starfish that will kick your ass.
Big Pecks is still the best translated ability in the game.
>>58496694see>>58494204>>58496671She has no feathersShe has no fireLunar Dance can only be done by Cresselia has it is the "Crescent moon dance"She can learn Rain dance and Victory dance in her Hisuian form that is more nimble.Revelation dance is the "Awakened Dance" that is inspired purely of type by Oricorio dancing to its limits.the only one that is vexing is Dragon Dance, which seems to be exclusively for the biology of those are serpent or lizard-like with the sole exception of Crawdaunt. I can't find any Japanese folklore or myth that would justify a Crawfish having dragon dance at all, so I'm moreso stumped by that one.
post your katana OPwe know you have one
>>58496809Not a butterfly.If it can "dance like a butterfly," it can do the rest of those.
>>58492231Unironically. Should they retcon some of these? I'm unsure either way...They should have more foresight for franchise like Pokémon...
>>58492231I feel the exact same way OP. I've seen hummingbird and pancake fakemon given Sap Sipper without people realizing that it's just "Herbivorous".Frisk being "Unobstructed Sight" also makes more sense when you look at the Pokemon that get it. Psychic and Ghost types can use their powers to view items, Noibat and Noivern are bats who can detect it with echolocation, and Alolan Exeggutor is just really tall.Also, don't expect to see Surge Surfer given out to any other Pokemon any time soon unless they very specifically possess a "Surf Tail"...
>>58492231What is のろい in the English versions? Does it's gimmick make any sense to you?
>>58492231good thread
>>58492357>ちからもちthat's more simply and literally "power/strength-mochi"
>>58500894>He doesn't know about the Sea FirefliesYou probably don't know that Japanese consider Sea horses and Giraffes are types of dragons do you Westie.
>>58499584Should have been "Cursed Slow"
it's gonna be "Star power" and that's about it
>>58501327Girafarig should have Dragon Dance.
>>58493103Seirei means dragonfly (and like a million other things because Japanese is stupid)
>>58493103>>58501906Actually the common reading for 蜻蛉 is トンボ, せいれい is just a rare reading that sounds cool.
>>58496578>>58496586Do you don't know about the Chinese legend of a snake that lives for 10,000 years in the mountains that turns into a dragon? That is the reason why drampa has snake moves.
>>58503478Not Coil.
You retards agree animals with the rare trait of bioluminesence understandbly get Tail Glow. Marine animals like Manaphy. A sentient pile of christmas lights.So for the 1000th time...why the fuck doesn't the Ampharos line and Lanturn line already have Tail Glow? The actual answer is obviously balancing reasons. That's why the only mon that originally got the exclusive Swords Dance for Special Attack was a fucking 300 BST shitmon and no one else
>>58492231>Leech Life is name of move>Still no leech mon
>>58503683You say with but eelektross doesnt learn any elemental fang moves despite that being his whole deal
>>58503683>suck blood>uses fangs>bug type>no bug type bats
>>58500847Indeed. Just wait until English speakers read the Japanese Wiki for plates and learn Regignosis
>>58503728I always wondered why they removed this from Buzzswoles level up set after SM. Like its a giant fucking mosquito, of course it sucks blood. Why take that away from it when it sucked a snorlax skinny in the anime?
>>58495784>he doesn't want to get spooky and scary
>>58503778again, balancing reasonsthe literal mosquito whose biological function is literally leech life's concept, who is also the same type as leech life should always learn leech life by level upgamefreak routinely balances pokemon in later installments. They likely realized leech life's new BP of 80 made it way too good on a mon witb Buzzwole's stats and abilityThey also nerfed the 4 Ruin Pokemons' stats once the players showed them just how OP they all are
>>58503875but he still learns leech life from move tutor and TR, so it just seems weird that they didn't have any reason to remove it from his level up set.
>>58503875Why couldn't they give it the move later on?
>>58503683>suck blood>look inside>life energy being drained animation with no blood
>>58503478>>58503500>Onix is the "Rock Snake" Pokémon>Doesn't learn any snake moves
>>58503875The Treasures of Ruin, they got their stats nerf in the day 1 mandatory patch, the players never showed them just how OP they were because the players never had access to them with the higher stats.
