>>58493867we learned they can rotate on their axis and just casually hang around the city
>>58493867that Xerneas is the reason that alpha pokemon is in lumios city.and Yveltal can crawl on all fours
>>58493867I remember in XY that I hated how they didn't have their own "legendary" area in their games, like the "Forest of life" and the "Mountain of death" or some shit like that. And now in ZA they just did the same shit
>>58493867One gives, one takes
>>58493867It's funny that Zygarde's whole original purpose was to mantain balance between these two and suppress them if necessary, which is why it had Aura Break and Thousand Waves/Arrows. And then in the game where Zygarde is finally relevant, these two don't even show up in the plot. Like what was the point?
>>58494027You know what I hate? When fake fans like you complain about stuff that doesn't matter because you can't get over your nostalgia.
>>58494027>>58494100same person
>>58494083the writing of AZ was bulshit>Nothing interesting done with ZA>Nothing interesting done with Lysander>Nothing interesting done with Yveltal>Nothing interesting done with Xerneas>Nothing interesting done with the XY cast and important characters (remember those 2 XY heroes? well GameFreak doesn't)We literally didn't learn anything new about the lore with this Legends except that now the immortal ZA is sudendly not immortal but dead.
>>58494107not really, the person who replied me is just a retard
>>58494111wait I mixed AZ the character with ZA the title lmao
>>58494107What gave it away
>>58494111>>Nothing interesting done with LysanderHard disagree on this one. They confirmed the theory of him being trapped alive under the rubble after XY, he's cursed to wander the Earth just like AZ did, and we learned about his past when he was genuinely philanthropic helping kids like Corbeau.>>Nothing interesting done with the XY cast and important charactersYeah this bugs me. It would be bad if they just threw in all the gym leaders to say "remember Viola?" but Clemont and Bonnie absolutely should have appeared in a game centered around Prism Tower. Even if the theory about Clemont joining the Elite Four was true, that doesn't mean he couldn't appear.
>>58493867Yveltal even in cocoon form was basically fucking up Team Flare. Getting it was a significant more difficult compared to Xerneas. Xerneas can make fucking alphas with aura alone.
yveltal dragging itself around chasing you at high speeds is pants-shittingly terrifying
>>58494215>They confirmed the theory of him being trapped alive under the rubble after XY, he's cursed to wander the Earth just like AZ didThis confirms Pokemon X was the canon one right since in Y they all just died
>>58494332I think none is truly canon? Because Team Flare says in ZA that they caught both Xerneas and Yveltal, which doesn't happen in any of the games.
>>58494322You know what would be even more terrifying?If it flew at you.
>>58494322Looks like a Monster Hunter creature when he does that.
>>58494215Hopefully Clemont and Bonnie will appear in the DLC.
>>58494345idk, i'd at least expect that. i didn't expect the fucker to hump the ground trying to get me
>>58494322It looks goofy lol
>>58494111>>Nothing interesting done with Lysandert. didn't play the gameLysandre(and some Team Flare backstory) is the ONLY interesting thing we get in this game
>>58494083The problem is that the moment you put Xerneas and Yveltal in conflict there's no reason to not want Xerneas to outright win.
>>58494111Lysandre used to be my least favorite antagonist until Chairman Rose came around, but now I’d say he’s good. Better that Cyrus and the Gen 3 freaks.
>>58494403Xerneas can simply nurture an area too much that it suffers from overpopulation.
>>58494398I did play the game.Literally nothing was done with the character after its introduction. He was just there talking about "muh Zygard" this, "my lost memory" that, "AZ" this, "I will do better now" that. You play the game.That's not good character writing.
>>58494083I think Zygarde’s entire purpose got retconned all the way back in 2015/2016 whenever his arc started in the Anime. In fact, and the game backs up what I’m about to say, I don’t believe Zygarde is really even a Kalos legend anymore (Character says Kalos has two legendary pokemon and not three). He’s now just a worldwide legend, which is backed by him being in Alola and Nihil Light is heavily implied to be based on Z-Moves from that region (Lysandre basically says it).
>>58494403Xerneas can make you immortal* and that is bad!*Not really lol
>>58494481I think getting 3000 years instead of immortality is a buff since if I lived even 200 years I’d probably just want to die at that point anyway since it’d be boring.
>>58494503I doubt it would be boring. No one wants to die (if not suffering) once they reach their 80s in good health, so if you doubled that age then the will to live should be the same.
>>58494431The overpopulation thing is kind of overblown because Xerneas can do things like grow entire forests by itself so it can also mantain an ecosystem and generate huge resources for a population to use. Like, Xerneas is depicted as this gentle nurturer of life, reviver of the dead and granter of eternal life. Meanwhile Yveltal is a flying murderhobo at best and the living apocalypse at worst.
>>58494523Yveltal keeps the degenerate Xerneas in check. If not for the death bird, Xerneas would overpopulate Lumiose with more insane alpha lions everywhere.
>>58494523The population and ecosystem wouldn’t exist in a bubble though. It impacts others around them especially if it’s by human settlements. Even with all of its power it can’t make more room for them to thrive. It’s also one Pokemon that can’t possible survey everything on its own
>>58494542If Yveltal keeps Xerneas in check by actual discriminatory killing of overpopulated areas, and Xerneas keeps Yveltal in check by making sure Yveltal doesn't go too far, why does Zygarde have to exist? It seems the only real solution then is to make Xerneas and Yveltal perpetually incompetent and unable to do their jobs well and that's kind of lame.
>>58494610Zygarde shows up if the balance between the two is disturbed. In the teraleak it suggests that Zygarde hunts down one of them if they become too powerful, and in the anime we do see a flashback where Zygarde protects them in their dormant states where they’re capable of being killed for good.
>>58493867We learned Yvetal walks around on its wing claws like Tigrex from monster hunter.
>>58494642I think a Tigrex would murder a Yveltal any day of the week even though it’s the incarnation of death and all that. Especially a Brute Tigrex or whatever that deviant was in GU.
>>58494657Pokemon aren’t very strong. Even the “gods of time and space” (which isn’t what they actually are, according to Masuda) lose to a young teen dodge rolling, a wild cow, a baby punching them, and another baby punching them, across different mediums of their appearances.
>>58494083Complete Zygarde should’ve had aura break as its only ability
>>58493867>>58494017>and Yveltal can crawl on all fours
>>58494711>which isn’t what they actually are, according to MasudaCorrect. They are time and space made manifested in their countless shells called Dialga and Palkia.
>>58494332They state Flare used both legend in tandem, so i think the canon is that "Yveltal takes the Life energy and then Xerneas is used to give it out" for the weapon functionwise. Since both were dormant.Basically "Non-existent Z Version is canon"
>>58494403My personal take is that the Xerneas equivalent is constant, unceasing mutation. It’s implied that Pokémon evolve to achieve perfection, and Xerneas is capable of making Pokémon evolve or mega evolve.Imagine if you had Super Cancer and it’s just constantly changing and morphing to the environment.
>>58494460Yes, it is not good character writing indeedIt is decent character writing for Game Freak standards tho
Teraleaks showed that when Z was being planned that Zygarde's different forms were meant to be specific forms it'd take to combat Xerneas or Yveltal specifically.
>>58494523Xerneas and Yveltal were the ones that regulates the population of any given species while Zygarde kept them in line.
>>58494403>t. SisyphusAnyone with a understanding of the natural order knows why immortality is inherently wrong.Pirates of the Caribbean.Gaslight DistrictThe Soldier and Death.Living forever is a curse to not just to the individuals but the world itself as the land starves of nutrition.Especially when the immortal life one is cursed to live in is an agonizing one bereft of any comforts or pleasure. That is literally the definition of the Christian Hell.AZ and Lysandre are both visibly fucked by the pain of their immortality. A body that can't autophage its senescent cells would be agonizing. And given that Pokemon become rogue megas from the same energy, which are expressly berserk from the constant excruciating pain, it's not hard to imagine the situation for a pokemon would be even worse.If anything, I'm surprised at how well Floette is handling its situation. I'm guessing it used so much to just come back to life that it's not painfully overcharged.
>>58494783Toxic OP.
>>58494027Why would you be mad at XY specifically for not doing something that I think only johto and emerald did?
>>58494992>Anyone with a understanding of the natural order knows why immortality is inherently wrongcuck
>>58495033I think anon means more Lorewise Habitat/Nest rather then specifically being the "Encounter Area".RBY has Cerulrean Cave and the mansion. GSC has Towers.RSE has the CaveDPPt has the Spear Pillar, Turnback Lake and Distortion world.BW(2) has has Dragon Spiral and the Cave that specifically loredumps that Kyurem is a local wifestale.XY just has them i the generator room with less info about where they were aquired. They just exist.
>>58494017>>58494783So it's supposed to be more bat-like than bird-like?
>>58494841Mega evolution emerged from the firing of the Ultimate Weapon by AZ in the past. The rouge ME pokémon in L: Z-A were as a result of Ange, (the tower, an energy absorption unit and conduit) being overloaded by Lysandre's firing of the Ultimate Weapon, causing it to supercharge Lumiose with energy, which caused the emergence of new Mega stones and crystallised chunks of Mega Energy to form also. Xerneas' presence at the end of the game was a threat, due to it being able to continue to douse the area in Life energy, drawing still more wild pokémon to the city. It wasn't causing pokémon to ME, it was drawn to the city as a result of the energy disruption around the place in entirety.
>>58495046They're really saying this shit in a series where there's are several immortals in this series.
>>58494412Bas->Better that CyrusOh no, you're retarded.
>>58494027That sounds peak as fuck
>>58495201Yeah, and fucking look at them.
>>58494841cancer is literally cells that refuse to die despite being too damaged to function properly.Super Cancer is exactly the right term.
>>58494630This sounds awesome. ZA and this lore has really made me like Zygarde now
>>58493867Xerneas is majestic as fuck
>>58495239>boomers are literally cancer at a societal level, too old to work generating real productivity, but still parasitically leeching away all economic growth from the rest of the "body" with rentseeking.
>>58494841so Xerneas is Tzeentch?
>>58494783
>>58495449Probably more like Emrakul.Or the Genesis device from Stark Trek since it can also raise the dead, but like if it never turned off once it's done.
>>58494398>Lysandre(and some Team Flare backstory) is the ONLY interesting thing we get in this game>Team Flare Backstory>Exactly the same backstory as we got for them in XY>Also there was a second weapon but we couldn't use it lol>A couple of kids made Neo Team Flare, which amounted to nothing because they dump this on you randomly at the tail end of the game
>>58494111>interesting done with the XY cast and important charactersB-b-bu-buh-butt remember dat guy who danced all the time that everyone hates?!? He got laid!!!
>>58496120>He got laid!!! ?
>>58494610>why does Zygarde have to exist? It seems the only real solution then is to make Xerneas and Yveltal perpetually incompetent and unable to do their jobs well and that's kind of lameHe gets to choose which one gets enough fun for the to be just the right amount of life and death. He lays down the law. That's why his mega is literally a judge's gavel.
>>58494111You're just too stupid to appreciate the fantastic writing and plot of ZA
>>58495068Even better than that, Mewtwo in XY has his own unique encounter cave too, but the actual regional box legendaries get nothing.
>>58494797Nope. Masuda’s explanation in the leaks is that they’re just stronger pokemon that people made myths about, due to their signature moves. Cynthia says as much in Platinum’s postgame, too. Your headcanon is irrelevant.
>>58494100> "FaKE fANs"Oh so we are already at this stage of franchise rot? When brainwashed cultists are attempting to shame people into liking modern, shitty Pokemon by calling them "not real fans"?If being a real Pokemon fan is being a brainless sucker, then so be it!
>>58494215>They confirmed the theory of him being trapped alive under the rubble after XY, he's cursed to wander the Earth just like AZ didThat's not interesting at all.>>58494479>Lysandre basically says itWhere?
>>58498694You're very generous calling that cave "unique".
>>58499063We've been at that stage for a long time
>>58493867Kek no
>>58496159> He lays down the law. That's why his mega is literally a judge's gavel.Interesting to note that Zygarde GX's card has a move called "Verdict" to support this theme and this was made way back in 2018.
>>58499457>Where?Post-gamePlay the fucking game
>>58499041and then they're shown controlling time and space in every other instance so what matsuda wrote 2 decades ago is irrelevant
If you were in charge of the games, how would you have done them in XY and/or ZA?
>>58500169The player is tricked into fighting them as an uncatchable boss fight, wherein Team Flare can swoop in right after to steal it from you.
>>58494027They were captured to be fair, but the rest game sadly feels a bit hallow.>>58493867They're lovers.
>>58494341Z-A takes place after Pokemon Z, which never got released is the only logical justification
>>58493867That Calem/Serena canonically didn’t catch them
>>58494657A single Tigrex would solo all of pokemon by just screaming really loud. Yes including all of the electric types
>>58500564Most protagonists don't canonically catch their legendaries, only confirmed in BW, SwSh and SVAlso PLA, but the protagonist there is dead by the time all the other games happen, so it doesn't matter for them
>>58500564Yes they did, catching them is mandatory to progress in XY.
>>58496120So Lida is 5 years old...? Are you stupid?
>>58496130Yes, and you''re the mommy!
>>58494083>>58494479Zygarde can have shit to do without Xerneas and Yveltal just like Rayquaza can have shit without Groudon and Kyogre
>>58498682kys
>>58500690Clearly not, since they're out and about for Z-ABut Z-A seems to be running on the idea of taking place after an unseen combination of XY (Pokemon Z), and so it doesn't appear your Gen 6 character caught them in canon
>>58500720>>58500690none of the Gen 6 games are truly canon. Team Flare says in ZA that they caught both Xerneas and Yveltal, which doesn't happen in any of the games.Pokémon Z is the canon universe which was never released.
>>58500720They could have just released them. I don't assume MCs keep the legendary Pokemon they caught forever.Just like the Alola MCs didn't keep Zygarde.
>>58494027Or a new theme song. Just Reused music.Not to mention, one of the X Y games had to have happened, so team flare only had one of them, so both being in Lumios City makes no sense apart of it being a video game.
>>58500705But enough about you
>>58500740Or y'know, a fucking retcon because both games were rushed out
>>58495260Always was.
>>58499737Since gen 3 really.
>>58499770Damn wtf, I was literally making shit up last night while stoned out my mind. That's hilarious.
>>58494111>Being back Lysandre >He has amnesia as an excuse to completely change his personality without actually having to write change
>>58499783Cool, so why can't I control spacetime with Dialga and Palkia to force Spacetime Distortions to appear on command in Legends: Arceus, or use their powers to send myself back home instead of being trapped in Hisui forever?
>>58494017>that Xerneas is the reason that alpha pokemon is in lumios cityreally?
>>58500169Too much to list. X and Y didn't just need a rerelease, but a straight up remake. ZA is a good start, but that's all it is.
>>58502445No, it doesn't show up until post-game and the story leading into the encounter pegs the pair of them only being drawn to Lumiose as a result of the events with the tower.
>>58500754Same with Hisuan Palkia and Dialga, none of the legendaries stay captured.
>>58502445Not exactly. The most that's said about Xerneas' relation to Alphas comes from its questline, where its life energy is speculated to be responsible for three specific alphas, deemed "anomalous alphas", showing up in Wild Zones the species normally doesn't inhabit.The nature of Alpha Pokemon in general existing in LZA is a mystery, just like in Arceus, but it's likely that they'll turn into "former Alphas" yet again when transferred into Gen 10, like how Arceus Alphas became "former Alphas" in SV.
>>58502350Because it video gaem.
>>58493867I like to assume that the two only monitor the Pokémon Global Population while Humanity continues to flourish; which leads the Lysandre to came to the conclusion that man will overwhelm the planet and destroys it. He wanted to use the Ultimate weapon (along with Ange, if possible) to keep humanity's population in check.
>Legends game>there is no legend to explore or learn about
>>58502595You learn why Giratina decided to thwart Cyrus's plans in Platinum instead of going along with his "USURP GOD AND CREATE A NEW WORLD" ambitions, despite the fact it's known as the "Renegade Pokemon" and was banished for its unruly behavior.
>>58502638This is a thread about ZA, moron.
>>58493867Didn't the leak said they wanted to give them new lore or forms if they remake X and Y?
>>58493867Just that Toxic destroys them
>>58496120Lida is implied to be his sister, not his daughter
>>58494657>overhyping and downplayingSpoken like a true powerscaler.
>>58503840It's a 5-year gap between XY and this game, it would be impossible for her to be his daughter.
>>58502045so none of the Gen 6 games are truly canon. Team Flare says in ZA that they caught both Xerneas and Yveltal, which doesn't happen in any of the games.Pokémon Z is the canon universe which was never released.
>>58503727I think that one was fake
Instead of doing yet another trio where it's really two mons and their tard wrangler/superior they should've made Zygarde an equal third to the other two
>>58499776He doesn't though.
>>58505011>the canon universe which was never releasedThings you can only read on the pokemon fanbase.
