Can a good ability save mega pyroar or is it doomed to be the worst mega evolution?
>>58499112She gets Desolate Land
>>58499112maybe it'll get fur coat and become s tier (in pu)
>>58499112my fucking god what are those stats
>>58499112it's sad that 120s in an attack stat and speed are shit nowadays
>>58499142it's pretty bad if it has to sacrifice its item slot to get to those stats
>>58499145yes how sad to have a higher BST than a pseudolegendary
>>58499136+20 in every stat was the best GF's game designers could come up with after 12 years since megas originally debutedPrease undastand>>58499167High BST does not mean SHIT if it's not distributed well or on a mon without good abilities/movepools.On top of meh stat distribution, this takes up an item slot and your team's opportunity to use a mega pokemon; when there's plenty of existing fire and normal types that benefit much more from mega evolving than just a +20 to every stat on a mon with a mediocre stat spread in the first placeAlso even by mega standards, 607 isn't anything to brag aboutMeanwhile pseudo legendaries have high stats (and often actually specialized so they can do at least a few things well) without needing to hold a specific item or take up your team's mega slot, and also at least a few of them have more than one viable ability option
>>58499112It's gonna need speed boost and nasty plot lmao.Also a redesign.
>>>normal typingWho cares
>>58499112If it gets Drought or Fur Coat it might be passableOtherwise yeah it’s a complete shitmon
>>58499112>Worst mega evolution when this abomination of a stat spread exists At least Mega Pyroar’s stats would be solid on a non-mega
>>58499698>contrary + close combatit'll be alright
>>58499112No, they forced it to be 100% male in despite of female Pyroars, so a shit designed mega should have shit designed stats, Male Pyroars are ugly as shit, whoever greenlighted this shit is shit
>>58499380Fur coat is mostly useless, most supereffective attacks aren't even contact (eq, rock slide) or straight up special (muddy water, hydro pump). Not to mention that it cannot even employ the bulk to its fullest as work up is its only setup move
>>58499767what is skibidi blud wafflin about
>>58499771You're thinking of Fluffy, which is a worse version of Fur Coat as it only applies to contact moves and adds a fire weaknessFur coat is just a simple defense doubling, no strings attached
>>58499829Mega Shitroar is some Tansmale shit, when you Mega a Female Pyroar she turns into this piece of shit
>>58499698Why is it's highest stat special defence the fuck
>>58499765>headcanon
The only real flaw with those stats is not being strong enough, as long as it gets kind of damage boosting ability I think it has potential.
>>58499908Special = Intelligence
>>58499884>inane ESL babble
>>58499765Wouldn't Superpower be better with Contrary anyways?
>>58499112It gets defeatist, it represents how gamefreak wanted to axe megas but couldn't and had to bend the knee to the fanbase. That's also why is looks so bad, malicious compliance.
>>58499765Might as well just say Cosmic Power makes mons broken for how little damage those CC's will be doing.
>>58500306If they wanted to axe mega evolution, just write pedo trash fics about it so Twatter launches a worldwide cancel campaign about it so they have the perfect excuse to never include it again, it’s what Game Freak did last time they wanted to sabotage something. Or they can just…not make megas anymore. What are pokepiggies going to do, NOT buy it anyway?
>>58499112Should have became Mono Fire so the Normal type is just there to switch in on ghosts and then remove it
>yfw it keeps Moxie
>>58499765It’s literally just Assault Vest Malamar that eats your megaslot
>>58500624mfers ain't ready for when it keeps Rivalry.
>>58499765A. Kind of dishonest to claim Mega Malamar will be fine with Contrary but say Pyroar will be the worst without seeing its ability first. How do you know Pyroar doesn’t get a strong ability?B. There is a PetMod on showdowm where you can use the Megas with new abilities and the ZA Dex in an OU powerlevel.Mega Malamar with regular Contrary was so ass that they had to give Mega Malamar Simple + Contrary, and its only success was someone clicking Defog by mistake and giving Mega Malamar +2 Evasion.
>>58499112>129 SpA>126 Spe>86/92/86 bulkThat doesn't seem bad to me at all
>>58499908Assuming it keeps Contrary, a very high Special Defense is good because it can't be boosted. Malamar always used a special defensive set. The problem is that those 20 points in Special Attacks should go to Attack, Defense, or Speed.
>>58500597That would nerf it. It would lose an immunity and STAB on its normal moves.
>>58500902It's not bad. The problem is it's also not good. This is a mega. You're only putting one or two on your team so the opportunity cost is very high.
>>58499379>immunity to Astral BarrageCalyrex is going to be quaking in fear :^)
>>58500902It's unremarkable for a mega. Mega Delphox for instance is way better just based on stats. If Pyroar doesn't get a good ability to compensate, it's Mega Audino tier fucked.
>>58499112Way to similar to Mega Houndoom
>>58499698how do you design something like this and then design the mega kalos starters? I know people say minmaxing everything is boring but I’d rather be boring than useless
>>58501172The Kalos Megas are FOMO PVP rewards, so obviously they need to be really good. Everything else that's new that can overlap in some way with the Kalos starter types needs to be of bad quality to compensate (ergo, Pyroar is shit because Delphox is a Fire Type, and Malamar is shit because Delphox is a Psychic Type and Greninja is a Dark Type).
>>58501215Wow, fantastic. So I guess now if you want a guaranteed good Pokemon you have to hope it’s paywalled. Great
>>58500902In terms of improving the base form, Pyroar is unironically one of the better Megas.It’s only issue statwise is that +20 Atk not being distributed to its other stats.139 SpA and 136 Spe would be fantastic. You outspeed the 135s and hit a bit stronger too.
>>58499884>all the other megas do it>pyroar is bad because....it just is, ok?
>>58500896Even if Malamar doesn't get contrary, it will have it in its base form and can use it to set up before mega evolving.Pyroar's abilities baseline are already bad, so there's zero precedence for it getting a good ability upon mega evolving. Not saying it won't, but unlike Malamar there isn't any reason to think it'll get an ability as good as Contrary.
>>58501333fluffy
>>58499112Its not going worse than Mega Audino, so you can relax about "being the worst".
>>58501333>Even if Malamar doesn't get contrary, it will have it in its base form and can use it to set up before mega evolving.It can’t set up because it has an awful defensive profile and is incredibly slow.THAT is why even Mega Malamar with Contrary is terrible. The only way you’re ever setting up with Malamar is if your opponent is genuinely braindead and for what ever reason gives you multiple turns for free, which if your opponent does give you multiple free turns, you win anyways with majority of set up Pokemon.
>>58501388You're assuming it'll get Fluffy, and Fluffy wouldn't save it anyway.>>58501594It's fine with speed control and can potentially start busting open more defensive teams. It's not that good but it can do something at least, which is more than you can say of Mega Pyroar without some absurd fan fiction ability (drought is popular but, like, why would you use this goober as your drought mon over Mega Charizard?)That said, everyone is hanging on it getting contrary when the really funny meme would be Prankster Topsy-Turvy
>>58501669Post elo
>>58499112>Giant fire symbol>Not getting DroughtAnon... you're better than this...
>>58500902The problem is it giving up an item slot in order to achieve that.Earth Power is a more substantial addition to Pyroar.
>>58499112Give it an ability that works like Throat Spray every time it uses a sound based move, keep it with Hyper Voice cause Boomburst would push it to brokenness
>>58499112Depends on how good, but yes.Reminder that these are the stats of a mon who was banned to Ubers and dominated VGC until Mega Rayquaza was allowed.
>>58499112It should get a special version of Orichalcum pulse.
>>58500902Anon this isn't gen IV anymore
>>58499136>>58499112
>>58499112The tent implies Fluffy or Fur coat
>>58499136It's literally just +20 to every stat.At least GF had the decency to be personal with Malamar's humiliation ritual.They didn't even try with Pyroar.
If it was Ledian then people would people go out of their way to suggest the most insane overhaul they can think of.I guess Mega Pyroar is going to be one of those Pokemon that are never buffed in ROM hacks that get dicksucked by Leddit for """buffing weak Pokemon""".
>>58506077That's because it doesn't need any massive buffs. Just a new ability and a few new moves would go a long way. Give it Nasty Plot or even Swords Dance, and you're good. Just let the player catch Litleo early.
>>58501293Because Pyroar is one of the few Pokemon to have a very visible gender difference, they could have kept that with the mega to make it a little bit more unique and maybe we could have got one Mega-Pyroar design that wasn't complete shit.
>>58499698Speaking of shitty spread, does picrel have anything to take advantage of its boosted sp attack?
>>58506296>shittyIf you think mega dnite is bad, you have been grossly misinformed. It's movepool is ridiculous, it can easily run a mixed set due to high power special moves and DD setup potential, it can make great use of the bulk, and it's a nightmare for the opponent to predict the set. If they give it a top tier ability, he's going to be running the game.
>>58506296>does picrel have anything to take advantage of its boosted sp attack?Are you retarded? Dragonite has had insane special options since Gen 1 (even though it mainly relied on wrap). Mega Nite is going to be OU easily
>>58506387>>58506421ANON, NO THE HOOKS!!!
>>58506296Dragonite has had a better special movepool than physical movepool for the entire series.
Does starmie have good physical moves
>>58501110>immunity to ghost lostnot the end of the world>STAB on normal movesoh no, a type that's super effective against nothing and can't affect ghosts
>>58500896The only thing that can save m-pyroar is if it gets drought
>>58506521Ghost is one of the best STAB types in the game, and immunity to it is absolutely worth the Fighting weakness. Do you niggers not play competitive?
>>58506545Any ability with decent damage output could save Mega Pyroar.Only something like Wonder Guard can save Malamar.
I honestly think only thing can save pyroar is getting parting shot, calm mind, nasty plot, so it will be a set up mon
>>58506514Aqua Jet, Flip Turn, Zenith Headbutt, and Liquidation. Its "good enough", but it doesnt really have much else. It'll probably get more physical options in gen 10 though.
>>58506561>Do you niggers not play competitive?Do you? Normal is considered one of the worst type competitively since it's bad offensively (super effective on nothing, resisted by 2 type including steel the best defensive type and ghost is immune to it) and defensively it gives you a ghost immunity sure,but it's also give you a weakness to a very common coverage type. Also Dark is better to deal with ghost since you can hit them back super effectively.
>>58499112what if It gets adaptability and boom burst? Fire/normal Is pretty good typing for it
or give it tough claws or strong jaw and set up moves
>>58506591There is literally no reason to play it over mega delphox as it is. It needs an ability significantly better what delphox will get to be played. >>58506623>>58506561Normal is good because and only because of the immunity to calydow.
>>58506296there's no way this thing isn't getting its ass catapulted to ubers week 1 of champions drop
>>58499112Drought could actually save it in Singles. It's sp atk is a significant drop compared to Zard Y but the positives would outweigh that. >higher speed>stronger more reliable secondary STABMost importantly doesn't lose half it's health to the rocks.
>>58506800>singlesIrrelevant meme format.
>>58499112Wow... maybe Smogon was right to create separate tiers where lower power level Pokemon can compete on an even playing field... woah...
>>58499167If Gen 4 Garchomp couldn't hold an item it wouldn't have been banned.
>>58506296>STAB Hurricane >Thunder>Hydro Pump/SurfMega Dnite is the perfect Rain abuser that isn’t a Water type
>>58506864They were not.
>>58506421Mega DNite is going to be OU by technicality just like Mega Chomp
>>58506880Smogon was always right
>>58506760oh good it's immune to a mon banned from the vast majority of formats>>58506864I'm not gonna be surprised it it ends up like Garchomp where its mega form is only in its base form's tier by technicality since there's not any reasons to use it often enough over base Pyroar, either because the base form is actually better and/or because other megas in the tier are more useful
>>58506896I could see Mega Pyroar in NU while regular Pyroar is in PU. 126 speed is HUGE in NU. It'd be outrunning Kilowattrel, Raikou, Ribombee, Inteleon, and Tornadus, with the only thing that can revenge kill it being Barraskewda.
>>58505458Kek
Mega Pyroar's ability will be Pack Bond and summon 4 F pyroar to the field making all his attacks hit 5 times.
These are my predictions. I think Powercreep has progressed far enough that Metagross, Kangaskhan, and Lucario will drop to OU, at least for a bit. Them dropping will make Mega-Lopunny a niche mega pick, especially since it lost Return and Double Edge.Of course, these all depend on the abilities. Mega Skarmory might be an OU level threat if it gets something amazing.
>>58506896>oh good it's immune to a mon banned from the vast majority of formatsIt's also one of only 2 types that resists Flutter Mane's STABs. Normal/Fire and Normal/Poison are your only options, and Flutter Mane also has Fire type coverage. Pyroar resists all 3.
>>58499112It is absolutely not the worst Mega Evolution even without an Ability right now. Audino, Glalie and Malamar are all worse.If it gets Intimidate, it's as good as Mega Manectric. Slightly lower special attack and speed in exchange for more bulk, and it has a higher BST overall.
>>58506296It has Multiscale before it Mega Evolves, and now you don't immediately know whether to expect a physical or special set, and there's a relatively good chance it could be running a mixed set (Dragon Dance/Extreme Speed/Draco Meteor). We also don't know what the Mega's ability actually is, but changing from Multiscale or Inner Focus after the first turn (when they've likely fulfilled their use) to Nearly Any Other Ability is always going to be fucking good.
>>58507269Smogon gave it Soul Heart and it ended up in UUBL.
>>58506623Just HAVING an immunity is a good thing retard, you have increased your opportunities to switch in and only barely increased the number of things that can threaten you. Fire/Dark is better? Maybe sure, but mono-Fire would be worse, because HAVING a second STAB and HAVING an extra opportunity to switch in is better than not. I mean seriously, you're only complaining about being weak to fighting coverage... you are going to scout it out ahead of time anyway lmao
>>58506853>Irrelevanthundreds of times more players than VGC
>>58507820this OM is really dumb, it's just going off random vibes. Yeah we all agree Mega Starmie is probably gonna get Pure Power but there's barely ANY other megas that have anywhere near that level of certainty for their abilities. It's dumb. When people joke about smogon being a fanfic meta, this one actually just straight-up is one.
>>58508707Well yeah, but it's supposed to be fun more than anything.
>>58506979Move Metagross and Starmie to Ubers. Metagross gets Heavy Slam, Psychic Fangs, and Knock Off, and Starmie in Rain is extremely hard to counter.
>>58506979>Dragonite>Starmie>Delphox>Chesnaught>that lowyou don't play the game
>>58509277Dragonite is gonna be good in a vacuum and then people realize they can just use Extreme Speed sets with items and another Mega.
>>58509308It would be a rain mainstay if Swampert didn't exist.
>>58509308the ability to run both mega and non-mega sets INCREASES the viability of the mega, not decreases it. Feigning a physical dragonite by using espeed and then megaing on a switch-in and using draco meteor is a terrifying prospect.
>>58509426It increases the viability of both sets due to that surprise factor, which even things out and still makes physical sets better
>>58509261>Move Metagross and Starmie to Ubers252 SpA Darkrai Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Metagross-Mega: 248-294 (82.3 - 97.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO252 SpA Choice Specs Darkrai Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Metagross-Mega: 300-354 (99.6 - 117.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKOUnfortunately for Metagross, 110 speed isn't fast anymore. It's barely above average.
>>58509277>DragoniteGood, but there are better megas when it's barely an improvement on regular Dragonite. More of a sidegrade that makes it more unpredictable. Basically the Mewtwo X of OU.>StarmieIf it doesn't get any moveset improvements, it's going to be good but overshadowed by Mega-Swampert on Rain teams. This is assuming it gets Pure Power and not Hustle.>DelphoxEven assuming it gets Levitate, it's outclassed. Basically a worse Mega-Alakazam in every regard, and on a Pokemon that's weak to Stealth Rocks instead of immune to them in a meta where Gholdengo prevents hazard removal.>ChesnaughtWe don't know what its ability will be. If it has something decent, it could easily be UU, but it's in heavy competition for a Mega slot as is.
>>58509622>If it doesn't get any moveset improvementsIt gets Bulk Up, Aqua Jet, Flip Turn, Liquidation, and Zen Headbutt now.Its special movepool has always been perfect.
>>58509622Gotta love when people type a whole bunch of bullshit only to be wrong.
>>58509622Pray tell, what movepool improvement do you think Dragonite needs and can realistically get?
>>58506979>Chesnaught that fucking lowbait
>>58509718Getting Coil from Dragonair.
>>58509718Dragonite already has a godlike movepool. It doesn't need a better one. The issues MNite has is that it changes its role from a bulky setup sweeper physical attacker into a hard hitting special attacker and that it doesn't have an item. Megas that switch from physical/special have an issue where you can't really build around both of its forms because of 4MSS. That's why ZardX doesn't use any special attacks. Mixed MNite will be universally worse than DDance DNite and regular MNite, and only really useful as a surprise tech option on ladder.
>>58509719>Can barely hurt Ghost types>Gengar hardcounters it and is in RU>Gets bullied by Fezandipiti, Sinistcha, and Skeledirge in UUArmarouge, Noivern, and Gardevoir will also keep it in check in RU.It'd need a good ability to make it out of RU.
>>58499349Yup, "oh no, here comes Shuckle!"LOL
>>58509779Don't fuckle with shuckle.
>>58509762>I don't understand how tiers work
>>58509800Bars so long you don't realize they're that high at first, until you look closer.
>>58509762>immune to Shadow Ball>immune to Sludge Bomb>immune to Focus Blast>"Gengar hardcounters it"
>>58509738>Mixed MNite will be universally worse than DDance DNite and regular MNiteI don't know, I could see 3 Special Attacks + Extreme Speed becoming the main MNite set.
>>58499167Mega Mawile had a BST of 480 but thanks to a godlike ability and one of the best type combos, it became one of the best megas and pokemon introduced in Gen 6.
>>58509830>he thinks gengar is using sludge bomb and not sludge wavenot to mention gengar resists grass and is immune to fighting, so the best chestnaught can do to it is knock off which gengar barely cares about because it often runs an air balloon
>>58509830You're assuming it's keeping Bulletproof. Also, Sludge Wave nearly OHKOs it.
>>58507820Soul-Heart is such a stupid placeholder. You'd be better off giving it something inconsequential for testing purposes, instead of one of the most retardedly good abilities in the game.
>>58506979Meganium and Falinks absolutely cannot be PU. Mega Falinks has 135 attack, 135 defense, 100 speed and No Retreat, it will be incredibly easy for him to come in on something that lets him set up (which takes precisely one turn for him to do) and after that he wins the game in any low tier.
>>58505629Malamar's getting some kinda busted ability, the design is too intricate to just waste it and it doing a 180 from a shitmon to an Incineroar-tier threat would be very in character for it. Pyroar is literally nothing more than an earlygame fodder mega with a "it gets bigger (fire blast kanji)" meme and +20 across the board.
>>58509973>>he thinks gengar is using sludge bomb and not sludge waveIt uses both, dumbassio.>not to mention gengar resists grass and is immune to fighting,damn bro I forgot we're in your fanfic world where Chesnaught magically can't use Leech Seed or EQ and Gengar is magically able to survive a Knock Off coming off 137 base attack>>58509985>no you don't get it I HAVE to mega right away even though team preview exists!you don't play the game
>>58510030>damn bro I forgot we're in your fanfic world where Chesnaught magically can't use Leech Seed or EQhow do you propose a pokemon with 64 base speed uses earthquake or leech seed on a pokemon with 100 base speed which may be holding a choice scarf>Gengar is magically able to survive a Knock Off coming off 137 base attackif by magic you mean will-o-wisp and a colbur berry, yes
>>58510030>no you don't get it I HAVE to mega right away even though team preview exists!I never even implied this. Plus, Gengar OHKOs regular Chesnaught with Sludge Wave>252 SpA Gengar Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Chesnaught: 392-464 (103.1 - 122.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>>58510017Unless Meganium gets Triage, it's not leaving PU. Falinks is iffy, since it gets hard countered by Qwilfish, one of the best meta threats in the tier. No Retreat is one of the worst boosting moves and makes it a sitting duck for Intimidate to ruin it. Qwilfish also gets to Toxic it while taking little damage from it. 252 Atk Falinks-Mega Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Qwilfish: 81-96 (24.2 - 28.7%) -- 99.2% chance to 4HKOQwilfish can just Toxic and Pain Split until Falinks goes down. It's actually sickening. Even if it starts packing Zen Headbutt, Qwilfish can still dance around it pretty easily, making it weaker every time Qwilfish gets Intimidate off. >252 Atk Falinks-Mega Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Qwilfish: 146-172 (43.7 - 51.4%) -- 8.2% chance to 2HKOIt also has a poor match up against a lot of the best Pokemon in PU. There's nothing it can do about Burn so the Fire types are very scary, especially Rotom-H, and Mudsdale can beat it thanks to Stamina. Cramorant has a good matchup into it too, threatening Paralysis with Gulp Missile.
>>58510183Forgot my pic. PU is incredibly stacked in Gen 9. Gen 9 PU is on the same level of power as Gen 6 UU. Assuming the megas come back with Gen 10, PU is going to be even more powerful.
>>58510076>how do you propose a pokemon with 64 base speed uses earthquake or leech seed on a pokemon with 100 base speed which may be holding a choice scarfDo you understand how switching works? Play the game for once in your life.>if by magic you mean will-o-wisp and a colbur berry, yesGengar still dies to a second Knock Off even with both those things. Nice """hard counter""".>>58510143>I never even implied thisYes you did.
>>58510238Gengar is also much faster and 2HKOs Mega Chesnaught with Sludge Wave in all scenarios. Surviving a Knock Off means that it WILL KO Chesnaught.
>>58509762>252 Atk Barraskewda Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Chien-Pao: 604-712 (200.6 - 236.5%) -- guaranteed OHKObros why hasn't Smogshit sent Chien-Pao down to PU yet? An NU Pokemon hard counters it.
>>58510281Because Barraskewda dies to ONE Sucker Punch. Doesn't even need Band or SD to OHKO the fish.>252 Atk Life Orb Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Barraskewda: 281-331 (106.8 - 125.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>>58510281Barraskewda is a temporarily embarrassed OU Pokemon. The only thing holding it back is Ogerpon-W. If Archaludon were allowed back in the tier, Barraskewda would be true blue OU.
