>78>78>78>78>78>78Say "thank you, based Jim!"
been that way since gold and silver
Even though this guy went insane and trooned out, he has some good takes sometimes.
>>58500944I get her gimmick is being extremely abrasive and stuff, and that she does use the full scale unlike most modern reviewers, this game isn't *that* bad at all. At absolute worst, using the full scale, it's a 6.5. For me I'd say an 8. Reading her review the criticisms aren't entirely off base. But the score doesn't correlate imo
>>58500944If you took out the branding and populated it with generic creatures instead of marketable pocket monsters Palworldfags and Digitroons would worship the ground it walks on and call it the new pokemon killer.
>>58501001>For me I'd say an 8please seek help
>58501001>her
>>58500944PLZA is literally just Little Town Hero with Pokemon branding smeared on it.
>>58501001Jim has already said he will keep putting the price tag as an important factor when reviewing Nintendo games if they want to charge premium prices, so that is likely why it got a 4 instead of a 6.Besides, honestly, I can't disagree with 4 too hard when I think it's a 5 at best.
>>58500944Fair. The story alone justifies this score. It’s a decent core experience and a decent map with an absolutely terrible frustrating narrative layered over the top.Maybe if the ZA Royale and the main plot were separated, making people like Ivor into random fights instead of pseudo gym leaders.
>>58500944I don't watch them much anymore, but I'm glad to hear they still have based opinions
>>58500944I specifically remember this fatass liking PLA and saying its the best Pokemon game ever or some shit.
>>58501032So he's literally even more right than he thinks?
>>58500944>On steamYepPC trannies going to troon
>>58501040Price is fair since at the end of the day we're not all rich and only have so much money. And Nintendo games rarely drop in price much, so I get that to be fair. If thats what coloured her logic in making it so low then fair enough. I get she reviews stuff in a different, more opinionated manner
>>58501053Yes, that's what I mean.PLZA is mediocre shovelware game that is only considered as passable because of branding and Pokemon fans being branwashed retards.
>>58501053>11 niggas Jesus fucking Christ on a trampoline.
>>58501040>Jim has already said he will keep putting the price tag as an important factor when reviewing Nintendo games if they want to charge premium pricesWhat premium prices? ZA is the standard price. Did Jimbo forget what year it is?
>>58501242The issue is a perception one. Pokemon went from charging Nintendo handheld prices to charging full console game level prices in the span of 8 years from USUM in 2017 to PLZA in 2025. I think its worth it, but I can see how someone disgruntled with the games would use it as a point against the game
>>58501053How did that game do this bad? You'd think the fact that this is the first non-pokemon GameFreak games out there would at least give it some buzz. I think Toby Fox even made a music track for this game too, wouldn't that get people to play? This is Indian asset-flip levels of failure.
>>58500944>doesn't actually describe why he thinks the game is badEvery time. Does this tranny post here too?
>>58500944He's the one outlier. All the other critical reviews say it's exceptional.
>>58501492This crap isn't above 60, those are literal paid shills and NOBODY believes them.
>>58500944B A S E D
>>58501492This game is so far from a 10/10 it hurts
>>58501492Without these retarded reviews this shit would be sitting around SV's Metacritic score lol guess the check must have been real good.
>>58500944This guy is a completely mentally ill freak but he’s right here. He was dead wrong about BotW though
>>58500944I disagree, If this didn't have the backing of the pokemon company it wouldn't be held to such a high standard and be regarded as an amazing example of how a creature battling system could work. The only games I can think of that have a similar combat system is palworld and Digimon Next order, and I find ZA a lot more enjoyable then either of those.
>>58501539>This crap isn't above 60Why not?
>>58501492I swear to god I do not have Gamefreak derangement syndrome. Switch era Pokemon has a lot of problems but I’ve had a lot of fun with them. But anyone who would give Legends ZA a fucking 10/10 is just completely fucked in the head, there’s no way a rational person could ever have an opinion like that
>>58501597It's less impressive than a PS2 title in all aspects, in 2025.
>>58501612In what way? And why the implication that PS2 titles are bad?
>>58500944>if you took out the thing people play and like it for people would not play and like it wow what a salient review retard
Jim is a weird dude, but I respect the craft.
>>58500944Based Jim for once, this game's score should be way lower if not for these chucklefucks >>58501492
>>58500944i'd give it a 8,4
>>58501618>And why the implication that PS2 titles are bad?All in your empty pokedrone head.
>>58501716Are you saying you weren't implying PS2 titles are bad? Then why make the claim that Z-A is less impressive than PS2 titles?
>>58501620>fanatics like the brand, to them, the content is nothing without brandStraight out of your mouth, thank you for being honest.
>>58501458Probably The review reads like something I'd expect to find on /v/.Those talking points are exactly the kind of thing you see every time a major Nintendo game comes out.
>>58500944Most people probably don't know this now that he's metamorphosed into his current form but this used to be his thingHe would slap negative-middling review scores on basically whatever random high profile game release was currently out to drive traffic to his site/channel, or give a controversial game an overly positive score. His redditor fans would then defend it with "what you think people aren't allowed to have differing opinions?" when it was obviously not his actual thoughts on the game (I doubt he even played many of them, or at least played enough to give a review)(Not to say I necessarily disagree in this case, but pretty obvious he's just doing his usual dance)
>>58501722Because it literally is. PS2 titles are good, but not for 70 bucks in 2025 + overpriced DLC. And here's the kicker: it's fucking worse than a PS2 title, for 70 bucks, with overpriced DLC.Now stop fishing for smartass gotchas, pokedrone.
>>58501492Steph's review is way too harsh. These reviews are way too high. Very, very few games deserve a 10/10. And I'm saying this as someone who thinks ZA may be in my top 5 Pokemon games of all time.
>>58501744I still remember when he gave Sonic 4 a glowing review and said anyone criticizing the weird physics were manbabies.
>>58501753BASED
>>58501728The Pokemon are literally the content.You can't just say >if this game didn't have Pokemon, nobody would like itas if that wouldn't fundamentally change the game.
I genuinely don't get the rhetoric that "if it wasn't Pokemon it'd be treated as mediocre" and I genuinely don't think so. This is an end-of-life Switch 1 game, and it's open world city game where you have 230 creatures that follow orders with a fairly in depth type system and broad set of mechanics involved. If this was released without Pokemon branding I honestly think it would be criticized a hell of a lot LESS. I don't think it would be considered GOTY level but I really don't think it would be considered bad either? >>58501751Metacritic tracks scores like "5/5 stars" as a "100" so it's likely those aren't 100 scores, but 5/5 or 10/10 or something. Which obviously is still high for the game but just worth mentioning
>>58501781yeah, unironically outside of the graphical fidelity being shit the game doesn't really have any issues glaring enough to warrant how much people have been seething over itactual, poorly-reviewing shit games always have glaring flaws that make them difficult or ridiculously tedious for the average person to play for any notable of time, it's shit that runs a hell of a lot deeper than 'the buildings are flat' and 'there are too many cutscenes'. it's why there are plenty of genuinely ugly, buggy games that still review well because a game's entertainment value is not the same as its production value
>>58500944>Caring what this disgusting troonoid thinks
>>58501751>StephPlease kill yourself. I know this isn’t a chud board, I’m not trying to make it one, but come the fuck on dude
>>58501745>Because it literally is.In what way?>PS2 titles are goodAgreed, so why the implication that they're bad?>And here's the kicker: it's fucking worse than a PS2 title,In what way? You still can't describe what you think is wrong with the game.
>>58500944I used to like this guy but his downfall has been sad to see. He needs to stop chasing whatever game is fotm and go back to gen 3 OU
>>58501781I want to live in the antiverse where there's apparently tons of Pokemon clones to choose from and compare Pokemon against
>>58501722PS2 games are good but they were on what was already weaker hardware at the time and by today's standards are extremely weak.
>>58501987What does the hardware have to do with the game being good or not? All the best video games ever are from that generation or earlier. All muh hardware leads to are wasted development resources on DUDE 4K BRICK TEXTURES HOLY MACARONI LOOK AT THE HORSE BALLS THEY ACTUALLY SHRINK WHEN IT GETS COLD rather than better video games.
>>58501972The magic is when you realise they don't exist because in general it's an expensive and difficult to handle concept. It's the functional equivalent of making a JRPG with 100s of playable units all of which have their own 3D models and animations which all have to interact with the same set of systems. Everything conceptually close either falls into the same flaws Pokemon does (SMT and Digimon have been reusing demon models and animations for decades much like Pokemon does because OF COURSE they do, that's the only reasonable way a game could do something like that). Additionally most competitors actively can't experiment too heavily with gameplay or world design because they're already unweildly concepts to deal with which is why most major competitors like SMT/Persona and Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth/Time Stranger are very linear experiences overall (which is not a criticism, to be clear, but it shows they are forced to limit scope).Pokemon has no competitors because attempting to make a game like this is like asking to have to deal with feature and content bloat constantly. Pokemon only specifically has this luxury because it is a mega franchise.
>>58502022Idk man palworld figured out a lot of that shit and they’re a tiny studio
>>58502022>>58502981>187 pals since palworld launched in 2024>originally made by 10 people, now 55>somehow implemented pals that are mountable and can fly, swim, run across the ground, and glide >implemented pals walking alongside you, something pokemon games have been doing off and on and has taken decades to figure out>wild pals fight each other in the wild, eat, and have more dynamic behavior than any pokemon ever seen in a GF game>about to launch a farming palworld spin off that mogs Pokopia
>>58501001>Her
>>58501492These “people” are the same crowd who handwaves any and all criticism of Pokemon with good ol’ “I’m having fun tho”.If given a new Pokemon product that was just a powerpoint presentation blasting the OG anime theme, they’d say the same thing.
>>58501899Ok? I should be sorry for... respecting someones identity?
>>58503160You should be sorry for participating in a lie.
>>58503184Listen if thats your opinion, that's fine. I don't really know much about anything in particular when it comes to the topic nor am I gonna pretend to. Nor do I even care to since I have bigger issues than other people and how they feel about their lives etc... All I know is that my grandfather always told me to treat people with respect and keep yourself to yourself. Hence why when people want to be addressed a certain way, I respect that.
>>58503160Jim Sterling is the most obvious autogynephile pervert to ever exist. His “identity” is a fetish you fucking moron. I am not indulging a delusional transvestite’s autogynephilia fetish.
>>58500944>her
>>58500944Broken clock is right twice a day
>>58500944This unironically reads like the reviewer never played it
>>58501001>herCome on now... REALLYhave you absolutely no standard of women??
>>58501443Because it was cheap slop that was rightfully seen as cheap slop. Didn't you notice after a string of cheap failures Gamefreak realized they actually had to put effort into non-Pokemon games so they produced a game that looks like it has an actual budget, Beasts of Reincarnation? That's because they know the Game Freak brand won't sell shit.
>>58500944>Tranny seethingGood for him I guess.
>>58501492Those are three of the most blatant paid reviews I've ever seen. Embarrassing.
>>58501443>You'd think the fact that this is the first non-pokemon GameFreak games out thereWhat? They've done a ton of non-pokemon stuff.
>>58503234Jim is a faggot, and he seethes a bit much, but honestly he has good opinions about video games.
I don't like the concept of reviewing games with price in mind because it's a factor that can date a review. I don't know it just seems short sighted.
>>58500944>later, jim disappears and nobody knows why. Other reviewers think he never exist to begin with.
>>58503597I would agree if this was, say, a Bandai Namco or Sony game but Nintendo games don't drop in price. They don't even do Nintendo Selects anymore.
>>58500944>Tanked>-1You people are such nerds with this shit.
>>58502022>Pokemon has no competitors because attempting to make a game like this is like asking to have to deal with feature and content bloat constantly. Pokemon only specifically has this luxury because it is a mega franchise.They've only made 3 games like this in the last decade. No one else has made enough games in their series in the same time frame to even be able to do so.Pokemon is on a lower budget than almost all of these other games, of course if someone put the money in they could very easily usurp them from it. But it's probably not worth it because every single company KNOWS that Pokemon will always win no matter what. So you either gamble and try to make a Pokemon clone to steal the throne and crash and fail once gamefreak puts out its latest slop and sells 5 trillion.
>>58502022Palworld already killed Pokemon though. Pokemon ZA sales are 40% below SV, its dead
>>58504146Legends is a spinoff. Compare it to Arceus and only Arceus.
>>58500944Why would anyone take the opinion of someone who chooses to look like this seriously?
Isn't Jim homeless right now because they kept spending all their money on plastic tat.
>>58504252He has patreon pay pigs that pay him a 6 figure salary not matter what he does. He's not gonna be homeless.
>>58503199It's not an opinion, he is a man. There is no opinion there. It is not respectful to participate in a lie. It is not respectful to embolden a delusion. Treating a man with respect means telling him the truth. You're a bad person.
>>58504175Legends is a mainline game, they said so.
>>58504342The consumers decide that>Sun/Moon LTD: 3,844,977 (mainline)>USUM LTD: 2,529,930>LGPE: LTD: 1,794,024>SWSH LTD: 4,478,397 (mainline)>SPBD LTD: 2,720,852>LE LTD: 2,405,479>SV LTD: 5,626,007 (mainline)
Look Pokemon is shit but if you're calling a tranny based because they validated your feelings that's really sad
>>58502022No Pokemon has no competitors because no dev understood why Pokemon worked. Pokemon had plenty of competition and they all struggled because none of them could make their games compelling for kids. They were RPGs made for RPG fans. Pokemon is a great kids game because its complex underneath for older players, but simple on the surface for kids and casuals.Look at Pokemon's early competition. Series that made great games but ultimately failed to make an impact like Pokemon:>Digimon World 1 was a monster raising game with a high learning curve and built around a trial by error learning system. World 2 was a grindy difficult dungeon crawler, and world 3 was a traditional JRPG that could have had more popularity if it released earlier. >Monster Rancher was a monster framing simulator with a high learning curve, reliant on physical CDs to get monsters and the game was nothing like the popular anime.>Medabots could have done it but it really didn't focus on bringing the games outside of Japan and things kind of stagnated and died at some point. Palworld did it because its not a JRPG aimed at kids. Its a crafting game with monster elements aimed at adults.
>>58502005Other games wasting their potential on better hardware does not excuse Pokemon doing the same, especially when it's a Nintendo game and we have no shortage of other Nintendo games to compare to.
>>58501780A genuinely great and fun game shouldn't need to rely on brand recognition to make it fun. That said I highly doubt someone completely unfamiliar with Pokemon would rate this higher than a 7/10, ever.
>>58500944sales are the only statistic that matters unfortunatelynintards would eat literal shit served on their plates if it had a piece of paper stuck to the plate with "nintendo" written on it
The games are a 65/100. Anything higher is blatant fanboyism and anything less is desperate ragebait and alarmism
>>58501443>firstSure, most of their non-Pokemon games are completely unknown, but they had a FEW that got noticed, like Drill Dozer.Bonus points for GF for the Tembo the Badass Elephant game where they fucked up so hard the game didn't even launch at all, the game EXE was the wrong name, IIRC.
>>58505656>above 50Explain why the game is above average for a triple A price?
>>58505673You don't know what the word "average" means in this context. Videogame scores are not IQ tests where the average is always fixed to a number to create a bell curve. I don't think anyone actually knows what the average videogame score on metacritic is because nobody has bothered tabulating every single score on metacritic
>>58505660Good old Drill Dozer, I remember loving that game as a kidReally oughta come back to the Nintendo Switch Online
>>58501492If you want real fun, whenever some highly-shilled game/movie comes out, actually READ the 10/10 critic reviews (preferably through an archive), it's baffling how these people can be real, how they'll do shit like absolutely bukakke a common gameplay mechanic as being incredible, or spend a couple paragraphs on how [actress] was the showstopper of the movie.Sometimes you can catch them latching onto something and making THAT be the deciding factor of the score, too, like an in-depth character creator that they spent hours on, or forgoing the "game" itself to spend 8 hours on the romance mechanics because they found a character they really like.Plus they don't have to factor in the price of the game/console because they rarely have to buy them themselves.Reviews get a lot more favorable when "what the fuck, I paid $70(+) for THIS?" isn't a factor.>>58501781Note that most of the reviews in these screencaps are of the ""Switch 2 edition"". It's still not a 10/10 on Switch 1, but on a next-gen console? Fuck, man, there's Gamecube games that look better.Nigga, PLZA's STILL using the 3DS models for the Pokemon, minus a few that were manually updated selectively, you can do shit like count the verts on some Pokemon, plus all the flat walls and such should be unacceptable on a brand-new next-gen console you spent $700+ on.Not like most reviewers even have to buy their consoles anyway, funded either by the company they work for, or Nintendo themselves.>>58505660 (me)Forgot to mention I find it extra funny that whenever GF makes a non-Pokemon game, people jump and yell to try to get people to buy it, for various reasons.Even with all that free "marketing", most/all their non-Pokemon games flop hard, putting them even firmer under TPC/Nintendo's thumb.
>"If this game didn't have Pokemon..."Then contrarians would hype it up as another "Pokemon competitior" for Game Freak to learn from. Doing something different and more involved with its systems than the standard Pokemon title.
>>58500944>>58505683Sometimes I like that trick someone came up with where you average the critic and user score(x10) together to find the "real" score, though it isn't perfect.Anyway, what you see the most with Metacritic is that the critic scores usually go by the "ABCDF" scale like you're in school.F is under 60%, A is above 90%. It's pretty rare, but if any game gets a critic score under 70% (F), the game is absolute irredeemable ass, or the game did something absolutely heinous that pissed off the reviewers on a personal level and they took it badly.When it comes to the total average USER score, 5/10 means it's a middleground game, it's just average, 7/10 above average, 3/10 below average, etc.Anyway, if you wanna gauge the game based on these objectively irrefutably correct metrics:Averaged: 62.5/100 (a D grade)Critic score: C+User score: very slightly below average.Overall... yeah, I agree. It's still a little higher than I feel it should be, but it's close enough.
>>58505754I think average would be appropriate if it wasn't $70, for that price point it's below average for sure. I think if it were $40 dollars it would be average and if it were $20 it would actually be a cheap above-average time killer
>>58505769Well yeah, anyone with even a third of a functional brain knows $70 games better be DAMN good to be worth it.I know it's only an extra ten bucks, but there has to be a visible increase in quality, a reason for it to go up, a reason for people to give a shit about a $70 game when there's alternatives for $60.Pokemon just gets a free pass because a large portion of the Pokemon fanbase literally does not care how much it costs, they'll just buy it regardless.Actually, there's enough whales in the vidya industry in general to carry a lot of overpriced games, like whenever some game does some "pay $120 for the premium edition so you can play the game 3 days early" thing and people do it only to get burned almost every time because it's literally a beta and hasn't gotten any bugfix/balance patches or content updates yet, yet they do this every time, often the same people.
>>58500944Palworld did gangbusters just for being Pokemon adjacent, cope and seethe Jim
Video games have always been stupidly overpriced in my country and ZA is the same price as SwSh and SV were so all this obsessing and review bombing over the price is just nonsensical to me
I find it funny when reviewers seethe over not getting free copies desuUnrelated to the current thread as it is.
>>58501539The paid shills are these
>>58505683I'm asking YOU not metacritic. What makes this game more than mediocre?
>>58504146>Xhe thinks the sale figures of a singular version game is comparable with a two-version gameDid you get that from a jewtuber?
>>58506004>Lack of visual identity to the city. Looks nothing like Paris. All 5 districts look identical. >Combat is very rudimentary. They knew they would get away with it being shallow because they’re “experimenting” but there truly is no meat on the bone there>Absolutely no way to interact with your ‘mon outside of combat aside from taking pictures of them at the cafe… btw they couldn’t even be fucked to make an eating animation >visuals are very basic/bad, all buildings are flat >not enough music variety >story as per usual is basic and uninspiring >lack of pokemon variety outside of wild zones, barely any unique mons on rooftops just a million flabebes and pidgeys with some rare exceptions >wild zones are horrifically designed, half of them are just straight up gank terror zones where the second you walk in you get the aggro of every single mon in the area>side quests are wayyyyy too basic and low effort I’m missing a lot but that’s the gist
>>58501001>her
>>58501492Anon I genuinely enjoy ZA but a yone giving it a 10/10 or a 100/100 is a paid shill
>>58500944>Jim is still as retarded as everHow can anyone take him seriously after he accepted he was TOO FAT to play kid icarus uprising?
>>58505754>Anyway, what you see the most with Metacritic is that the critic scores usually go by the "ABCDF" scale like you're in school.Only amerimutts use that system anon.
>>58501255>>58501255Someone disgruntled? You mean someone who is using graphics as their only argument? Its not worth it to pay attention to people like that anymore. Too normie tier. If I gave that much of a shit about the building textures I would be someone who was either born 15-20 years ago or some normie millenial who started playing games for revenue 5-10 years ago. People like these don’t like videogames. They are the G4TV of modern times. OPs review is no different, he is literally just a guy holding a grudge against game freak for incredibly shallow reasons and being no different than a review bomber.There was a time when videogame reviews weren’t just someones personal opinion either but separated into scoring them by things like gameplay, replayability and graphics. Another problem I see is that lot of people nowadays treat videogames like they were movies when criticizing them which was got to be the most downright clownish thing I’ve seen growing up into an adult, I think a story in a game is cool but when it is literally someones entire argument against a game it literally just makes me cringe.These threads are made as some sort of gotcha grasping at straws argument by people who make their entire personality into clout chasing or hating some “evil corporation”. Before these threads started being made nobody actually gave a shit about review websites from metacritic or used it as an argument for anything. I miss when this place just made crude jokes about videogames and made fun of entrepreneurs or marketers trying to get into the hobby.Even when you try to have an honest debate about something here you will always have some sharty teenager coming in and start posting wojaks with overextrapolated hate narratives full of words like poop or shit. I hate seeing it even when the zoomer actually agrees with me. GF has a lot of problems and a lot of GAMEPLAY related things I can criticize them for, building textures is not one of them.
>>58505731This game is such a lazy, low-effort asset flip that nobody would even be aware of its existence if it didn't have the Pokemon branding.
>>58500944You know things are dire when you find yourself forced to agree with the guy who smeared his face with his own cum just to prove a point
>>58502022>OY VEY IT'S SO EXPENSIVE AN CUMBERSOME TO MAKE MONSTER COLLECTORS GAMESThis sounds really nice except the fucking budgets GF has are less than 1/4 of most games on the market today. $15m is a fucking quarter of a year that gets spent across 3-4 years in other games.
>>58506279>ust a million flabebesWhere is this bitch finding a million flabebes?
>>58505769Considering price point at all outside of instances where the price point is not at the current industry standard in what is meant to be an objective metric like a review is a midwit take to begin with. Not only is it redundant because it's up to the consumer to consider what is their ideal price point for the products they consume, but because it immediately dates the review because that talking point because worthless the moment the product in question drops in price. If we are to speak in objective metrics, even at $70 dollars or even $80, video games as products have literally never been cheaper for consumers in history than they are right now. If a consumer is feeling like they're getting priced out of their hobby, that's an economic issue. Subsidizing the loss in revenue from keeping the $60 standard with DLC and micro-transactions could have only ever gone so far before the general cost of goods need to increase in price to remain economically viable. It was always inevitable for the price of games to eventually go up with inflation. It's understandable that the lack of sufficient wage growth to pair alongside with inflation is making the rising cost a greater pain point for consumers, but that is not Nintendo or any other pillar of the game's industry responsibility. Get pissed at politicians for perpetually kicking the can on the issue rather than wasting energy bitching to corporations when even $80 was still cheaper when accounted for inflation than the $60 standard was when it was first introduced.
>>58501046yea and ZA isn't a proper sequel to PLA at all so what's your point
>>58506508>who cares about grafixxxEveryone cares about it. Pokemon at its core is about exploring a different world with mythical creatures and self inserting and immersing yourself into that world.A bad world design is actively hindering the immersion and fantasy of the game world. No one wants to "explore" a city where everything is just a cardboard setpiece.Almost every screenshot of this game I see on twitter is people dressing up themselves and making cute screenshots with their pokemons and buying outfits. This all about graphics and visuals.>movie gamesIronic considering how many unskippable dialogue cutscenes Pokemon has been putting in their games where there is zero gameplay. Other games have figured out how to integrate dialogue into gameplay or at least have them be interactive.Gameplay is never independent from the visual design of a game.
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>>58507145>Gameplay is never independent from the visual design of a game.The only thing this tells me is that you are precisely one of the critic clowns who started playing games less than 10 years ago. The graphics never stopped me from enjoying ps1 era games and I am certainly not gonna cry over cut corners in the least important area of the games design. >game has too much cutscenesAnyone who ever said this about a pokemon game is impatient period. It especially applies to this game and it shows you didn’t even bother playing it for even an hour considering the game opens up completely after the looker bureu, this is how much people bitch about something as inconsequential as being on a set path for a minor portion of the introduction of the game.>the world designThe world design is fine. They traded making large mostly empty maps that you can traverse anyway you like for a labyrinthe like structure. If anything the map is far more designed just visually samey due to being a city.
>>58507145The buildings do not affect the gameplay at all anon. You do not interact with the buildings in any meaningful way, they don’t even give you hints about what type of pokemon you find there because the pokemon spawn on rooftops not window balconies.Maybe if you were criticizing the battle animations and graphics you’d be onto something but I can tell that even there you’d be cherrypicking and saying some shit like pokemon should have more than 3 motions.
>>58507199>you're just impatient!Anon, you're being an apologist nigger. Pokemon games should not subject the player to walls of text/exposition during barely animated cutscenes every 5 minutes. Gen 8 was the worst about that followed by Gen 7. ZA does this far too often at the beginning with probably a 1/4th or more of the first 2-3 hours being interruptions. There's better ways to tell a story. Show, don't tell would go a long way for the Pokemon franchise.
>>58507229>started playing games less than 10 years ago.My first pokemon was Red, you zoomer. I can play Dwarf Fortress in ascii graphics just fine. It's not about visual fidelity. It's about care and details being put into the world. The cardboard houses are a symptom of the problem.>You do not interact with the buildings in any meaningful way, they don’t even give you hints about what type of pokemon you find there because the pokemon spawn on rooftops not window balconies.Have you considered that this is bad in a game where the premise is of you exploring a metropolis?
>>58507353Meant to quote >>58507229
>>58507239No I am not being an apologist I criticize game freaks games for things like the exp share, the mega design, the progression balance, the dexcut, the barebones route and dungeon design on games like swsh.You criticize the game because of flat textures in buildings you never enter.Fuck off and disappear disingenous subhuman faggot
>>58507353No because you do not fight pokemon on walls or scale them. I think its interesting that they bothered to actually design the rooftops instead of balconies of houses I never enter, nor did I even expect them to make many buildings you enter since I didn’t expect to fight wild pokemon inside houses (unless they are abandoned i guess).> I can play Dwarf Fortress in ascii graphics just fine. It's not about visual fidelity. It's about care and details being put into the world. The cardboard houses are a symptom of the problem.This is honestly just you being an unreasonable hypocrite. Its not even about thinking that it looks bad its about how much importance you put into such an unimportant thing then make a comparison to something you actually enjoy almost like its okay when it fits your agenda. The game is actually fun to play not that you would ever admit it since you’re focusing on the graphics to extrapolate the game freak hate narrative or you are a PLA/Palworld nigger. Frankly i don’t give a fuck which one you are, all are slime either way.
>>58507199>impatientIt's called being an adult and not having infinite time for games. Why would I play a game where I can only actually play it for a fraction of the time? The older I get the more sick I get of sitting through dialogue I don't care about and being forced to waste time. This kind of game design was antiquated 15 years ago.Also it's on them to make the beginning as engaging as possible if they don't like people falling off due to a slow start. Games should always put their best foot forward. The player has no obligation to the developer to have patience. The only reason you do is because nintendo still doesn't offer refunds and you owe it to yourself to make full worth of the 60-70 bucks.>They traded making large mostly empty maps that you can traverse anyway you like for a labyrinthe like structure. If anything the map is far more designed just visually samey due to being a city.Why is any of that mutually exclusive.You can have an open maze-y city map that looks good and has visual variety. For example by putting different interiors that you can explore or having different city districts with different architectural styles and time periods. Just open google maps and look around in Paris.>>58507499>unreasonable hypocrite.The game costs as much as a flagship AAA title therefore people are going to judge it at the same standards as a flagship AAA title, not an indie game made by one autist in his basement giving a game away for free. Simple concept.
>>58501001>herBORN DIFFERENT, I WAS BORN KEKED
>>58503160Yes.
>>58507582>>>>>>being an adultA hobby is not something that is considered a waste of time to anybody except subhumans.>triple A game standardsTriple A games have no standards. They are all graphics and “story” and whatever political agenda fit the climate at the time. You are not talking about a triple A game and anybody who thinks Nintendo of all companies is a triple A company is nothing but a delusional idiot who cannot even see what is right in front of them
>>58507582>It's called being an adult and not having infinite time for games.Anyone who unironically says something like this should not be playing videogames to begin with. Your opinions are nothing but pollution to the hobby. A hobby is meant to be something you waste time with. If you don’t have time for it then fix your life so you can actually enjoy your hobby or shut the fuck up and cope with your choices. I don’t even know what you’re arguing about and I can already tell I hate you.
>>58507471I don't know this anonymous person, but I'm almost certain they're also criticising SWSH for the same reasons as you. But we're talking about ZA here, which has added new problems to the series.There are people who specialise in 3D modelling. They don't work on the combat system, the story or the music, but only on the 3D models. What did they do in this game? The same goes for the people in charge of designing the city. They simply created a flat city around a tower, with all the neighbourhoods looking the same. Ys IX was better in every way, even though it was made by a small team that produces games every year to survive on a smaller budget. The combat system is fine, but there's nothing to marvel at. Digimon World already featured 3D monsters fighting in a 3D environment in 1999, and the Digimon animations offered a wider range of emotions and actions than ZA.
>>58507582Since when has nintendo ever done AAA games? Nintendo is literally always a generation behind in graphics and focusing on things like gimmicks and “innovation” why would you ever think they are on the same vibe as a AAA studio just because they make bank? Do you think something like persona 3 reload is a AAA title? Because if you do you are actually a moron.>>58507879I played all the digimon world games. Just because the battle system has similarities to this does not mean it is the same, you have far more control over your pokemons movements than your digimons movements for starters the move variety is also way bigger and switching pokemon with timing is a legitimate tactic. You only ever control 1 digimon in the world games 2 in the case of next order. From my point of view you are comparing apples to oranges and as a digimon world enjoyer I can also tell you its the least popular series compared to the story series for a reason and that reason is not applicable to pokemon, no its not the monster raising sim mechanics
where were you when digimon won?
>>58507931>>58507813>anybody who thinks Nintendo of all companies is a triple A company>Since when has nintendo ever done AAA games? Nintendo is literally always a generation behind in graphicsNot just one generation. Picture related was released in 2009 on the PS3 and Xbox360 by the way.Also you think that's an argument for them?This isn't just about graphics. This is is also about game design and level design.If they're always behind the competition, then why should I forgive them for charging the same money as them? What quality do you think makes it worth it over their competition? They can't even match AA games. They can't even match indie games that cost 25 bucks.>>58507813>>58507852>a hobby means wasting your time>not liking bad Pokemon games means I don't enjoy video gamesDo you even listen to yourself? A hobby means wasting my time with things I enjoy. I will simply choose to play other, better games and not spending money on subpar products.
>>58508054How many sales did those reviews get them?
>>58508103If they only have a tiny fraction of the sales and revenue but can still afford to make a better game, what does that say about Pokemon?
>>58507931>Do you think something like persona 3 reload is a AAA title?Persona 3 Reload might not be a triple A game but it is a game with a consistent and appealing art style. Graphics aren't the be all end all but an ugly game is hard to play. Pokemon has weak art direction and they're not putting the money into these games to fix the issue. Also anon is right. If publishers are going to charge us a flat rate for AA and AAA games, then AA games should be held to the same standard as AAA games. Also Pokemon's budgets aren't even on the level of AA games.
>>58508176So how many sales? 0?
>>58508185We don't have that data yet. It reached 84,458 concurrent players on Steam at release, which is twice as many players as Persona 3 Reload, which has sold 2 million copies in its life time, and just a few thousand players short of Metaphor which sold 1 million units in a day and 2 million in its lifetime.
>>58508103Why should players care about sales? It doesn't give me a better game.
>>58507931>Just because the battle system has similarities to this does not mean it is the sameThat's why I specified "3D monsters fighting in a 3D environment in 1999", the rest is just ATB. Some people pointed out the gameplay for the reason they play the game and as a justification for the price. I'm just telling there is nothing groundbreaking in this field either. It's fine, but it's not a justification to ignore everything else.As for >you have far more control over your pokemons movements than your digimons movements for starters the move variety is also way biggerYou can ask your Digimon to protect themselves with "Defend", to evade with "Distance" and ask them eventually to use one specific moves (before you could ask only for the AI to choose with "Your Call" or ask the one that use the most or the less MP for "Attack" and "Moderate" but eventually, you can choose up to 3 attacks plus the special move unique to all Digimons), so technically, you have more control over them, the rest is just the speed stat doing the part of the ATB.Pointing out more there are more attacks is irrelevant to what I said. First of all, Digimon World is a 1999 game, first in its series as a 3D game that got only a single game before, while ZA is a continuation of a 30 years old franchise with more that 10 years in 3D game, secondly, a lot of Pokemons attacks use the same effects with Pokemons being in the same pose.>I can also tell you its the least popular series compared to the story series for a reason and that reason is not applicable to pokemon, no its not the monster raising sim mechanicsWhat does that have to do with what I said? I don't claim that one series is superior to another. Again, I'm just saying that people dismissing 3D modelling, general esthetic, small map with no variety etc., because of the battle system, forget that it is nothing groundbreaking either.
>>58508086If you never liked pokemon to begin with then why are you even here? You’re still wrong by the way, about “wastes of time”. The only people who think like you are detestable and full of hubris. You are not even fucking aware of the pricing of videogames youre just a midwit intellectual who watches youtube videos.
>>58508181Nintendo isn’t charging what a AAA studio charges for its games Nintendo is charging what every other dev is charging for games now. They were not even the first to charge $70. Persona 3 reload got the same shit for its price and dlc price back then which is why I used it as an example, amusing that you think otherwise to the brainrot cattle criticizing that game at the time considering you think exactly like them for this game. Not only is Persona 3 reload with all of its dlc more costly than pokemon az with its dlc but so is digimon time stranger. I love all of these games by the way. I bought persona 3 reload 3 times with the dlc for different consoles and I bought the most expensive edition of time stranger, if anything I get to criticize these games for their absurd prices more than a faggot who whines about it on the internet.
>>58506436Nigga, it still gives you a frame of reference.Hell, I even googled a "converter" of sorts:
>>58508375Legends az is not atb, it is a cooldown system it is much closer to mmorpg pet classes, the battle systems have very little in common.Your entire argument about how the battle systems works and depth is disingenous when you are not even aware of the sort of combinations with moves you can do in this game and the mechanics behind plus moves, team wide buffs, area of effects, etc. Digimon worlds system has very little by comparison of all these things especially since you only control one digimon (2 at the same time in one specific case) and type effectiveness balance has to account for that.I love the world games for their monster raising sim mechanics but I’m not gonna be a disingeneous retard and say the battle systems in AZ are just some cheap attempt at creating something similar to that of the world games or that they are even remotely the same. I am not gonna use the word groundbreaking because no fucking game delivers anything groundbreaking and unique nowadays unless its something like Outer wilds bit the battle system in AZ is clearly unique and a breath of fresh air. Effort was put into it and while still experimental has a lot of potential. Hammering the game because of building textures is just going to lead into a situation where most people shun it without even understanding why or knowing if they’d like it in the first place not to mention the ridiculous embarassment when that one faggot spread misinformation about Lumiose City being one model.
>>58503597Price is a factor because paying more should get you more/better quality stuff. I can forgive some flaws in a 20 dollar indie game, doesn't mean I should forgive them in a 70 dollars (+dlc) game from the biggest and richest franchise in the world.
>>58508774I am not exactly sure how anyone can be delusional enough to think that any company will charge a massively cheaper price than what is considered “standard”. Even in the case of remasters. Look at the price of the FFT remaster on pc, or the bravely default remaster. “Quality” is a completely subjective argument outside of the pricepoint. How a game plays is almost entirely up to preference, I wouldn’t let someone who only plays call of duty review an rpg game for example, a review should be done by someone neutral that enjoys the genre in question, no accuracy can be had otherwise. Personal opinion shouldn’t be taken into account in a review when so many things can muddy it. Theres a reason why gaming journalists have always been seen like complete clowns.
>>58508827If you pay 70 dollars and are happy with cardboard copypasted 3d buildings that can't be entered, you're the one who's delusional.
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>>58508611Keep strawmanning.I've played Pokemon Red in grade school. I obsessed with Pokemon and played and replayed every mainline Pokemon game religiously until the Switch games. I was here when this board was made during B/W prelaunch.People like you who refuse to hold the most profitable multimedia franchise in the world to higher standards are actively encouraging something I used to love to become worse and worse cashgrabs.
>>58508845I pay $70 for a pokemon game I enjoyed not to look at cardboard buildings as you so eloquently put it
>>58501492I'd put it at 70, maybe 80 tops. Not the best Pokemon game and not the worst. It does some interesting things but it feels like its missing something. Being stuck with one city is both a boon and a flaw, and it would've been nice if there was an option for players to do the V to F fights so the target audience (actual children) can get the storyline skip and the lifelong players or kids looking for a challenge can have fun at their own pace.But its not 100. Those are definitely shills.
>>58505673I'd say they're slightly above 50, imo. I usually grade shit on an average out of 5 scale.Story - 2/5Gameplay - 3/5Visuals - 2/5Performance 3.5/5That's about 2.6 out of 5. Honestly feel like that's a fair grade for it if you aren't blinded by Pokemon love or a Nintendo fan.
>>58501001So just putting a dress on a pigs dick makes it a vagina
>>58500944why woud I listen to a tranny?
>>58508086>If they're always behind the competitionThey're not. Nintendo makes actual games and the garbage you're sucking off are cinematic experiences from failed movie directors.
>>58508648>Nintendo isn’t charging what a AAA studio charges for its games Nintendo is charging what every other dev is charging for games now.And when those devs are charging a flat 70 dollars for AA games they are for AAA games that opens the AA games to be held to AAA standards. Which was what that anon had said. Also just because you're a retarded fool who is quickly parted with his money doesn't mean the rest of us are or that the rest of us can't criticize this shit.
>>58509015Is that why they're jumping on the open world fad a decade after everyone else already got sick of it?
>>58501443>this is the first non-pokemon GameFreak games out thereGame Freak has existed before Pokemon. This isn't even their first game on Steam.
>>58500944>>58501001In the same way that some people will vote something higher because it has their favorite franchise name on it, there are those who will vote something lower because there's the name of a franchise they dislike on it. The irony is that it's the opposite of what he's saying; if Z-A had no relation to Pokémon, then he and many others would be saying>THIS GAME IS THE POKÉMON KILLER, MAKE SURE TO SPEND $70 ON IT TO SHOW YOUR SUPPORT AGAINST NINTENDOJust like they do with every monster catching game these days.
>>58504462OP is just using him as ragebait my guy
>>58509082You can’t criticize something based on the price alone my guy. You can however be seething mad that you can’t criticize anything other than the fucking price because you won’t buy it. I “parted” with my money because I wanted those games in the consoles they were in, I don’t think you get to tell anyone what is money well spent, only a hubris filled pedantic faggot does that and they get embarassed every time. Not wanting to play a game over some standards you have is fine, acting like a self righteous buffoon in front of everyone who did decide to buy it and telling them they’re stupid for doing so is just the behavior of a childish idiot.
>>58509514You’re right but they will respond with deflection and pedantic self righteousness. They think they are better for hating popular things and they will never be objective about it
>>58509514>>58509943I somewhat agree. For some reason people don't understand that Ad Populum fallacies go both ways. It's retarded to like something just because it's popular but it's also retarded to hate something just because it's popular.
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>>58509935>I don’t think you get to tell anyone what is money well spenYou bought Persona 3 Reloaded, a modern game released on modern hardware, three times bro.
>>58509982Some hot steam punk girl who doesn't even play pokemon
>>58509991Because I liked the game and wanted to play it portable and in my tv as well. Don’t presume the conditions or reasons of other people. I’m not so poor that I can’t afford $70 in a single paycheck.
>>58510022he's male
