Looks more feminine
>>58502599Crazy how Gardevoir wasn’t intended to be a cute girl originally
>>58502599Did they just draw side Gardevoir and mirrored it? Left looks awful.
>>58502599Crosseyedevoir lol
>>58503389I think it basically always looked like that facing forward up until this Poketoon short
>>58502599can we safely call Gardevoir one of the big shillmons now? Been this way since X and Y with a bit of a break during Gen 7 but then ramped up since then
>>58504421>NowNo it was a big shillmon as of XY when they decided to make it the region champion's ace. It was the first region whose Champion had an Ace from a "previous region" since Lance, and that one was because Indigo is shared between Kanto and Johto. Kalos straight up kneels to Hoenn
>>58504421Ace of the Rival (Wally) in RSE Branch evolution (Gallade) in DPPtMega Gardevoir is the Champion Diantha's ace in XYMega Gallade is Wally's ace in ORASIron Valiant gets introduced, having higher BST than other Paradox mons other on par with legendary Pokemon Paradox and Roaring Moon which is a pseudo legend paradoxIron Valiant is also AI Turo's strongest Pokemon other than the Miraidon
>>58502599>cute yet mysterious alien-like creature reduced into a waifuwhy does TPCi feel the need to shill to furfags every single time?
>>58502599>>58504421I'm into Jap stuffs in general. There has been a massive trend towards using waifu and cute stuffs to promote things in Japanese advertising industry, you don't see harder material like Death Note/Gothic advertising material nowadays.The reason is that Otaku culture is now mainstream
>>58505116They have pandered since that text where it says that pokemon married humans, yet you still seethe and dilate because you can't accept it. So keep coping then.
>>58502599Male Gardevoir btw
>>58503281Was always meant to be a paladin, that's not hair but a helm
>>58505151>pokemon married humanslisted in mythology and isn’t even canon, but your confused little mind can’t comprehend that.will you bring up the cut (and rejected) drafts for the pokedex entries of the pokemon, or even the literal fanfics of former devs, that permanently smeared typhlosion’s reputation?
>>58505116>reduced into a waifuthere are far worse things to happen to a creature then being associated with consensual relationships
>>58504421Its always been a shillmon just not to the degree of Zard and Lucario but 100% it is Hoenn's definitive shillmon. I would've said Blaziken some years ago but thinking back its definitely gardevoir
>>58505179no i will just laugh at you. I don't need your idiotic approval for anything when I got game freak's.
>>58504421I would take Gardevoir shilling anytime over Lucario and Charizard
>>58505180>consensualfabricated*pokemon cannot consent>>58505190good thing game freak spat on your face and still corrected the fanfic passage in BDSP lol
>>58505212ok cope harderit is there in the japanese version again, because japs fuck weird creatures in their own folk tales all the time, which you can't comprehend.
>>58505227>b-but japan said…funny, you’re coping while telling others to cope.you’re not japanese, and you will never be japanese.
>>58505116It can still be all of that, you're just coping over other people like a control freak
>>58505154The one on the right is explicitly referred to as a female in the short. She also wears her Mega Stone as a hair clip.
>>58505212>pokemon cannot consentA Pokemon can slaughter you if you tried anything they didn't agree with. Gardevoir in particular can read minds and emotions, and has the ability to deconstruct you atom by atom; it would know exactly what you wanted and could obliterate you before you even had a chance to react if it didn't consent.
>>58505192you will take all 3 of them and you WILL be happy
>>58505116She's not just a cutemon, they also showed her being brave and standing in front of a landslide.
>>58505546I'll happily take 'Zard. Always unironically loved it, even before it was shilled.
>>58505589Zard was already heavily shilled before the franchise even reached the west
>>58505546Give me charizard
>>58505546I rather a fug
>>58505160this has always been such a dumb excuse for a design that's clearly a dress, even gallade is wearing pantaloons in comparison, and mega gardevoir straight up wears a wedding dress
>>58505116She's been seen as a waifu by fans since 2002.
>>58504421>>58504448gardevoir got a mega since xy, true, but the shilling it got back then pales to how much it gets now, its basically a mascotmon nowadays
>>58504448>It was the first region whose Champion had an Ace from a "previous region"That had more to do with XY not having Megas for new Pokemon, so you either give the Champion a non-Mega ace or a returning mon.
>>58505126>you don't see harder material like Death Note/Gothic advertising material nowadaysim an edgefag. i need this to come back thanks
>>58505634mega gardevoir was created a decade after the original
>>58507111And clearly the designer for Mega Gardevoir thought the supposed paladin motif was dumb too.
>>58505160A very sexy paldin heroine
>>58505855Half the shit in your collage are directly because of XY making it a shillmon>>58505860Given how little Mega Evolution was in XY, they should've just said fuck it and gave her a Gen VI Ace. It's not like I was impressed with Diantha's Mega Gardevoir when my normal ass Mawile (because its Mega was fucking post-game) one-shot it with Iron Head
>>58507133yes every generation game freak increasingly tries to shoehorn gardevoir into the waifu role. to the point that they even took away gardevoir's floating animation and now have to do a stupid looking giurly run everywhere when floating was supposed to be one of its defining characteristics. but that doesn't change they didn't feel that way about it originally. Leaning into fandom percepption is something they absolutely do.
>>58505116gardevoirs are based in meadow elves desu
>>58507161>yes every generation game freak increasingly tries to shoehorn gardevoir into the waifu roleMaybe because the dumbass paladin role was ill-fitting for it in the first place? Why lean into a stupid decision when you can pivot to a good one? You want a paladin Pokemon, you've got Gallade now.
>>58507306gallade wears a stupid diaper and is male-only for no reason. if female gallade was a thing then it wouldn't seem like they are trying so hard to retcon gardevoir as the female version. and gardevoir's old presentation was more interesting and unique. and less cliche
>>58503281>>58505160She's a princess. Gardivoire is based on the traditional western depiction of a princess, the "Sirknight" part of the name is a gag based on Pokemon being able to speak only their names in the anime, thus she's calling out to her "Sirknight", hence why Gallade existsThe localization team just fucked up the bit
>>58507373>gallade wears a stupid diaperThey are pantaloons.>and is male-only for no reason.Because it is the male counterpart. Gardevoir uses magic, Gallade uses swords. Knight and lady.>if female gallade was a thing then it wouldn't seem like they are trying so hard to retcon gardevoir as the female version.Male Gardevoirs were a mistake they couldn't correct.>and gardevoir's old presentation was more interesting and unique. and less clicheNo, it really wasn't. It was supposedly a paladin, but wore a dress? Had a knight helmet, but used spells instead? Had legs, but instead levitated around instead?Dumb. The theming is all over the place, and nothing is concrete. The modern interpretation of the line, with Gallade as the knight in shining armor and Gardevoir as the princess is much more fitting.
>>58507409Nta Gardevior always reminded me more of this
>>58507405Gallade didn't even exist until the next gen, so that was some terrible decision making if your claim is correct.
>>58507442It was one gen later, it was likely done to get the point. And besides this is GF we're talking about, this wouldn't even be in the top ten mistakes they've made in their decision making
>>58507409ThisCaptcha: NGMAD
>>58507409There ought to be a Gallade design with proper faulds and shit, maybe a kilt
>>58507409having gardevoir more than literally just a representation of one singular thing was what made it interesting. those are the best kinds of pokemon designs while the opposite is the lowest common denominator designs. it's cool that gardevoir is a gardian figure that fights in a mistical way instead of being a big armored guy with a huge shield which is the more obvious and boring way to do it.
>>58507505>having gardevoir more than literally just a representation of one singular thing was what made it interesting.No, it made it confusing and the design was weak. People saw it as a waifu, and that's what popular interpretation made it into. You wanna make a girly bruiser? Go ahead, but make sure you emphasize the "bruiser" part. Tinkaton does this well.>it's cool that gardevoir is a gardian figure that fights in a mistical way instead of being a big armored guy with a huge shieldSure, but what you're describing isn't a paladin, but a female wizard. A she-wizard. A witch, if you may. And so you've now moved the interpretation of a guardian from a knight to a witch.Hell why is this even being considered? Kirlia's a fucking ballerina dancer, that's as feminine a role as you can get. Gardevoir's original design was clearly meant to be exclusively female and they fucked up the gender ratios.
>>58505160>>58507405It's supposed to be a cute feminine knight.>she's calling out to her "Sirknight"They never say the full "sanaito", they only ever say "sana" or "san", likely to further establish that they're the one in the knight role.
Gardevior is cool, waifufags are a mistake.
>>58507547pokemon can and should be multiple things and also alakazam's moustache never stopped female alakazam from being a thing. Gardevoir thmatically and visually draw from knights and also continue on the empath theming from Ralts at the same time. ralts to gardevoir is supposed to be a progression. Don't forget that Gardevoir was basically made specifically for Wally when it was changed to be green to match him last second. it goes from weak kid to guardian angel and a figurative knight retainer.
>>58507607>Don't forget that Gardevoir was basically made specifically for Wally when it was changed to be green to match him last second.I hadn't heard that. Was that in the leak? What color was it originally?
>>58507607Gardevoir can be a knight and can be female only too. This is pokemon. You would have to be willfully dumb to not believe that it was GF's intention from the start. Genders are there for mehcanic purposes only
>>58507607>Don't forget that Gardevoir was basically made specifically for Wally when it was changed to be green to match him last second.Wally doesn't have a Gardevoir anymore. Again, because the Pokemon didn't fit the theming.
>>58507621I think your obsession of it needing to be female only is cringe and you should get over it. Besides female exclusive pokemon exist like miltank dummy they could have done that but didn't.
>>58507618Psyking was one of the last pokemon in the RS beta and was purple. it was also genderless but becamme 50/50 as sirnight.>>58507621how genders for trainer's pokemon work depends on the gen. wally deffinitely had an always male gardevoir by choice
>>58507592Anon, there's nothing knightly about her design in the slightest as other anons have pointed out. If anything inspired Gardevoir's design, it's fucking Zelda, who needless to say isn't very knightly, that role is for Link.
>>58507676NTA but, Don't knights and paladins also have "dress" like waists?
>>58507711Sure, tunics and chainmail can go down to one's knees or so. But Gardevoir's dress goes down to her feet, like... a princess' dress.
>>58507438>>58507711Note the plunging necklines, dipped sleeves, dress train and special>physical damage spread. Obviously Gard was meant to be a knight, not an Arthurian princess.
>>58507726I've seen them go even longer mainly in games. But it's also a weird ayylmao looking creature so some design aspects may change to fit it more appropriately it being shorter might look odd due to it having twigs for legs.I'm not to invested in this I just think some of the design inspiration surrounding the mon itself is interesting.
>>58507676The helmet looking hair, plus the fact that she's protective and sacrifices her life. Maybe the pokedex entry would be something like "if you save a Gardevoir after it calls out, it will feel indebted to you for life" if it was in the distressed maiden role.
>Ralts is a little mystical elf creature>Kirlia is a little mystical dancer elf creature>No guys don't you see Gardevoir was always intended to be a strong armored warrior creature>NO don't look at the fairy type stop!!!
>>58507645Nta but gf did not have gallade planned at the time of release. The gender thing started in gen 2 so they were able to make tauros and milktank counterparts. Gen 3 likely started as gardevoir only with gallade only being conceptualized after.
Doesn't Japan have a bunch of shows where a """knight""" is just a woman wearing a dress anyway? This argument feels like it puts too meaning on what a knight is supposed to be in the first place.
>>58507804Japan has good taste, dress armor is kino.
>>58507761Her hair looking like a helmet is a reach anon. And being protective is this sense is more like a mother being protective of her child than a warrior raised to protect the innoncent, which is a feminine trait, something you would give to a princess, someone who ideally should be protective of those under her care and rule.This is classic fairy tale stuff, they aren't trying pull a fast one on you.
>>58505236I just masturbated to gardevoir, I am not the one coping here.
>>58507784One thing I'd really wish they do is ovehaul the pokedex and retcon old limitations with the new changes that get introduced. It's still dumb that Nidoran male and Nidoran female are still two separate species after they introduced sex mechanics physical gender differences, and gender based evolutions as a whole. It would not be hard to genderlock Gardevoir just as Gallade is genderlocked.
>>58507804It's the Japanese, they use western anesthetics for the looks than actually understanding it.>Sirknight Here's how an anon put it: >the japanese name is nicer honestlyI appreciate the doodle very much anon, but I do not enjoy the japanese name because grass fairy dolls should not be knights because they lack land and noble blood.
>>58507767more like >Gardevoir is a big mystical dancer elf guardianit's adding onto the progressionFairy type is because it's an empath even as ralts and emotions are now fairy territory even though it was originally portrayed as psychic type's territory.
>>58507817genderlocking gardevoir requires mechanically retconning all the male gardevoir that already exist. making female gallade is easier.
>>58507817Agreed but its GF. Starters are still majority male after nearly 30 years and we all know it started this way for breeding purposes. Still hasnt changed to this day even though starters are fairly easy to obtain now in game or via wifi.
>>58507834In the JP it's voice lines are majority of the time 'Saa" so it's more like it's acknowledging the trainer as it's master by calling them Sir.
>>58507860This is not difficult. If people want to transfer a male gard to pokemon home have a popup that tells users it will be changed to female or if they want to transfer to a game. They already do it for moves it is easy to program the same exact thing for gender stuff
>>58507811>Her hair looking like a helmet is a reach anon.??? Not really. What's it look like to you?>And being protective is this sense is more like a mother being protective of her child than a warrior raised to protect the innoncentOkay, but the gardevoir isn't in a mother/child dynamic with the trainer. She's in a subordinate role, the trainer is her master and she's his loyal protector.They're also exceptionally focused on protecting others in general. Princesses aren't known for sleeping upright in case they need to jump up and save someone, are they?
>>58507887Unironically a better Gallade bottom.Gardevoir is 10/10 but that onion butt always ruins Gallade for me.
>>58507887YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHI fucking love this picture, one of my favorite takes on the reverse sexual dimorphism
>>58507886they want to maintain contunuity and have trainers feel like they still ahve the same mon from a decade ago instead of reducing them to a bunch of numbers and mechanics. they care enough about that as it even being why IVs will always be hidden.
>>58507897I dont mind it but i get why people would be put off it. Gallade is one of the main pokemon i think of when that Sugimori quote about making something less cool to make it a pokemon/memorable comes up.
>>58507909That's so fucking fair, but I bet we could bring this argument right back around to >>58507438
>>58507896>??? Not really. What's it look like to you?Hair. A low cut, but still hair. >Okay, but the gardevoir isn't in a mother/child dynamic with the trainer. She's in a subordinate role, the trainer is her master and she's his loyal protector.Even taking the most literal interpretation of this. It's still a relationship of mutual protection, because YOU are her "Sirknight", you are the object of affection worth protecting>They're also exceptionally focused on protecting others in general. Princesses aren't known for sleeping upright in case they need to jump up and save someone, are they?Again, being protective IS part of being a princess, because they are at least partial leaders of a country, they are meant to protect their people, like a good ruler should. This isn't very hard to grasp
>>58507954How many species have a name that isn't descriptive of the Pokemon to begin with?
>>58507954>because YOU are her "Sirknight"So we just mutilating the English language now to play waifu wars
>>58507949>2004
>>58507949Fucking Fate casualsFirst of all Artoria is a King and Knight in equal measure, so doesn't serve anyone besides the people of Britan. Secondly, due to magic fuckery by Merlin, everybody literally saw her as a man. as in a literal man, nobody common ever knew the truth she was a woman, thus was allowed to be a knight and fufill those duties. Hence why it's a big deal to go down her romance route, because she's not used to be treated like a woman, to the point she forgot she even was one.
>>58508005nta but that's still a knight woman in dress though
I had no idea "Knight Gardevoir denialism" was a thing
>>58508035If it isn't a steel-type and doesn't use weapons like a lance or sword, it isn't a knight.
>>58507965Exactly. Every Pokemon name is a pun or reference of some sort, this is purely the case of not getting the joke >>58507969Motherfucker. This is her Japanese name, and it's her goddamn character, in every depection of Gardevoir in offical media, she's presented as relatively passive. The reason Daintha uses Gardevoir as an ace is because of the feminine design, and reflects her own duty as champion to look after the region. Which is based on France, which is where most tradtional fairy tales come from, next to Germany
>>58504421Gardevoir line still hasn't suffered from Dexcut
>>58508028Yes, but there's more to it than that. And she's not even the only or prime example
>>58508045>in every depection of Gardevoir in offical media, she's presented as relatively passivePlease be trollingAll of its dex entries are about how it has a strong bond and is protective of its trainer, to the extent that it would give its life in service of the trainer. That's literally what the point of this short was
>>58508035>>58508037This. Pokemon has never been subtle about its designs. if a Pokemon is based on a knight, they're going to make sure you know it's a goddamn knight
>>58508078Again, protective in a motherly sense. Not in a warrior sense. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
>>58507954>Hair. A low cut, but still hair.Hair that goes straight down the middle of her face, like how a helmet does?>Even taking the most literal interpretation of this. It's still a relationship of mutual protection, because YOU are her "Sirknight", you are the object of affection worth protectingI know there are badass princess characters like Zelda who participate in battles, but that's a bit of a subversion. Princesses typically don't fight.Why doesn't her species ever say "sanaito"? Why do they only say "sana san"?>Again, being protective IS part of being a princess, because they are at least partial leaders of a country, they are meant to protect their people, like a good ruler should.Sure, but they typically don't run out and personally fight in protection of random individuals, they aren't known for risking their own lives and sacrificing themselves in that way.
>>58508091that means gallade isn't a knight either. when they tried to overtly make its headpiece look more like a gladiator helmet.
>>58508073Nah, it definitely is made up.
>>58508121Because Gallade is based more on a fairy tale knight than an actual knight, a mythic hero, more based on Link than anything
>>58508215then so is gardevoir. since for both pokemon all the versions of their names are in some way based around the concepts of honor and duty.
>>58508109>Hair that goes straight down the middle of her face, like how a helmet does?Anon, those are bangs>I know there are badass princess characters like Zelda who participate in battles, but that's a bit of a subversion. Princesses typically don't fight.Because Pokemon is franchise built around combat, even meek Pokemon need some combat moves to justify themselves>Why doesn't her species ever say "sanaito"? Why do they only say "sana san"?Because it's more polite,befitting of royalty and a lady in waiting.>Sure, but they typically don't run out and personally fight in protection of random individuals, they aren't known for risking their own lives and sacrificing themselves in that way.It's a traditonal part of storytelling that a ruler should put their people ahead of themselves no matter the cost, despite how physically weak they may be. Hence Gardevoir being a psychic with low phyical attack and defense. I don't know about you, but the ideal knight should be physically fit enough to do their job in some way.
>>58508239Gardevoir is based on the fairy tail idea of a princess anon. Her name is based around honor and duty yes, but on the opposite end, as a ruler duty bound to protect those less in power in a less physical sense.
>>58507949
>>58508277nobody ever thinks of a princess as somebody who protects. the archetype is always a character who gets protected. they are always the ones with a loyal guardian at thier side. but guardevoir is the one in the subsurvient loyal guardian role.
>>58507654Psyking was probably that neuron dog from the concept art, it appears in Ralts' sprite file. Apart from the purple color, it was probably why the line was Amorphous
>>58508439A princess is a position of power. Most traditional stories try to frame the "good" rulers as someone who needs to be protected and saved, because they use their power to help their people.This isn't complicated
>>58508266>Anon, those are bangsWhen have you ever seen anyone with bangs that look like that?>Because Pokemon is franchise built around combat, even meek Pokemon need some combat moves to justify themselvesPokedex entries freely go against this, there are pokemon who are skittish and dislike fighting, like lopunny. Not all pokemon are fighting-focused badasses.>Because it's more polite,befitting of royalty and a lady in waiting.I don't get what you mean.Doesn't it seem strange that they would make a pokemon that's a reference to a lady calling out "sir knight!", but then never have her actually say the phrase that she's supposedly based on?>It's a traditonal part of storytelling that a ruler should put their people ahead of themselves no matter the cost, despite how physically weak they may be.I know that, but what I'm saying is that they aren't typically known for dedicating themselves to personally protecting people to the point where they revolve their sleeping patterns around it. They also aren't known for making themselves into basically someone's personal bodyguard. It's way too active to fall into the "brave ruler" trope. That trope is more happenstance, like they wind up in a situation where they incidentally get to show off their selflessness. Their main job is ruling. Gardevoir doesn't have any themes of being a ruler, she isn't depicted as being in charge of anything or as being anyone's leader.>Hence Gardevoir being a psychic with low phyical attack and defense. I don't know about you, but the ideal knight should be physically fit enough to do their job in some way.Game stats don't matter, canon ignores them. Also, magic projectile attacks are more cute and feminine.
>>58508472this is also a reach. much more of a reach than gardevoir's helmmet which we know is evocative of helmets when gallade's version was given a gladiator crest.
>>58508784>>58508948You're missing the point. Gardevior is based on a princess, princesses are royalty and are in high positions of political power, not physical power. If Gardevoir was ever meant to be based on a knight, she would be a fighting type, and have more physical moves. Because FIGHTING type is a hero type. How is it more of a reach to say Gardevoir is based on a princess and is more protective in a motherly sense than actively physical one? Again, the design does not scream "knight" at atll,. no matter how many times you throw the hair kinda looking like a helmet or the Pokedex saying how protective she is and nothing else, because protectivness isn't an inherently mascuine trait.
>>58508784>When have you ever seen anyone with bangs that look like that?Carmine
>>58509041Carmine is subhuman she doesn't count.
pokemon devs do interviews all the time, someone should ask them to spill the beans on gardevoirs design to put to rest if it was meant to be a knight or not
>>58509114What if all the above?
>>58509114Sugimori might not even remember. It was over twenty years ago.
>>58509114Yeah... All.
>>58508996because a mon can have feminine and mystical qualities and sitll be based on a knight. instead of "durr it's a knight so it has to be steel type and physical attacker". it's called sirknight because a knight is the clearest representation of the kind of guardian gardevoir is meant to evoke. it's called gardevoir in english to also evoke a dutiful retainer image.
>>58507949>''I Ask Of You...Are You My Pokemon Master?''
>>58507592"Saar" jokes are writing themselves, but I will abstain.
>>58509114You forgot to include the little guardian angel with a toddler appearance and a big GREEN hat.
>>58508996>Gardevior is based on a princess>How is it more of a reach to say Gardevoir is based on a princessThere's nothing princessy about her.>protectivness isn't an inherently mascuine trait.She's not supposed to be masculine.
>>58509849Anon. GF and Pokemon in general are NOT subtle about what their inspirations are. You aren't supposed to think this much, because their designs are self evident. Gardevoir is princess, end of story>>58510475>She's not supposed to be masculine.Being a knight effectively means being a solider or warrior, which is something thought of being male roles, and thus are masculine>There's nothing princessy about her.Yes, clearly there's nothing princess-y about her being protective, her soft feminine features, the fact it looks like she's wearing a dress. and prevolution being a ballerina, which most ballets being about traditional fariy tales, the most famous of which being about a princess. No, nothing princess-y about her at all. Clearly knight is what every piece of offical art is going for
>>58510622Plenty of female knight characters in fiction exist.Wearing a dress and being female doesn't make you a princess. She's never shown as ruling over anything / being in charge of anything / being anything's superior. She doesn't do anything that's particularly princessy aside from being female. Is being someone's personal bodyguard princessy? I'm pretty sure princesses aren't known for that. She doesn't even say that phrase that's associated with princesses. It's just not there.
>>58510933Female knights do in fact exist in fiction anonBut Gardevoir is not one, nor is she based on one, and I've already explained how she's protective in a maternal sense, I'm going to repeat myself
>>58505116I dunno, Kirlia's design with the pig tails always made it pretty obvious it was supposed to be a cutesy humanoid species to me.
the knight element is subtle. it protects you and has hair that slightly resembles a helmet if you squint and thats where it ends. thats so subtle that you cant really call it a knight t.b.h. its just subservient and strong. its a good thing theyre trying to forget the elements about it that feel too male. gardevoir should be a female waifu that protects you and not some creepy androgynous alien in a dress. they definitely fucked up big by not making it a female species and regret it now.
>>58510960But how is it princessy or maternal if she's a subordinate ride-or-die bodyguard partner? Princesses aren't bodyguards. Mothers sort of are in a way, but they aren't subordinate to their children.
>>58509849NTAIdk if this is of anything of value but before internet had messed up my mind and the first time I had seen Gardevoir, my initial thought was that this looks like a girl with a bob cut that has unusual bangs for flair and wearing a long skirt / dress / wedding gown along with a feminine body. When I saw Kirlia to be a ballerina I went "yea this is definitely meant to be designed as a girl". The hair is the only visual cue you can argue to be directly referencing a knight's helmet but it's not good enough. I agree with >>58508091 and >>58510622 about you not being supposed to think hard about what it represents, and that either they were at least visually referencing something else than a knight here or they did a suck ass job at conveying it.On the other hand there is no mistaking Gallade to be something else than a warrior / knightly like creature that uses blades as his combat method in your initial look.Also note that I'm talking purely in the visual aspect and not delving into the names and what they supposed to mean.
>>58511673I remember immediately thinking it was helmet-looking mixed with a bob cut look. I'm surprised anyone could see it from the front and not immediately think "oh, it kinda looks like a helmet".
>>58502599They even gave her boobs by using the shadows, crazy
>>58511691It looks like a bob cut with hair hanging over one eye. It never looked like a helmet to me.
>>58504421>XYIt was since this piece of shit came to existence.Gardevoir used to be an androginous knight-like psychic servant.Then this piece of shit became the male version to feminize Gardevoir.Then they gave Gardevoir the fairy tranny type for no reason.
>>58511982The fact that they felt the need to make a male only version only counters your point. They have always intended for people to view gardevoir as feminine. Enough with this androginous cope
>>58504448Mega Gardevoir technically counts as Kalos
>>58510960>Female knights do in fact exist in fiction anon>do in fact exist in fictionWhat does "in fact" mean in this sentence?
>>58502599They must know at this point that everyone wants to fuck Gardevoir.
>>58512445Speak for yourself, degenerate, I only want to hold hands with one.
>>58505116>cute yet mysterious alien-like creature That is literally the perfect waifu material in the first place.
>>58511982Gallade's arm blades always pissed me off because then Bisharp comes out and does an actual knife thing that looks like it could function.
>>58505116furfags are the ones who constantly try to say "its not that bad" and "youre overreacting" when you say the new designs are dogshitutterly fucking pathetic tasteless simps
>>58512547that's gay
>>58512593A gay old time.
>>58502599So which one is a boy, and which one's the girl?
That was a cute episode. Sirnight is so cool!! Are any of the other poketoons worth watching?
>>58505160>>58507133I don't buy this "paladin" theme at all. Gardevoir was clearly always feminine and they fucked up hard by not making it a female-locked line with a male split. It's no coincidence that Kirlia is extremely feminine(nobody associates little boys with tutus) and Gardevoir's height and weight are the global female averages(though the average weight has gone up since her creation due to the obesity epidemic) for a 'mon that has a built-in dress.If Iron Valiant was the original design then I would be behind the paladin theory 100% but it's not. Kirlia/Gardevoir are extremely feminine.
>>58513108Even as early as Brawl, Nintendo acknowledges that it is feminine, it's pretty clearly designed to be a long elegant dress. This idea that Gardevoir was "le creepy alien" or "totally a masculine paladin" is utter nonsense. Gardevoir is and always has been a feminine Pokemon designed to look like a woman in a dress.
>>58513108I kinda do think there's an appeal for a male Gardevoire outside of the troon stuff. The knight motif works quite well when you consider that a lot of courtly romance books focus on weirdly feminine knights. Their feminine traits don't take away from their heroic nature at all
>>58513130that's exclusive to the north american trophy descitiopn. which are almost universally totally different form the european and japanese descriptions.Plus a pokemon can have superficially feminine elements and still not be female. same thing the other way around of course. THE gardevoir. the only gardevoir every player is guaranteed to see, was still the hardcoded male ace of a male trainer.Gardevoir is also notably taller than the average humanoid mon who tend to be 4'11 exactly ever since alakazam. iron valiant was made 4'11 which jsut makes gardevoir and gallde stand out kmore.
My biggest issue with gardevoir and gallade is just the texture. Is the helmet hard? Is it fur? Is the dress tendrils actually part of their body, like hair, or actually clothes. Is gallade's tutu flesh, fuzz, or something else entirely.
>>58513840It's all meat, Garvevior's "dress" are just flesh feelers, like sylveon.
this is the kind of knight helmet gardevoir evokes. the influence of berserk means the this helmet design pops up all over japanese media in order to signify graceful and elegant knights like griffith. ghallade takes the helmet and shifts it toward a more gladiator's helm direction similar to Ultraseven (remember Ultraseven is the original inspiration for pokemon as a whole) indicating a more physical fighter. this type of gladiator helmet is pictured in >>58509114
>>58513840they are pokemon. it's all part of their bodies. but they are body parts meant to evoke helmets. they aren't just going to be wearing clothes.
>>58513840I've just seen Kirlia's animations in Battle Revolution and they were definitely hair. I think Gallade (at least green parts) and Gardevoir's is also hair that is soft but tends to preserve its shape.GF tends to dodge the cloth talk and just says it's skin, but iirc there were concept arts from the leak that were implying some mons wearing clothes.
>>58509114>>58509164It would be funny if Sugimori and his team just saw an onion and that's it, it's a new filler Pokémon.While they spent months overdesigning a Pokémon like Exploud, his Magnus Opus, and it's completely forgotten, while Onionmon gets all the glory.
>>58505126What are you, fucking 12? Acting like kawaii and moe are new concepts.
>>58514235>Onion KnightChosen as champion by the holy Helix
>>58507949Are You My Master?
I think it's time to just admit that Gardevoir is an awful design in general. Never had a solid concept (no, your collage of random similar silhouettes doesn't make it "le multiple inspirations kino"!) and what concepts it does attempt to invoke are paper thin and poorly conveyed. They needed to narrow it down because IF it really does have 15 inspirations, it doesn't do anything cool with any of them. It is bland, confusing, and kind of ugly, even among the Hoenn dex which is full of purposely ugly and overdesigned mons. I remember seeing Gardevoir the first time and thinking it was just a kind of ugly shitmon that got wrecked by two Leaf Blades. I remember seeing Ralts and then Kirlia and decided it wasn't worth training up. I remember not thinking much at all about Gardevoir after that for several years until I found out that she was a huge waifu mon and being totally confused about who the fuck ever cared about it in the first place.I thought Gallade looked badass though, sword arms are based.Modern waifu Gardevoir is cringe, but at least they found a direction to take a messy, nothing design in.
>>58502599that gardevoir is male btw
>>58514389Original post Nr. 54467.
>>58514222I need to know what it feels like. Is it like a hairless cat? Fine fuzz like a pig? Bat wings? Cloth? Is it something that grows endlessly and needs to be trimmed? If it snags on a bench is gardevoir hurt or annoyed? These are important questions!
Notice how there's tons of evidence pointing towards Gardevoir being a princess, or the very least a noble lady in a dress. And the only evidence is her hair kinda looking like a helmet, and stretching what protection means in this context.
>>58514465The white skin is smooth and soft with microscopic pores like a Beluga, the hair is highly keratinized to emulate a natural helmet, so it should feel similar to the plates of a pangolin (those plates are just specialized fur), finally the parts of dead skin like the dress are still soft, but cold to the touch as they no longer have blood vessels.
>>58514465Maybe like a gecko tail. If it falls off it grows back just the right amount.
>>58514659>the hair is highly keratinized to emulate a natural helmetor an exaggerated version of hair stiffened with hairsprayIt would be interesting to show that Gardevoir secretes a substance to harden its skin and hair like armor, but certain attacks can remove it leaving a Gardevoir with hair down
>>58514560She's an onion
>>58514560Being a loyal protector is the #1 overarching aspect of its entire personality.
>>58505546>all the new Mega TCG cards just go straight from their pre-evo to Mega, without their base formthat is stupid as hell
>>58514763Sir Onion Knight for thou, peasant
>>58514773There's a certain detail this argument overlooks>It unleashes psychokinetic energy at full power when protecting a Trainer it has bonded closely with.>To protect its Trainer, it will expend all its psychic power to create a small black hole.>Gardevoir has the psychokinetic power to distort the dimensions and create a small black hole. This Pokémon will try to protect its Trainer even at the risk of its own life.The phrasing is important, notice how they're saying it takes "ALL" of Gardevoir's strength to do this, meaning its a last resort, its not something she's capable of at all times, just something she only capable of doing sometimes if pushed to the absolute limitA knight can't do that. A knight has to be able to work at full strength at all times, they have to be strong at all times. Oh there's also this dex entry you curiously leave out>It will dedicate itself to defending a master it has come to adore. Its pure white dress, reminiscent of those worn by ladies of nobility, is the dress of one who is willing to risk their life.Gee, it's almost like she's supposed to be royalty or something, because her actual motif and not a fucking palidin.
>>58514880I'm not one of the anons who said she's supposed to be masculine or androgynous. She's supposed to be a beautiful, feminine creature who's, maybe surprisingly, also a brave and selfless protector, which is what that dex entry emphasizes.
>>58514933Yes, but being a protector does not necessarily mean being combat focused
>>58513853>his helmet design pops up all over japanese media in order to signify graceful and elegant knights like griffith>filename: GriffithPrisonerHelmet
>>58514951I don't think it expends its psychic energy to form a black hole with the purpose of protecting its trainer from ignorance about Hawking radiation.
>>58515364It's also a last resort, as previously mentioned, its not something can or will do if other options are open
>>58515375Just like a knight, if a knight could create black holes.
>>58515419No, a knight doesn't use "all their strength" in a single desperate move, they use their strength effectively and that's enoughAn experienced fighter knows when and how to use their strength, like a knight would.
>The original Princess Knight (Sapphire)>Gardevoir introduced in Pokemon Sapphire
>>58515476Presumably she wouldn't use the black hole ability unless she felt had to.
>>58515476Do you mean if, say, no other options were open, it would use all its strength as a last resort?
>>58515841Hence it being a last resort. >>58515844If there's no other options, then you have no choice. That doesn't mean you go for that option every time. In any case, that's not something a knight, even in-training, would do.
>>58515868Right, unlike Gardevoir, who spams its signature move Black Hole in every game it's featured in.
>>58515896>He doesn't set up Trick Room>He doesn't have coverage moves that make up for Gardevoir's weaknesses
>>58515937Well I'm sorry but opening with Black Hole, which is a real move and Gardevoir's signature attack, is too fun.
>>58515964Better hope they don't have an Absol or Scizor
>>58515339lol, lmao even
Here's a boy gardevoir from the anime: https://youtu.be/C1867VhLiXU
>>58515339uh yes an image of griffith's helmet has a filename indicating so?
>>58514880knights are nobility. so are squires
>>58516567Indicating that this helmet was worn while Griffith was being mutilated and having his guts rearranged by a deformed midget.
>>58516581it's the same design as his femto helmet and his normal helmet, just with a padlock
>>58516602Would have been nice to use that instead.Not that it matters because all Griffith's helmet reminds me of is rape.
>>58516580>LADIES of nobility
>>58516660>written 2 decades after the fact and is also an in-universe statementand a princess wouldn't have a master. gardevoir is still being put squarely in a subservient role. a pokemon like tsareena is the one that gets queenly/princess-like descriptions and the two of them hasve totally different vibes. one is proud and arrogant, the other dutiful selfless. a guardian, even a feminine guardian, even a motherly caring gurdian is still not a princess.
>>58504403
>>58516739>Doesn't count because...it came later, and is in-universeThey're ALL in-universe statements you dip.Stop moving the goalpost, there's nothing knightly about Gardevior
>>58516956Her name is literally Sir Knight.
>>58517250Because it's a gag, talking to you, her "Sirknight" because Pokemon can only say their names in-universe as per anime lore which the games mostly followHer name is a fucking joke, a play on words setting. She is not literally a "Sirknight" she is saying that to you. Pokemon makes jokes and puns with all of their mons and characters, the localization team ruined that joke, which happens all the time. Stop overthinking it. Gardevoir is not a knight, Gardevoir has never been a knight. She any number of female archetypes in fairy tales, which the ultimate theme of the fucking line. Ralts is based on a victorian child in a night gown, Kirlia is based on a ballerina, they only evolve into Gallade with a special evolution stone and its males only and Gallade is based on a traditonal fairy tales hero. Why the FUCK would Gardevoir be based on a night, when the rest of the line doesn't even hint that she would.
>>58517317Are you one of the people who believed Fairy type wouldn't be added to the game?
>>58517339What exactly is your point where?
>>58517508I'm gay for you
>>58517508You're coping pretty hard.
>>58516956>there's nothing knightly about GardeviorAside from dedicating herself to guarding the life of her master.>>58517317>Her name is a fucking joke, a play on words setting. She is not literally a "Sirknight" she is saying that to you.None of the gardevoirs ever say "sanaito".
>>58517524I'm not the one coping>>58517529We've been over this again and again, in this thread. Do you have ANY other piece of evidence to support your claim?
Do you think Mawile and Roselia get pissed about being the other gen 3 humanoid waifumons that got massively overlooked in favor of Gardevoir? Do you think in a world with no Gardevoir either rose to take her place?
>>58517638In a world without Gardevoir Lopunny would be the undisputed number 1
>>58517317if they meant sirknight like you seem to think they did then its english named wouldn't be gardevoir. sirknight and gardevoir are trying to get across the same idea. a dutiful loyal protector. it's the defining characteristic of the mon and the one thing that hasn't changed in 2 decades.
>>58517638those are cutemons not waifumons
>>58517831>Western localizers ruin the pointShocker
>>58517831How good of a grip did they have on English localizers back then?
>>58517845https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%82%B5%E3%83%BC%E3%83%8A%E3%82%A4%E3%83%88the names are like that in every language not just english, they all go out of their way to hit the same theme. and in some of them like korean it is literally just called "guardian". also note that japanese audinces obviously interpret the name sirknight literally and believe the only reason it changed in other languages is that the title sir excludes women in english.
>>58502599the ralts pokedex always made think it was some kind of elf or forrest goblin that pretends to be human to prey on people. Ralts specifically mimick human babies. They're brood parasites.>"ph my heckin cute changling i love her"hook line and sinker. >>58507405its egg group was "amorphous" not human like, it was clearly some kind of spirit, sprite or ghost.
this is what gallade is supposed to be a dork
gallade's fat hips are just too silly, he should have had a cape to match gardevoirs dress
>>58513781Don't disagree with the rest of it but that description is, mostly, accurate to the original. Here's the JP one.The important part is 女性を思わせる優雅な姿だが、オスとメスの両方が存在する。Anyway the point isn't that all Gardevoirs are female, it's that it was clearly designed to be feminine, in the same way Kirlia was clearly designed to be feminine.
>>58519891>spiriti wouldn't interpret that is "its meant to be fmininine": but as "people are seeing it as feminine so we need to be explicit that they aren't necessarily female" Alakazam even has gender differences for female members of the species with the shorter mmoustaches but they still have moustaches. that if naything means they went and took a look back at alakazam's design and decided the stache was just how they look and not an indication of masculinity even though the inspiration was a specific guy. kirlia has ballerina inspiration directly but didn't think about gender implications. just animal that look like a ballerina.
The only reason why anyone likes Gardevoir is because they saw Wally get one, and they wanted one themselves. It also helps the mon is pretty strong
>>58513781>that's exclusive to the north american trophy descitiopn. which are almost universally totally different form the european and japanese descriptions.Retarded redditor telling lies.>>58520246Nobody cares about Wally. He was the worst rival until Bianca but Bianca got redeemed hard in the sequel (and Cheren improved a lot too) so Wally was back to being the worst.
>>58520100Alakazam was created before pokemon had genders.
>>58505116>furfagsGardevoir is the closest we've ever gotten to "just a human in a costume" in Pokemon
>>58520686Until Meowscarada.
>>58505160>Was always meant to be a paladinThe Emerald sprite literally looks like she's busty due to optical illusion and she has literal twintails in stage 2.This is a dead rat that was already dead on arrival.
>>58520650it was also created before gender differences and they went back and gave it one.>>58521227the RSE sprite is the least human gardevoir ever looked. back then the only way you could waifu it was by going off the pokemon colosseum model.
>>58521379They gave one to pretty much everything. You put way too much emphasis on that decision. As mentioned, Starters are msotly male in code, jsut for breeding purposes. It doesn't mean anything lore-wise.
>>58521393it does have lore implications because they have restricted breeding in order to enforce their rarity. starters being almost completely unseen in the wild is acknowledged in-universe. and a skewed gender ratio in their population is a pretty realistic way they would end up having small numbers.kricketune also followed the exact same shorter moustache rather than no moustache method as alakazam.
>>58520100That doesn't really change much about how they're perceived by everyone in the real world though because mustaches obviously carry a gendered connotation and Game Freak knew this when they made these designs. If people started going "Machamp wasn't intended to look like a big muscular man ackshually" people would think you're trolling
