The worst thing about modern pokemon is that the setting doesn't feel like a fantasy world anymore, it's just the real world but with pokemon in it. I don't like how there's streamers and amazon and things like that, why would I watch some girl play tetris when I can go on an adventure with my partner? Why are there amazon delivery trucks when pelipper and dragonite have always delivered letters and packages? I lament the loss of what pokemon was before gen 6-7 and fully blame the idiot fans who just want pokemon to be a pet simulator. "Ohhh I love pokemon but I don't like battling and exploring I just want a comfy time with my pikachonker :D" This really cemented itself as the new thing in gen 8 and I need to know if anyone else feels this way or if I'm just an autismo
>>58516265Dude, the Generation 1 games are the real world with Pokemon in it. Wouldn't it just imply them returning to their roots?
I can see your point, but i think that's more a Gen 3/4 thing specifically
>>58516265You literally have it backwards. Old Pokemon is just the real world with Pokemon in it and modern Pokemon is more of a fantasy world. It sounds like you're just looking for another cope to make Unova look good and screech about Gen 6.
>>58516323There was still an inherent fantasy element to it that's lost nowadays. My favorite gen is gen 3, I like Unova but not to the extent that a lot of people online do. The first four regions were all based on Japan but they still felt like an actual fantasy world not held down by it's basis like modern regions, I don't see the need for regions to just be place, pokemon. The peak of this was gen 8 being way too British for my liking, gen 9 wasn't totally committed to being Spain which was nice but I don't think that was intentional I'm sure that was just gamefreak being lazy. Gen 1 did mention real world places but they never explicitly state that you're in Japan so it felt disconnected from all of that.
>>58516373what is the real life equivalent of Kanto called again...?
>>58516265Early Pokemon had sci-fi concepts for its time, like having the PC boxes which kept your Pokemon like a pseudo internet, Bill changing bodies with a Clefairy, goggles that let you see hidden ghosts made by a mega corporation (Sylph Corp), etc.It just so happens that they started adding more current tech concepts like streamers.
>>58516265Ok
>>58516298This. Gen 1 is just urban degeneration with Pokemon thrown in.
>>58516265Other than the presence of Pokemon, how do Kanto or Johto feel like fantasy worlds?
I do miss the old technology Pokemon used to have, it felt sci-fi but grounded. It had a very 90s era understanding of tech but made things like teleporters, infinite storage PCs, whatever Bill was cooking up, Pokeballs, ect. It kind of reminded me of how Toriyama would illustrate tech or use tech. Nowadays, we've drifted far from that kind of tech in the franchise. I'm not sure if I'd blame the fans or just blame Gamefreak chasing trends and wanting to stay modern in the public eyein general. I've been told the old styles of anime and cartoons aren't very popular in Japan right now, so maybe that's part of it?
>>58516522You are right but I do get what OP means though. Gen 1 didnt exactly have a lot of ultra modern stuff like streamers, phones etc... if they did they had their one version of it like the pokedex for example or the pokegear and poketch. They still made an effort to seperate the two. Thats what I think OP is referring to
>>58516265>it's just the real world but with pokemon in it.That is literally what it always was. It's the real world, but with Pokemon instead of animals.
>>58516603>Gen 1 didnt exactly have a lot of ultra modern stuff like streamers, phones etc...Stuff like the Pokedex, PokeGear, and PokeNev were seen as "futuristic" at the time. It's just that real world technology caught up.The anime also had Ash doing video calls with Professor Oak
>>58516373>Gen 1 did mention real world places but they never explicitly state that you're in Japan so it felt disconnected from all of that.Kanto has the same name as the real world region it's inspired by, and Lt. Surge was explicitly an American soldier
>>58516603This is pretty much what I meant yeah, I didn't articulate it too well thank you. I think everyone prefers the past's idea of the future compared to what the future ended up being.
>>58516675So, what you meant to say is you want to feel like a kid again
>>58516668from an interview we know that the route from pallet town to pewter city is based on tajiri's neighbourhoodand american soldiers that live in japanese bases was a standards after ww2
>>58516265why is anyone pretending that Gens 3 and 4 weren't already far removed from what Pokemon was originally, there's a reason the whole "genwunner" vs "newgenner" fighting came to be
>>58516265I think it's a general problem, not a Pokémon problem; I see it everywhere.Your image is proof of that. We've lost the ability to imagine. Nowadays, instead of that super-cool computer full of gadgets, the girl would have a tablet.
>>58516711That's literally just a fucking laptop
>>58516603Gen 1 absolutely did have "modern" stuff, in terms of what was modern back then
>>58516711We didn't lose the ability to imagine, most of the technology we "imagined" in the 80s and 90s does exist now
>>58516265I think they made life in the Pokemon world feel more mundane in order for it to make more sense that your 11-17 player character is treated like some super strong exceptional trainer. Because it seems like it would be super easy for any trainer to have a strong team, get gym badges, etc. But most humans in the Pokemon world take their fantastical world for granted, and just want to chill.
>>58516265>why would I watch some girl play tetris when I can go on an adventure with my partner?The majority of people in this world are not Pokemon Trainers, that has always been the case
>>58516829This, the characters the series focuses on make up a very small minority of the Pokemon's world society. The rest are average Joes working working 9-5s
>>58516852Didn't the original version of Pokémon said that becoming a trainer was a giant gamble? Many of the trainers only have a short adventure and go back home to get a job or finishing their careers.But a professional Pokémon Trainer? Red was the very first to "achieve" that. Sure, the E4 existed, but there was no legit Champion until Blue arrived. And Blue Oak came from a "legendary" lineage where one of his ancestors was good enough to reach the top 50 trainers (If I remember correctly), and this made the people of "Purity" Town change its name for the hero: Pallet Oak.>Inb4 unnecesary edge of the original scriptI'm just saying. According to the old script, trainers from Pallet Town BARELY break into the best 1000 trainers. And suddenly in the 90s, Pallet Town has not one but TWO trainers who reached the title of Champion. AKA, the Number 1 Trainer.
Not feeling like a fantasy world is exactly what the appeal of Pokemon was.
Zoomers be like>smartphones didn't exist back in the 90s? Woah grandpa that was just like a fantasy series!Nobody thought of old Pokemon as a fantasy, for gen 1 the anime had a way stronger influence to the image of the franchise than the games themselves, and the gen 1 anime showed very clear modern cities full of infrastructure and scifi gadgets.
>>58516298Coincidentally the best gens.
>>58516701Why is anyone pretending that the genwunner thing ever had anything to do with the substance of the games? Genwunners were always just clout-chasing normalfags who never cared about Pokemon in and of itself. They hopped on the Pokemon bandwagon when it was new, lost interest when Pokemania ended, and then suddenly decided they liked Pokemon again in the early 2010s when it came time for them to hop on the '90s nostalgia fad. The only reason they got angry at Pokemon for not being permafrozen in 1998 isn't because they did some nerdy analysis of how the worldbuilding had changed and concluded that they didn't like the new direction. They don't think that deeply about anything. It's because they're narcissists who view media as an accessory for their identity, so they interpreted any changes at all as an attack on their childhood.
I blame all the niggers who think that regions are 1:1 countries. Like, nigga, New York does not have mountain ranges and multiple biomes, it is not New York
>>58517076I vaguely recall what that anon is talking about. It's from one of the really early novelizations back from before they really had decided on a tone for the series and the writer just kinda threw shit in there like it was a cheap star wars novel
>>58516265>why would I watch some girl play tetris when I can go on an adventure with my partner?you can say basically the same thing about people in real lifelike why are you posting here instead of going on a walk with your dog
>>58517230>Like, nigga, New York does not have mountain rangesC'mon anon, I'm from the West Coast and even I know about the Catskills, it's a pretty well known region in New York.
>>58516265Gen 1 is literally the least fantasy world like pokemon setting lol.
>>58517230Nobody thinks they're in 1:1, even cartoons that explicitly take place in the "real world" will have places that don't exist IRL
>>58516265honestly something like genshin's world is a lot closer to what I'd expect a pokemon setting to be likenot just the mons but the environments themselves being endowed with the various elements
The world being more or less the same as the real world but with Pokemon instead of animals is exactly the appeal of Pokemon, it's a world that's very easy to imagine yourself in
>>58517342Mystery Dungeon has environments like that, because it's a setting inhabited entirely by Pokemon
>>58516323>It sounds like you're just looking for another cope to make Unova look good and screech about Gen 6.why are you always making every thread about this made-up genwar that nobody actually fights? Why are you trying to claim unovabortions are always making threads to subtly shift discourse like some schizo?
>>58517342Agreed. I like the style of it as well. Its not cartoony nor it is overly anime-like. Pokemon's world in the style of Teyvat would work really well
>>58517738>screech about gen 6>specifically>even though gen 5 was the gen that started the things OP is screeching about>”wh-why are you assuming OP is a unova shill?”
>>58517893absolute schizophrenia
>the first four games felt like a fantasy game, not just the real world>world feels too real the moment it starts to have western regions as the basishmm maybe they felt like a fantasy world because you're kinda in your own lil bubble of 'western society' and once pokemon was SET in that western bubble it got too real? tfw japan is a fantasy land ig
Kanto gave me more sci-fi versus fantasy vibes, honestly, and I do miss that old feeling. Stuff like creating a deformed evil/misunderstood clone of a cute and pure floating pink cat thing to use as a weapon, or creating the first ever digital Pokémon which can be evolved with an official update and black market malware, the Silph Co, Poké Balls feeling like a cutting-edge invention, taming vs befriending the wild beasts, the vaguely "grittier" edge to everything, the existence of actual ghosts, the focus on the PC, the Game Corner where you can literally buy Pokémon, a more realistic evil team, and so on. Johto felt like a purposeful contrast to Kanto in a way that strengthened the themes of both, but after that, the vibes slowly but surely started to shift. The Poké Ball retcon was the point of no return for me, though.
>>58518480>The Poké Ball retcon was the point of no return for me, though.But that's apricorns in gen 2.
>>58518484I see no reason why Kurt couldn't have been putting regular Poké Ball technology in his custom shells, giving them special properties.
>>58518499Even the Hisuian ones weren't made of Apricorns alone, they also required Tumblestones and Iron to make.Modern Poke Balls however are confirmed to be electronic since they can be wirelessly disabled (this happens numerous times in the anime, and in the games, Aether Paradise having a signal that disable all empty Poke Balls, and the Paradise Protection Protocol disabling all Poke Balls now owned by Sada/Turo)
I think there should be fantasy like wild areas alongside grounded urban cities and towns. There's only so much grassland, deserts and snowlands that you can explore until you eventually get bored of it all. Add some interesting landmarks to spice it up, like a big fossil in the middle of the desert or something. Having a world full of magical creatures, that defy comprehension, exist in the plainest setting just feels weird.
>>58517738I can't believe there are people on this board who still don't know about yawnfag and the sharty. This is one of their strategies to shit up every discussion on /vp/.
>>58518523Yep. Putting on my thinking cap here, it can only be surmised that whatever properties the tumblestones and iron possess when combined must emit some sort of signal or energy that interferes with the magical biology of Pokémon's bodies and forces them to shrink, with varying effectiveness. And then modern Poké Balls would be recreating this effect via electronic means which are also capable of digitizing the Pokémon in the process (hence why the PC works, and Pokémon can be directly transferred between ball and PC).
>>58518523I wonder what happens when pokeballs break down or malfunction. Do you have to take them in for regular maintenance once or twice a year?
>>58517738>I lament the loss of what pokemon was before gen 6-7Are you retarded? Why wouldn't you conclude OP is a genwarring 5fag?
>>58517342Genshin is what a modern pokemon game should look like visually.Good looking but still anime instead of Western pixar aesthetics.But it would never look as good as Genshin anyway because pokemon is held back by both Nintendo's shitty handhelds and by the low budget of the games
>>58517342I think Genshin looks good but I dunno It’d be kinda boring if I open up Pokemon and it just looks like im playing Genshin.
>>58516265Pokemon has always been a reflection of the times, get fucked
It always had modern tech, it was just a heavily more natural world with our tech. That is still the case. The first anime had video phones. You only dislike it because you built up the setting in your head a specific way.
>>58516265It was never a fantasy world, you watch too much of the ashnime.
Always good to see genwarring OP's to be BTFO'ed instantly with facts and logic.
Gen 1-4 is the aftermath of the pokejapan region being nuked by USnova
>>58516265vtubers won
>>58516472Canthough
>>58516265The worst thing about the modern world is that the world doesn't feel like a real world anymore, it's just the real world but with pokemon in it. I don't like how there's streamers and amazon and things like that, why would I watch some girl play tetris when I can go on an adventure with my partner? Why are there amazon delivery trucks when pelipper and dragonite have always delivered letters and packages? I lament the loss of what the world was before 2025 and fully blame the idiot cultists who just want pokemon to be real. "Ohhh I love pokemon but I don't like battling and exploring in the videogame I just want a comfy time with my pikachonker irl :D" This really cemented itself as the new normal and I need to know if anyone else feels this way or if I'm just an autismo
>>58516603>>58516265>>58516323>>58516373Gen 1 was made with an nostalgic undercurrent built into the vibe of the world. It was made with the creator looking back on his own past childhood in mind. Due to this the games carry this sense of "the good old days" and maybe even a melancholic longing to return to those times.>The gen 1 art watercolor is reminiscent of faded overexposed vintage photographs. >The way the characters dress is indicative of a simpler more naïve time, the rural -> urbanizing backdrop gives a feeling like your experiencing the last gasps of a soon to be bygone era.>You have Dojo's and seemingly novel technology emerging which reinforces the sense that there's still a connection to the oldJuxtapose that with contemporary pokemon, the world is extremely up-to-date. Everything from the aesthetic trappings and contexts (like gyms being sports stadiums akin to soccer), to even the experiences of the creators themselves. Going to Hawaii for S/M to research was a new experience for many on the team, going to NY to research BnW was a new experience for many on the team, etc. Nu-Pokemon is made to be contemporary, to appeal to current kids and their current circumstances/contexts. Old-Pokemon was made so that an older generation could share their childhood experiences with kids of that time.Older gens also felt WAY more coming of age coded, pic related.Whether intentional or not, Pokemon has certainly changed its design philosophy over the years drastically.
>>58516265>it's just the real world but with pokemon in it. >that one time when Kalos colonized Galar in 1066>that one time when Galar (ruled by a Kalosi house) invaded Kalos to claim to throne>that one time when a Galarian explorer got killed in Alola>that one time when Kalos helped Unovan rebels against Galar>that one time when Kalos took over the continent until a Galarian general defeated their emperor>that one time when Unova fire bombed Kanto and nuked Hoenn after they attacked Alola
Ok boomer, I get it, you don't like vtubers.
>>58518971Yes, different directors with different life experiences and tastes are going to have different interpretations of Pokemon. This isn't the earth-shattering observation you seem to think it is.
>>58517342They are making its own pkmn with honkai anima thank God, pokeslop can't compete
>>58518971Those greentext points seems like a reach.Yeah Pokemon has some "sense of adventure like childhood" like how japanese kids hunt for beetles during summer, but I doubt that aspect was implemented in every nook and cranny of the game.
>>58518861The anime itself is what debunked it being a "fantasy world", it also had real world references.
>>58517230I grew up in the Catskill mountains in New York
>>58516265Blame Japan. This is a trend in all their writing. They are under a state of total cultural oppression. Every Japanese story has become “x but in modern Japan” even when they write an archaic setting they still infuse it with modern Japanese cultural issues.
>>58519088Z-A does reference Kalos and Galar having bad relations in the past though.
>>58520684and it still lingers in the present
>>58516917Didn't know there was a character called Pallet Oak
>>58516917This also comes up in the anime itself when Ash asks Oak what happened to the other two Pallet Town trainers (the ones who picked Bulbasaur and Charmander). Oak says they quit because they weren't skilled enough to get eight badges
>>58519802I don't think that every part of the game was geared toward that goal, but that they are natural byproducts of a general tone and vision for the game.Like I don't think Sugimori intentionally used watercolors to evoke a vintage feeling, but regardless the effect is the same when compared to his contemporary look which makes use of digital tools and a more "literal" color palate interpretation.>>58519683Why are you assuming it was an earth-shattering observation? ..Or that I thought it was...seems like projection.
