>Team Flare admins don't even have names and are just a generic trainer classWhy did XY do their evil team so dirty?
>>58517649I think their female grunts are really hot
The whole plot of XY was clearly unfinished. Doesn't AZ just show up like once before the Team Flare hideout?
>>58517665Yep, he appears once before team flare (route 13 iirc, the desert area) then again during team flare, and then one more time before the credits. ZA fixed Kalos story
>Team Plasma don't even have adminsWhy did BW do their evil team so dirty?
>>58517682The whole plot of BW was clearly unfinished. Don’t the Sages just show up like once before N’s Castle?
>>58517649The harsh truth is that XY felt incomplete because they are just average souless rushed games, especially compared to the greatness that came before it. For that reason GF moved on from XY instead of making the usual 3rd version that every single Gen got and left the shitty boring Kalos totally forgotten in their basement, until now with PLZA which has the chance of doing something right but we are not in Gen 6 anymore but in Gen 9. Even when it comes to Megas most people think of ORAS and the multiverse shit instead of XY.
>>58517689Yep, they appear once and don’t even battle you. Unova’s story still needs to be fixed.
who was lamer, Team Flare or Gold/Silver Team Rocket?
>>58517689Yawnie, AZ was meant to be an important character like N, who appears 6 times
>>58517697>She never played BW2
>>58517682>>58517689>>58517697Parroting is an admission of defeat.
>>58517649The scientists were supposed to be the admins
>>58517699Sagie, the sages were meant to be important characters like AZ, who appears 4 times
>>58517649Yeah but they looked good
>>58517756Thank you for admitting defeat.
>>58517698Team Flare because they play a larger role in the plot of the game but are still pathetic
>>58517682Zinzolin
>>58517689Don’t forget the shadow triad who did nothing and N’s sisters who did nothingBW was so unfinished
>>58517682That's not a fair comparison and you know it. At least the Seven Sages actually have names.
>>58517698GS Rocket at least has the excuses of GameBoy limitations and the final game being made in less than a year when they were trying to cram in as much as possible. XY cut their entire post-game and still couldn't do a good evil team which takes up most of the plot.
>>58517682>>58517689>>58517697>>58517791parroting is an admission of defeatif you reply to this with "thank you for admitting defeat" you like fat sweaty man ass
>>58517954>the sages count but the flare scientists don’t because….um…..SHUT UP!!
>>58517649I'm all for calling out XY on its issues but this one doesn't really mean anything considering the scientists exist and play pretty much the exact same role as the admins in every other team
>>58517983Thanks for admitting defeat.>>58517977>XY cut their entire post-gameEvidently not, since the post-game is there.>and still couldn't do a good evil teamYou haven’t actually proven they’re not a good evil team.
>>58517994They're not admins though. That being said it's strange to me how scientists who are lower ranked than the admins have names and unique designs and the admins don't, especially considering the past few gens had named admins/commanders/sages/whatever, and did the same going forward with SM. I'm kind of impressed ZA managed to make me actually care about Team Flare and made me wanna see more of them.
>>58517682Seven Sages. Admins under a different name.
>>58518001you make it too easy
>>58518010Scientists. Admins under a different name.
>>58517996OP here. It's not a real criticism, it's just a thing that's always bothered me
>>58518014admitting defeat is a parroting of uhhh um uhhh shit i messed it up
>>58518017that's fair, unfortunately your efforts have summoned yawnie for another six hours of cookiecutter kalos defense and unova seethe
>>58517698Team Flare. Team Rocket got ran out of Kanto and lost their leader, so their desperation at least made sense. Team Flare was just unfinished, like a lot of things in X&Y.
>>58518027What Kalos defense? I’m just agreeing with you that a game (such as BW) not having named admins makes it lazy.
I wasn't talking to you yawnie, now go take those dinosaur nuggets out of the oven before you burn your mom's house down
>>58517649>give random flare grunts models>the fucking champion doesn't get onethe more you look at it the more obvious it is that XY is a rushjob
>thread that criticizes anything relating to X and Y>Kalosperms: "UNOVAUNOVAUNOVAUNOVAUNOVA-"Every single time.
>>58518092an inferiority complex if i've ever seen one
>>58518092>Kalosperm:FTFY
>>58517703You only fight two of them (Ghetsis doesn't count). Three of them aren't even in the game, and one of them has a dumb cameo.
>>58518112Also, five of them don't even have official illustrations. They're completely inconsequential.
>>58517994I kinda wish the green one came back instead since I like that color more, maybe I'll see my wife in the dlc....
>>58518092Don't get too cocky now unabort
>>58518135Ngl, Kalosperms did lose in the long run. The game is taking a beating online by critics, sold less than Arceus, and only takes place in one city with a nothingburger plot and only 4 recurring Kalos characters.
>>58518092>thread that criticizes anything relating to X and Y>criticism also applies to Black and White except even worseSure is weird how that keeps happening, huh?
>>58518269If you want to defend XY so badly, do so by it's own merits, not through whataboutism and scapegoating.
>>58517649The game was unfinished.
>>58518280>>58518037
>>58518066That always bothered me too. Every Team Flare character in XY gets a model yet gym leaders, E4 members and even the champion just use Sugimori art. It's no wonder they're all so forgettable.
>>58517649This was actually cool. They already had "admins" in the scientists, so these guys who are still generic NPCs but a cut above regular grunts is a welcome addition. No other team did this. Look I dislike XY as much as the next guy but Team Flare is actually pretty cool, more so than people give them credit for
>give random assistant model>the fucking champion doesn't get onethe more you look at it the more obvious it is that BW2 is a rushjob
>>58518324can you respond to any slightly negative thing about XY without resorting to these dishonest whataboutisms about Unova?
>>58518404>it's dishonest because I like the game
>>58518404It's not a whataboutism if I'm literally agreeing with you.
>>58518413>one single player model used in the opening sequence in a game that otherwise portrays all it's characters as 2D sprites is somehow equivalent to a 3DS game portraying it's main bosses as artwork instead of 3d models but random foot soldiers have 3d models I'm not even saying that XY is lazy or soulless for doing that, I just think it's a baffling decision
stop trying to argue with yawniehe spends more than a full-time job's worth of hours doing this shit, and he's been doing it for the better half of a decade. you're not going to be the one to magically convince him to end his autism crusade
>>58518466>one single player model used in the opening sequence in a game that otherwise portrays all it's characters as 2D spritesYes, because the game is rushed and unfinished.
sex with the female flare admin's pantyhose
>>58517954Who the fuck are the seven sages
>>58518148>beating online by criticslol
>>58517649Because you have autism and don't know the "admins" (in the way you are using the term) is the scientists, which do have names and unique designs.
Are you guys retarded? "Admin" is only used for Rocket, Magma, Aqua and Skull>Galactic doesn't have admins, they have "commanders">Plasma didn't have admins either, they had "sages">Flare had the "scientists" class instead of admins>If Aether Foundation counts they had "branch chiefs">Yell and Macrocosmos had NOTHING because gen 8 doesn't have a thing lmao>Star didn't have adminds again, but "bosses"
>>58517682they did they're called the seven sages>>58518092It's funny, by scapegoating Unova as usual, they're pretty much admitting that Kalos is a shit region that can't stand on it's own. They have to bring the good regions down to their level if they want Kalos to be a part of the golden era. which can never happen because there was a clear divide in game quality after gen 5 and gen 6 with masuda's departure>>58517689>>58517697>>58518014>>58517791parroting is an admission of defeatretard says thank you for admitting defeat when replying to this post
Where did Masuda depart? I keep hearing this Masuda left thing but seems like this is not based on any facts. Where did he depart?
>>58519225>spoilerfuck i meant to type between instead of after>>58519231During XY's development after Sugimori got in a fight with Masuda. He got banned from directing original games (he still directed LGPE and BDSP, presumably because they were remakes) but was still credited as XY's director, similar to Tajiri in GS.
OOOOOOOHHH so now it changed from fired and departed to still being there? Weird...
>>58517649It's because Team Flare was kind of like this by design. They are rich, shallow, spoiled kids that exist mostly as glorified hangers for their suits. One can ask why Lys specifically picked this kind of people to work with, but that's the point - they are shallow and stupid, but also easy to manipulate.
>>58517977I actually preferred GSC Team Rocket over remakes. The whole point of Team Rocket in Johto was that they literally lost the sole point of leadership and were nothing more but bunch of mook aimlessly running around. Their "admins" were just slightly more important grunts high on copium.
>>58518148>It sold less than Arceus It's been out for a week>It's taken a beating online You mean like every other pokemon game on the switch?
>>58519235So... who finished XY? Who's the XY equivalent of Masuda in GS?
>>58519418>who finished XYNobody lol
>>58519418Masuda did, and it was received well and sold more than the previous game.
>>58519225>they did they're called the seven sages>>58517994> which can never happen because there was a clear divide in game quality after gen 5 and gen 6 with masuda's departureTrue. Gen 5 is lower quality as demonstrated by the posts in this thread.>parroting is an admission of defeatThanks for admitting defeat.
>>58519235>During XY's development [FANFIC]
>>58519016uhhhh that means all of those games are unfinished, checkmate
>>58519425It didn't even outsell DP. Clearly Masuda had already been on his way out. Dude legitimately peaked with GS and only replicated that success by referencing GS with DP. Hoenn, Unova and Kalos are all clown-tier regions that hold the franchise back
How come everytime a thread likethis exists it's flooded with whataboutism and comparisons to Gen 5 only, I never see gen 6 compared to gens 4, 3, 2, or 1 in terms of issues they suffer from.I've left /vp/ for a couple years and this is basically the same thing on repeat, this thread is gay and so is everyone here.
>>58520293Sistergens.
>>58520293>man this game sucks for not having named admins>”I agree, games do suck when they don’t have named admins”>AIEEEEEE WHY ARE YOU WHATABOUTISMING ME!!!meds
>>58520293Bros... is he right are we gay...Of so can we kiss?
>>58520293It’s one retarded zoomer (sagefag) and one shitposter (yawnfag) fighting each other for the last 2 years while we waited for a new pokeslop game
>>58520354sagefag isn't real, yawnfag just gives that name to anyone he disagrees with because he hasn't got a single original thought in his head.>oh so your boogeyman is real but his isn't?unironically yes. and you can tell the difference by the names. yawnfag got his name because one of his earliest trolling tactics was to just post pictures of people yawning to derail arguments. sagefag is called sagefag because...he sages posts. you know, a basic site function that tons of people use every day.
>>58520422there's no evidence that yawnfag or boomerfag are still around
>>58520438yawnfag is in this very thread
>>58520422> sagefag isn't real, yawnfag just gives that name to anyone he disagrees with because he hasn't got a single original thought in his headthis but the exact opposite
>>58520422Not beating the sagefag allegations here.
>>58520422Can confirm I've been called "sagefag" before just because I was doing a BW run and posting screenshots in a thread. I would say that probably it isn't THE yawnfag who still posts but some retarded trolls who know that copying his tactics guarantee replies and the cycle continues.One of these retards who larp as yawnfag is Raphael "faggot" Borg, who often spams his shitty Samurott OC (or at least he did until anons found his facebook and laughed at him begause not even his own mom likes his shitty art).
>>58520324That never happens though. BW being lazy and shit doesn't excuse XY for not only following in its lazy steps but doubling down on being lazy and having a shitty unfinished story. >inb4 b-but muh sagefag reeeekys shitposter.
>>58520304Does yawnie like Masuda because he made XY, or does she dislike him because he also made BW? It really makes you think.
>>58520627Yawnie (or his copycats) just like shitposting and baiting replies with absolute dogshit takes.
>>58519723>Thanks for admitting defeat.>he didn't read the spoilerIt's too late. It's already in motion. Retard.
>>58520605Yawnfag lives on as long as people are retarded enough to carry the mantel. It's like a somehow shittier capeshit superhero passing the torch>>58520627This is personally why I find the entire argument baffling, all of Masuda's games are equally bad just for different reasons. Your favorite is just the one that you personally like the most
>>58519281>>It sold less than Arceus >It's been out for a weekYeah, and it sold less than what Arceus made in a week.
>>58520624>but doubling downXY has admins but they aren’t named.BW doesn’t have admins period.Sounds like BW is the one that’s worse and doubled down on the laziness, not XY.
>>58519418>who finished XY?Legends: ZA
>>58520636>It's too lateYes, you already admitted defeat.
>>58520653XY doubled down on the laziness by having an inaccessible power plant, very clearly rushing the story after the second gym, etc. among other things.But you're incapable of talking objectively because you are only shitposting for (You)s. Yes, GameFreak are lazy fucks and the franchise would be better off with other devs. Literally anyone else would be better, even chunsoft treats the IP better than GF. The "asymetrical game design" is a poor excuse and always has been.
>>58520341
>>58517649>Team Flare Admin Pitbull
>>58520690>XY doubled down on the laziness by having an inaccessible power plant, But you do access the power plant. Meanwhile BW doesn’t have a power plant at all. Sounds like BW is the one that’s worse and doubled down on the laziness.>very clearly rushing the story after the second gymMeanwhile BW is very clearly rushed through the whole game. Sounds like BW is the one that’s worse and doubled down on the laziness.>But you're incapable of talking objectivelyBut I am talking objectively. Unless you want to show me where the power plant and 5 extra routes are in BW
sperms be like: my game is serious!!!the game:
>>58520740soulful animations
>>58520727>Team Flare Admin Mr worldwide
>>58520736Define double down retard. How can something prior "double down" on something a subsequent entry also did? Are you genuinely retarded?Both BW and XY are rushed, can you concede this or are you incapable of being a shithead?
>>58517665Awful pacing
>>58520766>Both BW and XY are rushed,But evidently BW is more rushed.
Two Flare admins do get names. Malva was an Admin, and Butler Chalmers was also a Flare Admin.
>>58520772>your game is worse!>no, your game is worse!>no, it's yours!>both are shit. now shut up you two.
>>58520799>your game is worse!Correct, since BW doesn’t have a powerplant, doesn’t have any admins, and has a more rushed story than XY since it has fewer routes and only one route between every single gymThese are objective facts
>>58520815N appears 6 times.AZ 3 times.These are objective facts
>>58520827Lysandre is the N equivalent, not AZ.
>>58517682>>58517689gemmy
if you have to instantly backtrack and get defensive over a criticism you yourself made as soon as it happens to apply to a game you like, maybe your criticism wasn't that strong to begin with
>>58520799lmao the funny thing is that I stated and conceded from the start that both are shit to prove that this >>58520324 never actually happens, the fags larping as yawnie are always unrelenting in their intellectual dishonesty. This just further proves that yawnfag or retards larping as him do exist and just shitpost/bait whereas sagefag isn't real.
>>58520913>I stated and conceded from the start that both are shitand yet you refuse to concede that one is more shit than the othercurious
>>58520920They are equally bad products and rushed in different parts. The "no powerplant in Unova" is obviously a disingenuous and nonsensical argument, equally as retarded as saying Kalos is bad because it has no subway system or something retarded like that.
Kalos was always corny>Hates their own region's pokemon so they would rather glaze kanto,hoenn and unova>Almost every character in XY is replaced by an OC in ZA>Basically confirmed they have no league now in ZA>NPCs would rather talk about Leon instead of Diantha >Least amount of mons of any gen due to megashit which are humiliation rituals
>>58517994Yeah blah blah both suck now whatEspecially Bryony, sucks that she was underutilized
>>58519242That actually kind of makes sense. I don't know if that's said anywhere in-game but I like the answer either way. Shame this thread had to devolve into whatever the fuck it is now, I kinda regret making this thread
>>58520948>They are equally badEvidently not.>equally as retarded as saying Kalos is bad because it has no subway systemKalos has an equivalent to the subway system. Unova doesn’t have an equivalent to the power plant. Also you ignored my points about the admins snd rushed story because you’re badly coping.
why is this thread still aliveare you people still fucking falling for it
Unova was always corny>Hates their own region's pokemon so they would rather glaze kanto and johto>Almost every character in BW is replaced by an OC in Indigo Disk>Basically confirmed they have no authority now in Indigo Disk>NPCs would rather talk about Kieran instead of Iris>Least amount of original mons of any gen due to kanto clones which are humiliation rituals
>>58521228This, just remind yawnie of the THREE BULLETS thread and he'll stop replying. No need to engage/feed him.
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>>58517698GS Rocket was way lamer but they had an excuse to be that way.
>>58521191>Kalos has an equivalent to the subway system.Which is what exactly?>Unova doesn’t have an equivalent to the power plantChargestone cave is a location with electric type pokémon which is superior to the power plant with some fodder team flare grunts>b-but muh world buildingthen virbank complex is the analog. >Also you ignored my points about the admins snd rushed story because you’re badly coping.Both stories are rushed and shit. It's more noticeable in XY because the game rushes you after the second gym.
>>58521404bro shut the up already, you're arguing with a literal brick
>ZA is the best Kalos gameXY can't stop loosing holy shit kek
>>58521505>>58521578all I get from this is that you guys love gen 9 and I would agree
Xy won the losing contestRBY won the winning contestSimple as, XY even gives you a kanto starter because it knows it sucks.
>>58520230Hoenn and Unova are the best regions they've ever made.
Team Flare had great music
>>58521404>Which is what exactly?The Battle Maison. Which is actually another example of BW doubling down on the laziness since it doesn't even have Triple and Rotation Battles while the Maison does.>Chargestone cave is a location with electric type pokémonThat isn't a Power Plant. It's a cave. Kalos already has an equivalent to this with Reflection Cave.>then virbank complex is the analogNo it isn't. Also it doesn't exist in BW.>Both stories are rushed and shitBut evidently BW is more rushed and shit.
this thread should have died 2 days ago
>>58522969XY did have a good ost, 3DS was last era of pokemon that had an OST I liked every track.Switch era hasn't really hit the same for me.Also the berry farm in XY was a fun concept wish more games had that system and fleshed it out.
she's so fucking hot
>>58523208>this threadYes. Because it should have been a thread talking about how awful BW is instead.>should have diedSo just like BW?>2 days agoI took a massive shit all over my copy of BW 2 days ago. I was out of toilet paper.
>>58523244now you just need some juxtaposition wojaks
>>58523232I wish Masuda stuck around as composer, his music is great.
