What are your feelings on the Pokemon timeline? OG vs Remakes? Mega vs Non Mega? Every game is it's own timeline? Third versions?
>>58520329I stopped caring when it became clear gamefreak didn’t
>>58520339Fpbp
>>58520339Fair enough, and probably the right call.
>>58520329>Tfw Prof Oak might already be dead
>>58520329>13 years between GSC and BWsince when
>>58520392Mostly extrapolation from knowing 20 years between RGBY and USUM, and knowing the time between BW, B2W2, and USUM.
>>58520357He's probably in his 70s by Gen 9. Could still be kicking around somewhere.
>>58520339Masuda said not to think about it too much. He was right and so was Zinnia.
Remakes take the place of their OG games. One timeline.
>>58520329>>58520441How do you figure 20 years between Gen 1 and Gen 7?
>>58520329ZA is after SV retard
>>58520357>>58520458Deepest lore
>>58520495Porygon pokedex entry states it was created 20 years ago in USUM, FR entry states "Using the most advanced technologies, scientists finally succeeded in making the first artificial Pokémon."
>>58520502Nothing besides release order indicates this. We know it's after SwSh because of the "former champion Leon" line, and we know it's 5 years after XY.
who started this meme that Z-A is before SV
>>58520564It's an assumption on most generations being "3 years" after the previous generation. I don't believe there's anything concrete that actually puts a 3 year gap between gen 8 and gen 9. What is concrete is 5 years after XY.
>>58520329I definitely imagined PLA as more like 1600s. Based on this timeline it was taking place around the time of the real US Civil War. Which is funny to imagine in the Pokémon universe.
>>58520577Considering it's based on the Meiji Era of Japan, it's closer to the late 1800s early 1900s. 150 years pre-DPP puts it right around the 1850s, if you consider RGBY taking place in the mid 90s as correct.
>>58520329I like to think of it as: The stuff with mega evolution and remakes are one timeline, but the stuff before mega evolution is another.
>>58520577History of Japan in short:When the shogun took control of Japan, the country entered a period of isolation that lasted around 200 years, leaving it technologically and culturally behind compared to the rest of the world.
nothing more than an overly complicated way for gamefreak to avoid the doylist answer to "why can't i mega evolve in RSE" like the plague so i just ignore it
>>58520329How do you know the gap between SWSH and SM? And that SV is after PLZA?Other than that its probably one of the best attempts I've seen here. Which isn't saying much but still.
>>58520513The problem with using Porygon's entry is that we also have to use Solrock and Lunatone's which fuck the whole thing up.
>>58520609That's objectively wrong though. Multiple games have posited other timelines and that logic excludes a lot of games outright.
>>58520616Pokemon having a timeline predates your favorite poketuber misinterpreting Zinnia's quote.
>>58520634I don't think there's anything to say what that gap actually should be, other than real world passing of time.
>>58520329LGPE should be tossed from this timeline, it doesn't fit.
>>58520577>>58520610PLA's setting is roughly based on the colonization of Hokkaido (Japan's northernmost main island, which is Sinnoh) by the Japanese, which began after the unification of Japan by the Tokugawa Shogunate in the 1600s but was most actively carried out and completed after the Meiji Restoration in 1870. The natives of Sinnoh (Hisui) are an analogue to the natives of Hokkaido (which was called Ezo then), the Ainu people, less advanced than the Japanese who had extensive Western contact and underwent rapid westernization following the Meiji Restoration. PLA's setting isn't as archaic as it seems at a glance, Jubilife Village has modern brickwork, some kind of industrial furnace and most notably an early camera (owned by a guy named "Dagero," referring to the daguerreotype technique associated with the mid-1800s).
>>58520680If we use real world the whole thing falls apart.
>>58520704Sure, but with an absolute lack of any other indicator or the passage of in game time, it's the only thing we have.
>>58520708The fact that we aren't told something doesn't mean we can fill in with whatever we want.
>In the Member Card's description, it says that the last date marked on it was 50 years ago. On the official artwork, it is labeled "1958.12.1", exactly 50 years before the first Japanese distribution.we also have canon dates
>>58520719Then we just have to say "undetermined amount of time" between SM/USUM, SwSh, and SV. What we do know for a fact is that ZA takes place after SwSh.
>>58520639> It becomes very active on the night of a full moon. This Pokémon was first discovered 40 years ago at the site of a meteor strike. why
>>58520728Yeah, its how it should be.>>58520734Multiple entries at different points in the timeline mantain the 40 years.
>>58520739Ok, so we know that ZA is 5 years after XY. We know that ZA is after SwSh. We now know that SwSh take place in that 5 year period between XY and ZA. In that 5 year period, SM/USUM & SwSh take place. Does that work?
>>58520739technically they're are copypasted entries and only emerald/hgss are originaldoesn't Pokedex work that way it automatically give you an entry about Pokemon, even if when it clearly describes something that was known before, like "it was often hunted for its meat"so it clearly takes entries that were written earlier and the player just needs to confirm that this species really exists, take closer inspection or confirm that it is native to that region
>>58520753Yes. Other than SV I never disagred with the order.>>58520769You're just filling holes here.
>>58520527The phone, dumbass
>>58520513That's fair enough reasoning, but "it was created 20 years ago" is almost certainly referring to the real-life time since Gen 1 as of Gen 7, and the FR entry doesn't necessarily imply that it was only just recently created.And as >>58520639 points out, the Pokédex also has information like "Lunatone was discovered 40 years ago" being stated in Gen 3, Gen 2, Gen 6 and Gen 8. These can't all be true at the same time, certainly not over a period of more than a decade.I think the OP image is accurate enough but in a franchise as big and that has gone on as long as this, with many changes to the setting and continuity never really being the top priority, there's going to be gaps and contradictions no matter what.The biggest gray area is between Gen 2/4 and 5, we can't really say more than "at least 5 years, probably" based on the Team Rocket Grunt settling down in Unova and having a young kid between games.
>>58520777Rotoms are individuals, these guys just felt like have 3 cameras.
>>58520783I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were a fucking retard, please forget I said anything.
>>58520792Maybe Kalos just has better phone tech compared to Paldea.
>>58520801>maybe north of the pyrenees they have the iPhone 13 and south the pyrenees the iPhone 12Maybe you are coping
>>58520814Do you have anything constructive to add? Perhaps a placement for the games?
>>58520831>perhaps a placenentYes, Galar, Paldea and the return to Kalos take place in years X, X2 and X3 as seen by the advancement of the rotomphone. Easy, huh?
>>58520590>>58520610>>58520703Thank you for the knowledge pokepals
>>58520839NTA but where have they stated the models?
>>58520839So your solution is that SM/USUM, SwSh, and SV are put in the 5 year gap of XY and ZA. I don't see any particular reason why it couldn't work.
>>58520801>>58520814Also Unova has the same exact phones as Paldea as seen in The Indigo Disk so yeah I'm not buying France has the iRotom 3 and years later Spain, Portugal and New York only sells the iRotom 2, that's just stupid>>58520858Just like with real phones the rotomphones add more cameras with time, Victor's had one, Florian's had two and now Paxton's has three
>>58520864>rotomphones add more cameras with timeBut real phones drop the number of cameras occasionally as well. Have we considered budget models?
>>58520877unovans and paldeans are poorfags lmao
>>58520888Experimental rotom phones. Kalosians are test subjects.
>>58520329BW2 did NOT happen at the same time as XY. Otherwise, Colress wouldn't be able to visit Kalos and obtain Mega Evolution later on for SM Battle Tree because he would be working with Ghetsis in Unova during that time.
>>58521118
>>58521128Approximately at the same time, not necessary one to one.
>>58521128I don't care what this literal who thinks. If Colress was in Kalos, he would've surely found out about megas and used one in Unova. Otherwise, what would be the point of him trying to find a way to draw out the true power of pokémon?
>>58521170>literal whoThat one of the writers that has been involved in every single game a main/game scenario writer.
Wait till Legends Galar comes out and fucks everything up again.
>>58521118>>58521170>Colress>megaevolutionYou fucking retard, do you really think battle faciliy mechanics are canon? Do you think Red and Blue have megas and Z moves they don't use agaisnt you in the actual story battle for some reason? Do you think every fucking trainer gets to have one or two gimmicks canonically just because the facility likes to give you a challenge?
>>58521180Well, apparently that writer isn't in sync with whoever wrote that colress reference in the game.
The big question is: SM or USUM is canon? Pretty relevant considering Lillie and Lusamine fates after the game.
>>58521170>a few years back Ambiguous enough to not cause problems.
>>58521222More recent = more canon. USUM wins.
>>58521223Except it messes with Colress' motives. Colress wants to draw out the true power of pokemon. Kalos is literally the place where that happens and it's not a recent phenomenon either since many elite trainers already had mega stones and there's a tower with a big statue of Mega Lucario within the region. If Colress was there prior to B2W2 doing research on the stones, he must've figured out about the existence of mega evolution, gotten access to it with his Metagross and thus would have no need to join Team Plasma later on.
>>58521263Figured it was too unstable.
>>58520339It reminds me of Zelda timeline. There came a point where there were so many plot holes that they completely fucked everything, and BOTW and TOK are their own thing, borrowing elements from past games without any justification.I think something similar will happen with Pokemon one day. For example, young Red coexisting in a main game with the protagonist of G10 and a cameo of Leon, and the explanation will be, it's a different universe.
>>58520339RSE?
>>58521263>>58521210I'm sorry your stupid headcanon turned out wrong, who could have seen it coming? Not me.
>>58521263What if he just failed. Have you considered that? Wouldn't be the first time.
>>58521292The teraleak shows they originally wanted RSE to be a prequel to gen 1 and later changed it. In the final game Birch gets the pokedex delivered to him by someone else, clearly Oak, since they made it so the game happens after the pokedex' creation
>>58521205A literal quote from SM Colress:"Z-Power... Is it the true potential that I seek? Does it surpass the Mega Ring? Apparently, there are uninhabited islands for Pokémon called Poké Pelago here in Alola. Alola is fascinating! I believe that I will stay in Alola for some time!"Tell me how SM Colress doesn't have mega evolution if it's not "canon"?
>>58520329It doesn't matter and is fucking worthless because outside of obscure ass random NPCs and returning characters, none of the recent games ever actually does much to remind you that anything outside of the current region exists. Pokemon games are a few steps removed from being final fantasy tier, in that they share the same aspects but are basically entirely different universes. Like what's the point of a timeline when nothing important even overlaps
>>58521266>>58521303There's a literal Mega Evolution Guru residing in the Tower of Mastery that Colress could've consulted. Plus, I doubt that Colress, a scientist, is just going to give up and write off megas after one failed attempt, especially if there are successful attempts from other trainers.
>>58521329Colress doesn't have a Mega Ring
>>58521329Just because he knows of it doesn't mean he has it.>>58521205>Do you think Red and Blue have megas and Z moves they don't use agaisnt you in the actual story battle for some reason?Also not outside of the realm of possibility, they definitely have Pokemon they don't use against you that we definitely know they have. Or do you think Blue doesn't have enough Pokemon to fill out 40 in the Pokedex?
>>58521351And what if he failed?
>>58521364You don't need a "ring" to have a mega stone.>>58521369Knowing it is enough to break his motives. If he knows about megas and hasn't achieved it, why leave Kalos and join a evil organization that he himself condemns, led by a man that he hates, to achieve a goal that he can complete in Kalos?
>>58521383The process of science is repeated trial and error.
>>58520329>Original Timeline RBGY > one year later > RSE > two years later > GSC = DPPT > five years later > BW > two years later > BW2 > two years later > XY > one year later > SM > three years later > SWSH > one year later > SV > one year later > ZA>Mega Timeline FRLG > three years later > HGSS > one year later > ORAS > some more years later > USUM
>>58521441He failed and left.
>>58521449Then, he's not a true scientist.
>>58521454Well, he's a researcher, not a scientist.
>>58521292I forget, what’s the timeline issue with RS again?
>>58521470B2W2 quote:"Oh, excuse me! I am a scientist. My name is Colress. The theme of my research is: "Bringing out the potential of Pokémon." What brings out the power of Pokémon is..."
>>58521474There's only really an issue if you don't count FRLG. The Steel and Dark types shouldn't have been "discovered" yet, and the first electronic Pokedexes were supposed to have been created by Professor Oak. It's only a genuine issue if it's still 2003, and you refuse to except retcons.People need to understand that while continuity is cool to have, it starts becoming a negative when you're too restricted by it. Care about it, but don't care so much about it that it prevents you from doing something that could be good.
the idea of new pokemon and pokemon types being "discovered" is retarded when you remember that pokemon in universe have coexisted for 1000s of years alongside human. the only explanation would be that arceus is just straight up making new pokemon in real time, or (an explanation that would have been cooler if it was legit) if these new pokemon species fell into wormholes from other universes.
>>58521500>refuse to except retconsThis is the biggest issue.
>>58520639Just because lunatone was discovered 40 years ago, doesn’t mean it showed up in kanto at that time.
>>58521481Researcher with an ego
>>58521530We didn’t know about electromagnetic radiation even though it existed before we knew about it
>>58521532yeah, people need to understand that not all retcons are bad. They're bad when the change itself is bad, but if the retcon is "Electronic Pokedexes weren't created by Oak, so you can have one at the same time as he supposedly sent the first two people with them off with the first two" or "Dark/Steel/Fairy type Pokemon have always existed" then just roll with it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’m not sure why people care that much about a timeline, the games are self-contained little adventures with the occasional reference. I don’t think Gamefreak is trying to maintain a coherent timeline.
>>58521594You can make the exact same argument about Zelda and look at them.
>>58521594Just a fun puzzle for me. I'm not terribly invested, but it's neat to see how things can fit together.
if a game is a direct sequel to another (gen 2 to 1, plza to 6, etc) then a direct timeline should be mentionedhowever between games that have no connections (2 to 3, etc) then there's no need to make it fit overall
There was never a Pokémon game carrying so much continuity as Z-A before. RBY and GSC also BW and B2W2 were released next to each other and its continuity is very self-referential as result. On other hand, Z-A clearly ties every original Pokémon game since 2013 (except SV) in a 5-year time period and also references SV and DLC characters leaving clear that every game takes places in the same world. I think this game is going to be an one-off thing and WW will go back to "one line that could be interpreted as continuity" but it's interesting that a decade old discussion just received partial answer.
>>58521118You can get mega evolution after the XY plot anon. A game that hinges on that just released.>>58521170>he would've surely found out about megas and used one in UnovaHe literally says in SM that even Z-moves might be more powerful.>>58521180Well yeah, he's not a poketuber so his wordd doesn't count.
>>58521349>Pokemon games are a few steps removed from being final fantasy tierYou're so close anon.
>>58521534So?>>58521594Most people don't care though. Its a minority. And they do keep a timeline. While there are some weird things there's way more things that are consistent than not.>>58521642> leaving clear that every game takes places in the same worldOnly retards who bought into the whole "no megas means no mega world" delusion doubted this.
>>58521642This game became a fucking lynchpin tying everything together, and I really appreciate it.
I saw a NPC in Z-A mention Iris and Drayton so it's probably after Scarlet Violet DLC. I don't see why anyone would care to mention him if he was just a student.
>>58521663>You can get mega evolution after the XY plot anon.You get it during the game and people had it before then. What are you talking about? You get a free mega Lucario mid-game.>He literally says in SM that even Z-moves might be more powerful.After he founded out about megas. What's your point?
>>58521788> What are you talking about?About the fact that its not impossible for a character to obtain mega evolution after XY's plot wrapped up.>After he founded out about megas.All the more reason then.
>>58521776Depends on the line
>>58521796>About the fact that its not impossible for a character to obtain mega evolution after XY's plot wrapped up.They've only discovered more after XY. Your rival character, who couldn't get one during the main plot, manages to obtain one afterwards. Hell, there's bountiful mega evolution trainers in Lumiose City alone thanks to ZA.>All the more reason then.I think you're misunderstanding something. The point is if he was in Kalos years prior to the events of B2W2 studying stones, with the same goal in mind, he would've found out about mega evolution. And thus, he wouldn't need to join Team Plasma, a organization he disagrees with led by a man he hates.
>>58521788>researching mega evolutions >get word that something better might be out there>go to the new thing
>>58521845>he wouldn't need to join Team PlasmaUnless he believes there is a chance for something greater than Mega Evolution.
>>58521849>researching mega evolutions >get word that something better might be out there>joins a criminal organization that he despises just to ruin his track record and leave
>>58521845>They've only discovered more after XY. Your rival character, who couldn't get one during the main plot, manages to obtain one afterwards. Hell, there's bountiful mega evolution trainers in Lumiose City alone thanks to ZA.Exactly, that's my point.>The point is if he was in Kalos years prior to the events of B2W2 studying stones, with the same goal in mind, he would've found out about mega evolution. And thus, he wouldn't need to join Team Plasma, a organization he disagrees with led by a man he hates.No one says he was in Kalos prior to B2W2. I don't think it was ever said whether he was in Kalos at all.And, again, if the entire fucking series isn't hint enough, he outright mentions in SM that Megas aren't the end all be all to making pokemon more powerful.
>>58521860He is very much a means to an ends character. Team Plasma could lead to something greater.
>>58521865>No one says he was in Kalos prior to B2W2. I don't think it was ever said whether he was in Kalos at all.Refer to image here >>58521170
>>58521878Ok, so he was in Kalos at least.What of it?
>>58521884Now you're getting into this guys headcanon.
>>58521886The only headcanon is OP's image.
>>58521890All because you have Colress' dick up your ass?
>>58521911Not my fault you're seething over this dumb timeline being debunked with facts and common sense.
>>58520643>That's objectively wrong though.I don't particularly care.
>>58521946Your "facts" is your headcanon that Colress stayed there for a significant amount of time. The actual fact was that he went to this specific site for an undetermined amount of time.
>>58521839Made me look it upIris and Drayton are both related so it could be before the DLC, but then it wouldn't make much sense since Drayton isnt a "champion" yetUnless SV and the DLC takes place in a much closer point or even before ZA.
>>58521958>The actual fact was that he went to this specific site for an undetermined amount of time.And nothing else, for no particular reason? Just because that's all we know doesn't mean that's all there is.
>>58521948Nobody here does to be fair.
>>58521969Anything we don't know is headcanon. What we know from that line is Colress was in Kalos "a few years back". How many is a few? As you yourself said, Kalos has had Mega Evolution for a very long time. Colress could have visited before B2W2 and left just in time to join Team Plasma. It works just as well as your headcanon.
>>58521966Might just be how Leon and Raihan hyped people up despite Raihan not being a champion.
>>58521981Every one of these threads, you always show up and call text headcannon. You're just a literalist autist.
>>58521987We know he was in Kalos a few years back. That is canonical. The headcanon is everything you have extrapolated beyond that text.
>>58521993That was my first post in this thread. Your writing style and hyperfixation is a tell, I see you in every one of these threads and you always say the same shit. You always act like you're better and more informed, when in reality you require your hand be held and demand subtext be spelled out. You have terrible media literacy yet you act like some wise lorekeeper.
>>58521981>As you yourself said, Kalos has had Mega Evolution for a very long time. Colress could have visited before B2W2 and left just in time to join Team Plasma.And not once try out the very thing that's a answer to what he's been looking for? How does that make any sense to you? He was curious about the power of Z-Moves the moment he saw your Z-ring. Why would he not take interest in Megas? Why would he visit one place in Kalos just to observe some big stones and then, leave to join Team Plasma afterwards?
>>58522012>>58522020This is the first time I've ever posted a thread on this topic, even on this board. Your insistence on ad hominem attacks shows some projection on your part, though. I just wanted to talk about the timeline, as ZA has a bunch of really fun and interesting ties and call backs. You're welcome to keep going, but there's really no point.The final thing I'll say to you on the topic is that B2W2 and XY can take place concurrently and Colress can be in both regions. Travel is possible. He can also "take an interest" in Megas and still leave the region short of achieving his own mega evolutions on his first visit. If you can extrapolation possibilities, so can I.
>>58522030I'm not that anon. Why group my post together with him?>The final thing I'll say to you on the topic is that B2W2 and XY can take place concurrently and Colress can be in both regions.What? No, he can't. Because Colress is active in Unova working for Team Plasma while also exploring around, partaking in the World Tournament, helping the player clear pokemon obstacles, etc. And his trip to Kalos was a few years ago. >He can also "take an interest" in Megas and still leave the region short of achieving his own mega evolutions on his first visit.But then, why doesn't he use Mega Evolution in Unova? Why is he still pondering on how to bring out a pokemon's true potential if he has a answer? Either way, this whole conversation is exhausting. Too many excuses to justify inconsistencies to make this timeline work, all off of a tweet of a game writer that's not even the director. I bid you good day.
There you go, the one and only canon timeline of Pokémon. Enjoy it. Except if you are that nigger Light_88_ who will probably steal this pic like he steals half his shit from here.
>>58522100>the one and only canon timeline>pic clearly shows multiple timelinessmartest headcanonfag
>>58522093>exploring aroundHe's exploring around. Just because we, the protagonist, rarely leave the region during a playthrough, doesn't mean NPCs can't. But yes, in Kalos a few years back, which doesn't contradict anything.>why doesn't he use Mega Evolution in Unova? Why is he still pondering on how to bring out a pokemon's true potential if he has a answer?As I said, possibly did his research and fell short of achieving his own mega on the first go around. As far as "has a answer" goes, maybe he feels he doesn't have or didn't get an answer with his mega research. But sure, we'll wrap it up here.
>>58522111A timeline with branches is still one timeline, just like a tree is still one tree no matter how many ramifications it has.You would probably know this if your family tree wasn't a circle.
>>58522125On top of that, it's the most popular Pokemon timeline theory. Multiple timelines is the most accepted timeline theory.
>>58522125The line you misinterpreted clearly talks about universes, not timelines.
>>58522132"popular in the fandom" means nothing in a fanbase unable to read.>Multiple timelines is the most accepted timeline theory.If you ever leave the pokemon bubble you'll realize that's multiple timelines is a common media trope.
>>58522133>>58522141>>58522111>it's the french who still denies the multiverseORAS utterly destroyed you and Z-A confirms it's the current timeline, not RSE. RSE and the non megaverse are dead, learn to read and deal with it, loser
>>58522154>clearly talks about universes>somehow means no multiverseYep, this fanbase can't read.
>>58521329>doesn't know how to greentext>can't even read apparently since he thinks anything in that line implies Colress is a megaevolution user (it doesn't)holy shit go back to India please
>>58522181Drop it. If Colress heard of Megas, he'd stop at nothing to achieve absolute mastery of it.
>>58522197NTA but he makes it clear in SM there are other ways.Even people pushing the headcanon in >>58522100 silently stopped bringing him up.
>>58522100Ay yo, fuck that dude
>>58522133The line and confirmation you keep denying as canon because it makes you cry talks about different worlds where events in the past happened differently, causing different outcomes in the present. Ramifications of the timeline.I'm sorry your mother is also your aunt.
>>58522197>the timeline Matsumiya wrote is wrong because I can't believe Colress would know megas are a thing and leave Kalos without one!Nobody cares, kid. Genuinely.
>>58522221> talks about different worldsExactly. Worlds.
>>58522100>Let's Go Pee timeline's endingkek perfect
>>58522239Yes, anon, if you were to change the past of this world you would alter the future (our present) and effectively create a different world. A different past means a different future, which makes a different world.Basically imagine if your grandpa and your father were just father and son instead of being half-brothers too, that would make a different you, one mentally capable of understanding a japanese videogame franchise for children.
>>58522263Yes, if you change the timeline, the other timeline would end up different. Which is different than warping to a different Universe. You have no reading comprehension and no media experience outside pokemon, evidenced in >>58522132 which is why you don't know the difference.>one mentally capable of understanding a japanese videogame franchise for children.Says the guy who, aside from literally not being able to do that, has me live rent free on his head and still, after 11 years, insists I deny the multiverse being a thing without even being able to provide evidence of me ever saying so.
>>58522232>>the timeline Matsumiya wroteHe's not even the head writer. Bro probably wrote some lines for idle npcs in their houses and called it a day.
>>58522197This. Holy shit, how hard is it for anons to understand this. >u-uhh, maybe he failed or didn't cared that much about it or never tried it, lmaoNobody understands the character enough to say this shit.
>>58522292>wrote some lines for idle npcsYet this is precisely what is causing this Colress problem.
>>58520577The civil war already ended during the Meji period though
>>58522289look sorry I can tolerate redditspacing but double redditspacing is too much for me to pretend you aren't the result of inbreeding, I'm genuinely sorry canon makes you mad, sorry you can't play any of the multiples games that prove you wrong
>>58522307He is truly the most interesting character in the Pokeverse.
>>58522320Good that you finally admit you can't read.Start there, then worry about pokemon.
>>58520814It makes sense considering Clemont is the inventor of the phone.
>>58522331Stop it
>>58521286>For example, young Red coexisting in a main game with the protagonist of G10 and a cameo of Leon, and the explanation will be, it's a different universeIf that happens, I'll stop caring about Pokemon. Crappy graphics can't filter me out, but crap like this will
>>58522307>the writers don't understand the character you don't understand the character nobody understands the character but me I know Colress would never not be able to get himself a mega I know it I know it he would never fail me I love him and he's perfect and..Holy shit we found the mentally ill kid and he's samefagging now
>>58522342You have to have a very high IQ to understand Colress.
>>58522289If you are confusing him with the guy who spoted you like 5 times already and just called you frenchie (me) you are only making yourself more of a fool by headcanoning yourself as someone I've worrying about for a decadenice reddit spacing by the way KEK
>>58522353He will die if he doesn't repeat his dumb headcanon every once in a while and makes himself feel important, ignore him and he will off himself soon enough
I just wanted to have a fun discussion about timelines
>>58522342>>the writersOne guy with his own timeline interpretation on a team full of other writers, lead by a director with his own vision.
>>58520357>He probably never made peace with Agatha Sad
>headcanonfag malding that his headcanon timeline chart has plotholes in themlmao
Think Volo will come back in the DLC?
>>58522353> by headcanoning yourself as someone I've worrying about for a decadeExcept every time you complain about this "person" you say its me with the same retarded unproven strawman.At the very least ITT the three posts quoted in >>58522154 are mine.
>>58522377You can't have good lore discussion on /vp/ because people are more worried about pushing a specific vision.That said, the begining of this thread is probably among the best we ever had. Heck, I learned about >>58521170
We might be getting another of those>>58522398Volo returning with the new Mega Garchomp would be pure fanservice
>>58522416I just don't see how Colress having visited Kalos previously actually causes any problems.
>>58522434It doesn't. People just want it to.And even then, we have a literal GF member saying both games happened at around the same time, which should be the end of the discussion in a sane fanbase,Its the kind of thing you have to be wary of here.
>>58522154Even worse, he used to outright deny multiples editions being canon and repeated the matsumiyan timeline every time but now ZA confirmed what happens before XY isnt RS but ORAS he has to accept it but is now pretending the multiverse has nothing to do with timelines and RS and ORAS are parallel worlds but no paralell timelines kek it's just cope after cope and you know he will never admit being wrong, at best he will change the narrative again to somehow still deny it
>>58522434People already explained it over and over again. You guys just want to make excuses and pretend like a pokemon writer is infallible to writing plotholes and inconsistencies.
>>58522335Nuh uh
>>58522384>his own timeline interpretationIt's not his own timeline, GF has mentioned before that they basically do the same Nintendo does with the Zelda timeline, they aren't trying to make something super restricted because it would fuck up the creative process but they do have their own internal timeline, they always had. And the teraleak has documents from 2010 that confirm that timeline was indeed what GF uses, with gen 1 and 3 happening at same time, gen 4 happening shortly after gen 2 and gen 5 being a long timeskip of roughly ten years after gen 4
>>58522399>you replied to my three posts at same time so you have been obsessed with me for a decadeStop the projection. Pronto.
>>58522377Sorry dude you have to ask the resident schizo frog for permisson before even trying to suggest there are multiples timelines
>>58522524Colress being in Kalos at some point before XY, learning about megaevolution and returning to Unova to be part of Team Plasma in BW2 isn't an inconsistency, you are just mentally ill to a worrying degree
>>58522520>he used to outright deny multiples editions being canonWhen?>now ZA confirmed what happens before XY isnt RS but ORAS he has to accept itWhen Did I say otherwise?>now pretending the multiverse has nothing to do with timelinesNo, I always said this because they're different concepts altogether.>cope after copeYOu're the obsessed one.>>58522602Read the "At the very least ITT". Or the fact I bring up the other common point.Oh, sorry. You can't read.
>>58522619Says the mentally ill justifying bad writing.
>>58520357The teraleak gave us the character sheet with Oak's age and he's 50yo in gen 2/4 meaning he's not even 70 by the time ZA happens, that's barely old for a japanese.
>>58522670>my headcanon about Colress being unable to leave Kalos without a megastone means the actual games have bad writing!>also no uThanks for proving me right
>>58522671He's 69. Based.
>>58522208>>58522100Light is a nigger and I've counted at least 5 pics I randomly posted in 4chan and found later on twitter reposted by him, you should have added a watermark like we do for Centro
>>58522676>spews headcanon while crying about headcanonIronic
>>58522671>>58520357We all know Oak is still alive and kicking. If anything he's a little too energetic for his age
>>58522705Kino
>>58522693I'm literally repeating your headcanon you dumbass retard, you are the one saying Colress wouldn't leave Kalos without a megastone, even after the developers (internally >>58521128 and externally >>58522569) confirmed the existence of the timeline that proves otherwise.
>>58522719>one writer>developers>confirmedLook who is spewing headcanons, now.
>>58521369>Blue has a Bellsprout in the box that's why doesn't use the keystone or the Z-ring he's never shown to own when you, a keystone/Z-ring user fights him in the storyOr maybe you could just learn to separate gameplay and lore. Tate and Liza show up in BW2 tournament and don't look 13 years older than in RS, are they vampires or something? No, it's just non-canon battle facility fanservice like Red and Blue having megas and Z moves they otherwise never use in that game
>>58521530>if these new pokemon species fell into wormholes from other universesFunny, according to the teraleak they considered going back to gen 1 interpretation of "there are animals AND pokemon but pokemon are just becoming more numerous now" by saying pokemon came from ultrawormholes and the world used to have only humans and animals. Clearly they discarded it because we have stuff like the Kalos war or the fossils that don't make sense if pokemon aren't old as shit but they did consider making them aliens that randomly appeared one day
>>58522417His ace is togekiss. Hes not coming back retard. If togekiss got a mega or is coming back in dlc you might have a point but neither is true
Stop fighting, both of your interpretations are valid!
>>58522100This is an indulgent headcannony question but what in "story" do you think caused the upper branch to diverge into RBG-GSC and FRLG/RSE-HGSS/DPPt-BW-B2W2.
>>58522331Clemont created the rotomdex, not the rotomphone
>>58521128This tweet was deleted, mind you, since you can't find it on their page anymore. So, it's likely that the higher ups didn't approve and asked them to get rid of the tweet.
>>58522772Arceus said fuck it, let's run it back
>>58522732Read >>58522569 again but slowly this timeThat's the internal timeline, not something the guy made up like you made up Colress not leaving Kalos without a megastone
>>58522772Building the time capsule was a bad idea. Gold wanted power.
>>58522745>are they vampires or something?worse they're twins
>>58522756Speaking of Ultrawormholes and the pokimonification of real animal, are the Ultrabeasts pokemon or is the platonic concept of being a pokemon infectious and such that non-pokemon when exposed to "pokemon" energy themselves become pokemon too cause like think of Deoxys that's a fuckin space virus it isn't from earth and yet it's a Pokemon plain as day was it always a pokemon or did interacting with Fug for even a second make it into one? Then to continue on this line of thought if "pokemon" is some kind of infection why are Humans immune? Is this what Pokerus is?
>>58522100I really wonder what Kalos is like in the world without the Kalos war. Are AZ and Floette remembered fondly there? Or at all? They died 3000 years before any game after all
>>58522835Pay $30 and you'll find out in February 2026
>>58522834Pokemon are that world's equivalent to animals, some outer space creatures being pokemon is equivalent to just random aliens here, they are animals the same just not from EarthIf anything I wonder about the ultrafication of creatures because UBs and totem pokemon have Z power auras which is supposedly the light of the light trio so are UBs originally normal pokemon that mutated into that thanks to ultra radiation? Could you irradiate a Rattata family for generations until a mutant Rattata with beast boost as ability is born?
>>58522835Would Kalos just be South Galar in that timeline a sort of like the Angevin Empire of ours.
>>58520339This. You may as well pick and choose favorites.
>>58522861You say that but look to Deoxy's dex entries>DNA from a space virus mutated and became a Pokémon. It appears where auroras are seen."Became a pokemon" Nearly every dex entries says it turned into a pokemon meaning it was non pokemon before.
>>58522853Ah yes I'm sure MEGA dimension will take us back to the megaless dimension, totally makes sense
>>58522834they concept of what is and what isnt a pokemon is something that gamefreak just chooses not to address at this point. deoxys, an alien DNA strand, is a pokemon. porygon which is literally an artificial creation of data brought to the real world, is also a pokemon. at this point if its sentient and not human, its basically a pokemon.
>>58522891>DNA from a space virus mutated and became an animal. It appears where auroras are seen.See? Nothing special if you adapt it to real life, just basic sci fi
>>58522905What is a pokemon has been clear for a long time, if it can shrink into pocket size and can use "moves" then it's a pocket monster, nothing else matters.
>>58522918UBs can use moves and shrink down, but they're explicitly a different thing and all but require a unique type of ball. They're reminiscent of the various non-Digimon digital creatures, like the D-Reaper or Gennai.
>>58522938>they're explicitly a different thingUBs are explicitly weird pokemon but still just pokemon, retard, and you can catch them in any ball, it's just harder. They are weird pokemon that feel more comfortable in weird balls, that's all
>>58522894Volo can travel dimensions, coward.
>>58522967>one dude says a thingWe have established that it literally does not matter unless it comes from the fanbase. Please come up with a different source.
>>58522834>are the Ultrabeasts pokemonYes anon, they made this clear a fuckton of times.>was it always a pokemonNo, the dex entry makes it clear.
What's Looker up to now?
>>58523173>>are the Ultrabeasts pokemon>Yes anon, they made this clear a fuckton of times.I never said they aren't currently pokemon, I agree they are pokemon.>>was it always a pokemon>No, the dex entry makes it clear.Yeah this is more so what I'm trying to talk about
