i feel powerful

>>58522980
>the 4+ weaknesses will always out way
Yea, just like Heatran, Dragonite, Moltres and Volcarona, right?

Say one original ability that can save him

Looking forward to using it in fangames.

>>58523031
I’m not just talking about 4x weaknesses, I also think 4 or more weaknesses is kinda bad, otherwise I wouldn’t mention Scolipede in the OP

That’s also why Rock and Ice on their own are the two worse defensive types in the game, let alone together god forbid. Whiling Grass is kinda mediocre in singles

>>58523039
Triage would catapult it to Uber

>>58523048
Only way Mega-Ganium has a sliver of a shot in Uber is if it had Triage AND got Draining Kiss

>>58523039
water absorb but for poison

>>58523039
Triage, drought, grassy surge and an ability that let it fire one turn Solarblade/beam.

For all we know they may go full arquanid and start mixing abilities, picture one that gives both grassy terrain and sun for maximum power solar beams.

>>58523067
It doesn't need Draining Kiss when you can setup Leech Seed on turn 1 then get that priority heal on turn 2.
In fact, the fairy typing is here as a defensive crutch, not an offensive one.

Pixilate

>>58523039

>>58523047
> I also think 4 or more weaknesses is kinda bad
So long as its ability and kit in Champions is good enough this doesn't matter as much as you think
i.e. Tyranitar

>>58523039
Chlorophyll

>>58523111
T-Tar's a pseudo with a cracked ability that doesn't need a mega slot to be monstruously good.
Meganium's meganium lmao, i hope the gimmick here is that it does a 180 on that whenever it mega's.

>>58522980
>STAB Dazzling Gleam
What a joke.
You're right that the ability is going to make or break it though. It needs to be at least as good as Thick Fat was on M-Venusaur to make M-Meganium worth using over the former.

>>58523111
Heatran has one of the worst 4x weaknesses in ground but still delivers too.

>>58523080
>In fact, the fairy typing is here as a defensive crutch, not an offensive one.
Grass/Fairy is a so-so defensive typing though. Is losing the bug weakness really worth instantly dying to poison attacks?

>>58523174
Heartran also has a load of positives to make up for it (godly trapping attack, both abilities are amazing, great stats, strong utility, air balloon exists), take any of those away and it sucks.

>>58523186
Then there's quaggy and Gastrodon, and most recently Sneasler.

As long as there's a niche there's a way.

It's dex entry makes me think it's ability will make it so it can fire Solar Beam faster most megs seem to run Giga Drain, Earth Power, Dazzling Gleam and one of the screense it''s role in a party seems stuck and that moveset seems to be its best optimization, kinda like Delphox it only has 1 job and until we get an ability we wont know how strong the mega evolution i.

Personally, I think they're cooked Dlephox seems set on Levitate but it really needs something like Magic Bounce least it lost expanding force, a move that isn't even in this game

>One-turn Solarbeam ability
Is it even worth it when Sun-based abilities exist? And Grass is far from a stellar offensive type

>>58523039
Cleanse

Poison moves have no effect and is cleanses t spikes.

>>58523210
I'm not saying x4 weaknesses are untenable, just that it's a serious consideration.
Water/Ground is typically fine because Grass is a pretty rare and mostly mediocre coverage type and only really serves to get specific mons, Sneasler dies to most things anyway so a x4 Psychic weakness isn't mattering much.

>>58523039
It's obvi getting a beam+ ability

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>>58522980
Feels good. We won.

>>58523186
With those defenses you're living a lot of x4 effective attacks, then you have earth power to handle both steel and poison types.
Bonus: If it does get Triage, you can essentially giga drain immediately after Curse, meaning Meganium would have a safe way into setting up Body Press with recovery and good defense.

>>58523742
Don't jinx it, if the ability is ass then it's getting mogged by mega chestnaught for that Mega slot.

>>58523775
>triage giga drain curse body press leech seed
holy fucking shit imagine

>>58523186
>Is losing the bug weakness really worth instantly dying to poison attacks?
Yes? Poison-type coverage is rare as fuck. Immunity to Dragon-type moves, resistances to Dark and Fighting, in addition to resisting Ground, Electric, and Water? You resist like everything that’s common except for Ghost and Ice.

>>58523790
not to mention the option of switching to LITERALLY ANY STEEL TYPE

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>>58523785
Mega Chesnaught is probably also going to be strong as shit, its stats are terrifying
But I'm not afraid of it being better, Meganium is my bro and I'm gonna use it regardless
Karenfagging is the only way to play Pokemon

>>58523814
But Karen only said that to lower your guard, she's a dark (evil) specialist.

>>58523822
Imagine how low her guard must've been when she found out it was genuinely good advice

>>58522980
>(weakest to strongest)
>pseudo legendaries and rotom-wash in the lower half
Holy shit, we won HARD.

>>58523837
MEGAnium

6th most used mega in pvp btw

>>58523866
Fanfic mons until abilities land.

>>58523880
cope, meganiumGODS won

>>58523885
Stop jinxing it or watch it get a renamed Leaf Guard

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>>58523880
>pushing the goalpost with any semblance of irony whatsoever

>>58522980
Why is it fairy type?

>>58523785
Mega Venusaur more like.

>>58523039
Flower Veil

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>>58524057
>super effective against
>dragon
>see dragon dual type Pokémon
>fairy move is normally effective against it for some reason.

>>58524294
Okay but why is it fairy from a design perspective? What about the dinosaur with a flower around it's neck justify it being fairy-type?

>>58524308
Because it looks gay as fuck. Hence, fairy. It's common sense really

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>>58524308
Many Fairy designs, moves, abilities, etc have been associated with Flowers, not hard to understand

>>58524308
The girly looking frill sleeves on its legs

>>58523048
>Only gets 2 moves currently that get priority from Triage
>Only attacking one is Giga Drain
>Only boosting options are either Physical or Work Up (not even Growth for some reason despite being a grass type)
Triage is super overrated for Mega Meganium.

>>58522980
I have never been this happy about picking a Grass starter. I mainly picked it because it had the least offensive Mega design, but being good competitively is the cherry on top.
Sorry to my bro Feraligatr

>>58523790
Also doesn’t resist Fairy

Then again, most fairy-types don’t resist other fairies, hell 3 are even weak to it

>>58523837
OP here
Just keep in mind that anything I didn’t mention in doubles/VGC either
>A) has a way to go through Meganium anyway (Bikes and Walking Wake, and in singles Meowscarada)
>B) Is more of a OU/singles superstar than a VGC/doubles one (Great Tusk, H-Samurott, said Meowscarada, and to an lesser extent Hydrapple)
>C) Hard carried by Tera (Chesnaught and Kommo-o)
>D) Just a shitmon (the rest)
plus I forgot Dracovish and Dracozolt, whoops

Also it is too early to list Mega Feraligatr, Scrafty, Chesnaught, and Greninja among those for comparison

>>58525915
>>58523837
I also somehow forgot Mega Swampert, which all things considered is huge for Mega Meganium

>>58522980
>Didn't include Great Tusk in the "Hard Walled STABs"

>>58525964
How many Great Tusks do you see in VGC/doubles?

It’s always more of a singles mon, same with Hydrapple despite its Trick Room speed-tier and bulk

>>58522980
Nothing guarantees Earth Power will stay. That and the Ability is what's going to matter, but I would argue if it loses Earth Power, no Ability will make it outright broken or close to broken.

>>58522980
They think it's unusable because it doesn't learn Moonblast and they have pea-sized brains.

Exhibit A: >>58523166

>>58524349
There are hundreds of grass types based on flowers that arent fairy

>>58527026
And besides, Hatterene only has Dazzling Gleam to work with

Cause gen 8 was the one time they restraint themselves from giving every special Fairy-type STAB Moonblast with only the physical Zacian and Zamazenta getting it), only to go back to it the very next game let alone generation with Enamorus and Flutter Mane

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I'm kinda depressed Feraligatr got screwed with so hard with how awful it's Mega is, but Mega Meganium seems really fun and strong, so I'm at least glad it and Emboar got something good too since they're 2 starters I also have a soft spot for.
People are definitely overplaying the Poison weakness despite Poison types and Poison coverage being fairly rare in both singles and VGC and Mega Meganium has such a surprisingly good defensively profile against a lot of common types, the biggest issues it will face are for one, it's Charizard food and that Ice weakness might also become a problem depending on how good Mega Froslass ends up being, but having the ability to just say "fuck you" to Urshifu, Koraidon and Miraidon and Iron Hands is fantastic, apparently in ZA Meganium has a special effect coded in that allows it to charge Solar Beam immediately, although I've also heard some say that's just plus moves, so it's really hard to confirm if that is a thing, Triage would honestly be the best possible ability for it given how silly priority draining and healing moves is, but there is a non 0% chance it gets something like Solar Power or something that lets it skip charge and recharge turns.

>>58522980
>If you play singles, then none of this matters at all, cause there the 4+ weaknesses will always out way the resistances (just ask Kommo-o, Chesnaught, Scolipede, and Tyranitar)
I honestly think weaknesses are alot more important in doubles since switching costs alot more there while resists are more important in singles for a similar reason.

>>58527123
I'm way more concerned about any fire pokemon than froslass. You can throw anything at froslass and she dies

>>58527201
Only if it takes a hit or outspeeds

>>58527201
It's an extremely hard hitting and fast Pokemon with an immunity to Fighting and Fake Out immunity to everything that isn't Mega Lopunny or Kangaskhan.
It will dent anything that isn't faster than it really hard before going down.
Although it might not be a favorable Pokemon due to the absurdly stupid mistake that is Flutter Mane still existing, same with Calyrex Shadow Rider, but time will tell.

>>58527059
Not all pokemon based on reptiles are dragon type
Not all pokemon based on aquatic creatures are water type
Not all pokemon based on arthropods are bug type

Its just how it is, fucking deal with it

>>58523039
Filter

>>58522980
>Implying megaevos will stay for next gens
Also the ability will probably be something lame, like those who only activates during sunlight that gamefreak lumps into grass types with no thought

>>58528342
POKÉMON CHAMPIONS MOTHER FUCKER!!, HAVE YOU HEARD OF IT!!!

It is even confirmed that Megas will be in that game as their life support

>>58523039
power construct

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>>58528342
Megas will likely remain for now, the reason they got completely cut and shafted is because Ohmori is a complete faggot who wouldn't stop bitching about Megas 24/7 even though by his own admission the mechanic was very liked, and Ohmori is now banned from directing, thank fuck.
He tried to get rid of everything that made Megas good in favor of a dogshit unbalanced mechanic in Dynamax, Megas even made it as far as gen 8's testing phases from stuff we saw in the code and such.
What we'll see in the next mainline game is apparently a feature based around controlling the terrain and weather, so literally just gen 5 mixed with a bit of gen 7, that and Legends Galar was being worked on, and it will bring back Dynamax with a Pikmin like raid mechanic against titanic Pokemon in a huge battlefield.
But Megas are very likely here to stay from now on, or at least one hopes.

People act as if the 4x poison weakness is some big issue the ability needs to address when it can be countered by just having any steel type

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>>58522980
It's cool to see so much appreciation for Meganium lately. Something that's always shocked me is how disliked they are, they've always been a favorite of mine.

When I first played through Heartgold, he was one of the Pokemon I went out of my way to use, and even pulled a lot of weight that first run.

Meganium, Ariados, Togetic, Gyarados, Quagsire, and Dunsparce.

I loaded my team up with the Pokemon I always wanted to use, and it's cool to see Meganium become one of those other Pokemon for other people, "I really, really wanna use this." Hope you all have fun, anons.

>>58522980
Most of your examples can run super effective non stab against it and still win. Like garchomp. You will yet OHKO by anything running poison too

>>58528431
It gets Earth Power now, hits hard and unless your name is Skarmory, Corviknight, Orthworm or Celesteela, good fucking luck taking a base 143 special attack Earth Power to the face.

>>58523031
It is nowhere near as fast or has the setup of any of those mons.

>>58528472
I've been a meganiumchad from day 1 and I gotta say it feels pretty good.

>>58528422
I can kinda agree with Megas outclassing some other Pokemon outright, but that's always been a thing, some Pokemon HAVE always just outclassed their competition, like Lapras versus Dewgong. There is NO REASON to use Dewgong versus Lapras in Gen 1 unless you just like them a lot, everything Dew can do, Lap can do better.... and more.

>>58528499
Back in the day, when there were only 3 gens, Chikorita was easily my favorite starter.

>>58528567
Same, except that never changed for me. Meganium is my favorite Pokemon to this day

>>58528422
Except he was right and Dynamax is more balanced than Megas.

>>58528472
Meganium definitely wasn't hated back in the day, just more so unpopular, compfags are the ones who started relentlessly pushing the narrative Meganium was complete shit and just utterly awful. I mean, I'm a Gatr tard and I had to experience people shitting on my bro a lot over the years as well, mainly from Typhlosion fags who loved to pretend Gatr was awful and nothing but a discount Gyarados.
I'm honestly surprised Sceptile doesn't get shit talked as much, I love Sceptile to death but it's probably the worst starter due to just how utterly awful it's selection of moves, stats, abilities stack together on a mono-Grass Pokemon that's meant to be a fast offensive threat that can't even dent the things it's supposed to take down.
>>58528501
The thing is, Megas are a massive opportunity cost, which is what makes them a good mechanic, Mega Fug doesn't count and I'm almost uncertain the reason it can go Mega without an item is because of Ohmori's retarded bullshit, I mean he did direct ORAS after all.
Megas by their very nature need to be really good to make them worthwhile, sadly we see firsthand what happens when a Mega doesn't outclass anything and just fumbles miserably by looking at my beloved evil squid aka Mega Malamar or Mega Pyroar and Mega Audino.
Dynamax by comparison is a braindead win button, you get 3 turns to click Z-Move tier nukes with amazing side effects stacked on top and your Pokemon gets their HP doubled.
>>58528575
You don't have an argument and you're just acting like a contrarian, everyone who played during Dynamax format fucking hated the mechanic outside of like one guy in Wolfe, and Wolfe is a fucking moronic faggot who got proven wrong in Worlds and humiliated by the very same Pokemon he said were terrible and couldn't cut at the top.

>>58528575
dynafags lost hard

>>58522980
That friendly face invites us to do dirty things on it.
I say yes, Chiko bros are doing fine this year!

>>58528589
>Mega Fug doesn't count
It counts. Mega Fug has an opportunity cost where it actually matters aka VGC. It takes up both a restricted slot and the mega slot on your team, on top of Rayquaza being a dogshit restricted in general due to intimidate weakness, being an SFMA by Gen 6+ boxart legend standards, and a lack of spread moves outside of EQ. Its stab combination basically does nothing for it, and as power creep has marched along, it needs to make more concessions on its movepool- deciding whether it wants to be able to actually hit steel types, or to protect itself, or to have priority, and so on. The fact that it can hold an item is basically what gives it the opportunity to compete for a team slot there in the first place.

Mega Fug was behind stuff like Gengar and Kangaskhan in past VGC meta usage, and was consistently overlooked in favor of Salamence (intimidate, actual stab spread move unaffected by intimidate, bulkier, and doesn’t take up a restricted slot). If you dropped it in the current meta, it would see greater competition for your restricted slot next to stuff like Zamazenta, Calyrex, and the bikes. It gets clear amulet but it’s still food for stuff like Chien-Pao and Flutter Mane. I can easily see it being overlooked in potential future double restricted metas, as people would want more splashable restricteds with a support mega.

>>58528823
Eh fair, I'm mainly a singles fag and don't play VGC much.

>>58528823
This is also why Mega Zygarde will be DOA in VGC unless it gets some absurd ability on top of Nihil Light to compensate. It needs to hold an item, take up your restricted and mega slots, and survive long enough to transform.

>>58522980
Happy for this dude. I tried using him back in silver but he was dogshit. Nonetheless I always liked him a little even though he was just Venusaur Again But Worse. Now he's got a great Mega that looks like an appropriate 4th stage and gives him a niche.

>>58528671
falseflag post

>>58528823
>Rayquaza was overshadowed by Mega Gengar and Mega Kangaskhan
*In Trump voice* Wrong!
In VGC19 Ultra series, Mega Rayquaza was the second used Mega only behind Mega Salamence and only by 3% usage.
Mega Gengar (14.85%) and Mega Kangaskhan (13.98%) were used less and by an even wider margin.
And in VGC16, Mega Rayquaza (20.98%) was only beaten by pre-nerf Mega Kangaskhan (56%) and pre-nerf Mega Salamance (45%), while Mega Gengar (15.31%)
So your post is only true for pre-nerf versions of Mega Kangaskhan and Mega Salamance, which are now have gotten even more nerfs with inability to hold Clear Amulet, no Return/Frustration, and steeper competition with buffed Mega Lopunny, Mega Starmie, and Mega Chesnaught.

>>58522980
When are abilities discovered anyway? Weren't they built into the code of PLA? Is it the same here?

>>58529440
Pokémon Champions and only Pokémon Champions

Probably a Pokémon Day shadowdrop

>>58528431
And I thought people shit themselves over a 4× weakness to Ground or Fighting.

>>58528854
I hope he's basically unstoppable if you manage to assemble all the right conditions but possible for the opponent to work around, so he becomes a powerful build-around wincon without completely dominating the meta.

>>58529440
PLA had placeholder abilities only, the only Pokemon we can safely tell what their ability is, is with Mega Starmie having Pure Power due to the extra boost in attack. And we can very safely infer that Mega Feraligatr will have either Strong Jaw, which would be shit, or Dragon's Maw, which would actually be kinda interesting, by looking at it's "amazing" design.
We gotta wait until champions to get proper confirmation.

>>58529515
Leaf Guard better be a placeholder.

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>walls both of m-meganium's STAB moves and earth power even with max sp. atk investment
>can recover off all the damage with moonlight or strength sap
>meganium needs full HP and sp. def investment to not get OHKO by sludge bomb in return

boo

>>58529515
Mega Scolipede’s ability better be Tinted Lens (alongside 82 Spe by taking the 20 points from the boosted Sp. Atk) or I riot

>>58529650
If they change anything they would probably reduce it's speed more to make it a mixed attacker.

>>58529650
They better move the special attack in Mega Feraligatr to fucking speed. The minmaxy Kalos starters vs how they treated the actual PLZA starters is downright offensive.

>>58529597
>abra used confusion

>>58529569
There's no way Gamefreak would be petty enough to hand Mega Meganium Leaf Guard.....or at the very least I sincerely hope so...
>>58529597
What's funny is how much better Vileplume is compared to Mega Victreebel because of how annoying Strength Sap and Effect Spore are together, it would take a miracle to make that fat fuck even remotely desirable in battle, especially when Mega Venusaur exists and is already kinda niche despite having amazing bulk and the potential to sit on Kyogre and Groudon's face while not giving a single shit.
>>58529650
What they did to Mega Scolipede is remarkably stupid, several Megas look like they would be slower but get faster or don't change in speed, but then you have Mega Garchomp and now the absurd case of Mega Scolipede losing 60 speed, even with speed boost this is still insultingly moronic, it's bulky as fuck sure, but it doesn't that much slower, at most cutting 40 speed would already be overkill, but they went even further beyond. Even with all that bulk, Scolipede's base HP of 60 comes back to haunt it and cuts it's longevity severely. I sincerely hope it gets Tinted Lens, but the Mega becoming armored might mean it gets a defensive ability, which one is up for debate, please not Shell Armor, please anything but Shell Armor.

>>58522980
she should get pollen puff

>>58529984
*he

>>58530009
has no style

>>58530025
HE

>>58530046
Has no grace

>>58529818
Or the reskin that is Battle Armor

Anything but those two

>>58530081
THIS KONG HAS A FUNNY FACE

>>58529102
Salamence never cared about intimidate, nor using return/frustration in the first place. Even after the aerilate nerf it was still the number one mega in the game. Kangaskhan also shedded return/frustration in higher powered metas for double edge. “Lack of clear amulet” means nothing in their case, as they were already top dogs in the Incineroar meta to begin with. Kangaskhan does need to worry about PuP being taken out, as there’s no guarantee of ZA movelists carrying over, but anything that hits Salamence’s viability hard is going to hit Rayquaza’s harder. Spread moves are the name of the game now.

>Lopunny
Lopunny is ironically hurt harder by the return/frustration nerf than either of them. It’s basically useless now in metas where the Tapu/Flutter Mane/Calyrex-S/Lunala dominate, but it wasn’t that good in VGC to begin with. Scrappy buff is definitely nice, but assuming mach punch does carry over (a hard *if* considering PLA movepool additions were hit or miss at being adapted into the core series), it really doesn’t take well to being a sitting duck against what will more than likely be on over half of the existing teams.

>>58522980
Genuine question from a showdownfag, are 4x weaknesses less of a big deal in doubles? I would have thought 2 opposing Pokémon = double the chances for a random coverage move.

>>58530213
In a sense it's less of an issue because
1. you have a partner who can hopefully eliminate the threat for you, and
2. most Pokemon are highly incentivized to run Protect in the first place, so you can generally scout or buy time without needing to give anything up.

It will of course vary depending on who you put next to Mega Meganium.

>>58530213
It entirely depends, most things in doubles don't run Poison coverage outside of the rare Poison type or a few Fighting types running Poison Jab, and Mega Meganium has a partner Pokemon to support it, if motherfucking Brute Bonnet can prove itself to be good and win worlds, albeit it's thanks to Tera, even though it has an abysmal type, Mega Meganium can surely pull through, the big issue is that it directly competes with a powerhouse of a Grass type in Mega Venusaur, who has better bulk, an arguably better defensive profile and the ability to demolish the two old big honchos of VGC in Primal Groudon and Kyogre, with the Raidons both being extremely popular and very present as of recently, it's very possible Mega Meganium becomes preferable to some extent, the issue is Koraidon clicks Fire moves and just deletes Mega Meganium, so you need some form of speed control, Miraidon is a bit easier to deal with since a lot of them run Specs and don't always run Overheat I think.
This makes me think a bit more about what mons what would be good partners for Meganium, Heatran seems to pair up with it pretty welll, but it's also fairly slow and doesn't provide much support, Incineroar seems to cover for it fairly well too.

>>58529818
>There's no way Gamefreak would be petty enough to hand Mega Meganium Leaf Guard.....or at the very least I sincerely hope so...
You're underestimating how severely retarded Game Freak is.

>>58522980
>out way
American education at work.

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>>58530938
As someone who loves Malamar I am sadly very aware.

>>58531063
>Mixed attacker
Will Gamefreak ever learn that that only works with broken abilities or (pseudo)legendaries?

>>58529818
They hurt scolipede because they know how good speed boost is, no other reason for that, it's an over correction if you ask me.

>>58523039
Natural cure for Rest+switches shenanigans

>>58525915
Mega Feraligatr already has the stats to he a threat even without an ability. If they do give it strong jaw then the solution is to make a skill swap team around it. Itll be fine in singles without an ability thanks to typing

>>58527123
How the fuck is feraligatrs mega awful competitively? It literally has minmaxed stats and one of the best typings in the game

>>58531063
Bets on the ability?

>>58533789
>>58533794
>It'll be good without an ability guys!
If it could hold an item? Yeah.
Having both a useless ability and lack of item slot? Not likely.

>>58535466
>mega gyarados was a bad pokemon
Huh?

>>58535667
Mold Breaker is leagues more useful than an ability that only boosts nonSTAB moves lmao

>>58534822
It's Contrary, or at most a buffed version of Contrary.
Which would still not be enough to make a Pokemon with stats this shit work.

>>58535889
Mold breaker doesn’t boost anything and mega gyarados has extremely similar stats to feraligatr. If your issue is he won’t get to kill anything then explain how when his movepool is already perfect for it with this typing?
Should he get something other than strong jaw? Yes.
Am I expecting it? No. We’re talking about the company that thinks Sceptile needed more speed or that lightningrod was a good ability for its mega. Mega Feraligatrs typing and stats are so fucking good it could potentially become a top meta threat, there is no way game freak will let it be better than Zard X.
Will it be better than Meganium? Probably.
Will it be better than Emboar? If he doesn’t get supreme overlord. Otherwise yes.
Ideally if it gets strong jaw then they add at least a dragon and water biting move it can use and everythings fine. Or just give it Dragons Maw and turn it into the Outrage/Dragon Rush sweeper it was always meant to be.
Alternatively, keep sheer force and give it Dragon rush, it will be a better Zard X that needs accuracy support.
Either way, its stats are very good and it will still be a mid level threat in OU as a setup mon even without an ability thanks to the extra bulk it gets.
Those are my two cents, we’ll see what happens.

>>58524814
Curse into giga drain into body press
Or Leech Seed into giga drain.
Meganium has the kit to abuse Triage, it would go from untiered to OU with it.

>>58531063
This will also happen with mega scovillain, no?

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>>58537085
Given how badly they already fucked with Mega Darkrai's any chance of being good, yes, very fucking likely.

Meganium will be the greatest redemption or people are overhyping it to the point it won't see much usage at all in reality. No in-between

>>58536157
This sounds like cope. I feel like they’re going to give it Strong Jaw and nothing else, and then act dumb when nobody uses it.

>>58533789
Singles has been power crept to hell and back, it’s not 2013 anymore. Currently that stat distribution is incredibly mid.
>>58533794
>minmaxed stats
Not with that speed. Yo live in a strange world if Mega Gatr’s stat spread is what constitutes “minmax”.

>>58522980
>made it grass/fairy after all
>didn't give it the obvious petal fairy wings
How did they fuck up the easiest design of all time

>>58522980
>Weedle used Poison Sting!

>>58537774
A single dragon dance puts him in the 117 speed tier, two makes it faster than dragapult. It has the stats and typing for setup, and if its doubles it has more ways to get that setup. I don’t want strong jaw, but I think that crunch/outrage with strong jaw would serve as a powerful enough move combination to make it useful in OU as a late game sweeper and ghold eliminator just not a top threat.

>>58537715
Why the fuck would Megas see any use period when Dynamax is, unfortunately, an all around better gimmick to use competitively.

>>58539168
original joke

>>58522980
Probably going to be a niche mon. Not bad, but not incredible either, and will have to compete with all the other megas. Not being able to hold an item hurts it.
Also might only live in Champions because if the next generations don't bring back megas, then Meganium will be useless again.

>>58537715
It'll get the Gen IV Electivire experience; too dogshit to be viable in the higher tiers, but never dropping to lower tiers because of retards in the lower ladder trying to make it work.

>>58540406
>powerful enough move combination to make it useful in OU as a late game sweeper
People aren’t giving up a mega slot for a middling late game sweeper, you dunce.
>but it can kill Gholdengo
Wow, amazing. Not sure why that matters.

>>58536157
>Will it be better than Emboar? If he doesn’t get supreme overlord. Otherwise yes.
Fanfic meta gave Mega Emboar Supreme Overlord and its still trash. There's no hope for your Ganon-clone, anon.

emboarfags pretending mega emboar is going to be anything better than banette tier is fucking hilarious

>>58541023
wat
where?

Why is everyone in the custom Showdown server with the ZA Megas building like complete fucking idiots? I haven't seen a single Mega Emboar with Flame Charge, Bulk Up or coverage. Mega Meganium is pretty niche, not horrible but generally pretty mediocre, and then there's Feraligatr, which hits really hard but it's stats are far too awkward due to how slow it is.
>>58541034
It has bulk at least compared to Mega Banette, also Mega Banette is insanely stupid with a few gimmick sets, so much so that it's OU in National Dex, it's basically a hyper specialized assassin Pokemon, it's so good at it's job of disposing of certain Pokemon thanks to Prankster bullshit and it's bonkers attack stat.

>>58541122
Isn’t Mega Babette a low ladder meme?

>>58541074
Showdown

>>58541122
>Mega Meganium is pretty niche, not horrible but generally pretty mediocre
But Mega Dragonite can have Soul-Heart...
Do people subconsciously want Meganium to never have anything good?

>>58523068
>>58523604
This is exactly what I had in mind. Call it "Purifier" or something.
Immune to Poison-type attacks and absorbs Toxic Spikes.
Healing off of Poison-type attacks and/or somehow getting SE STAB against Poison may be too much.

Wow they ruined meganium

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>>58541163
It is, but sometimes you aren't ready to deal with it's bullshit and get screwed because of it.
>>58541260
Mega Meganium isn't even bad, the issue is it outright competes with so much and some of the fucking Megas got custom abilities that are so insanely broken that it's ludicrous.
>>58541788
How.....? The Mega stats are really fucking good, the design is overtly simple and not that interesting, but it's far from bad like the humiliation ritual Feraligatr and Pyroar got.

>>58522980
Why doesn't it learn calm mind?

>>58541827
forget the stats, the design is just terrible. megas in general just suck, there isnt a single good design.

>>58541944
I wouldn’t call the design terrible. Probably dull at most.

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>>58541944
No on both accounts, even among the dogshit new batch with awful garbage like Mega Feraligatr and Pyroar, we got amazing new Megas like Scolipede, Drampa, the Kalos starters, Dragalge and personally I'm quite fond of Mega Clefable and Barbaracle, but I see why others wouldn't like the designs.

>>58541122
>Why is everyone in the custom Showdown server with the ZA Megas building like complete fucking idiots?
The Z-A pet mod sucks balls. Meganinja, Megaphox and Mega Starmie are the only new megas that are worth the slot. A lot of arbritary decisions like choice items and boots existing despite not being available in Z-A but stuff like Air Balloon and Terrain Extender don't exist. Also nat dex movesets because why the fuck not? I wish it worked like Blunder's tournament which is just Gen 9 OU with Z-A megas, the battles there are much more interesting than what's going on in the ladder.

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Also, since I just brought up Scolipede, something occurred to me. ZA has this thing of characters using Pokemon that are weak to the ones their underlings or relatives use (except Lebanne, probably because Jacinthe would murder her if she beat that crazy bitch with her Dragalge), but considering Mega Eelektross will likely keep Levitate, it should in theory defeat Mega Excadrill in a format with abilities. I wonder if this implies that Mega Falinks and Mega Scolipede both have abilities that allow them to defeat the types that would normally keep them in check? Mega Falinks doesn't seem like it would get Scrappy to me, but this could very possibly indicate Mega Scolipede gets Tinted Lens, which would allow it to have a chance against Mega Skarmory.
>>58542003
I noted some of these dumb decisions myself, and yeah it's pretty retarded. I would honestly enjoying playing a format without choice items for a change.
I like that Blunder tournament tested having Mega Skarmory with Tough Claws and it became an ungodly monster that was deleting everything from existence, including opposing Skarmory fully spec'd into physical bulk.

>>58542062
>it should in theory defeat Mega Excadrill in a format with abilities
Depends if Drill keeps Mold Breaker or not
>Mega Falinks vs Mega Chandelure
I think Chandelure always beats it on grounds of Falinks having a bad Special Def. If Falinks gets Scrappy it would be cool since he would essentially become a setup sweeper version of Mega Lopunny since he would trade the ability to come multiple times in combat to clean the game. Chandelure presses Will-O-Wisp and uses any special move to laugh at Falinks though.
>Mega Scolipede vs Mega Skarmory
I don't think Tinted Lens would help in this specific case. Skarmory is immune to poison and has a 4x resistance to bug. I don't see how it's winnable from Scolipede side but Tinted Lens is a really good ability.

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>>58523031
Heatran only has 3 weaknesses, retard.

>>58542131
I don't think it's getting Mold Breaker, I wouldn't put it past getting Tough Claws or Sand Force, if Mega Excadrill gets Sand Rush it's going to be broken.
>Mega Falinks
Falinks has Defiant before going Mega, it also outspeeds Mega Chandelure, so if it got Scrappy it could actually pose somewhat of a threat against it, but yeah Will-o-Wisp and the 175 nukes coming from Mega Chandelure would be devastating.
>Mega Skarmory
That is true yeah, Skarmory counters Scolipede so hard it's laughable, and it can even use Mega Scolipede as free setup fodder to click Swords Dance, if Mega Skarmory does get Tough Claws, Scolipede and basically everything is fucked, Skarmory's Drill Run hits every single Magnet Pull user so hard, a fitting revenge against the Pokemon that used to cuck Skarmory so much.

>>58523039
Regenerator