Pokemon peaked here
>>58523213>Pokemon peaked hereAgreed.
>>58523213LMAO! even!
>The spriteschizo is back
>>58523213this but unironically
but i love lunala and it wasnt in this game
>>58523274Say the line
>>58523290sigh... get in the bag nebby....
>>58523213Zoom Zoom!
>>58523213Gen5 is the start of the downfall of the pokemon franchise
>>58523213Gen8 is the start of the downfall of the pokemon franchise
>>58523213based boomer
If it peaked there it would have sold more.
>>58523472Why is there never a rebuttal to this
>>58523451parroting is an admission of defeat
But enough about HGSS
>>58523472Agreed, that's why Crystal is objectively the lowest point of the series.
>>58523213we need a mainstream genwunner term for ds babies
>>58523213I find it a shame how irrelevant B2W2 make these
But enough about legends arceus
>>58523443but enough about gen 1
>>58524147>BW happened to release when the series was already slowly declining in terms of overall sales and profitbecause the games were bad
>>58524216that's gen 2 for you, bad games killing the hype gen 1 built
>>58523486Transitionary period between DS/3DS and people were expecting a 3D entry to drop
>>58524296also gen 5 wasn’t very good and didn’t have enough innovation to attract people
>>58524011plass is putrid shit
>>58524304Sorry I meant gen 2
>>58523213eh. its alright, not the worst game or the best game in the series by any means, its a typical first version of a generation that feels lacking in overall content, plus the storys pretty dumb but oh, wait. fuck, it added victini oh my god ugh fuck shit unhf my penis shit my penis is so fucking hard oh my god VICTINI UOHHHHHHHHHH VICTINI PLEASE FILL ME WITH YOUR BABIES AHHHHHHHHHH MARRY MEEEEEEEEEEEEE VICTINIIIIII
>>58524334rent free
>>58524334That makes more sense. A 35% drop in sales from the previous games means gen 2 is not attracting people and losing its old customers. Gen 5 was mostly the same people who liked gens 3 and 4.
>>58523213Actually, it peaked at its very beginning, and it only went downhill from there because the franchise immediately allowed itself to be consumed by multimedia greed.
shartranny thread full of shartrannies
>>58523213I agree, and I say this because I think it holds up the best as a standalone rpg compared to the rest of the pokemon series. It's solid from the beginning to the end, has a consistent and cohesive narrative and theme, explores every aspect of what it brings to the table, is self-contained, takes itself seriously while not demanding you take it as seriously as it does, and can be played without caring about the franchise as a whole.Ok I admit the pokemon variety at the beginning is weak and that there are some designs that are very questionable, like garbodor and vannilluxe. But I stand by the rest of what I said.
>>58525296>*kicks munna*
>but it's-->actually it's--Fetch me that Castelia cone nigguh
>>58523527No no, he's right in this case.And besides, Thank you for admitting defeat.
>>58525301not sure why you're so obsessed with one single specific part at the beginning of the game that is the exact same as how the rest of the series handles everything.
>gen 5 is criticised>borts immediately pivot to johto>every single time, without failreally makes you think
BW1 are diamond and pearl tier, people only rate gen 5 highly because of bw2
op keeps bumping his shitty thread
>>58527000Because gen 2 is responsible for Pokemon's initial downfall until Pokemon GO revived the franchise. It's objectively all Johto's fault.
>>58525872>not sure why you're so obsessed with one single specific part that completely destroys any nuance and intrigue the story could have had in favor of treating the player like a toddler
>>58527063
>>58527011Yeah and XY has the best post game ever, other shit takes?
>>58527121Sure, I'd love to hear more of your shit takes
>>58527121>shit takes>posts a good take?
>>58527067>destroys any nuance It doesn't? It's simple because it's a kids story, but the nuance is conveyed through N
>>58527139>It doesn't?It does? It immediately tells you Team Plasma is just objectively evil and a lazy rehash of every other evil team.>but the nuance is conveyed by this single character who you barely interact with who leads this group of objectively evil peopleWow, what brilliant interesting writing.
>>58527067>Before the kick"Plasma is objectively right and the entire franchise is a lie.">After the kick"Actually Plasma is a group of individuals and the issue isn't black and white."It's great because we can now have somebody like N who really wants to do the right thing, but also Ghetsis who is just evil in such a blatant way it's just fun having him around, each of them representing the two major groups in Team Plasma.>>58527158>barely interact withYou interact with N in about half of the Team Plasma segments, although earlier in the game they're running parallel rather than directly together. That's more than most villainous team leaders, several champions, and probably around the same amount as the Gen 3 "rival". N isn't even the only one, we see plenty of variety in several Team Plasma members in BW alone, which is what sets up B2W2's separation in Team Plasma.
>>58527207>It's great because we can now have somebody like N who really wants to do the right thing, but also Ghetsis who is just evil in such a blatant way it's just fun having him around, each of them representing the two major groups in Team Plasma.NTA but when I first played through black as a kid I saw the kick and wrote N off as a hypocritical prick just like cyrus or the weather team leaders
>>58527207>Plasma is objectively rightNo, but the game could explore that if it wasn’t written like shit.>Actually Plasma is a group of individualsNo, they’re just another dogshit lazily written objectively evil collective and the rest of the game reinforces this as they continue to do objectively evil retarded shit.>You’re forced to sit through some retarded dialogue with N as he continues to somehow be oblivious to how evil his own team for 30 seconds and then spend the next 10 minutes sweeping through grunts doing the exact same evil shit as every other evil teamftfy
>>58527207N is pure good (White) and Ghetsis is pure evil (Black)Bravo Masuda
>>58527158>barely interact withEncounters with Blue: 8Encounters with N: 7>>58527227Understandable, but hopefully as the game progressed you realized what was actually going on as you got a fuller picture. Because, you know, they're pretty blatant about the difference between N and Ghetsis as you get further into the game.>>58527232>No, they’re just another dogshit lazily written objectively evil collective and the rest of the game reinforces this as they continue to do objectively evil retarded shit.You simply didn't read the NPC dialogue, that's the only possible way you could have come to that conclusion.
>>58527247>Because, you know, they're pretty blatant about the difference between N and Ghetsis as you get further into the game.I didn't nor do I care though, N is a spastic, and no amount of writing will undo that perception. People who speak with such grandiosity are typically delusional, not wise or insightfulIf anything, N's perspective on what team plasma does makes him dangerous because at least ghetsis knows he's a cocksucker
>>58527247>Encounters with N: 7NTA but>Accumula Town>Nacrene City>Nimbasa City>Chargestone cave (twice)>Mistralton Gym>Dragonspiral tower>N's Castle Is it correct?
>>58527266N being a fucking weirdo is definitely intentional, he literally has a faster text speed than the game normally allows.>>58527274Yep, that's correct. I apologize if I forgot a Blue encounter, if you consider both visits to Oak's lab to be separate that's reasonable.
>>58527063truth nukem
>>58527282>N being a fucking weirdo is definitely intentional, he literally has a faster text speed than the game normally allows.He reminds me of the stoner burnout kids in late middle/high school, they were usually nice enough people, but they had very little going on behind the eyes
>>58527294He was intentionally sheltered and kept with abused Pokemon, dude was going to turn out fucked no matter how normal he might have been at a baseline. Dude threw a train into a basketball hoop presumably recently, that boy ain't right.
>>58527247>barely interact withCorrect.> they're pretty blatant about the difference between N and Ghetsis as you get further into the gameThey’re also pretty blatant that the evil team is just a lazy rehash of every other evil team as you get further into the game.>You simply didn't read the NPC dialogue,The problem is that I DID read the NPC dialogue, unlike retards like you who parrot reddit takes instead of citing what actually happens in the game.
>>58527305>They’re also pretty blatant that the evil team is just a lazy rehash of every other evil team as you get further into the game.>The problem is that I DID read the NPC dialogue, unlike retards like you who parrot reddit takes instead of citing what actually happens in the game.Then why did you not mention the optional dialouge in N's Castle, a prime example of the way Team Plasma has a variety of perspectives, and also at the ass end of the game? This isn't even getting into the stuff actually said by the ones you have to battle, of course.
>>58527316>then why did you not mention this throwaway dialogue at the very end of the game that doesn’t justify the evil team doing evil shit the entire game
https://youtu.be/xpTtSxBNUSYSOUL
>>58527316>the dialogue makes them good guys trust me>I won’t actually say what the dialogue is though please just believe me that the game is good and give upvotes
>>58527327>>58527351It's not that doesn't justify the grunts' actions during the game, it's just that you're basically shown only the bad grunts until the end. I think the fact that the team is actually split into two factions was meant to be a plot twist you only find out at the end
>>58527362>the entire story was meant to be uninteresting and shittyoh ok
>>58527351Sure. While the NPCs in the very first room are just blatantly evil, there's one that got attached to Pokemon N gave to them, and another that thinks Pokemon are tools but a Patrat has gotten attached to them which is slowly changing their mind. It's actually quite interesting the variety on display there. If you want you can play the game yourself, or look at a text dump, but if you want immediate gratification here's a Let's Player putting all that shit on screen.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAJMnPepu5M
>>58527327Okay, how about in Dragonspiral Tower, where one Grunt is worried about their Pokemon being hurt, or another criticizes you saying your Pokemon are used to being your weapons?
>>58527327How about in Relic Castle, where one Grunt likes Pokemon a lot and thinks people are the problem? Of course this is also the place where we get the iconic "I won't tolerate people who have different ideals!" line, thought that was worth a mention.
>>58527362I think N is supposed to stand in for all the "good" grunts for most of the game, the player knows he's in team plasma from either the opening movie or from the ferris wheel. but it doesn't really work because he feels entirely disconnected from the rest of the team.there's potential for the sages to mend this gap somewhat, as they are clear intellectual leaders in team plasma who can convincingly advocate for it, and are around grunts constantly.if the game's writing put in more work to show how members of team plasma justify their apparent hypocrisy the story would improve tenfold. not just from a logical standpoint but also in showing how a noble cause can be twisted for selfish ends, which would make Ghetsis being obviously evil not seem so out of place. people get hung up on the initial question of pokemon ethics and they don't see what the story is actually trying to say, which is fair because the story leaves a lot to be desired in how it says it.
>>58527565It really doesn't help that BW is has an overly literal translation which is kind of jank and loses what little nuance there is. TPCi taking over localization might have been better long term (and even that's arguable) but the growing pains are super blatant. Like all the copy pasted Battle Subway text got re-translated in the Battle Maison, if you want an example of the difference.
>>58527000>gen 6 is criticised>sperms immediately pivot to unova>every single time, without failreally makes you think
>>58527651parroting is an admission of defeat
>>58523293YAAAAAAAAAA
>>58527610>It really doesn't help that BW is has an overly literal translation which is kind of jank and loses what little nuance there is. Do you have some story-related examples? I tried to translate parts of the original japanese script with AI but it was very similar
>>58527959>>58527610Bumping, I believe you I'm just curious to see specifics
>>58527661Thank you for admitting defeat.
>>58528091indeed, parrots are most well known for repeating themselves
>>58523224No one is dumb enough to fall for this. 5th gen battles look better than every other generation.
>>58528440Fall for what? The post is agreeing with you, anon.
>>58528440>implying
>>58523224Ttar is kind of derpy.It looks cool until you look closer and you realize it's kind of dopey.Makes me like it more for being a pretty good blend.
>>58528620>helpful anon proves him wrongnever actually happens btw
>>58523443
>>58528696Perfect file name, I can't believe that worked, did absol just not have any move other than sucker punch to at least attempt to fake out gorebyss?
>>58528640No one cares about your delusions yawnie. You choose to ignore the times you get proven wrong. That's why you never respond to those posts pookie bear.
>>58528606>>58528620>>58528673>>58528715>>58528736All posts that disagree with yawnfag getting deleted. Hmm it's like he asked the mods to help him.
>>58523213...in terms of flopping. Thank God XYORAS saved the franchise from the flopus of gen 5.>>58523224God, it's amazing that a DS game manages to objectively look the worst out of any game in the series. The tweening is vomit inducing.
>>58528620>>58528673>>58528715>>58528736Nani the fuck?
>>58528846>>58528814I'm guessing the jannies are on yawnie's side.
>>58528835Sales ≠ quality
>>58528873True. The quality wasn't very good independent of the sales being low.
>>58528814I'm pretty sure there are people in a discord who mass report posts to get the auto deleted>be in sekrit discord>get angwy because of a post>HURRY EVERYONE REPORT REPORTREPORT REPORT ITTTT GO GO GO DISCORD ARMY HURRY REPORT REPORT
>>58528846>>58528814Anon might have been shitposting in another thread or board and jannies wiped all their posts site-wide. Happened to me before
>>58528877No I'm trying to say that a high quality game can sell poorly and a low quality game can sell well. The quality of the gane isn't a very big deciding factor in sales.
Anyone find it interesting that gen 5 gave I think every gen 3 mon a unique sprite? Makes me wonder if they're for a remake in the ds engine before they had to piviot to a new gen on the 3ds.
>>58528895>No I'm trying to say that a high quality game can sell poorly and a low quality game can sell wellNeither of which happened with gen 5+.
>>58528920Well. There's multiple reasons why it sold less. Such as many older players losing interest. This started around gen 3 and continued well into gen 6. Additionally BW came out when piracy was a big thing, so a lot of people simply pirated the game and called it a day.
>>58527227Oh I see you're just too low iq to see ANY nuance. It's not the game (obviously) but because you, personally, can't imagine people being more than 1-dimensional, then you argue with other people thinking that they can't see that either, so these other people must be stupid to not see it your way... lol
>>58528916that was almost certainly the plan before they realized they really did need to pivot to the new system. It was actually kinda controversial during gen 5 because everyone knew the 3ds was going to come out mid-gen.
■ Setting Materials and Character Notes<Ghetsis>Full name: Ghetsis Harmonia GropiusDesigned with the image of “something terrifying.”Has a scar encircling his right eye.His right hand is injured—no one has ever seen it.Originally, his name was supposed to be “Gētsis.”(“Musically, it should’ve been ‘Gētsis,’ but that was hard to pronounce, haha. / by Masuda”)<N>The cube on N’s waist (nicknamed the “N Cube”) can only be opened by N himself.He doesn’t care about clothing.Since he’s a logical thinker, he rarely gets angry—but when he does, his face is terrifying. Like, “shows up in your dreams” terrifying.Illustrations shown: an anime-style cut of N, his face when he’s truly enraged, and one where he’s gently smiling with a red cap on (without his jacket).The angry face was drawn as a “What would he look like if he got mad?” concept.“N has a baby face.” (by Masuda)<The Goddess>A figure who serves as something like N’s sister or mother.Took care of N.Wears Greek-style draped clothing. (There were notes asking to avoid excessive exposure of her chest, etc.)<Dark Trinity>The Dark Trinity consists of three people:one handsome, one with no particular charm, and one “beautiful zombie” who seems uninterested in the person in front of them.Each of the three has a different design.Designed with a drained-of-energy, empty-shell image.Cling to walls and ceilings.Supposedly rescued by Ghetsis before he began acting as one of the Seven Sages.Called “Darkness” because they make no sound.
>>58529464<Other Notes>Watching the opening again after the ending makes a lot more sense.Festival Missions:The BW Entralink wasn’t well suited for competition due to lag and complexity. It also had the feel of “invading another player’s adventure.”This time, the theme was resonance—playing together—so they created a system that allows large-scale multiplayer interaction.Pokéstar Studios:Originated from Mr. Umino’s idea: “I want to give a sense of Pokémon’s daily lives.”They wanted to include an element for beginners—like an introduction to battles—by having Pokémon fight UFOs or giant robots.The thought process was: “Let’s make it into a movie!”■ Q&A Session (from the 2:00 p.m. segment)Q1. How old are N and Cheren?A1. N is 20 years old. Cheren is 14, the same as Touya, Touko, and Bel.(It’s unclear whether this refers to the BW or BW2 point in time.)Q2. What are Mr. Masuda’s and Mr. Umino’s favorite Pokémon? (from the new Unova Pokédex)A2.Umino: Likes the three monkeys (the designs).Masuda: “Black Kyurem and White Kyurem’s fusion forms are really cool!”Umino: “Stunfisk was so shocking, so let’s just say Masuda likes Stunfisk.”Masuda: “Then sure, let’s go with that—I like Stunfisk (laughs).”Umino: “I ended up buying a ton of Stunfisk goods, haha.”Q3. There seem to be more small gags this time, like the face-cutout sign in Humilau City. Why?A3. (Umino) “I drew things like the face-cutout signboards and the Marine Tube cross-section diagrams.I wanted to add humor and small details to make the world feel more real.”Q4. What about a Ruby/Sapphire remake?A4.Masuda: “Many people, including overseas fans, have been requesting it.If we make it, we want to create something that satisfies everyone.”Umino: “Well, there are still other things we want to make right now…”
>>58528995>Such as many older players losing interest.Because games like Black and White were bad, yes.
>>58523213no thats where pokemon died it was so bad they fired masuda and its been downhill ever since
Nope, but the sequels did
>>58529710Or because they thought Pokémon was for babies and they grew out ofvit, most of which happened before BW came out
>>58531822>Or because they thought Pokémon was for babiesBecause games like BW were designed for babies, yes.
>>58531822>>58531831the real reason is gen 2 killed the interest in pokemon and sabotaged gens 3-6, see >>58527063
>>58523213this was the first generation where "new" pokemon games coming out wasnt a big dealprobably the official mark for when "pokemania" was over
>>58531923newfag detected
>>58531923I think this really depends on who you grew up with desuMy friend group was already grown out if it all by gen4
