>past the pokemon world equivalent of the industrial revolution
>malthusian
wut

I can already think of a few billion that need to go like India and a big chunk of Africa. Thanos did nothing wrong.

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>>58525125
Yep. Lysandre operated philanthropic programs, but he was too giving; the more he gave to the populace and the more he hoped things would get better the bitterer he got when things didn't and people largely stayed the same. So he viewed most people as inherently trash, deserving of death so the 'worthy' could survive, ie Team Flare. Who was populated by rich kids who literally paid their way in and scattered like cockroaches when Calem, Serena, and Shauna kicked Lysandre's ass and their Secret HQ was destroyed.

XY is over 10 years old and you realize it now?

I bet Lysandre could've been blond and you faggots still wouldn't understand the message

>>58525125
Looking at where we are now, Lysandre was right from the get-go.

>L>ysandre's plan was to create a sustainable future by wiping out millions of Euros
dare I say... based?

>>58525196
Pokespe has the protagonists confront Lysandre over the hypocrisy of his chosen ones being rich people and he argues that the rich have more potential to spread prosperity than the poor.

>>58525169
India China Russia all of the Middle East and north and central Africa can all go.

>Out of touch corpos should run the world because...
>They just should, okay?!
Dumb villain.
Dumb villain to try and make sympathetic.

>>58525753
Spread to who? Literally only the rich would be left.

>>58525125
literally just thanos

>>58525169
>>58525859
except thanos only killed people to impress death
he was a massive simp
(yes I know you’re talking about the movies, but that isn’t real thanos)

>>58525125
I don't get why devs think Thano's snap is ever a good, reasonable villain plan, like you cut down the population, excellent, but guess what, it will grow back eventually, then what?

>>58525764
And the USA, don't forget that. The world would be at peace with only Europe, Asia, Canada, and South America.

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I liked my initial interpretation of Lysandre just being blackpilled and manipulating gullible fat cats and yuppies to get them to help accelerate towards a doomsday scenario using the most dangerous weapon he could find.
The fact that he apparently really thought his plan was going to do anything is just too retarded, and Z-A really seems to want you to think that.
Like others in this thread mention, the malthusian population growth model completely shits on the idea that population control can be a one and done thing. And the fact that his plan would essentially result in the feeble prolatairats being the ones to inherent the earth makes no sence. Their wealth would no longer have meaning or value without a lower class to control, and their lack of real world skills would quickly become an issue when there's no one with hands on experience to get shit done.
Don't get me started on X trying to throw immortality into the equation. Or the fact that his plan was apparently only going to effect one city, making the whole scheme even more impotent.

>>58526012
It feels like the scenario writers wanted literal pokemon Hitler while the character writers wanted to follow N's success as a sympathetic antagonist, with bullshit like Lysandre crying for Pokemon or Professor Sycamore trying to frame Lysandre as a genius who only became that way because the world failed him.

>>58525954
>The world would be at peace with only Europe
Dare I mention the stupid thing that happened in the Balkans? Or the subsequent stupid thing that resulted from creating a state that did not want to exist? Or the subsequent stupidity right NOW from states that don't want to exist RIGHT NOW?
Coping with sour grapes, the lot of you.

>>58525948
Also, there's the part where Thanos ignores how resource extraction almost always improves.

>>58525169
Thanos was completely indiscriminate though. And I'd bet the areas you talked about would be the fastest to refill their numbers.

>>58526012
>The fact that he apparently really thought his plan was going to do anything is just too retarded, and Z-A really seems to want you to think that.
no it doesn't.

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>>58525125
Was he wrong? If dwindling resources are a problem and you can't make more resources, you have to cut expenses.

>>58527230
not only was he being biased by choosing who got to live and die, his belief about resources doesn’t really matter in a world where pokémon can create matter out of seemingly nothing

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>>58527230
Yes he was wrong apparently the solution was to become a unionized starbucks the whole time

>>58525125
>villain whose motives are hard to find fault in and arguably better than the hero's

>>58525125
Well quite normal for villains, take Vega/bisson from street fighter, his organization is literally green peace but trying to destroy humanity because humans keep contaminating the planet (trying to really do something unlike real green peace).
If you start checking anime villains you find quite a lot of interesting types.
>vegetarian or vegan, tries to conquer the workd to correct humanity.
>womanizer or playboy, tries to conquer the world to get all the girls he loves and destroy abnormal same sex relationship since are evil.
>evil emperor tries to conquer the world so his closest ones can live happily.
And so on.

>>58525828
That's the issue, rich people don't/can't do shit thus will create a ponzie system to keep a certain status quo and labeling the less rich as working pieces and again same old system will start again.
He didn't have an end goal besides "the chosen by me will survive" instead of going "the talented and skilled will be chosen by me" and offering player something.

>>58527644
Not hard when the hero's motivation in Kalos is either the usual "I'm going to win the league and incidentally stop the bad guys because they're in my way of doing that" or "I'm going to take a vacation in Paris".

>>58527555
>pokémon can create matter out of seemingly nothing

They make it out of their bio-energy, which is NOT is a limitless resource, as they still need to eat and drink in order to produce said energy, so Pokemon consume resources too

>>58527644
low iq take

>>58528263
Obviously letting third world scum breed like rabbits and absolutely obliterating our quality of life when they inevitably move to greener pastures is the high IQ move here.

>>58528400
>the rich have to keep being rich and destroying the world, is fault of smaller countries the world is messed up.
Go back to /pol/ faggot, is clear you will win a darwin award sooner then later.

>>58525125
>life will fill every corner of the planet, until no more life can be sustained
Neat, it's just like the world tree lore from the teraleak. I know that one was rendered non canon even back then but it's nice they're still thinking of it.

>>58525298
>>58527644
>>58528400
This.

>>58529022
Retard.

See what happens when you keep pushing
>Hitler did nothing wrong

>>58528815
I don't know why you pedorapefugees keep posting this shit.

It's not going to convince anyone, it just makes you look worse.

Everyone knows about the jews, even people who'd rather be talking about Pokemon right now.

>Hey Groudon, can you like make some more land please?
>Hey Arceus, can you make earth bigger or like make a whole new planet?
>Hey Palkia, can you stretch out space a little?
>Hey Jirachi, I wish there were enough resources for everyone.
>Hey Xerneas, can you make these deserts fertile?
Nah, anons are right, just Thano's snap, that will surely solve everything long term and cause no other issues.

>>58529062
>Hey bro how about not genociding the poors
>MUH JEWS
A /pol/tard everyone

>>58529032
>hurr retard
>hurr low id
How about an actual argument explaining why a global population of 10 billion would be beneficial for a change?

>>58525753
>literally trying to monopolize all of the world's resources for themselves by killing everyone
>"B-but we can spread the prosperity."
Lysandre is such a piece of shit. I'd respect him more if he just said he wanted to kill billions to see what would happen.

>>58525196
>Who was populated by rich kids who literally paid their way in and scattered like cockroaches
Hey some didn't scatter they opened up "TEAM FLARE DID NOTHING WRONG" trucks

>>58527230
>"The world is full of greedy takers that leech resources away from people who actually produce."
>fills his organization with exclusively those kinds of people purely because they have money
By his own rhetoric he was wrong.

>>58529199
Evidence that it wouldn't?

>>58525196
Wasn't it explained in XY's postgame, anemic as it was, that Lysandre's plan would have killed all of Team Flare too except for the scientists and those hiding underground at his cafe? Even Malva was left to rot and some grunts have dialog about being desperate that he left them behind after they paid the fee for their "salvation".
>>58529339
If you'd left your basement in the last decade you would have all evidence needed for overpopulation being cancerous for everyone and everything except those with the most power, and we're still short a couple of billions.

>>58529701
Anon, you do know the board you are in, right? You know the Pokémon world is very different from our Earth, correct?

>>58525196
I always assumed he didn't intend to spare team flare, or even himself.

>>58529757
You do realise that XY and ZA are the games that most blatantly show how imperfect the Pokemon world is, right?
There is rampant classism, homelessness, mass migration, and government/corporatr suppression of dissenters in these games. (You) even get to aid in some of it by stopping a genocide and taking a street urchin off the streets in XY, and by joining the Yakuza and beating the protesters demanding accountability from a government-sponsored corporation in ZA!

>>58525944
wtf how would someone impress death? of course it's real thanos, didn't you watch infiniti war?

>>58526012
Isn't that literally cyrus? Lysandre wishes he was that cool.

>>58529869
Nothing new mate, remember how in red some houses got ransacked despite police being near.
Then on X you have drug dealers and so on.
Let's be honest modern games just made pokeworld more obvious, you can go retard but it shows how jewish things can go if left unchecked.

>>58525125
>world grows wealthier
????

>>58529701
>>58529805
Correct, Team Flare was part of his targets too. He was genuinely out to kill as many people with the Ultimate Weapon as he could.

>>58531197
Which is why it's funny that the angle they went with Grisham is that they were just indoctrinated children and that #NotAllTeamFlare are homicidal maniacs, only to immediately have the angry sexy whore try to feed you to her mega lion while in a fit of seething rage.
Also Taunie/Urbain kinda became Grisham copycats at the tower for a rather inane reason which was also fucked up and soured me even more on them than the "getting duped by the Yakuza and letting their friends pay off the interest tee hee not even sorry" thing.

>>58531708
The way Team Flare Nouveau acts reminds me of the last stage of genocide.
>10. "Denial": The perpetrators deny that they committed any crimes.
As arrogant as Grisham and Griselle are, it's not hard to see they're coping. Nothing worse than having to accept your political ideology was the devil all along. Instead, pretend everyone else is to blame (Lysandre, Az, the intolerant society) while you were the noble ones all along.
Dunno if that was actually GF's intend to portray how genocide deniers think, but judging how their games are designed for brainless retards, they're more likely to send the message that extremists are le misunderstood good guys instead the other way around (not that it really matters, considering the simping for other criminal and questionable groups).

Basically, the more you think about any logical lore implications, the more fucked up this game and generally the modern pokéworld becomes. It's kinda funny how that makes Lysandre's doomsday plan look more and more reasonable.

>>58531708
well yeah the Gris duo are both coping hardcore about their past, it's not like gamefreak is saying they're right about Team Flares past just that that's their cope due to not wanting to think their whole past is worthless. It's one of the reasons Grisham tries to shift the blame so much. Mable is sort of a mirror to this where she's more blatant about how Flare was fucked up but even she mentions during the Xerneas mission how she is glad her past isn't worthless due to it letting her learn about the pokemon to help you. Basically in short these people need to live in denial to function.

>>58532210
I don't think GF intends for you to buy into their cope

>>58527555
>his belief about resources doesn’t really matter in a world where pokémon can create matter out of seemingly nothing
"Pokemon shall no longer exist."

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>>58532234
Yeah I know it's all just cope on their part, still funny. Though it's nice that they were so secure in their belief that they encouraged the MC to explore the ruined Flare base and form their own opinion based on what they found down there. Lysandre being cursed to become Zygarde's mouthpiece and enact his will for at least a thousand years is also a nice conclusion to his character even if I wish they didn't give him amnesia. I bet we'll see him again in future games playing a sort of Looker/Colress role.

Also, I really really liked Mable's angle. She's not pretending she was never part of a genocidal thinktank but also knows what she did was all sorts of fucked up and is trying to make amends (and avoid prison) by filling in for Sycamore even when she hates being the Mayor's bitch.
At least she can keep doing science and gets a cute foreigner chew toy to run around doing her grunt work and in return she can help them grow and assist them when needed. gods, I love evil women