I don't understand what this game's message is supposed to be. Any time you walk into these quarantine zones, humongous pokemon try to burn and eat you and all the main npcs agree that they should just be let loose to do the same to young children?Am I going crazy? This doesn't make any sense!
>>58531187Well yeah but not all Pokemon try to kill you. Humans try to kill other humans as well and they're walking among each other.
>>58531187They're Dittos in disguise. They're putting themselves in positions of power and this is the start of the Pokemon revolution
>>58531187That's funny, coming from the CEO of the guy who developed holo-tech in the first place.
>>58531187>Shady foreign corporations pushing for policies that ruin your day to day lives is le hecking good for you, stop asking questions and just accept them>The game isn't even subtle about the immigration and ghetto allegories >Hostile architecture>Loan sharks exploiting people is le hecking wholesome>A psychotic rich elite with far too much power in their hands is not something you should worry about, stop asking questions>Game has very unsubtle globalist themes and doesn't try to paint said themes in a bad light tooI'm sure some will scream /pol/ at me, but like come on, you don't need to be a nooticer schizo to see there's propaganda being shoved in your face with this game, even normies agree that's the case.
>>58531187Maybe he should test that thought for himself by either making the city one big wild zone (and not revert it back) or getting rid of the wild zones and showing everyone that alpha and more aggressive Pokémon are perfectly safe to live around.
>>58531244Go back to >>>/pol/
I think an issue that isn't brought up is that the Pokemon are being drawn there, they don't necessarily want to be there either. Then once they're there, they're trapped in the wild zones. I'm sure most of the Pokemon would rather be living in the wild than these glorified zoo exhibits, but very little is done for comfort, either for humans or Pokemon. They fail to resolve the issue that a massive influx of wild Pokemon also puts Pokemon who were living in the city normally at risk(Gogoat can't even work anymore). For a game that attempts to promote Pokemon welfare, they are definitely not considered as anything more than a plot device. Ten violent lions in the city is bad for humans and stressful for the lions who don't want to be crowded onto 1 spit of patio between three office buildings. The game pretends to care about Pokemon but it definitely doesn't, just look how blase they are about rogue mega evolutions. You don't even get to see the Pokemon you help "calm down" afterwards barring 1-2 side quests.
>>58531187You will be mauled by a pride of lions and you will be happy
>>58531409Corralling Pokemon such as dragagle into a puddle under the Eifle Tower is cruelty. Forcing wild Pokemon to be in extremely close proximity with the trainers that subjugate them is cruelty. This is in addition to the plethora of risks humans face by having things such as cancer dragagle in the waters of Lumiose or the pride of lions. Whoever wrote this story didn't care at all about the Pokemon and the things they did care about(the human characters) fell flat for me. What an annoying game...
>>58531187>bad things happen in game>game: these are good things >no explanation and it's obviously badAmazing writing
>>58531409They never get freed either lol the game just ends and it's never resolved
who was the scenario writer?
>>58531244>Loan sharks exploiting people is le hecking wholesomeThe part in the ending sequence where Corbeau is like "maybe we should have a cookout for the residents of Lumiose! :)" just made me roll my eyes like holy crap they are pulling out all the stops to make this mob boss be a bleeding heart saint
>>58531187Part and Parcel in living in a big city
>>58531244Dismantling your cultural icons (Prism Tower) is good actually to create accommodations for your new arrivals.
>>58531839Feels like Genshin where every character is bare minimum shown to be a "good guy" or with good intentions because its a gacha and characters need to sell except pokemon doesnt have this excuse other than being child friendly which if that was the case why even bother with a mob boss type character
>>58531187there's a side quest with trubbish where the moral is explicitly "hey maybe it's not a good idea for pokemon to literally live in the same space as humans"it's obviously supposed to be something that doesn't have a black or white solution
>>58531187Intentionally or not, it's social commentary on the current state of Paris and in a broader sense the West. >>58531199>despite the numbers, not all are trying to harm you>who are you to blame, your kind is doing this as well>>58531409>an eldritch power called "socioeconomic factors" forced those poor pokemon to behave like they doIt's funny how many times I've heard these arguments whenever the downsides or mass migration are brought up. Either downplaying the danger or shifting the blame to the natives for not being too welcoming.>>58531244Nah, you're good. Also don't forget>the game tries to gaslight you that the former villain team wasn't actually trying to commit genocide
>>58531436You'd think those in favor of mass migration thought at least for five seconds about the consequences of their (naive) policy.>>58531864Reminds me of the mixed reactions when Notre Dame was burning.
>>58531489It's implied there will be a resolution in the passage of time after the game.If all the Wild Pokemon started clearing out now that the Mega Energy was finally dying down, then you wouldn't be able to find or capture them anymore, rendering a key part of the Pokemon gameplay loop inaccessible without restarting the entire fucking game.It's the same conundrum of "why can't I go home now that I've done what Arceus asked of me?" in PLA, because there would no longer be a game at that point.
>>58531187this could lead to an interesting turn of events that would be really bad for Lumiose>a new team hijacks the holo barriers and turns them off for a while>pokemon now run rampant and start damaging/killing people and buildings all over the city>the event is called "La tragédie de Lumiose" in future games>Quasartico is blamed for this because this barrier thing was THEIR doing>mayor gets impeached or loses election because this was under that mayor's administration. this mayor also got the major symbol of the city: Prism Tower, destroyed>both Quasartico and the mayor are in super hot shit>Quasartico's new CEO is young and inexperienced so they're in trouble>also, lots of citizen complaints about the loudness of the night battles and battle zones being unsafe
>>58531187Asmondgold is gonna tear this game up I can't wait for that video
>>58531839It's not some grand social engineering plan, anon.It's just because Game Freak knows women go crazy for the "wealthy criminal dark-triad sociopath with a soft side for (You)" archetype, and women are massive consoomers who are willing to spend fucktons of money on their husbandos.
>>58532885no one who watches that retard deserves an opinion on anything
>>58531187a character having an opinion does not mean the narrative is endorsing that opinion.
>>58533224While this is generally right, it should be kept in mind that the narrative does endorse this opinion. All major named characters want to build upon this new coexistence, and in fact, want to remove the wild zones entirely since the barriers keep them segregated. Any skepticism, as little as it is, are nameless npcs whose questlines often involve coexistence being the solution, for example the questline about the chef that is afraid of the pride of lions in Wild Zone 17, but the solution ignores the problem - the lions - and instead goes onto how important skarmony will be to the restaurant business. The only major time these issues are addressed in the story is when a nameless mob of irrelevant NPCs appear to be systematically dismantled by a prominent character you are meant to like, framed as a positive relationship building exercise. Prism Tower is reframed to be a dangerous weapon, a testament to one man's madness, and then destroyed in a cutscene that emphasizes the beauty of it: this is a good thing, the cutscene says. The wild zone 20 is a reward for doing so. With the major issue being resolved, there should be talks about how to get these Pokemon back to their natural habitats, but all the characters only speak on how to properly build upon their new coexistence. I do agree that a character walking in and having an opinion is not the story endorsing it, but that's not the case here: the story is very much designed that the Pokemon are here to stay and that it is the "good" choice(all prominent characters, characters you are meant to like and trust, ubiquitously agree). In Pokemon XY, there's a place called the Pokemon village, where very abused go to because they were mistreated by humans and don't want to be around them anymore. This element of mistreatment of Pokemon by humans at all is suspiciously absent in Z-A, where humans are presented as always well-intentioned at best or misguided at worst.
>>58531187Anon even if there weren't dozens of other instances of it, the Trubbish quest literally smacks you over the head with the idea that co-existence is possible, but Humans and Pokemon are fundamentally different and that needs to be accounted for when trying to accommodate both. L soliloquizing over the Wild Zones doesn't re-contextualize the entire game's subtext, it only frames his opinion and thoughts on the matter
>>58532749I do understand that gameplay mechanics are a driving factor here, but I think better solutions could've been made. Maybe something like a postgame safari zone that's really big(kind of like the Armor Island/Crown Tundra DLCs) where you can still catch Pokemon and add 10-20 more Pokemon to the dex? Maybe a postgame story about helping relocate Pokemon who don't necessarily want to live in Lumiose home? I don't really know, I'm just not very happy with the chosen resolution.
>>58532731>It's funny how many times I've heard these arguments whenever the downsides or mass migration are brought up>it's funny how I always hear the same "because it cleans your body" argument when I ask why we need to get in the shower every day
>>58531244It doesn't really paint them in a positive light. There are NPCs who are not happy with the situation, there is no denying that certain pokemon in the wild zones are aggressive and dangerous, many of the major characters WANT it to work, they HOPE that people and pokemon can live together in the city, but never in the story is it evidenced that this can be achieved. Ivor's retarded solution to "make the human in the city stronger" is actually one of the more realistic ideas.
>>58531187I think your problem is that you are mentally ill, which unfortunately makes it impossible for you to have any media literacy.If it makes you feel any better, most of this thread has the same problem.
I dont get it either. I thought you were supposed to think Ivor was a retard for wanting Pokemon running free in the city but then the idea comes back as if it's actually the solution.
>>58533623I raise your vaguepost by calling you a retard while refusing to elaborate.
>>58532814Luminose is already considered a shithole city and a lost cause, highlighted by the fact that all of the city gates to lead to the other routes of Kalos has been firmly closed, with signage removed. The city is practically quarantined from the rest of the region.
Regardless I still don't understand why they would make an actual graveyard filled with the remains of people's loved ones into a wild zone filled with ghost and poison Pokemon that we KNOW from side quests do infact attack random NPCs, not just you.
>>58531187It's not a good message for animal conservation 2bh. Animals die as roadkill and get sick when they live in urban environments. There's a reason we have nature reserves in real life. You go to India where they roam the streets and there's just carcasses everywhere, probably dying from trying to eat poisonous shit... like indian cuisine.
>>58531420>You will be mauled by a pride of lions and you will be happyThis would make me happy, yes.But seriously, I have big ass snakes, lizards and birds in my yard right now.
>>58532885>Oh my Arceus my literal who e-celeb father figure replacement is gonna heccin tear this game up fr fr no cap
The problem with this whole thought-experiment-made-real of a scenario is it's never really presented properly as to why it's necessary or a good idea in the first place. NPCs ponder on whether wild Pokemon should be kept in the wild areas or let free, when the real question is why there shouldn't be a committed effort to keep wild Pokemon out of the city, specially when something in the city is obviously driving the Pokemon mad.
>>58533635There is nothing to elaborate. We’ve been playing pokemon for over 20 years and accepted all the things op is questioning as a part of how the world works. In almost every single game you see people coexisting with pokemon and forcing them into battles, the game tries to make both look like good things in every single game. Caring about it in the first place and trying to compare it to real life is exactly what makes you mentally ill.
>>58531187Who even cares about this? They'll just walk it back in the next game where the tower will be fixed and all the pokemon will have magically disappeared.They don't have the balls to expand on this.
>>58533676Exactly, but the story is written to facilitate the limitations of the gameplay and overworld, and so it has to try to make sense of something that, when put to any logical test, makes no sense. It only works if you consider Luminose to be an island seperated from the rest of the world or something, but no, it's a city in a region with a ton of areas you can easily filter the pokemon out to. But of course, if the story made sense then you wouldn't be able to catch any pokemon in the city, so they had to contort logic to fit just one location.
>>58531187>Giving any value what so ever to anything Lysander has to sayGet a load of this loser.
>>58533689Anon, we are specifically talking about aggressive wild Pokemon being permitted and encouraged to live in cities, in this specific game. Did you even play it?We aren't talking about the logistics of Pokemon and human relationships as a whole.
>>58533712Why did this game even give the guy a platform in the first place? It's weird the story would even give the character a chance to share his socio-political views.
>>58531391Not an argument
Why do so many wild areas look like they were taken over by force, not deliberately sectioned off?Several wild areas encompass existing city infrastructure intended for human use (like the graveyard), and some even have shit like abandoned vehicles implying there was an impromptu evaluation to escape the wild Pokemon.
>>58533775Because it was a slapdash solution
ZA is unusual in that it's arguably the first game in the series where Pokemon encroaching on humans is presented as a problem. There was Arceus, but that was justified as humans not understanding Pokemon well yet.Usually it's the other way around, humans mistreating Pokemon or the environment, but human society revolves so much around Pokemon that the idea of "No, more Pokemon" in a city has never been anything but a good thing until now.Game Freak introduced a problem, wild Pokemon overrunning a city, but doesn't want to move away from the typical "actually it's our fault, we need to love Pokemon more" response.
>>58533835Well, the issue stems from humans: AZ built the super weapon, and Lysandre is the one who inadvertently activated it by launching the other super weapon. The Pokemon are not at fault, they're being drawn in.
>>58533835>Game Freak introduced a problem, wild Pokemon overrunning a city, but doesn't want to move away from the typical "actually it's our fault, we need to love Pokemon more" response.Obviously because that would harm the ethos of their entire franchise.>you have to catch them all!Which would ruin sales.At least digimon made it better by making it more like a persona and not merely animals to enslave with pokeballs.N should have succeeded. Or Lysandre should have gotten rid of the filthy human vermin.
>>58533775When you think about it, pokemon being so overpowering and strong that they could decimate the human race without co-existence/capture is an interesting thought that might justify things a little more. But then why have dog fights with them for prestige? Is this some sort of military industrial complex with wild pokemon that their society is trying to encourage?
>>58533723>>58533712Hey guys, miss me?
>>58531244Considering pokemon called themselves out many many times... is this really an issue?Pokemon capture has always been a controversy within the world of pokemon. It literally drives the conflict in most of the games.The answer is generally something like:>but we're friends and we care about each otherIt's literally no different to commentary on pets and to me, even as a kid, it was sorta like that (only I never wanted my dog to be forced to fight anything except burglars).
>>58531244>Loan sharks exploiting people is le hecking wholesomeI'd sell him my kidney. He's wholesome and trustworthy.And hot.
>>58533717This isn’t the first time you can find wild pokemon living in a city on a pokemon game.
>>58533927Yes but the actual obvious solution is to use the holo tech to keep the Pokemon out entirely. It's literally for their own good. Then. Being drawn to the tower isn't their own will. But character dialogue creates this false narrative that we are encroaching on the Pokemon's freedom by not letting them move as they please.
>>58533986No, the gimmick is it's the first time it's literally enforced.
>>58533996Just like real life. They're called nature reserves.Only in real life, animals are threatened far more by us than the other way around.Unless... you live where I live where snakes, jellyfish, spiders and sharks regularly kill people and the government can't really control them well. Hmmm... Australia is kinda nuts now that I think about it and much worse than pokemon, kek. You tame these fucking things here and they don't stop through anything but extermination.
>>58533964Unbelievably.
>>58534013The issue is that AREN'T nature reserves. This wasn't a city built around nature with designated areas picked out to leave as is. A lot of them aren't even man made parks intended to accommodate Pokemon. Several wild areas just look like regular city infrastructure that they quarantined off.
>>58533954God itself designed Pokemon to love battling alongside trainers because trainers unlock their true potential, it's basically the literal only thing keeping them from basically exterminating humanity in its entirety.
>>58532749they should have thought on that when deciding to stick only to the urban ring>>58533577like the zoo being relocated outside the city in ATLA
>>58533964I want to see him debate Arceus himself after we learned humans catching and battling Pokemon is a divine proclamation from god themselves (who of course, is a Pokemon).
>>58533545NTA but I don't think the narrative really does endorse either opinion. Every time even the topic of "Can humanity truly live alongside Pokemon?" is raised, it's always framed as a question to ponder. The people who believe in that dream always bring up that they don't know if it could be done, but want to try regardless. Game also presents plenty of dialogue for both sides of the argument. The reason you're even given the quest to find the Skarmory feather in Zone 17 is BECAUSE the chef is afraid of the lions and does not have the means to accomplish the task himself without your intervention. You have people who say that maybe it would just be better to keep humans and pokemon at arms length because both can too easily disrupt the lives of the other.It's all basically a confrontation of the dilemma Lysandre proposed in XY, he wanted to fire the ultimate weapon because he believed that without intervention, eventually one side will effectively consume the other, either by Pokemon overruning human civilization or humans expanding to a point that there's no longer any place for wild pokemon to live on their own. It's honestly pretty interesting how ZA looks into exploring how to address the very real concern Lysandre faced in X-Y in a way that does not sacrifice Pokemon or Humanity for it, while still showing how truly addressing the issue is challenging without any easy solution. But even then, is it really shocking that Pokemon of all franchises would endorse a pro-environmentalist message about learning to co-exist with nature rather than living a life of excess at the expense of nature? Pokemon as a franchise would not exist if it's creators did not have lived experiences with exploring nature, obviously those same creatives are going to lean towards a message of preserving it so it may continue to serve as inspiration for future creatives.
>>58534114The narrative is super wishy washy and non committal, quick to point out holes in the system's logic while never following them through, because the writers like the idea of a dilemma but also realize following it to its conclusion(s) renders the entire premise of the game as a failed experiment (in universe, I mean, this isn't a shot at the game as a game).
>>58533676that's because it's not. the wild pokemon are coming in because of the energy leaking from ange. the corp was hired to cover it up and damage control.
>>58534196Yeah I think it's clear where the bias on where the creators are leaning, but I think its non-committal nature is intentional because it doesn't want to give you it's answer, it wants to just merely present the argument and leave it up to the player to figure out where they stand on it. The fact that it makes sure to never depict the wild zone idea as a genuinely good solution is testament to that.
>>58534196the problem with the dillema is that the genie is out of the bottle. you can't just shoo the wild animals away once they set up shop. it's a microcosm of the exact issue lysandre went doomer over in xy. the wild zones are a quick and dirty solution by queso corp, but they don't how to deal with it long term either. if the game's sayimg anything it's that people can compromise and adapt to changing conditions.
>>58534196Can't tell if you're talking about Z-A or B/W.
>>58534109I want to see N get fucked by Arceus during this debate too for scientific reasons.
>>58534114Lysandre's dilemma is about human greed, not about Pokemon. The reason why he openly weeps is because they are, and have always been, an unfortunate victim of humanity, and that once again, perhaps for the final time, they will become the victim and he must be the one who brings down the scythe. His nihilism comes from exposure to humanity in its worst elements, and not once does he ever state or imply in XY that Pokemon are part of the problem that he plans to eliminate. Pokemon, in both XY and Z-A and all games, are victims of human interests. I disagree that the game provides many opportunities for both sides because the game is lacking a major character who is consistently and vocally against what's happening. One side is a colorful cast of characters that are featured in the main story with unique designs, dialogue, designs, arcs, while the other side that asks those questions are generic characters, shuffled into side quests, and generally shown in a light that highlights they're wrong for their beliefs. The chef is interesting because his intention is to exploit Skarmony by taking its feather for his own business, and ultimately convinces Skarmony that it should allow him to do so because it would help his restaurant. I don't thonk this is a pro environmentalist message: environmentalists don't want wildlife to be exploited, put into danger by humans or corralled into tiny cages so humans can find ways to exploit them. Humans in Z-A seem to boil down to: how can I benefit from this? Instead of: how to help the Pokemon? And the issue is that this is presented as the right course of action. That being said, I do understand that a game needs to happen, and quests need to be there, and these things need to exist to facilitate gameplay, and the story isn't that serious, ect... I'm just generally not satisfied with how the game handles its treatment of Pokemon. The game severely lacks a "voice" for the Pokemon. It lacks an N to champion for them.
>>58534683I should say that I don't mean that it needs N specifically, but it needs a prominent character that is actively championing for what's best for them. Thinking back, the closest we get is Mable, but her hands are tied: she's a former terrorist and the mayor obviously doesn't care what she has to say. The mayor sees a benefit in what's happening, and is exploiting the situation, a situation that the story frames as something that everyone should learn to live with by the end of the game.
>>58531223Why is that funny? It would only be natural for him to weigh his decisions.
>>58533654I remember some dude bantering about graveyards being the first part of real civilization, a way to remember and keep away the remains of loved ones from those that sought to use them for rituals and shit, the first acknowledgement of community and the other as a center of civilization.Maybe there's a reason as to why there's such a visceral hate when graves are defiled across multiple civilizations.
>>58533835The entirety of Orre had the reverse, a place so abused there were no wild pokemon left.
>>58531187If you hate your enemies, they win
>>58534829If you know who your enemies even are, they win.
>>58534957Also this is called "publicity" nowadays.
>>58533996Wild zones are new. Wild pokemon in cities aren’t. You’re being an unreasonable idiot either way
>>58533996Wild zones are really no different to safari zones
>>58534969>Wild pokemon in cities aren’tWho's making the argument they are?
>>58534985If all the areas were park like habitats, sure, but it's hard to ignore stuff like >>58533775
>>58534829>>58534957How does this at all make sense?
>>58534683I'll admit that I didn't fully remember the details from XY as it's been so long since I've played them, I was working off what aspects of Lysandre's dilemma they made sure to reintroduce to the player in ZA when you explore Team Flare's run down lab. That moment in ZA framed Lysandre's dilemma as one of over-consumption.I'm not sure how you really drew that conclusion from the Skarmory quest tho, you weren't asked to pluck a feather from the Skarmory, just to find one that was shed in the zone it made it's habitat. When you eventually find the shedded feather the Skarmory becomes territorial for, the chef convinces the Skarmory to let him take the feather by explaining that he only wishes to use it's feather to create a knife that could be served to create and cook meals for both people and pokemon. If you ever go back to his restaurant, you can actually find that Skarmoy now hanging out alongside him. His story is a microcosm of the future AZ hoped could one day exist. By nothing more than a chance encounter between a man and a pokemon, the two creatures were able to come to an understanding of one another and now peacefully co-exist together. You could imagine a day where that wild Skarmory eventually becomes that chef's partner pokemon, like how you can find that the missing Gengar from the Goodbye, Gengar side quest coming back to the guy who lives in the formerly abandoned building and becoming that man's partner pokemon after co-existing together.
>>58531244Criminal with a heart of gold is a pretty common archetype. But Jacinthe is actually ridiculous, fuck that whore. That entire sequence was asinine.
>>58535138A lot of the sidestories are like this; some NPC has a problem with a wild Pokemon and asks you to get rid of it, after a battle they come around to that Pokemon and become their partner or ask you to take care of it. In this way people and Pokemon can get along harmoniously like everyone wants.It's just the Wild Zones that are the problem.
>>58535149>He doesn't love pokemon battle tournamentsFaggot, i bet you're a coordinator or some gay shit like that
>>58535101Marketing 101.This is why surveillance is a mistake.
>>58535138Skarmony was compelled to go to Lumiose and subsequently trapped in Wild Zone 17, to which an opportunistic man decided to utilize this for his benefit. If several slowpoke were lured in a well and their tails were harvested for a restaurant's benefit, this would be seen as a poor act. Skarmony, and all Pokemon drawn to Lumiose, are not there by choice, they are brought by a compulsion made by a human, where they are forced to live in tiny environments and are exploited, whereas the right thing to do would be to relocate these wild Pokemon to their natural habitats. That would be a pro-environmentalist message. As it stands now, Pokemon are defined by their usefulness to humans in Z-A. AZ is not a man I would cite as a champion for Pokemon rights: he is a deeply evil man, who murdered millions of people and Pokemon both for a selfish reason, and went onto make a new weapon that would harm millions more if it were put to use. His dream was not for Pokemon and humanity to be united, it was for him and Floette to be united and for those who killed her to pay, a drastically different and infinitely more selfish thing, which is why she left him. His selfish dream was built on the blood of millions. He is practically the king of exploiting Pokemon for the most disgusting reason besides someone like Giovanni, who at can at least admit that he does it on purpose because he wants money.
i feel like i'm of the complete opposite mind, za's 'bad guys' made perfect senseit's all a cover-up to prop up property valuations of the city in a conspiracy jointly run by a corrupt mayor and a big corporation, and they also get plausible deniability by claiming it's to avoid panic and also for economic stability. this is probably the most realistic main scenario of any pokemon game
>>58535492The Wild Zones are the doing of the mayor's office, Quasartico simply provides the technology and are working on redevelopment. Mable complains that the mayor keeps approving new Wild Zones despite the consequences requiring research beforehand.
>>58535557mable isn't with quasartico, she's working for the governmentquasartico being responsible for redevelopment is why they're trying to keep it hush hush because if word got out that there's basically a nuke in the middle of lumiose city, the properties they're developing would have no tenants
>>58535634I do think there's something insidious about how they purposely chose a powerless person(there's no way she can stop anything that's going on without being ignored or risking her position) to take Professor Sycamore's place while he's out of town. I personally thought that had Professor Sycamore, Dexio, and Sina been there, things would have played out differently in Lumiose in general due to their active interference. It's no coincidence that he's gone and suddenly the mayor is demanding wild zones and the only person in a prominent position to protest is someone who is disempowered to begin with. You're right in saying >>58535492 and I think there's enough evidence to support it being the case, but I think that there's never a moment where these misdeeds are fully unveiled and condemned, Quasar is considered a benevolent and helpful organization, the mayor is never confronted or even seen, and the closure we get doesn't address these things. It feels unsatisfying to me.
>>58531187>Any time you walk into these quarantine zones, humongous pokemon try to burn and eat yougenerally speaking, when you lock animals acclimated to open spaces into claustrophobic environments they have no means of escaping from, they're going to lash outthe majority of pokemon outside of wild zones are not aggressive and the ones that are typically have out-of-the-way territory they relegate themselves to with the exception of alphas that are clearly not in a normal state of mind considering they always chill out after being captured or knocked out
>>58531187Aggressive wild Pokemon just feel like a non-factor when you consider all it takes is one decent trainer to put them in their place. Yeah, sure, the Pyroar keep spawning for the sake of gameplay. But really, you just need a couple of good trainers to capture them, train them, and they can easily live alongside humans.
>>58535390meanwhile I think the flying pokemon like skarmory are actually some of the few pokemon that likely can actually get out of wild zones. I doubt those holograms have a ceiling.>If several slowpoke were lured in a well and their tails were harvested for a restaurant's benefit, this would be seen as a poor act.it's been established for years that slowpoke shed their tails naturally, and the reason the tail plot was wrong was that they were being cut off instead of allowed to naturally fall off. the slowpoke don't need their tails once they've been naturally shed, and the skarmory didn't need its feather once it was naturally shed, the only reason it got aggressive is because skarmory is a naturally more combative species
>>58533835All they had to do was make the game more than 1 city
>>58535876Let's be honest here, good trainers are rare as fuck, almost everyone in a region has only 2 unevolved pokemon.
>>58535876Good trainers are an extremely rare breed though, not everyone is a prodigy who can handle owning hundreds of Pokemon like the protagonist can. Most struggle to provide for even three Pokemon because they have to factor in expenses like food, healthcare that goes beyond what Pokemon Centers can effortlessly treat, and all the specific mannerisms and needs that each individual species needs that sets them apart from all the others.
>>58537657I remember the galar game treating the player character as a genius for using water gun against a fire Pokemon.It's not just a matter of being an average shitter with 3 Pokemon, this game treats the jacinthe psychopanths giving good advice to a kid as harassment, being bad is a virtue in their society at that point.
>>58533928>Which would ruin sales.They already ruined that ethos beyond repair with Dexit and this retarded fanbase responded by making SWSH sell better than every game except for RGBY.
>>58533928> digimon made it better by making it more like a persona and not merely animals to enslave with pokeballsMan no I hate Digimon's Lukewarm bullshit the most of all monster tamer games. They act like Digimon are meant to be real characters with depth but they're like 3 year old children who barely have any real personality at all, and the games make it super clear that they imprint on their owner/tamer and it edits their personality to match which is levels of fucked up control that not even Pokemon gets into. Their half-assed approach to Digimon is literally the worst of all worlds.Ever seen ANYONE talk about a Digimon's personality and character???? Not even 1 out of 100 Digimon are worth remembering let alone caring about. Even Pokemon does a better job writing memorable characters and Pokemon is fucking bottom of the barrel for RPG quality.
>>58537777What's weird is that the last Digimon project was a blatant immigration allegory (and it had "partner" Digimon with their own lives outside of hanging out with the humans). At first every Digimon just hurts humans out of misunderstandings, and the cast are hardcore pacifists who barely even fight anyone... and then they start running into Digimon who are just plain evil. The first time this happens, the Digimon they want to "befriend" straight up murders one of them and they just freeze up because they have no idea how to handle a situation where talking things out doesn't work.Unfortunately the plotline they were setting up about finding the middle path between idealism and cynicism got derailed by mid-season rewrites, so the character who was calling out their suicidal pacifism goes from "he's an asshole but he has a point, I'm gonna do some introspection then sit down with him and have a proper debate about all this" to "actually he's just evil" and they end the story by beating him up without answering the question.
>>58537671The issue with the SBC or whatever they're called isn't that they're giving advice, it's that they're intrusive sweats and imposing it onto people who don't give a shit, in this case literal children on a playground. Thinking on it a little more its another facet of this core idea the game makes gestures at of how good intentions don't excuse headass methods or behavior but everything else is so wishywashy I feel like i'm putting more thought into it than they did
>>58534683>I disagree that the game provides many opportunities for both sides because the game is lacking a major character who is consistently and vocally against what's happening.Ivor is this, no? He's at least consistently against the formation of Wild Zones, and his take isn't actually as moronic as it seems during his introduction.
>>58539059>I feel like i'm putting more thought into it than they didIt's because we care, don't feel ashamed of this, the main concern is that they apparently didn't think this through.
>>58535307If you were burning alive I wouldn’t even bother pissing on you. Dumb Jacinthefag.
>>58534985Except people and businesses live in wild zones. Imagine your apartment is in wild zone 17 and you come home and it’s blocked offThat’s the biggest drawback. I’m not pulling a shift at cafe Le Yeah just to get mauled by a Pokémon on my way home. I’m moving to a city with natural route and resources. Cops in Lumi don’t do shit either it’s all up to some tweens
>>58531244Where the fuck were you at when swsh's villain team was functionally in control of the entire galarian economy but people thought rose was some kind of dumbass awful villain?It doesn't matter how long off the energy crisis is, what matters is that a fat neolib retard is taking a genuine problem and making it worse because he owns the banks. The only person who even remotely tries to stand up to him is leon and he just wants to delay things by a day so he can play footy.>>58533545>>58534114How does Legends Arceus factor into this broader conversation, considering it too was about human/pokemon coexistence, but from the perspective of humans encroaching on pokemon environments? It feels to me like it has a more cohesive, or at least less contradictory, view on the matter even if the looming colonization and urbanization of Hisui into Sinnoh is constantly in the background of the story, almost as a mirror to the Lumiose Redevelopment Project and Wild Zones
>>58531187It's a critque of mass immigration. Pokemon = Third worlders.
>>58533775>when she smells jasmine nearby
>>58533775That's a cute pupper in the middle.
>>58531187>>58531244
>>58533775aww look he's smiling :)
>>58531244>>58531187The writing is retarded, yeah.But there's no "le message". You've been poisoned by youtube.
>>58539933Mainstream franchises are propaganda machines. If you aren't aware of that simple fact, your kind is not meant for this domain, outside of /trash/.
>>58531187It's fucked up how the Pokémon in this game are more aggressive than the ones in PLA
>>58531244>ask for money>be given money>they ask for the money back>WTFAmerican detected.
>>58539947Or maybe I'm not American so I don't act based on dumbass fiction.If your mind and personality are affected by things that aren't real or simply because they tell you to you have a smooth brain and a low IQ.
Just support opening the borders, anon. You know you want to like with those wild pokemorinos
>>58533189It's amazing how many people just miss how nearly every design in Pokemon these days is made specifically to pander to specific audiences based off of market research. And the mons themselves are now made to become memes on social media.
