Is this the most irrelevant champion ever?
>>58537147Iris exists, so sadly not
>>58537147iris
>>58537147or alder
>>58537164>>58537165Wrong. Iris is still used in official materials as the Champion of Unova.>>58537170 is correct, Alder is terminally irrelevant. Even Wallace has more relevance than him.
>>58537164>>58537165Even Kalos cares more about Iris than Diantha.>>58537170Alder has a ancestor portrait in Arceus and Z-A.
>>58537186>Alder has a ancestor portrait in Arceus and Z-A.Diantha had way more screen time in ashnime
>>58537176> Wrong. Iris is still used in official materials as the Champion of UnovaSo is Diantha. What’s your point?>>58537186>Even Kalos cares more about Iris than DianthaNot really.
>>58537196>Diantha had way more screen time in ashnimeShe nearly lost to Ash in her first matchup with him and gets destroyed by Leon.
>>58537147alder is memed to be a cuckold in japan so its him
>>58537208So? at least she was in Masters 8
>>58537164>>58537165I dunno about relevance but Iris isn't remembered as as literal doormat
>>58537217So??? That's horrible for her considering that anime champions back then were considered another league on their own.
>>58537147Anyone else think it’s cooler when the champion isn’t around? It’s fun in concept bumping into Steven and Cynthia but I’d rather see them as far off goals over having them stick their fingers into the plot.
>>58537164>>58537165>>58537176Iris and Diantha are flops, but for different reasons.Iris has been a huge flop in Japan since her creation, but since someone at Game Freak really likes her, she keeps getting shilled.Diantha was created to be another Cynthia, and just like Iris, she got a ton of shilling until they realized it was pointless and just gave up.
Idk about you guys saying AlderAlder appearance: BW, B2W2Diantha appearance: XYThat's 2 for 1, sorry. Plus, it's kinda telling that Diantha's competition for relevance is a old man that retired his position.
>>58537147Nope, Geeta
>>58537164>>58537165Iris was in the anime and is the only champion aside from Lance to be a previously established character in an earlier game. The real answer is Geeta, even the game treats her like a joke (although diantha is a close second)
>>58537227Yes she is.>>58537281>Iris was in the anime Which makes it extra sad that she’s somehow even less popular and relevant than Diantha.
>>58537314>Which makes it extra sad that she’s somehow even less popular and relevant than Diantha.Based on what?
>>58537314>Y-Y-YES SHE IS!!Good talkin' to ya, Nancy boy.
>>58537231Ash was already on the level of Elite 4 by end of Hoenn.
>>58537186Thats not true. Diantha has like 3 npc mentions about her new movie
>>58537332Based on not being underaged.>>58537349I’m sorry your champion sucks.
>>58537389Yet, he lost to Cameron.
>>58537399>goalpost movedEven then, she's still less popular than Geeta.
>it's a yawnfag thinks Gen 6 is older than the DS games episode
>>58537419How much of that Geeta art is being carried by Rika
>>58537147It's 100% Alder. Too bad because he's hot :(
>>58537428How much of that Diantha art is being carried by Cynthia?
>>58537147Its Wallace, people forget he is a Champion
>>58537453This is a very niche ship surprisingly. Like its just not popular enough to be considered carrying
>>58537147Cynthia doesn't find her to be irrelevant.
>>58537518wholesome <3
>>58537147Not even close
>>58537518Where was Cynthia in XY?
>>58537147Iris and Geeta exist
the actual answer is trace followed by wallace btw
>>58537147Geeta is so irrilevant even you "rember x?" fags keep forgetting herSadly Diantha is in second place because someone at tpc fucking hates her but she is very pretty ad fuckable
So forgettable that nobody ever remembers they’re champions
>>58537836(You) are the champion
>>58537836because they're not champions and you didn't pay attention to the game
>>58537836Honestly its probably because hardly anyone actually considers the Alola League to be legitimate
No one remembers the original Kanto champion. Not even it's Elite Four remembers them.
>>58537836That could go for Blue too, no one really consider him as a champion, besides maybe Master Sex players, Blue has always been a rival before a champion (and a gym leader)No one really remembers him being a gym leader either hecause being rival comes first, same goes for kukui and Hau and they arem't even technically championsBtw I agree the correvt answer is geeta
>>58537844Are you retarded? That's literally the whole point, it's the first time they do it and they're trying to legitimize themselves. That they built something similar as a gag is the real accomplishment.
>>58537872Yes in the story. But no one outside of it such as anon here consider that league to be legitimate
>>58537841>>58537843They are the champions if you lose to them
>>58537147>diantha does fucking nothing in xy>does nothing AGAIN in zawhy did they even bother making gardevoir the ace of a champion if they were going to screw her over this badly, its so stupid, the anime at least tried a little.
>>58537237>Diantha was created to be another Cynthia, and just like Iris, she got a ton of shillingIt's important to point out that Diantha didn't have shilling at all until years after XY released.
>>58537147She is but I like her more than who came after anyway.Maybe more than Wallace too I don't really give a shit about him either.
>>58537766How do Geetafags cope?
>>58537984I cope by giving her creampies
>>58537170Alder has a Bug team with a Volcarona ace, he's memorableDiantha team is generic and her ace isn't even from Kalos. Bosses are mostly identified by their aces and there are a ton of bosses with Gardevior in their team
>>58537821People don't really consider Trace a champion but you are right>>58537942>>58537947They thought giving her Gardevoir was all they needed to do to make her popular. It makes a lot more sense when you consider all the lazy attempts to make her artificially popular before needing to backpedal and say "no she's totally friends with Cynthia, guys" years later>Gardevoir Ace>Modeled after a very beautiful woman (Audrey Hepburn)>Team is designed to emphasize certain regional traits like the Fossils and Pseudo>First game with 3D presentation (yet they wasted so much time on Team Flare they didn't even model her with a normal proportions model)I have to scrape for all these traits because Game Freak likely either didn't have time to finish her because XY's development was so stripped or they were so focused on Team Flare that they half-assed the League setting again like usual (notably affected games like Hoenn, Sinnoh and Kalos the most)
>>58538351>Diantha team is genericYep. Cynthia has the same problem.
>>58538393meds
>>58538393Cynthia has Garchomp ace, when you fight her it will be the first time you encounter a Garchomp, it's memorable that way, know what I mean?Cynthia's ace isn't unique to her, it isn't from Kalos and players have already seen a Gardevior as they play the game, her team has no theme or memorable pokemon.I don't remember the name of the Kalos elite 4 but I can still identify them because they actually have Kalos aces and themed teams: the water dude has Barbaracle ace, Malwa is a Team Flare member with Pyroar ace, the Steel dude has Aegislash, and Drasna has a Noivern
>>58538351Diantha has Mega Gardevoor ace, when you fight her it will be the first time you encounter a Mega Gardevoir, it's memorable that way, know what I mean?Cynthia's ace isn't unique to her, it isn't from Sinnoh and players have already seen a Garchomp as they play the game, her team has no theme or memorable pokemon.I don't remember the name of the Sinnoh elite 4 but I can still identify them because they actually have Sinnoh aces and themed teams: the bug dude has Drapion ace, Bertha is an Agatha clone with Hippowdon ace, the Fire dude has Infernape, and boring Psychic guy has a Bronzong
looks like the kalosshizo got a little melty
Whats the point of these same shitty threads day after day? All it does is cause incoherent meltys from retards
>>58537881damn, so ash is a meme champion
>>58538486Because how else can you prove Kalos is forgettable and irrelevant if you don’t screech about it 24/7 and ironically prove it’s not forgettable and irrelevant?
>>58538491Unironcally yes. I came back to the ashime afters years of absence just to see the Alolaleague and its all retards. Its the freest league in the series
>>58538499This post deserves a soijak.
>>58538436I have problems with her team too mainly that it does not have FLORGES however, gardevoir is much more forgivable than say Leon having Zard again. Megas were considered "new" pokemon so its fair. You could see that they tried to patch it up by giving the rest of her team all Kalosmons but the ones they choose were ill fitting
To those saying that Alder is less relevant than Diantha, why?
>>58538530Because Alder is from a DS game and my schizo delusions tell me only DS fans dislike XY.
>>58537147>Leon the UNBEATABLE champion>goes down easier than the weatherman
>>58537147Her and Geeta are the absolute fucking worse
>>58538543As a DS fan I like XY far more than SM and the majority of the games that came after it because it was the last game that allowed you any semblance of freedom before the series turned into hallway simulator and forced 99 cutscenes before you reached the first city
>>58538530Probably because he isn’t even the final boss of his own game and only exists to job to N
>>58538486It's good for letting out pent-up frustration with the game because GF isn't going to improve (or go back to the OG) any time soon
>>58538454>Cynthia's ace isn't unique to herHuh?>it isn't from SinnohWhat? >and players have already seen a GarchompWhere?
>>58538436>Diantha’s ace isn't unique to herHuh?>it isn't from KalosWhat?>and players have already seen a Mega GardevoirWhere?
>>58537147*kneels respectfully*
>>58538584SM literally has more optional content than XY, the fuck are you on about?
>>58538654>modifies the postWhy do you put yourself through humiliation rituals like this?
>>58538683>liesWhy do you put yourself through humiliation rituals like this?
>>58538711What did I lie about?
>>58538660Why don't you carefully reread and understand what I was actually complaining about instead
>>58538683What did I modify?
KEKYPOOPY!
>>58538658>>>58538658Lance kneeling to his future wife who he fled to Kalos with so he doesnt have to marry his cousin as ordered by the Dragon Master to keep his bloodline pure
>>58537237Everyone in XY is a flop, even Serena and the 2013 Hex Maniac are since their fake popularity didn't get them in ZA.
>>58538785>he doesnt have to marry his cousinI do genuinely believe this is what the dragon clan does a la Targaryen.
>>58537855There was no original champion. Lance's defeat dialogue makes it clear (You) would be champion now if not for your rival.
>>58538351>He’s memorable because I say soThis is why people make fun of this specific group of Pokemon fans that I wont name
Sorry a hot chocolate loli with exposed toes with always be relevant
You kalosfags are so fucking defensive, it's weird. How does saying that Diantha is irrelevant = Kalos worst gen ever somehow?
You anti-kalosfags are so fucking defensive, it's weird. How does saying that Diantha is relevant = Kalos best gen ever somehow?
>>58539066Yawnfag isn't really a fan of Kalos he's thrown it under the bus numerous times to get ahead. Really his brain is just melted from years of genwarring and I don't think he even knows what he wants to achieve anymore.
>>58539107>Yawnfag isn't really a fan of Kalos he's thrown it under the bus numerous times to get aheador he just has consistent objective standards and is willing to say bad things about games he likes unlike DS zoomers
>>58537147Anyone saying Geeta is wrong and did not play Scarlet/Violet. Geeta might be a gigantic fucking jobber but she gets several appearances and plenty of buildup ahead of her Champion fight, and more importantly she runs the Pokémon League which is a very relevant organization in Paldea, she's basically the head of government. There's a whole separate aspect of her character with her being a ruthless bitch of a boss to half of the cast, she remains relevant throughout the postgame.Diantha appears in one (1) cutscene early in the game where she says and does nothing of significance (actually I think she joins Sycamore talking about how interesting and definitely not obviously evil Lysandre is) and then disappears until the story is over and you fight her at the Pokémon League. Every other Champion in the series, Lance, Wallace, Iris, all of them play some bigger role and do SOMETHING to help you in the story, at least once. Diantha is the ONLY one who does jack shit, there's no contest here.
>>58539113>all of them play some bigger role and do SOMETHING to help you in the story,not really
>>58539112>or he just has consistent objective standardsReally? What are they? You going to answer this time or ghost the thread?
>>58537147This is fact and any other answer is factually wrong because even Gardevoir couldn't carry her and that's one of the most popular Pokemon of all.
>>58539122>Really? What are they?Look up what "objective" and "standards" mean in the dictionary.
>>58537170This is fact and any other answer is factually wrong because even Volcarona couldn't carry him and that's one of the most popular Pokemon of all.
>>58539115Blue is your rival and also fights Team RocketYou team up with Lance at the Lake of Rage/Mahogany TownYou run into Steven a few times and team up with him at the Space Center and some other placesWallace helps you summon Rayquaza in Emerald and gives you the HM for WaterfallCynthia is repeatedly encountered and helps you against Team GalacticAlder mentors you and Cheren throughout the game and opposes Team PlasmaIris is a former Gym Leader and again helps you against Team PlasmaI shouldn't have to explain Leon or Nemona and I already addressed GeetaDiantha is the only Champion in the entire franchise who does basically nothing for you or with you. But I do have a small correction, she shows up to talk with the Professor and do nothing two (2) times, not just once.
>>58539124>Stardard: an idea or thing used as a measure, norm, or model in comparative evaluations.Ok? Now what? Are you going to say what these standards you use to judge the games are?
>>58539130>Are you going to say what these standards you use to judge the games are?Having dancing men as a roadblock is bad
>>58539130Undermining your entire story by having a grunt kick a Munna at the beginning of the game is bad
>>58539107That guy doesn't give a fuck about any of the gens he "defends." He just uses them to shit on Unova at every turn. He might not even be a Pokemon fan. It's literally apart of the soijack party troll guides to make everything about Unova for max ragebait.
>>58539129>Cynthia is repeatedly encounteredso is Diantha>and helps you against Team Galacticexcept she doesn't
>>58539136As a newfag trying to follow this thread, he should just kill himself because what the fuck is even happening here
>>58539130Having each Pokemon have only one poorly made tweening animation is bad
>>58539137Okay. Cynthia appears four times, gives you multiple tools for progression, and acknowledges Team Galactic in an adversarial way.Diantha appears twice, does nothing for you and remains ignorant/sympathetic toward Lysandre.
>>58539150>Cynthia appears four timesand every single time she's completely irrelevant>gives you multiple tools for progression,no she doesn't>and acknowledges Team Galactic in an adversarial way.yes and Diantha acknowledges Team Flare in an adversarial way
>>58539155Jesus fucking christ, Ill bite. >HM Cut>Secret Potion Ill just name these two items. Give me at least one from Diantha
>>58539155We'll keep pretending Platinum doesn't exist so please do keep trying your best to convince anybody that CYNTHIA is the least relevant Champion in the franchise
>>58539163Gardevoirite>>58539169You wanting to fuck her doesn't make her relevant bro
>>58539172Post game and does not help you progress the main XY story
>>58539169Cynthia.....MENTIONED Team Galactic? HOLY FUCK SINNOHSISTERS SHE DOES SO MUCH IN THE STORY THIS IS PEAK
>>58539178Collecting mega stones is progressing the story.
>>58539180>zoomer shitposting with a tenor gifOh brother
>>58539136Yawnfag was ok at the start of his "career" around Gen 7 when he did small stuff like say Gen 7's difficulty was being incorrectly written off as too easy, but when he started fighting for Gens 6 and 8 his sanity just completely collapsed. Now all he cares about is putting down the DS games, for nothing. It's an unhealthy obsession. I could even excuse it, but the really irritating part is how he insists his standards are consistent when they really aren't. If they were he wouldn't even be here, because he doesn't think the majority of the games, including XY, have good stories. He's fighting for a character he doesn't care about, from a plot he doesn't care about, for nothing.
Why is she so bland and uninteresting? She barely does anything in the game except briefly talk to the main antagonist and randomly say a couple lines of dialogue to you in the middle of the game. Her team is kind of neat and has nice variety but it's meaningless anyway since her champion fight is so fucking easy. It's kind of sad how much missed potential they had with her character, if they actually had time to finish the game maybe they could've developed her more. Anyway, thanks for letting me rant about Cynthia. Pic unrelated.
>>58539192>he insists his standards are consistent when they really aren'tWhich part of his standards aren't consistent? You going to answer this time or ghost the thread?
>>58539198The sentences immediately after that greentext gives an example, are you going senile?
>>58539210>The sentences immediately after that greentext gives an exampleNo it doesn't.
>>58539210>he doesn't think the games with bad stories have good stories so his standards are inconsistent!!!uh....ok?
>>58539212>>58539214What is it about Diantha's character makes you want to defend her?
>>58538504i completely agree with you. the other leagues are more legit because they've been tested over and over until they have clear outliers as the elite four + champion, but they all have to start somewhere i guess.
>>58539224What is it about Cynthia's character makes you want to defend her?What is it about Iris's character makes you want to defend her?
>>58537766god her design is so fucking garbage
>>58539232This can only make sense if you think Cynthia, Diantha, and Iris are the exact same characters with the exact same execution in their stories. If you do, nothing actually changes, you are still in a position where you have to explain why you want to defend Diantha. Actually, I can put you an even worse position by asking you for your opinions on Cynthia and Iris too.
>>58539260>This can only make sense if you think Cynthia, Diantha, and Iris are the exact same charactersthey effectively arethey're all bland cardboard planks who have zero relevance outside of being the thing you fight at the end of the game
>>58539263>they effectively areThat's not what you argue earlier, you brought up Iris as an example of someone worse than Diantha.
>>58537147>>58537170I'm a big fan of Alder, I would even say he is my favorite champion and what a champion should be both ideologically and role in their game's story.But the question isn't about execution, it is about relevance. And unfortunately I have to agree in the broader franchise Alder has less relevance, rarely being used or refferenced. Even Diantha feels like she gets more attention than him.
>>58539196No one cares about Diantha because she has literally zero relevance to the story outside of being the Champion, unlike literally every single Champion before and after her, yes she shows up in the story, but she doesn't actually do anything, Malva is legitimately more important as a member of Team Flare and the newsperson for the Holocaster. The funniest parts are that Diantha straight up forgot who you were, didn't know Malva was in Team Flare and her battle theme references the XYZ trio and Deoxys for no actual fucking reason. Her not having a league rematch team does not help her case because her only fight is piss easy thanks to all the free shit XY gives you throughout your whole playthrough, she does the absolute bare minimum, she's only not the worst champion because Geeta is actively awful.
>>58539317Geeta is better desu
>>58539317>unlike literally every single Champion before and after her*except Cynthia*except Iris
>>58539309Relevance is relative. Alder appeared in two different games and had an important role in the original BW. He was given a grandson and even had a ancestor portrait in Legends Arceus. Meanwhile Diantha only appeared in one game and had two encounters at most. And that's really it. I feel like this line of thinking only exists because of the anime with the Masters 8 tournament however by then, Alder wasn't a champion anymore. Even still, he made a appearance in the anime, even if it's a cameo.
>>58539282>That's not what you argue earlierprove it
>>58539332Iris does help you look for Team Plasma for 5 seconds at one point in BW2 which I wouldn't consider 'relevant' to the story but doing something at all is more than Diantha does.
>>58539339Diantha does try to convince Lysandre for 5 seconds in XY which I would consider 'relevant' to the story and doing something at all is more than Iris does.
>>58539113This, please. Just because Geeta is a meme and a jobber, we need to stop saying she's the worse than Diantha.
>>58539325>I am utterly incapableNot even people in-universe like her, she strongarmed a toddler into being an Elite Four member and as the chairperson of Paldea's league, she can't even be made to step down.>>58539332Even if you were right, and Cynthia and Iris were no more relevant than Diantha, they actually do have challenging fights that get even harder in the postgame, Diantha does not.
>>58539356>they actually do have challenging fightsso does Diantha
>>58539356It doesnt matter if her E4 dislikes her at least she has power over them. That's more than enough to be more relevant than Diantha. The fact that she's so infamous in a bad way im game is kinda fun
>>58539357She doesn't, I've already explained why.
>>58539335You're doing it right now >>58539348
>>58537147Geeta
>>58539364No I’m not.>>58539361No you didn’t.
>>58539379>is more than Iris does.That's not you saying Diantha is better than Iris? What is it then?
>>58539379Yes, I did.>Her not having a league rematch team does not help her case because her only fight is piss easy thanks to all the free shit XY gives you throughout your whole playthroughNot only does Diantha not have multiple fights at the Pokemon League, her only fight is not difficult, and even if it hypothetically was, that's still only one fight, so no, Diantha does not have challenging fights.
>>58539388Forget it. Hes just going to use the Battle Chateau as an example that she has nutliple fights
>>58539388>the game gives you free things so it’s easy!Ok then Cynthia and Iris are also easy
>>58539387“Diantha is better than Iris” and “Diantha and Iris are both shallow shitty characters” aren’t mutually exclusive statements
>>58539394That one's even easier.>>58539395No, because they don't.You aren't forced to capture the boxart legend of gen 4 and you actually can't get any of the boxart legends in BW2 until the postgame.Catching Xerneas/Yveltal is non-compulsory for story progression, you can't not catch them.And again, like I've already said, even if Diantha's league fight was no less challenging, she would only have the one, unlike Cynthia, who has three in Platinum alone.Diantha does not have challenging fights.
>>58538530Because anons never played BW(Let Alone B2W2)And even if they did I'm 100% sure only a very few of these tards actually bothered with postgame.In the main story Alder doesn't shine much, since he actually gets beaten by N and the real climax is against him and ghetcisAlder is only a postgame fight with an absurdly high leveled team, almost like Red in gsc, the difference being (other than the general popularity of Red also as a Protagonist) that you encountered him by chance while going forward in your adventure and visiting new places, not by "let's see what happen if I do the league again" a thought literally no one eve has
>>58539113You fags are always taking the games into account:Diantha had severely more appearance in the anime, cards and other shit, Geeta is a "literally who?" character for anyone that hasn't played SV, same as Alder desu. (at least he has a good team)Both also not being their game's bosses because your "path of duels" or whatever the fuck is called ends with you against nemona, Geeta is as much as a stepping stone as any gym leader or E4, and I dare say all of the elite 4 are more relevant than her one for reason or another
>>58539403>No, because they don't.That’s weird, how did I get this Pokemon then?
>>58539397What use was there in bringing up Iris then?That just brings the argument back to >>58539224
>>58538530Because he actually does shit, unlike Diantha.>Mentors Cheren throughout the game, changing his perspective from being a simple battle autist wanting to be the strongest to a more responsible trainer that uses his strength to help people>Confronts Ghetsis alongside you and Cheren in the Relic Castle>Introduces you to Drayden and Iris to help you figure out how to awaken the dragon stone>Fights N while trying to change his perspective in Pokemon battlingIdk what levels of simping Dianthafags are on, but saying she's more relevant than him when all she did was have a conversation with Lysandre and Sycamore once is crazy.
>>58539439What use was there in bringing up Dianrha then?That just brings the argument back to >>58539232
>>58539443>What use was there in bringing up Dianrha then?OP wanted to shit on Diantha.
>>58539439I wanted to shit on Iris.
>>58538530Anyone saying Alder is irrelevant is either blind or just didn't pay attention to any of his appearances in the games or media, and considering Cynthia's "infamy" among Pokémon adults, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the latter. People only seem to remember champions if they have a memorable battle, and since you don't fight Alder during the main game of either BW or B2W2, he's relegated down to the same level of relevance as the shittiest final bosses.I always thought Alder was the coolest champion. Many equate him to the older generation passing the torch onto a new generation of Pokémon trainers, but he's so much more than that to me. He's one of the few characters in the main games that's genuinely wise, patient, compassionate and a strong trainer.
