Why are Fairy moves still so fucking boring?.It only has Dazzling Gleam to get passed around.Its the latest type yet it feel so outdated.
it seems like its sole purpose was just "we need something to check dragon types" with no extra thought put into it after generation 6all that really happened was replacing one of the strongest types with a new contender for the strongest typethat's not balancing, that's powercreep
Magical LeafMystical Fire Should be fairy moves just like Fairy wind
>>5854092712 years later and Play Rough is still the only physical fairy type move
Seriously why cant we get something LikeSparkling Pulse or Glitter BombFairy always gives us nothing.
>>58541055>what is Spirit Break
>>58543174>signature move and thus irrelevant for the vast majority of physical fairies
>>58543174Yeah its exclusive to one monAt least Everyone with a blade gets to learn Psycho cut
>>58540962GameFreak doesn't understand its own game and never has. The poor implementation of Fairy-type and its reason for existing in the first place is not surprising.The Dragon-typing itself was never overpowered. The actual issue was making 600 BST facerollers who just also happened to be Dragon-type. Not counting NFEs or Arceus, there were 18 Dragon-types by 5th gen. And of those 18, 9 of them are legendary and 5 of them are pseudos. That leaves four non-steroided Dragon-types (Kingdra, Flygon, Altaria, Druddigon). The weak ones are the minority. Any type would be OP if it mostly consisted of 600+ BST buckbreakers. The typing was not the problem. The raw stats were. Nobody thought Thrash was OP, but Outrage was apparently too much.So now we have Fairy-type. Outrage spam is still a problem, and now you're forced into having a Fairy-type to stop it instead of addressing the actual problem with the Dragons' absurd stats. This isn't a correction, this is a partially used bandaid. Considering the sheer amount of Dragon-type pseudos and legends that are still released to this day, they genuinely do not care. They want to have their cake and eat it too, and the players just have to accept it.
>>58544794>GameFreak doesn't understand its own game and never hasHilarious coming from a retard who has blatantly never played PvP.
>>58544794>Nobody thought the move resisted by 3 types was OP, but the move that's resisted by 1 type was apparently too muchuh...yes?
>>58540927Even if they added a bunch of new Fairy moves, most of them would remain untouched because they'd just be inferior to Moonblast, Dazzling Gleam or Play Rough.There's tons of special Fire and Electric type moves, but almost everyone just uses Flamethrower and Thunderbolt because they're the optimal choice in 95% of situations.
>>58545194It gets tiring and boring to only just get dazzing gleam and play rough
>>58544794Everyone's shittalking you, but the fact is they consciously choose to keep making every psuedo a Dragon Type instead of deviating like they did for Tyranitar and Metagross.Plus, not only did they make Outrage insufferable, Draco Meteor also exists, ensuring that SpA Dragons have something to tear ass as well the moment Blissey is out of the picture.
>>58543188>>58543625>what is Iron Valiant
>>58544794>and 5 of them are pseudos.Haxorus isn't a pseudo
>>58545420Who?
>>58545420Iron Valiant will be dex cut for the next 10 yrs
>>58545367> but the fact is they consciously choose to keep making every psuedo a Dragon Type instead of deviating like they did for Tyranitar and MetagrossHow does making more Tyranitar and Metagross fix the fact that Dragon is broken?
>>58545966>How does making more Pokemon of different types that have 600+ BST fix the fact Dragon is broken due to being a type primarily comprised of Pokemon with 600+ BST?
>>58540927They should make Bug Super effective and resist Fairy.
>>58544794>GameFreak doesn't understand its own game and never has.- being shocked over Aegislash being used as a special attacker- expecting Aromatisse to be used in trick room- Aurorus not having Power Gem (and no special Rock type moves at all in Legends ZA)- Gen 7's failed attempt to curb the powercreep - hisuian avalugg having strong jaw with only ice fang"Game Freak" needs to be a slur to be used against game developers that make shitty decisions.
>>58547007>fix the fact Dragon is broken due to being a type primarily comprised of Pokemon with 600+ BST?Except that's not why Dragon is broken.>>58547119>- expecting Aromatisse to be used in trick roomIt is used in Trick Room, and is in fact one of the best Trick Room setters because it can't be Taunted or Encored.>- Aurorus not having Power GemPokemon have two offensive stats for a reason, lil bro.>- Gen 7's failed attempt to curb the powercreepThis is a fanfic you made up.>- hisuian avalugg having strong jaw with only ice fangIt learns Crunch.
>>58547202>Pokemon have two offensive stats for a reason, lil bro.Aurorus has a dogshit 77 base attack, why would I use that at any point ever? Why wouldn't I invest in a better mon at that point?
>lil broPlease. Hang yourself. FAST.
>>58547235>Aurorus has a dogshit 77 base attack,77 attack isn't dogshit.>why would I use that at any point ever?To deal damage.>Why wouldn't I invest in a better mon at that point?What other Pokemon gets both Hail and Stealth Rock?
>>58547318>77 attack isn't dogshitmaybe on planet retard
>>58547318>77 attack isn't dogshit.So why hasn't Aurorus won any tournaments using its physical attack stat, whether in VGC or Smogon? Surely if it's that viable according to you, people should be using it instead of sleeping on its monstrous attack stat, yes?>To deal damage.Around 30 damage, maybe. And then Leftovers heals all of that because the damage was that bad.>What other Pokemon gets both Hail and Stealth Rock?Hail is still in Pokemon? Don't you mean Snowscape, big bro?
>>58547346maybe on planet earth>>58547352>So why hasn't Aurorus won any tournaments using its physical attack stat, whether in VGC or Smogon?Because people like you would rather screech about it instead of actually playing the game.>Around 30 damage, maybe0 Atk Aurorus Rock Slide vs. 244 HP / 188+ Def Incineroar: 56-68 (27.8 - 33.8%) -- 0.3% chance to 3HKOThis is with zero investment, and keeping in mind Rock Slide hits TWO targets AND can make the targets flinch.>Hail is still in Pokemon? Don't you mean Snowscape, big bro?Which game has Aurorus and Snowscape?
>>58547385>Because people like you would rather screech about it instead of actually playing the game.Right, so out of the billions of people on earth, not a single one wants to actually give Aurorus' godlike 77 base attack a fair shake and win a tournament with it. Almost like that's an indicator that stat sucks shit or something compared to the common mainstays of both official and unofficial metagames who have offensive stats in the 120+ range.>This is with zero investment, and keeping in mind Rock Slide hits TWO targets AND can make the targets flinch.Cool! You using a Quick Claw to get a guaranteed first move every single time there, buddy? Aurorus isn't outspeeding a lot with that 58 base speed, and Trick Room doesn't change the fact it can be mogged by Bullet Punch since Priority is independent of speed order unless both mons are using priority moves.>Which game has Aurorus and Snowscape?Champions will, since I know you're trying to be clever by pointing out how Aurorus, as of current, is only usable in games where Snow hadn't yet replaced Hail, therefore you're trying to make me look like an idiot.
>>58547414>Right, so out of the billions of people on earth, not a single one wants to actually give Aurorus' godlike 77 base attack a fair shake and win a tournament with itYes, because they're people like you would rather screech about it instead of actually playing the game.>Cool! You using a Quick Claw to get a guaranteed first move every single time there, buddy?No, you can do this thing called "EV training" or use moves like "Tailwind". You can even block priority with abilities such as "Queenly Majesty" or "Psychic Surge". Maybe you'll learn these things once you actually start playing the game.>Champions willSource?
>>58547428>Yes, because they're people like you would rather screech about it instead of actually playing the game.Or maybe you're just arguing in bad faith because even you yourself can't genuinely achieve a tournament win with Physical Aurorus, otherwise you would've posted proof that Physical Aurorus is an extremely underrated god-tier mon for PVP so you could actually, fully, totally dab on me instead of saying "lol no one uses it because everyone screech like retard". It sounds like YOU actually play the game, so why not back up your insistence that Physical Aurorus is this really good mon that can overcome anyone and anything?>No, you can do this thing called "EV training" or use moves like "Tailwind". You can even block priority with abilities such as "Queenly Majesty" or "Psychic Surge". Maybe you'll learn these things once you actually start playing the game.Tried using all those speed boosters, still got outsped because there's Pokemon with base speed stats of over 120+ who are running laps around my Aurorus. Also, you act like the opponent isn't ALSO using EVs and Tailwind. What retard am I fighting that isn't using those tools to have an advantage against me?>Source?So you unironically believe they'll revert Snow back into Hail, making Ice Types worse for no reason? Just because it's unfathomable for Aurorus to coexist with Snow as a weather condition, and its existence mandates they MUST use Hail instead? Wow, dude, that's pretty fucked up.
>>58547478>Or maybe you're just arguing in bad faithOr maybe you're just a campaignshitter who's too lazy to get good at the game.>Tried using all those speed boosters, still got outsped because there's Pokemon with base speed stats of over 120+ There are also Pokemon with way lower speed than 120+. There's also this move called "Trick Room" you can use to outspeed faster opponents. Maybe you'll learn these things if you play the game.>So you unironically believe they'll revert Snow back into Hail, So you don't have a source and you'd rather make up hypotheticals to screech at instead of playing the game. Got it.
>>58547119AURORUS HAS NO ROCK BASED CRYSTALS OR GEMS.
>>58547491>Or maybe you're just a campaignshitter who's too lazy to get good at the game.Still not seeing proof that you won any tourneys with Physical Aurorus.>There are also Pokemon with way lower speed than 120+. There's also this move called "Trick Room" you can use to outspeed faster opponents. Maybe you'll learn these things if you play the game.You act like I didn't literally bring it up earlier, but again, priority moves exist. And anti-priority doesn't help me when the opponent overrides my terrain or puts pressure on my anti-priority, forcing me to switch them out and losing my anti-priority that protects Aurorus from an OHKOing Bullet Punch.>So you don't have a source and you'd rather make up hypotheticals to screech at instead of playing the game. Got it.That's the only rationale I can conceive behind "Aurorus and Snowscape won't co-exist in Champions" because it's either that, or they'd totally, definitely, FOR REALSIES make it so you can't transfer all of your fully-evolved LZA mons + Pikachu into Champions in order to use them in turn-based gameplay. Fuck you Aurorus, you don't get to play with your Kalos friends because you didn't get a new Mega Evolution, lol!
>>58547499Not a criteria. Multiple Pokemon who don't have any visible rock based crystals or gems in their design or lore can still use Power Gem, far too many to list even.
>>58547318>77 attack isn't dogshit.Yeah maybe if you're in a format where every fully evolved pokemon is banned
>>58547517>Still not seeing proof that you won any tourneys with Physical Aurorus.Still not seeing proof you play the game.>but again, priority moves existYou can even block priority with abilities such as "Queenly Majesty" or "Psychic Surge". Maybe you'll learn these things once you actually start playing the game.>And anti-priority doesn't help me when the opponent overrides my terrain or puts pressure on my anti-priorityYou can even do this thing called "overriding the opponent's terrain, and "put pressure on their anti-priority". Maybe you'll learn these things once you actually start playing the game.>That's the only rationale I can conceiveNo, I'd just rather talk about the game while you would rather waste time inventing hypotheticals to be mad at.>>58547536Yeah maybe in the actual game
>>58547549Still not seeing proof YOU play the game either, bucko. You're just saying shit instead of posting proof of you playing the game. Can you post your ELOs and Poke Ball ranks, please?
>>58547565Still not seeing proof YOU play the game either, bucko. You're just saying shit instead of posting proof of you playing the game. Can you post your ELOs and Poke Ball ranks, please?
>>58547571Parroting is an admission of defeat.
>>58547573Thank you for admitting defeat.
>>58547589Cool, both of us lost because neither of us posted ELOs and Poke Ball Ranks. Glad we spent an hour arguing just for no one to win.
>>58547601Nah, I won because I actually presented an argument while you just went "y-y-you don't play the game!"
>>58547622So I won too? Because that's also what I was doing since you never posted proof that you actually played the game (while insisting I didn't play the game myself). Either way you still didn't post your ELOs and Poke Ball Ranks, brother, when you're the one who first accused the other of not playing the game.
>>58547636>Because that's also what I was doingNope.>y-you don't play the game!See? You're doing it again.
>>58547645You're also accusing me of having not played the game. So it's the same thing. We both won and lost at the same time.And for some reason, you STILL refuse to post ELOs and Poke Ball Ranks. Could it be that you don't play the game either?
Aurorusfag you dumb fucking retard, why are you replying to yawnfag even once, let alone this many times?You feed the troll a gourmet meal everytime it speaks and then you wonder why this board is unusable
>>58547549so a campaign where fully evolved pokemon exist and a format where fully evolved pokemon exist (and legendaries too)you should post your address so your body can be donated to science
>>58547659Yawnfag's the real Aurorusfag though, he's out here claiming Physical Aurorus can win tournaments but it hasn't happened simply because "no one actually plays the game." and then refuses to post proof of such a bold statement.I wish I lived in Yawnie's world where Magikarp can beat Mega Mewtwo Y, because stats don't matter, moves don't matter and nothing matters as long as you just play the game.
>>58540927Why are the only two physical Fairy moves Spirit Break and Play Rough? It’s been over 10 years. How did Gen 2 do their new types better than Gen 6?
>>58547688>wanting fairies to literally become the next dragon by giving homogenizing them into the "do everything really good" type
I should’ve figured a yawnfag thread wouldn’t be able to have genuine responses. That’s on me for posting here, I guess.
>>58540927Psychic should be super effective to Fairy.At least give us some variations.Shining Pulse = the fairy water pulseSparkling bomb = same with sludge bomb with lingering effects.
>>58544794their obsession to having every "special" thing be part dragon really needs to be studiedthey are still doing part dragon pseudos tooand now that fairy type is a thing, dragon types are still considered some late game type that need tons of work to raise and unlock their full potentialjust take a look at how noibat is handled in za, you have to babysit it until level 48
>>58545966It would at least balance it out compared to other types.
Who the hell is yawnfag?
>>58551002a guy who actually plays the game
>AIEEEE FAIRY TYPE IS BROKEN>the best fairy type is in VGC right now is an ice type that isn't even in top 10 usage and rarely runs any fairy moves
>>58545429>Dragonite>Salamence>Flygon>Garchomp>Hydreigon
>>58547318>77 attack isn't dogshit.Some Pokemon with a higher attack stat:>Tirtouga>Maschiff>Wormadam>Machop>Bellossom>Snubbull>Bonsly>Eiscue>CharjabugYou know. Just some real heavy hitters, renowned for their high attack stats.
>>58547318>What other Pokemon gets both Hail and Stealth Rock?Alolan Sandslash and Mamoswine. Both of which are better competitively.
>>58551101>>FlygonAlso not a Pseudo and was specifically excluded in the rest of the post.
>>58547385>0 Atk Aurorus Rock Slide vs. 244 HP / 188+ Def Incineroar: 56-68 (27.8 - 33.8%) -- 0.3% chance to 3HKO0 Atk Incineroar Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Aurorus: 252-300 (56 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKOSure hope those flinches pop off
>>58545194We need 60power fairy move that drops attack harshly
>>58547535I checked. All natural learners has propper gems and tm learn ones have gem or are rock types with brightly colored pieces. Which aurorus has not.
>>58551533Nobody runs iron head on incin
>>58551730Nobody runs physical Aurorus either
>>58551711Where's the gem on Corsola?
