>retroactively makes XY's plot 10 times better
>>58545978>le XY plot bad because I’m retarded and didn’t pay attention it meme
>>58545984It was bad DOUGH
>>58545984
>>58545978They had to erase/retcon xy it was so bad
>>58545984It's for 10-year-olds.Why are you defending quality?It's shit and overbearing with its message by design, because it's made for living participation trophies. Pop off on the fifteenth "Pokemon have feelings" storyline though?
>>58545978Unironically true and I'm glad it did because the potential was there.
>>58545984Alright, let’s hear it.How is XY’s plot good?
>>58545978LMFAO no
>>58546093NTA but genocide makes every story better, honestly.
>>58545984Note how none of the replies to this post actually explain how it’s bad.You’re all fucking drones who just parrot whatever reddit and twitter tell you to think about any given game.
>>58546053agreed, gen 5’s story sucks
>>58545978XY exists to make BW look good, imagine being that bad, XY made everyone go back to BW and say "maybe you weren't so bad.." Only the nostalgia ridden mentally ill could like XY.No matter how bad it gets, we've yet to reach a game as bad as XY not even SV holds a candle to it.
>>58546140I had the opposite experience. I went into BW to transfer my shit after playing XY and I forgot how fucking immensely ugly the game looked.
>>58546156I expect a DS look like trash, when Pokemon entered 3D I expected to really make something at least decent and they couldn't even do that, I'd take BW ugly ass sprites over this, might as well not even try anymore if XY was their best effort.So amny eras of pokemon looking ugly since the gameboy, to ds, to 3ds, to switch.This possibly the most worthless franchise in existence.
>>58546173Pokemon was never good, it just took XY to wake people up at mass.Kind of embarrassing that DP didn't tip them off sooner, this franchise should have died long before XY but didn't unfortunately.
>>58546222When did I say it was better, both look awful in their own way, and shouldn't exist.
>xyfags trying to steal za's writingnew low
>anti-xyfags continuing to shitpost instead of being able to explain why it’s badnew low
ZA really did everything it could to salvage XY, better late than never I guess, at least ZA is an actual game and not a tech demo, proof of concept of what pokemon in 3D would be like.
>>58546278“tech demo” has to be the most meaningless buzzword to come out of post-dexit reddit tourists
>>58546288XY is a tech demo. Sorry to break it to ya.
>>58546298BW2 is a tech demo. Sorry to break it to ya.
>>58545978Wrong pic, let me help you>>58545984Hmmmm let’s see what we got> Freinds sucked you up instantly> route 1 was 2 feet long straight line, a bad omin from the start> you meet the professor in Lumiose city and will gift you KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO> the whole Lucario’s trail that ended as it began> sleeping Snorlax blocking the way …. I swear I saw that before> the chasing Furfrou segment and that fireworks cutscene that definitely didn’t make some 10 times hornier> “Team Flare, we fight for fashion” …. The hell?> constant shifting between Lumiose visits, Team Flare shit and your usual badge challenges with zero substance> who the fuck are these Two who barge in everytime I clean up the area?> “Hahaha I am launching a nuke”> you meet AZ locked in, a massive lore dump about WW2> you fight this nigga >>58546020 twice> he gets salty and go full ISIS> oh !! An entire town was demolished.. okay> beat the nonexistent E4 and the champion … a celebration is on order> “3000 years” meme> fuck around to unlock Looker’s quest> the thing was rushed way more than the main plot, you better off watch that OVAI don’t think I missed anything
>>58546302>BW2It's B2W2... Sorry but you lost, learn to type next time timmy.
I guess tech demo just means good game these days.
>>58546302parroting is an admission of defeatconsult image for further clarification
>>58546298>>58546302Nearly every single Pokemon game is essentially a tech demo for the next one due to their yearly release cycle. Sorry to break it to ya.
>>58546318Yes, finally! We finally agree SV is best game in the franchise! No take backs, Arvin is my husband.
>>58546339Many are saying this.
>>58546313>the story is bad because....um....kanto pokemon exist in the game!!!Damn I'd hate to hear what you think about Sinnoh then.
>>58546328Thank you for admitting defeat.consult image for further clarification
>The Y is parroting again
>>58545984Lysandre literally shows up like once or twice, major pacing issues with Team flare showing up and doing stuff, the admins do fuck all. It's very similar to DiaPer Shartinum but at least in those games the admins actually do something even if it's random nonsense that has no bearing to the plot, at least they show up there and DO SOMETHING. NOTHING happens in XY until one of three set pieces that come out of nowhere
>lillie keeps showing up i hate her ugh>noo why doesnt lysandre show up every 5 seconds!!!!
Counterpoint.Lysandre is hotter than Cyrus
>>58546373He doesn't need to show up every 5 seconds but there is absolutely no sense of urgency in a game where he's trying to fucking KILL everyone, no sense of urgency to stop him. Team flare barely shows up either.
>>58546337BTFO'd>>58546350nta but Kanto pokemon being in Poke-Japan makes sense, since there would be commonality between flora and fauna. But being in France makes a lot less sense. But I personally don't mind either way.
>>58546369>Lysandre literally shows up like once or twice, major pacing issues with Team flare showing up and doing stuff, the admins do fuck all.agreed, gen 5's story sucks
>>58546396Glad we understand Platinum is superior.
>>58546396N' shows up constantly, propels the plot forward. We SEE him awaken one of the dragons.There is a sense of urgency to stop them from succeeding in their plan.
>>58546389For me its more like XY mirrored kanto 1:1. Kantomons showing up is fine and unavoidable. But did XY really have to give you Kanto starters? Did XY really have to have a Snorkax sleeping on the bridge? Did XY really have to give you Lapras? Did XY really have to have Mewtwo after an exactly replica of Viridan Forest as one of the final catchable legends? Don't think any other game did this
>>58546414>N propels the plot forwardnot really>There is a sense of urgency to stop them from succeeding in their planyou mean like how there's a sense of urgency to stop lysandre from genociding kalos after you press one of the buttons at his base?
>>58546422Whos Snorkax?
>>58546422>did pokemon have to be in the pokemon game?Sounds like you're just jealous of Kanto.
>>58546128Lysandre as a villain is extremely stupid, his whole plan is “billions must die because the world is flawed” but the game shows little to no general glaring flaws with Kalos so he just looks dumbCharacters are stupid, the fact that looker does more shit than the rival characters in terms of plot really shows how undercooked the characters from this game areAnd then they have the gull at the end to pretend they made something masterful with the cinematic ending and AZ reuniting with floette, fuck off.
>>58546432>jealous of KantoNo I love Kanto but I also like seeing games do their own thing
>>58546422At least they didn't limit us to 151 pokemon like base dp for some god forsaken reason. The only time XY exercised restraint, and even then they probably had to choke out Masuda to get it past him.
>>58546433>but the game shows little to no general glaring flaws with Kalosso you're retarded and completely missed the entire subplot about the illiterate homeless girl in lumiose city and all the people through the game constantly begging you for money over useless shitgot it
>>58546455People begging for money and it’s one example that’s played for laughs and the rest that’s just people asking for tips“Billions must die because my photographer asked me for a tip” okay Lysandre There is Emma but that’s postgame only instead of something you can do in the maingameZA clears and it’s not even funny
>>58546453Agreed. 151 in DP was stupid and one of the worst examples of kanto shilling. Literally did not need to happen. XY has one of the best if not the best regional dexes in the series maybe only surpassed by SV but everything post dexit is iffy
>>58546479>people asking for tipsWhat do you think tipping is, anon?>ZA clears and it’s not even funnyAnd XY clears gen 4/5's story. Pretty sad.
>>58546487Glad we agree ZA is much better than XY.
>>58546506Well yeah every new Pokemon game is better than the last one.
>>58546510Agreed, except XY.
>>58545978The fact that so many people were confused by Grisham and Griselle's circumstances shows how massively XY failed at telling their story. Because geniunely, they did do a poor job of explaining Flare's purpose hence why Lysander and his genocidal shit is what got remembered
>>58545978>the shit is better now that it has corn in it
>>58546534>food analogy
>>58546534>now
>>58546536This board does like eating shit, yes.
>>58546551The only thing Lysandre is good for...
>>58546053Even Explorers of Sky story or Doraemon movies are for kids, and there are 10000x times more competent than XY. Even BW itself is much better told, regardless of "muh munna kick" or whatever
>>58546586BW overall story wise is just fine, it's good by Pokemon standards, I'd say SM had a better story despite it's issues.XY has a story poor even by Pokemon standards.
>>58546586>Explorers of SkyKino mention. But thats the problem with modern pokemon. Theyre too focused on being family and casual friendly without realizing that they don't need to be nickelodeon type sanitized. Kids grow up watching shit like shonen which have far more darker shit even if itd just a basic one
>intro>gym 1>>>>>gym 2>>>gym 3>gym 4>gym 5>gym 6>gym 7>team flare>gym 8>leagueBiggest letdown ever. The early game's pacing was god tier and then they go mach 2 once you get the mega ring
>>58546597>XY has a story poor even by Pokemon standards.could be worse, SwSh exists
>>58546602This. The game is bad because it doesn't have 50 routes even though literally no mainline game in existence has 50 routes.
>>58546597>XY has a story poor even by Pokemon standardsand you won't actually explain how because you're an NPC with no argument.
>>58545978okay now do it for galar. i dare you to try and fix that dumpster fire, game freak
>>58546616Sinnoh has 230 routes.
>>58546609Actually forgot swsh exists, XY is way better than swsh, swsh is so boring.
>>58546629The dogs and the horses have much better lore than XY legends barring Zygard ofc thanks to ZA
>>58546626S-shut up!
>>58546619nta, and I'm saying this as someone who actually cares about XY, so not a hater, in fact it makes me sad that it turned out like this, but Lysandre’s motivations themselves are poorly explained. At first it seems like he wants to use the ultimate weapon because he believes it’s the only solution to the lack of resources, which is the origin of conflicts, but then if you read the stuff in the labs it sounds much more classist, like he’s just against poor people in general. Then there’s AZ, who is a key character, but he only appears three times and that’s it. I don’t think it’s something to throw away, but it’s so fragmented that it doesn’t make you feel like you’ve lived through the ending of a story. It stays open with many questions, but not because it was intentional, rather because the game itself just says too little.
>>58546356you didn't consult the image.
>>58546830you didn’t consult the image
>>58545978How does it make XY's plot better? I love ZA but that doesn't make XY any less bad
>>58546846your repetition sounds pretty mechanical, anon. are you SURE you're not the one parroting?
>>58545978XY is one of the least replayed games. You guys simply don't remember the plot. Z-A made no significant changes to XY.
>>58546369>but at least in those games the admins actually do something even if it's random nonsense that has no bearing to the plotXY’s scientists quite literally do more than the DP admins.>Aliana is diverting the power to Lumiose>Celosia and Bryony are stealing the pokeballs so they can hook the pokemon up to the Geosenge life draining stones>Mable is studying the Pokemon life energy output by testing it out on AbomasnowLiterally more than whatever Jupiter does when you first fight her in DPPt. She kidnapped Clefairy and Buneary because ???
>>58546373this desu, we don’t need John Plot showing up to vomit retarded dialog on you every 5 minutes
>>58547097Diverting the power to Lumiose to charge the weapon*
>>58546373>anon pretends to have no concept of moderationthis is b8 and you got me
Why doesn't yawnie just kill himself already?
>>58547120of course it’s bait, this entire thread is retards attempting to argue with yawnfag
>>58546369>but at least in those games the admins actually do something even if it's random nonsense that has no bearing to the plotIs this thread just entirely speedreaders?
>>58547097Nta but Jupiter's main goal was handling uxie. Her little stunt at Eterna was main because she was suppose to be helping Mars collect power. Jupiter fight feels like they just wanted a way to introduce you to the other Admin before Saturn (the main one). Because meeting Jupiter at Acuity only would be kinda meh. >>58547150>speedrunnersNo its more so that its XY is just among the least replayed games so nobody just remembers anything
>>58546664>but then if you read the stuff in the labs it sounds much more classist, like he’s just against poor people in generalNo, he just hates greedy people.>I reached out to help those suffering because they had nothing. At first, they were grateful, but eventually, they began to take my help for granted and demand more and more… Will fools like those people consume the Kalos region?It's completely consistent with his character.>Then there’s AZ, who is a key character, but he only appears three times and that’s itWhy would he need to appear more?Also you still haven't actually explained how this is actually worse than "DUDE I WANT TO FLOOD THE REGION" and "DUDE I WANT TO KILL THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE BECAUSE MY PARENTS BULLIED ME"
>>58547188>Also you still haven't actually explained how this is actually worse than "DUDE I WANT TO FLOOD THE REGION"It's not worse, XY has substance, RS story is just a slapstick cartoon
>>58546427>not reallyThat weak dismissal is so characteristic of you, it's almost cute in a way
I think yawnie should be bent over and bred agressively until he gets pregnant.
>>58547237Why would I need a strong dismissal for a weak argument?
>>58546422Yes, yes, yes and yes because BW destroyed Pokemon's reputation in the west.
>>58547292So you can actually win the argument.
I plan on writing an essay on how ZA is bad and XY is good but people are just going to call me a schizo sadge
>>58547326But I did actually win the argument.
>>58547327XY has more content and polish than most games so it wouldn't even be that hard desu
>>58547335...in my schizo delusions.
>>58547335...in reality
I don't play these game for plot. The core of travelling to catch and battle Pokemon was enough for me to build my own narrative in the first two gens. I really wish they would stop these world ending events in each game.
>>58547360Blame Masuda, who twisted the integrity of Pokemon as a coming of age story of youthful independence into a shonen hero plot, and then Ohmori added a constant sprinkling of family dramas based on his own traumatic childhood.
>>58547188>DUDE I WANT TO FLOOD THE REGION" and "DUDE I WANT TO KILL THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE BECAUSE MY PARENTS BULLIED MEBetter for the sole purpose that it was coherent and put together enough that people actually understood their goal. The fact that people barely understood flare and lysander in XY doesn't necessarily mean that the story scope is bad, they just didnt present it in an understandable wayYou can have the most basic story ever but no one will have a problem if its easy to understand. Like gen 1 and 2. I dont see anyone claiming any story from 1 to 4 is the best ever only that it was good enough to keep the narrative and your adventure going
>>58547369I still find it bizarre how they made the music guy become the one charge of entire games.
>>58547413>Better for the sole purpose that it was coherent and put together enough that people actually understood their goalSo was Lysandre's, if you actually bothered paying attention to the game instead of being a bumbling retard who does nothing but parrot reddit takes while making up desperate copes to defend his childhood games with even worse writing.
>>58547413>can't actually criticize XY>resort to ad populumWhy does this always happen?
>>58545978it actually did level it up a bit in my head. Had they done this game, but with the entire Kalos map rather than just Lumiose city, it'd have redeemed XY like Platnium did for DP
>>58547441It's because GameFreak went into unironic total chaos during the development of Pokemon Gold, and Tajiri realized he already got his lightning in a bottle moment with Red and Green, so when Gold wasn't meeting his personal deadline, he backed out because he knew he wasn't built for game development. Unfortunately, neither were the rest of GameFreak, so it wound up being up to Masuda to take over the project and whip it into shape, which would then extend to the franchise at large.
>>58547441He threaten to stick the bugs in their anus
>>58547449Ill replay XY this weekend just for your sake. Just finished FRLG, Em and Plat so I actually make a good recent judgement
>>58546350Don't see the problem with Zubat and Geodude, they were in most region. I hate ponyta in a region with barely any fire type.Still, apples and oranges, Kalos was worse, much worse, at least in Paldea or Alola I felt more variety of others regions pokemon
>>58547538>Kalos was worse,That sure isn't what the image shows.
>>58546347SV is the luckiest game.>Has a break so more christmas to parents to buy the game >The first pokemon game is a arpg in Kalos(A nostalgiabait region ; a dumb move when children were loving Yokai Watch) >Being in 2 console with an upgrade for Switch 2
>>58547356...in a world where parrotting wasn't an admission of defeatthe person who replies "thank you for admitting defeat" to this post will have their mother die in their sleep
>>58547643Thank you for admitting defeat.My mother's an asshole, good riddance.
>>58547369I don't blame Masuda but I could tell that he was feeling the pressure of trying to one up pokemon games plot gen by gen. His origins being the music composer, means that he first had to design the battle themes for important fights which is likely why he pivoted towards the shonen hero type plotline. The problem being that Game Freak are not good writers. Not then and not now. SV is pretty okay imo though
>>58546487Mother fucker I’d hope the sequel is better than the last game lolIt’s kinda sad if anything that emerald no diffs all of them
>>58546020Actually me when I listen to the 2BA Master album
>>58546020Why is this scene supposed to be bad?
>>58546616It would be nice if the game was bigger, yeah.
>>58546609I highly doubt anything will surpass XY on how garbage it is
