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>>58547596Better than freeze.Will be added to Champions, and you'll pretend you always liked it.
>>58547596Will be back in Legends Galar
>>58548859>Will be added to ChampionsNo it won’t, sagie.
>>58548859>Better than freezesaid no one who plays the game
game freak never permanently keeps anything that makes the games betternever ever ever ever ever ever
I totally forgot this was a thing
>>58551045>game freak never permanently keeps anything that makes the games betterOP pic unrelated
>>58551045Freeze in ZA is good as is
>>58550223>>58551057>one way to nerf special attackers exists>when physical attackers have twenty>this is seen as an affrontBonus points for being a possible way for Ice types to benefit
>>58551068physical moves are almost always way stronger and easier to boost than special movesthe fact that physical moves have all those nerfs yet are still heavily used should tell you enough
>>58551068>removing easily the best status condition in the game for useless chip damage on a type that's horrible at stalling and playing defensively is somehow a benefit to the typeyou don't play the game
>>58547596Ah yes gen 1 freeze is definitely better right retard?
>>58551179>Ah yes instantly rendering the opponent completely useless is definitely better right retard?
>>58551182That could be sleep but sleep doesn't do anything in this game but have longer cooldowns. Freeze in PLZA is literally gen 1 freeze. You use an item or let your pokemon die.
>>58551074>easily the best status condition in the gameNot if you can't inflict it on purpose.
>>58551382But you can inflict it on purpose.
>>58551389That's like saying Draco Meteor can miss on purpose.
>>58551448It can.
>>58547596ZA freeze is more annoying I'm afraid
>>58551389>>58551451No it can't
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>>58548859>I LOVE IT WHEN MY BATTLE SYSTEM IS SLOP>I LOVE IT WHEN ALL THE AILMENTS ARE JUST COPIES OF ONE ANOTHER>SIMPLIFY EVERYTHING FURTHER I HATE COMPLEXITY AND HAVING TO MAKE DECISIONS
>>58551593>I LOVE IT WHEN ALL THE AILMENTS ARE JUST COPIES OF ONE ANOTHERTrue>Sleep the pokemon won't act>Freeze the pokemon won't act>Paralysis the pokemon may not act
>>58551187The game literally tells you what moves you can use to thaw out of it.
>>58551608What are those moves then?
>>58551603Sleep and para are exactly the same in PLA, they are clearly different in all other pokemon games, same with freeze.Poison is a worse version of burn or freezeThe only difference betweenxydpk burn and freeze is which stat they debuffThey probably thought it was fine because all buffs universally affect both physical and special in that game granting no effective difference or opportunity cost between special and physical.In other words even game freak knows how to design status ailments better than you as they brought back proper ones for ZA.
>>58551613No fuck you I am not spoonfeeding you when you can google this easily. Disingenous faggot
>>58551621>Sleep and para are exactly the same in PLABut they are literally not? Sleep makes your pokemon weaker to taking damage and they might not act in that turn while paralysis is just paralysis with being slower and might not acting.>They probably thought it was fine because all buffs universally affect both physical and special in that game granting no effective difference or opportunity cost between special and physical.>In other words even game freak knows how to design status ailments better than you as they brought back proper ones for ZA.Headcanon, game freak just makes random decisions and sometimes people like them. They have no idea what they are doing most of the time. Most ailments don't do shit in PLZA. You can literally spam outrage without a care in the world.>>58551629Why are you losing your shit you retard? I was just asking because I didn't notice a difference while playing the game. Fire moves didn't do shit.
Frostbite is boring. "X, but for Y" is the worst way to design any gimmick.
>>58552157Yep. I love that freeze is an exact copy of sleep in the other games too
>>58552163Except it's not.
>>58551649>uneducated retard refusing to educate himself trying to give an opinion on somethingAt least you’re making it obvious that almost every single one of your claims is based on assumptions
Why did this buckbreak /vp/ so badly?
>>58552563Utter and sheer contrariarism.They are not against frostbite because of any advantage one status might have over the other, they just hate that some people prefered it over freeze.
>>58551487Yes it can
>>585525631. It's a massive nerf to ice types despite campaignshitters thinking it's a buff2. It's bad game design because it homogenizes physical and special attackers even more for no real reason
>>58552766>It's bad game design because it homogenizes physical and special attackers even more for no real reasonLet me guess, special Rock type moves and physical Electric type moves are also bad game design?
>>58552791Yes.
>>58552791Yes, physical Psychic and Fairy moves are also bad.
>>58552751Have you thought that maybe the one being a contrarian is you? 99% of the time when two sides have an opposing opinion the one that does the ad hominem first is the contrarian with no actual argument.
>>58552791The current special Rock and physical Electric moves are all bad, so it is bad design. They changed the mechanics to try and help Pokemon that had more unfortunate stat distributions, but didn't go far enough with it. And they're still creating Pokemon that don't fit into their roles at all.
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>>58551068just give regular poison the special attack drop, as it is inferior to toxic anyway. Keep freeze the same.
Blissey already exists to nerf special attackers to a nigh-omniversal extent unless your SpA is SO overtuned that you can ignore its stats entirely or use a move like Psyhco Cut. Do you REALLY need more than that?
>>58553846>Psycho CutMeant Psyshock. Got those two mixed up.
>Frostbite is actually a bad thingFlutter manefags will cry that their crutch has a counter.
>>58553743Regular poison is better for the first 3 or so turns.
>>58547596>Remove Frostbite>Get universally lower scores by everyone besides contrarians on 4chanlol
>>58554451>Remove Frostbite>Get universally higher scores by people who actually play the games
>>58554458People who don't have Centro(who is a nigger) blocked don't have valid opinions.
>>58553846Nigga, Chansey and Blissey have not been meta relevant in years, in neither Smogon nor official metas.That's like saying Burn isn't needed because Skarmory exists.
>>58553846>>58553853These posts are the equivalent of the rich kid crying because his car he got for his birthday was red instead of the blue they wanted.Boo hoo, special attackers sometimes have to deal with a passive blob that is easily dealth with by their teammates! That’s clearly on par with tons of physical versions of Blissey with near the same bulk physically and usually get Body Press too fight back, burns ruining them, intimidate crippling them, most physical moves being contact moves and thus getting punished for simply existing, confusion and foul play using their attacking stats, and majority of physical versions of a move being either weaker or having steeper drawbacks.
>>58554458Metacritic scores matter more
>>58554477>th-they haven't been relevant in years!Maybe in fanfic formats from people who don't actually play the game.
>>58554538>replies to a post without even finishing reading the first sentence
>>58554618And those people don't play the game because they'd rather autistically screech about usage stats on Pikalytics than actually try using those mons to get results from firsthand experience.
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>>58554477Blissey was relevant for way longer than it hasn't been. It's only in this gen it fell off when it lost so many moves.
>>58552798Ehh compared to physical electric not at all psychic fangs and play rough are serviceable good bp moves. Really they lack a low bp physical move
