Can we get a real game without this mega powerup shit? I just want to play a real polemon game in the current year...
>>58562077The last time we had a game without either mega evolution or an equivalent was Black/white
>>58562081it was literally 3 years ago dumbass with the gen 4 remakes.
>>58562081Fuck what a time to be alive.
The last good game was PLATINUMnothing since then has been worth playing
>>58562086no one counts that crap and you goddamn know it. let's not do this
>>58562077We got Arceus, dumbass
>>58562101>the last good game was a romhack of the worst Pokémon game everKEK
>>58562340>Romhack that fixes most of the game's baked in Masudaisms>The reason we haven't had good Pokemon games anymore is because we don't get fixed versions of games anymore
>>58562355Making the game slightly faster while still being slow as fuck and raising the levels of trainers isn't fixing your shit game
>>58562333Which had an even more cringe combat gimmick.
>>58562648A whole battle system isn't a regional battle gimmick, dumbass, you may as well say Z-A gimmick isn't megas
>>58562077Real games dont have dexit, play fangames and ignore these jewish products
>>58562648>a timeline of events with some moves making you act slower or faster next time is "a cringe combat gimmick"Holy shit play more games
>>58562661But ZA's and Clair's combat were good? Arceus' only fun thing to do was to catch pokemon. The battles were boring.
>>58562077>>58562648If you want a modern Pokemon game without gimmicks, then BDSP is right there, honey. Time for you to finally buy it and play it, because otherwise you're waiting until PitchBlack and PureWhite.
>>58562744I think your dumb ass replied to the wrong post and either way you are moving the goalpost from "it's a cringe gimmick" to "waaa me dint like it :( "BDSP and Arceus had no battle gimmicks, you got your wish granted, so fuck off
>>58562081PLA
>>58562077I felt that way before ZA but they honestly fixed megas by putting them on a timer. Now you don't feel obligated to use it every time, but instead save it for when you really need to use it. Makes the mechanic 500 times better
>>58562366thislike covering a turd with sprinkles, in the end it's still shit
>>58563307What "makes the mechanic 500 times better" is having an actual presence in the game. The problem with megas in XY was it was a bullshit power-up foisted on the player, who didn't actually need it to clear the game and outside something like 3 battles didn't face it from opposing trainers. Compare and contrast L: Z-A where from Vinnie up, every promotion battle has you face a mega and at higher tiers in the Royale, you'll stumble across randomers who'll pull out a mega on you while grinding points for a challenger's ticket. It feels like an actual part of the world, rather than yet ANOTHER super speshul protagonist-only item, like the VS seeker or GB sounds app.
>>58562077What song plays in your head with this gif? For me, it's either:>Pirates of the CaribbeanOr Cruel Angel Thesis (Chorus)
>>58562077Play Clover
>>58563527Gas gas gas. Im gonna step on the gas. Tonight im gonna firee
>>58563527I'm feeling Tank from Cowboy Bebop
>>58563298Pla had a gimmick with its moves instead.
>>58563646Not really a gimmick imo
>>58563695Very definition of a gimmick.
>>58563526This so fucking much. Dynamax wasn't seen all that much either because even the location of the battle restricted the usage of the gimmick but at least every gym leader, "Elite 4" and champion match included them, and terastal and Z-moves are used by all relevant trainers and some other strong npcs too so it felt like part of the world, but for some reason megas were absurdly limited until now, just compare how many megas you had to fight in previous games and how many megas you fight in Z-A.
>>58563701A turn timeline isn't a gimmick. It's not even a pokemon thing
>>58563854>all games from gen 6 and 7 combined only have 18 enemies using megas (and one of them is a contest """"battle"""" so hardly counts)>Z-A even before the DLC has 32 different enemies using megas, one of them uses three different megas and the boss is a machine combined to a mega tooFrogs should be ashamed of needing the spanish to save their gimmick
>>58563854You forgot all the infinite royale trainers who use it too>>58563526That too. But the timer makes it more of a cool temp power up for tough moments than an obligatory press to win button like it was in XY, ORAS, SM, USUM
>>58562855The strong and agile styles are a gimmick. It makes the moves all feel less meaningful to choose and also to use. Similar to gmax making the move pool feel like boring slop. Live combat works in ZA. And for Clair, I assume you meant stances, which doesn't translate to a comparison. The combat system in that game actually has some depth. Not just >hur durr attack faster or harder.
>>58564200>I swear a turn timeline that puts you earlier or later based on your action is a gimmick GF made for Legends Arceus!No, it's a pretty standard RPG thing.>BUT IT WAS TOO SIMPLE IN ARCEUS SO...!So you still have no argument whatsoever. In fact the less complex you make it sound the less gimmicky it is, the more basic it is instead of being an actual special combat mechanic for that game.
>>58564200>it makes feel less meaningful to choose>desoite the fact that it actually adds an extra layer in strategy in deciding whether you want to attack quickly but frequently or slowly but with powerUmmm
>>58563866Pretty aggresive simplification to call the ability to choose the battle style you use each turn a 'turn timeline'. Especially since its not a universal ability every pokemon can naturally do with every move. It was the battle gimmick of pla, it didnt return in the next legends game, and it even had its own parallel gimmick in the card game based off of it like all gimmicks do.
>>58564270>No, it's a pretty standard RPG thing.You keep saying this like it's relevant. If in gen 10 you could give every pokemon a sword it wouldn't make it not a gimmick just because swords are common in rpgs.
>>58562077>polemonKurwa
>>58564285>you can't use names, it triggers my autismNobody cares>it's not universalIt is, just because you have to level up for your moves to start altering the timeline doesn't change it's something it affects all pokemon. In fact it affects them even if you don't level them up since wild pokemon can use these moves and thus change the timeline, it's just part of the overall battle system.>if I just repeat it was a gimmick it's gonna be a gimmick, it was only in this game, that's what a gimmick is right!?Yeah and the medals were Black 2 and White 2 gimmick KEK What's your favourite gimmick? Mine was riding a bike on water, the famous Sword and Shield gimmick!
>>58564200>It makes the moves all feel less meaningful to choose and also to use.Wrong. Using a style uses 2 pp instead of one, and when you're in a 1v4 battle you can burn through the pp of your good moves very quickly. Even moves with 20 pp can be run dry surprisingly fast if you are using them every turn to clean up swarms of trash mons. Plus alphas know when using a quick+strong combo back to back will knock out your current pokemon. It's a pretty required tool to use correctly for high level outbreaks since you have to balance your resources correctly for the situation. Even using pp restore items in battle doesn't negate the issue when an alpha can use the free turn to take you from full to ko on even level 100 pokemon.
>>58564342Oof, throwing in the towel by screeching autistic already? Hate to see it.If you teach a pokemon a move that they don't learn through level up you also have to go out of your way to unlock styles for those moves individually, and you can't just do it with the click of a button. Actually learn about what you're talking about before you get in an argument about something. You can deflect with false equivalence all you want, but its less embarrassing to just own a mistake than making yourself look dumber by doubling down.
>>58562077Genuinely, no. Gamefreak felt punished after the poorer sales of gen 5, the last time they tried to make Pokemon with effort. Gen 6 sold well and reinforced that just showing digivolutions of Charizard and the gang prints money so why bother with new Pokemon?
>>58563646That's a mechanic, bro. >>58563298I want to say that shouldn't count because it's not a new gen mainline game, but those titles mean nothing anymore and new (regional variants and evolutions) existed then so you still got something kinda new. Frankly I wonder why PLZA didn't do anything new except for Megas.
>>58562081What was the mega equivalent in PLA?Maybe even SV, since terrastal is a general power everyone can use instead of a super form change
>>58563527First we gonna rock, then we gonna roll, something something pop, don't let it go!
>>58564382>namecalling instead of argumentsI wish I could be surprised.>no, don't you see it? The timeline that exists in every single game isn't modified by your mon at first, you have to level up!Yeah I read you the first time and it's still not an argument. The timeline is there for each and every single battle, all pokemon are affected by it, just because you have to improve your mon to freely affect the timeline doesn't change that and AGAIN, even if you somehow played the whole game without moves that alter the timeline of turns, enemies can still use them so there's effectively on way out, the entire battle system uses this, it's not a separate battle gimmick added to spice up the game like megas, Z-moves, etc, it's just a different battle system like Z-A's got yet another one.Also pretty fun projection, you got btfo as early as you made the thread when people told you Arceus and BDSP were gimmickless and instead of admiting you overlooked those you are pathetically trying to convince people a different battle system is the same as pic related. Hell and the best part is that even if your retarded cope convinced anyone (it won't), BDSP would still be a gimmickless game.Just give up, man, you fucked up and the more you struggle the more you sink in the quicksand.
>>58563527I can't decide betweenhttps://youtu.be/ifBsTTTpfDU?si=u3mGmhVr8tW4VJiLAndhttps://youtu.be/B8Us0DZgexw?si=Gg1TMasPeaOmn5RO
>>58564270>B-BUT IT'S A STANDARD RPG THING >meanwhile it actually works differently in the example givenshut the fuck up, it was one in one pokemon game and it's a trash gimmick
>>58564285Plus Moves are the PLZA equivalent. You even use the seed of mastery for both
they will literally never make another good pokemon game. you just have to compromise or leave
>>58564448Black Knife is absolutely the song that's going through Mega Starmie's mind
