Wake up honey, new retarded retcon just dropped.
Absolutely always been the case.
>>58563637the anime is not canon
>>58563637Explain N
>>58563652Pokemon can understand humans but humans can't understand Pokemon N understands PokemonSome Pokemon canonically can talk to humans, this is another retarded retcon
>>58563650The current anime also stated human and Pokémon can't fully understand each other.
>>58563637>Pokémon and humans can't literally understand what they're saying word by word>But as a trainer and their pokémon grow closer, they can grasp more of each other's feelingsAlways has been
>>58563637>People not understanding this also implies pokemon can't understand humans
>>58563682Judt because you don't understand words doesn't mean you don't understand commands. Just like dogs do
>>58563637I mean yeah they've always been treated like real life pets. Like dogs, you can teach them simple commands but it's not like they have the capability to comprehend actual language.
>>58563688>>58563670>>58563650
>>58563637That's not new, retard
>>58563637I think only the pokemon in the human-like egg group should be able to somewhat communicate with humans; similarly pokemon that don’t share an egg group should have trouble communicating with each other too.
>>58563698>>58563637The absolute state of pokemon loreNotice how this and the srink bullshit both comes from Legends games. Just fire the person in charge of writing the games already, both games have shit writing
>>58563652The N stands for Not human
>>58563652N is very clearly supposed to be a special case and treated as such.You can't be this retarded.
>uh actually Rotom can't understand you
>>58563705Also literally contradicted by the first Legends anyway lmao
Only a bad translation can save this fuck up. Someone please post the japanese version
>>58563724Legendary Pokemon are the exception
>>58563656If pokemon can understand humans and humans understand pokemon understanding them, then, humans understand pokemon.
>>58563637Gardevoir and Lucario among others absolutely can talk to their humans.
>>58563637Why would you post empty text, OP?
>>58563724They always had exceptions, such as Ninetales and pic related,>>58563637>>58563726which therefore proves that's not the case for all the other Pokémon.
>>58563652AZ N L
>>58563637So how can they understand what move I tell them to use?
>>58563898The same way a dog can be taught commands.
>>58563637Psychic types and people with Psychic powers existing proves this bitch wrong on so many levels. Why is it Gamefreak completely shafted one of the oldest and most interest aspects of the Pokemon world? We had Avery in gen 8 and he was powerful enough to use his powers to naturally summon Psychic Terrain, Tulip in gen 9 has Psychic powers, but those don't really come into play, nor is she written with her powers in mind.There's also several other Pokemon like Lucario, Lapras and such who clearly understand humans pretty well. This is such a retarded retcon.
>>58563637I like how the quote isn’t even complete and the fact that this changes nothing
>>58563863
What if they're just wrong
>>58563900Byt that takes time and training. I can teach a new move to a Pokémon I just caught and they will understand perfectly.
>>58563637>pokemon have always been able to shrink bro i swear just ignore the fact that literally EVERY iteration and representation mainline or otherwise shows pokemon energized via the high-tech pokeball>now op's picrelthese fuckers at gamefreak have ZERO idea what they're doing. Any piece of lore can be retconned, erased, morphed, ANYTHING, they don't care
>>58563903>There's also several other Pokemon like Lucario, Lapras and such who clearly understand humans pretty well.>This is such a retarded retcon.They wouldn't mention that specific Pokémon can understand if all of them could.
>>58563637Why is that weird? Can you understand your dog’s ARRRUUU, WOOF! With perfect accuracy?Stop being a dumb asshole.
Negative IQ thread
>>58563923Nothing about OP is a retcon (to the games)
>>58563637So they can't consent? POKEPHILICBROS?
>>58563923Yes anon, they really should listen to your favorite youtuber.
>>58563922It's a game anon
>>58563637>it's super important that..."That" what? Were is the rest of it?
>>58563637There’s literally an interaction in the skarmory side quest that disproves this, is gamefreak retarded?
>>58563923Reality is that there are no patterns and the lore is whatever they need it to be to make whatever game they need to make. Hence why we're getting Legends Galar despite other older regions going longer without a game. Or why that game is telling us the origins of Pokevalls for like the 7th time. Or how in ZA suddenly Ange is a thing despite never being informed about it ever.
>>58563952You tard grift online
>>58563637>>58563652N being able to understand Pokemon was always presented as a special case, why are you surprised idiot
>>58563962Shit I forgot lol
>>58563650This has always been the case in the anime too, they deliberately made that choice during the conceptualization phase.
>>58563637wait, then how is my pokemon using the moves I tell them to use?
>Delibird I want to have sex with you.>Delibird I want sex.>Delibird! Sex! Now!It will understand one way or another.
>>58563981Same as telling a dog to sit.
>>58563981Retard
>>58563981You mime it, just mime the move Earthquake and not the move Magnitude, ez.
I forgot there was a sidequest in ZA of an old lady who was literally having an argument with her Sylveon and both of them clearly perfectly understood each other.>>58563926The point is that there's quite a few Pokemon we know for a fact are very intelligent and can perfectly understand humans, sure a Gyarados doesn't give a shit and is too braindead to even remotely understand anything you say beyond simple attack commands, but then you have a dozen Fighting mons as well, Conkeldurr and Machamp are seen fairly often in construction sites, so obviously they understand humans well enough considering the amount of coordination doing construction jobs often takes. Intelligent bird Pokemon like Corviknight and Squawkabilly would very likely understand human speech as well, especially given both are used as methods of transportation in their respective regions of origin, corvids and parrots are also incredibly smart animals already, Pokemon tend to be way smarter than animals in general as is commonly shown.
>>58564007Nigga in Europe construction work is often done by eastern europeans who neither speak the local language nor English. Basically the same thing.
>>58563637>dont exactlyI feel like there is room for ambiguity here and not equating this statement to all pokemon absolutely dont understand human language.
>>58563637Yeah, interspecies communication exists in real life too, but it doesn't mean you perfectly understand each other. Surely anyone with a pet understands what's being said here.
>>58564029This point doesn't really work as well as you'd think considering the Pokemon in question would be from the same region as the construction company they're a part of.
>>58564052That's right however most of pokemon fanbase including the retards in this thread are ESLs with negative IQ.
>>58563930Huh? Little Joey's fallen into the well? Let's go Lassie!It's easy as that. Fucking morons in this thread.
>>58563652I
>>58564068What the fuck are you rambling about retard.
>>58564052Yes, but we have to ge mad at GF for writing the games here anon.
>>58563930I mean, anyone who's had a pet or lived in a farm for a bit will pick up on the fact animals have patterns and methods of communication, you can immediately tell what your cat is feeling or trying to emote, an in fact it's been studied there's sounds and behaviors cats only take when they're around humans. Dogs are pretty emotive as well and very social animals. I've even gotten down a few specific sounds my chickens made that indicate "I found food!", "I'm pissed off!" and "This is strange."You just need to pick up on basic patterns, it's not even really that difficult.
>>58563637pokemon cannot speak any language, why is this so hard for you to comprehend
>>58564139You're very bold in assuming people here know what animals are.
what if there was a scene where someone gave a brand new pokemon-human translator to a gastrodon and it just spewed racial slurs
>>58564003yeah because surely every pokemon has eyes on the back of its head to see what you're trying to get it to do in the middle of a fight
>>58563652Extremely rare exception to the rule.
>>58564155dude don't post gen 10 spoilers
>>58563719https://youtu.be/v5kRW54Bbe4
>>58563656>humans can't understand PokemonI can though? pokémon are pretty easy to understand
>>58564052Yeah, probably said hotondo in nip or something.
>>58564160No, you have to get their attention first, you tap them on the shoulder and then play Pictionary with it until it figures out which move you want it to use, ez.
>>58563705The first mention of shrinking in the video games and not a guidebook or website was literally in Gen 4, the fuck are you on about?
>>58563637If my pokemon cannot understand my words, why does it attack with the move I command it to?
>>58564362Ahem.
>>58563923>literally EVERY iteration and representationHere's the You.
Pokemon is insanely inconsistent on if Pokemon are sapient or operate on animal intelligence just don’t think about it it doesn’t matter and TPC doesn’t give a shit
>some anons thought humans and pokemon 100% understand each otherWhat the fuck?Do you retards play or watch anything Pokemon?There's a gag about this in the anime.N is special because he can.This is unforgivable. You have to leave this board.
Legends has done this beforeIn BW2, in Dreyden's memory, he states that pokeballs didn't exist when he was a child
>>58564491In Unova, maybe.
>>58563923You should actually play the games instead of watching the anime because you can see Pokemon shrink when they faint.
>>58563650
>>58564491Damn how old is gramps
>>58564486>Do you retards play or watch anything Pokemon?First lore thread?
>>58564535So what you’re saying is every animation in game is cannon? So canonically Pokemon, until AZ, battle by standing in one single spot and bounced up and down to perform a move like double kick. Let’s be real: In the Pokemon world there is NOTHING that shows Pokemon shrinking. If it wasn’t for an entree written back in 1999, and one single line more than a decade later in LA, what would you use as proof? Meanwhile, pokeballs have obvious technology in how they work, Pokemon can be stored in PCs, Pokemon are healed at centers by using technology, there is teleporters, there is holograms, the list goes on with how technologically advanced the world is. If you are an autismo that can’t see past “canon” I get it, but you have to admit that shrinking makes for poor world building.
>>58564468>the Pokémon are shown as tiny in the PokéballOk, and? The Pokéball shrunk them.
>>58564677NTA but>If it wasn’t for an entree written back in 1999Zukan is from 96 and regardless, its canon directly written by GF.> one single line more than a decade later in LA, what would you use as proof?Lucian's line in Gen 4 or the Mom line in SM.>f you are an autismo that can’t see past “canon”That's just normal thinking in fandom. Its only in the pokemon fanbase that the norm is that poketubers make the canon.
>>58563652he's a Zoroark
>>58563637The franchise has always been inconsistent on this, given that all Pokemon can understand move commands perfectly with zero training involved. That feral Primeape is, in fact, still lucid enough to recognize that when I tell it to use Seismic Toss, it better start fucking using it, and when it wants to disobey, it very specifically understands what I'm hoping it will do, and what to do instead to disobey.Also, Rotom. It isn't said to be a Pokemon who can understand human speech, but they chose it specifically to be used to inhabit everyday mobile phones, which implies either>humans CAN in fact understand Pokemon and have developed technology that allows them to automatically translate Rotom's speech, intents, thoughts, etc.>Rotom CAN in fact understand Humans and can perfectly comprehend human programming in order to translate its own speech, intents, thoughts, etc.
>>58564745Okay so it’s even older, and treated like it’s unbreakable canon. Got it. Oh and excuse me, do something written in 1996, one line in gen 4 a decade later, one line in SM, and then one line in LA. Still not much better. And stop projecting about poketubers, I can’t name a single one, I just play the games and can think critically about the media I’m enjoying
>>58564781>and treated like it’s unbreakable canonYes, because they didn't retcon it. Had they done so, a game as recent as LA wouldn't have confirmed it.> Still not much betterBetter than poketubers>I just play the games and can think critically about the media I’m enjoyingYou very clearly aren't.
>Delibird, tell me what are you thinking right now>"Delibird deli deli delibird bird"Ergo, we can't really understand their language.
>>58564809>he can’t decipher the pitch changes and body language to determine what delibird meansngmi
>>58564809skill issue
Only a select few Pokemon can understand human language, much less speak it themselves, and they're noted for that. Lapras and Latias/Latios are notably able to understand speech, some legendaries like Calyrex and Arceus can communicate through telepathy. Zoroark is one of those that can communicate too, since there's one disguised as a woman in BW who chats with the player.
>>58564958Also notably Jynx is one that literally nobody can communicate with. Not even other Pokemon.
>>58563705the shrink thing is the most retarded shit everit's not canon to me
>>58564968I think she's just yelling slurs in a singsong voice at other Pokemon.
>>58564535Except they don't. Pokemons that faint never shrink, it was just an animation for PokeBalls. The "they shrink when they faint" is a recent retcon
The one piece of Pokemon lore I willfully disregard is “Pokemon have to consent to be captured” because it’s retarded
>>58565067Pokemon are our slaves
>>58564678Oh.I misinterpreted your post big time.That's embarassing. Sorry anon.
>>58565067for me, it’s shrinkingabsolutely shit world building right next to rotom
>>58563637N can understand pokemon.Any pokemon with telepathy as it's ability can communicate with humans mentally. Some legendaries can communicate with humans via telepathy without having said ability simply because they're that powerful.Special pokemon like Meowth can talk at the cost of losing the ability to fight.Mimic pokemon like Zoroark and Ditto can potentially talk to humans, depending on how strong they are.
>>58565100Shrinking is whatever it’s consistent with everything else.>Lure ball works better on water Pokemon because uhhhh the Pokemon sees a lure ball as more honorable or something idk lol
>>58563637This was always the case.
>>58563682yes, how is this new? we had jynx in pmd as the proof that pokemon mostly don't understand what humans are saying, if anything in pmd's case it was a retcon when the main characters were able to understand jynx later one
>>58564781>Okay so it’s even older, and treated like it’s unbreakable canon. Got it.Yeah? Do you even know what the word canon actually means?
>>58565140Net Ball comes to mind. Nets should absolutely work on more than bugs and fish.
>>58565187>Using Jynx as an example while posting a mystery dungeon game about Jynx talking with others pokemons and not humansYou are so dumb holy shit, get out of here
>>58565226I wish nets worked on vaporeons.
>>58565034Probably rapping in some ancient language.
>>58563637I pick and choose.
>>58564968She speaks jive
>>58563705I knew this thread looked retarded, it's the antishrink retard again, get a hobby man.
Most Pokemon can understand human speech, most are incapable of making the same sounds. Most humans are incapable of directly understanding Pokemon speech. The anime had the right of it, I feel.
>>58565140I just headcannon it to be like a fishtank on the inside.
>ashnimetard has another meltdown over basic piece of worldbuilding that has always existedevery time
>>58563652he’s a freak without a human heart
>>58563688That wouldn't be a problem with Psy type didn't exist, with pokémon having IQ over 5000, others being super computer, and even some being able to read minds.
>>58565506These aren't even ashimine folk, these are JUST the people who took Smash Brothers Melee as canon to Pokemon.
>>58565506>ashnimethe games can't even pick a side, lil bro, including z-a
>>58565598This doesn't look comfortable at all.
You now remember ProtoMario's "what happens inside a Pokeball" video.A shame that he mostly seems to repost political memes these days...>>58565645Not one bit.
AZ talking about his 3 cm wide flower getting sent to the frontlines like it was fucking Saving Private Ryan out there but metapods should have clued you in to stop giving a shit if nothing else did.
Doesn't the beginning of this game contradict this when Urbain/Taunie tell the other two starters to carry your bag to the hotel
>>58566009yes
>>58566009They were taught to do that, like dogs.
>>58566009No because not even the out of context OP pic establishes that pokemon can't understand any human word.
>>58566009This contradicts the entirety of Gen 7 because Rotomdex exists and openly talks to you like a normal person Game freak should stop trying to explain lore than will never make sense to begin with, idiots
>>58566043Learn English
>>58563637Pokemon have beyond parrot level human language understanding based on the sheer amount of moves. So this is bullshit.Use Electro-BallUse DESCRIPTIVE ADJECTIVE NOUNThe fact pokemon get this instantly means they grasp human language
>>58566048cope
>>58564968Based on her Pokédex entries, I believe Jynx is supposed sound the way a human language does for a non-speaker (including Pokémon in the PMD canon)
>>58565229You should read those dex entries, wise guy.
>>58563637that's because she speaks ebonics, even humans have problems with it
>>58563962This. They seriously need to get their writers to agree on some things instead of just putting whatever they want at the moment. It's jarring seeing the quote in the OP when in the same game a wild Skarmory in that side mission completely shits all over the notion.
>>58563962>>58567447The Skarmory gave over the feather because it saw how desperate the human was. If you think the Skarmory specifically understood he needed the feather to make a knife to gift to his friend, then you need to go back to school and work on your ability to read.
>>58567516That same Skarmory can be found at the restaurant after the human told it that it was welcome to visit, fucking retard.
>>58567516Me when the human I see starts making noises (but desperate) so I let him have something that’s special to me and then after he makes more noises I get out of the wild zone and go to the restaurant Man whatever here’s the (You), kill yourself.
>>58567556>>58567587So this is the literacy of the Gen 5 audience.
>>58567600
>>58564155>what if there was a scene where someone gave a brand new pokemon-human translator to a gastrodon and it just spewed racial slursGastrodon be like:>We must secure the existence of our species and a future for West Sea Shellos!>Why are you preventing me from swimming in the East Sea? That's persecution! Racism! Intolerance!>Throw those East Sea Gastrodons out of the West Sea!>Did you know blue is associated with lower SpA and SpD? Twin tests confirm!
What makes me sad isn't even if the mons can or cannot speak, but the canon inconsistency. It shows GF+Nintendo+TPC are simply pumping out games, without further thought, simply because suckers will still buy them.
>>58566055"Soundproof" makes this issue more complicated.
>>58568482Show examples of this inconsistency speedreader.
>>58566055My guess is that their ability matches chimps: it's protolinguistic, _almost_ language. Basically:>words can modify words, up to a certain limit>practically no recursion>ability to learn a rather large vocab, but still smaller than humans
>>58563652>>58563652N is basically L from Death Note.
>>58568529They're nothing alike. Do you even know who N is?
>>58563652
>>58563683Dogs can't understand complex commands like pokemon do, and they need years of training to even understand some.Pokemon in games can obey complex commands as soon as caught.And in the anime they're depicted as fully understanding human speech but unable to use it themselves
>>58563949What about the anime then.Not only it depicts them as being able to understand commands as soon as caught too, but it also depicts them as being able to understand literally anything humans say outside of battles as well.
>>58566205So, are you telling me that Jynx talks like Adriano Celentano?https://youtube.com/watch?v=bQDY3HFkh_Y
>>58563637>>58563962>>58563977>>58567447Game Freak being retards who shit up contradicting lore depending on time is nothing new.Pokedex entries are infamous for being full of retarded nonsense that gets contradicted by gameplay or other entries.
>>58564486Stop pretending to be retarded.No one is claiming that humans understand pokemon speech.What has always been shown both in game and especially anime was humans not being able to understand pokemon speech, but pokemon being able to fully understand human speech to the smaller details.
>>58563637They can understand you. But not exactly.Its same with dogs.
>>58565658>SpoilerBut is it based politics or cringe politics
>>58568727All politics are fucking terrible and burn you out quickly, but if you must know, he is of the American red-wing variety of some type, haven't quite narrowed down which part of the spectrum though. Not commie wing, the other one.
>>58565129I love how you concentrate on the issue of whether humans can understand pokemon speech (which everyone agrees they can't aside from a few exceptions) when the core issue in OP's pic is the implication that pokemon are unable to understand human speech, which fundamentally contradicts everything shown in game and anime.Pokemon has always been shown as being able to understand human speech, unlike humans who can't understand pokemon speech.
>>58568723Dog analogy has already been shattered.Pokemon human interactions are much more complex and dont require years of training prior.
>>58564160>mime stone edge>never connects a single time>turns out it thought i was miming stone miss
>>58563637>can't exactlyWhat it means is you can't have complicated conversations with them, you need to keep things basic.
>>58565512Ghetsis, go away.
>>58569049P
>>58569207A
>>58569460H
>>58563652The end of Black and White was literally N learning he doesn't actually understand that Pokemon are naturally subservient bottoms that love being out into chicken fights, and context clues like his room imply he was mostly just making assumptions that suited his narrative based on repeated exposure to Pokemon abuse.Everyone says they love those games but no one seems to remember the end.
>>58563923The way I see the Pokemon anime from a broken down scientific perspective is that the pokeball must be emitting a wave pattern towards the pokemon that modern day Pokemon Scientists have discovered that allows a pokemon species to trigger its personal shrink factor, they feel drawn towards the beam at a photonic level. All of this being possible because modern day Pokeballs do some sort of process that quantically entangles the pokemon to the pokeball, because otherwise why aren't people trying to catch pokemon with the beam?
This is all making me think, why haven't we ever seen a non-ball pokeball in the series? It's all based in apricorns so I guess that makes the cheapest gotta be ball-like of course, but couldn't modern day technology make something more like a magic wand pokeball? I bed that would be a lot easier to aim at a pokemon you're trying to use return on.
>>58563637Gamefreak is bored and they decided to crash the franchise.
>>58571342What about that anime episode with the giant Gengar?
>>58571353That was this thing, right? You would hold that a bit steadier I guess, but I dunno man. Some sort of stick seems far easier to wield than a double terminated dildo that aims from the center of it.
If you ever feel retarded remember at least you will never be as dumb as OP.
