>>58583480
Pokèmon fans are manchildren embarrassed of being addicted to a game made for babies so they look for any once of edginess to make themselves look “mature”

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>>58583480
I actually finished this game recently, I can't believe shilling it told me it had good writing.
So many characters use their magic or guns or some other bullshit to nullify the story consequences of winning/losing a Pokemon battle
There is a moment where you are Pokemon battling one of the main villains and after you win, he states
>ah yes another meaningless Pokemon battle.
Why the fuck would someone make a Pokemon game if Pokemon are so inconsequential in the story?

>>58583495
The second game is even worse. I hate that you have to join their shitcord server if you want to have access to any information or documentation.

Also there's way too much dialogue, the story is already complicated enough (on top of being terrible) and I can't keep up with everything that is said.

>>58583483
fpbp

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oh no no no no no no soulstonesxisters what is this

>>58583480
Because they cannot handle that the thing they like didn't grow up with them.

>>58583495
>Why the fuck would someone make a Pokemon game if Pokemon are so inconsequential in the story?
my theory is its fags that just want to write their own donut steel story, but they're too scared to do it without a built in audience and mechanics so they piggyback on pokemon
looking at you, rejuvenation

>>58583720
>rejuvenation
i still remember that time its creator admitted to how his game's story has nothing to do with pokemon and that you could replace/remove all instances of pokemon from its story and nothing would really change
and from what i've seen from both actually released versions and recently unearthed old beta versions, it's clear that he's entirely reliant on essentials (and approximately 17 other devs) as a crutch to make something that functions in the first place

>>58583480
Pretty much the only fangame I've played with a good story is Desolation. Most of all the rest is so, so boring.

Do japanese ever make fangames ?

>>58584640
They would go to prison if they did

>>58583647
Why is that incineroar dancing?

>>58584737
retard dance since it forgot that it could easily one shot the chatot

>>58583495
They know to some extent they wouldn't get anyone playing their dogshit if Pokemon wasn't attached, quite a few fangames these days are made by people who don't even like Pokemon or are utter normies that don't get the point of the series, which originally was meant to be a coming of age story with exploration, mystery, dark undertones and most important of all, simple but fun gameplay, the insane amount of fangames with dogshit forced gimmick sections likes stealth puzzles that suck absolute dick is insulting, and probably numbers in the fucking hundreds.
Also Soulstones was made by a butthurt latinx who fled his shithole country and now lives in Canada, said latinx's discord is filled to the brim with trannies. The first game's villains are literally called "republicans" btw.

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>Hear quite a few fags recommend me Salt and Shadow (originally called Perish Song)
>Notice it's weird that with the name change the game also weirdly removed Pokemon's sexes from the game
>Beat the game on a "no-sleep" run out of curiosity to see what's behind a locked door
>Postgame museum opens up
>Find out Pokemon's sexes were removed due to tranny seething
>Enter the game's discord out of morbid curiosity
>The first image that pops up in the shitcord is tranny bullshit with an image of the game's dev in tranny colors with a caption that went something like "They can't oppress us forever! We stand united!"
>Devs aren't even subtle they stole a bunch of features and even a character straight out of Reborn
>Everyone in the shitcord is a very mentally ill tranny doing exponentially more retarded le heckin challengerino runs to whore for attention in their circlejerk

>>58584809
>Alice Fae
Even the names they choose for themselves are instantly clockable.

>>58584809
Imagine how much of a pathetic loser you have to be to have a melty about the fact that genders of cartoon animals exist in a free to play Pokemon fan game

>>58584809
>abolished gender
I thought trannies were pro genders or whatever as sex means biological male or female

>>58584767
Jos is a spic ?

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>>58584767
>The first game's villains are literally called "republicans" btw.
I noticed, they are also very frequently compared to nazis.
>>58584809
lol I was just started Salt and Shadow and also noticed their were no genders. I just assumed it was a weird attempt to make the game harder or something. ofc it was for a tranny related reason lmao
>>58584883
advanced faggots want to destroy the concept of biological sex, so any acknowledgement of its existence is haram or something.

>>58585300
>lol I was just started Salt and Shadow and also noticed their were no genders. I just assumed it was a weird attempt to make the game harder or something. ofc it was for a tranny related reason lmao
I ESLed this pretty badly

>>58584767
>the insane amount of fangames with dogshit forced gimmick sections likes stealth puzzles that suck absolute dick is insulting
virtually all "stealth" "puzzles" in fangames are literally just hallways except you're not allowed to step on certain tiles since they don't include any ways to circumvent or disable guards beyond not stepping on unapproved tiles
the only way to make them "hard" with a pokemon game's overworld mechanics is to either have guards out of sight, have vague detection areas, or make movement really janky, none of which are good alternatives
notice how i left out anything related to RNG in that, because it'd either not really change much or make it just a RNG check depending on how tight/loose the tolerances are and whether or not there's any time pressure or lack of perfectly safe areas to AFK in until guards are in a favorable position for you
but really the effort it takes to create a stealth puzzle that isn't trial and error/RNG/bad controls based or completely trivial in a pokemon fangame/romhack is so high compared to the payoff that you really might as well not bother, lest you just fuck it up instead
and if you care about making/playing stealth puzzles then you really should just go with a non-pokemon game instead

on another note
>The first game's villains are literally called "republicans" btw.
don't they use the CE calendar for some reason despite being republicans

I should make a fangame and its just an adventure with long routes and mons that fit the enviroment.

>>58585300
A lot of latinx, especially Brazilians, love fleeing to Canada, Jos does nothing but shit on America and blame it as the reason latinx countries are so awful, which is a typical latinx behavior and Soulstones 2 just so happens to have an area that is literally just the Amazon. Jos is also short for Josue, a common mutt name, again, largely used in Brazil, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing towards him being a Brazilian macaco, so not exactly a spic due to Brazil being an old Portuguese colony but yeah, close enough. There's also the fact Soulstones is a lazily stapled together ripoff with a dozen stolen maps from other fangames, latinx love stealing shit.
>>58585433
One of the few things I appreciate in Spanish fangames is that a lot of them have cute minigames instead of forcing people to deal with stealth bullshit.
>CE calendar
Jos lives in Cucknada, and as I said in my previous reply, a lot of stuff points towards him being a latinx too.

>>58583480
Because they don't have me as lead creative director.
>but
No. Only I know what would be best for a creative Pokémon endeavour. Me.
>you can't-
Yes I can. Shut up.

>>58583483
I don't really think this is true
I think they're just ordinary chuunis

>>58583495
If you hated the game so much then why did you draw fanart of one of its Pokemon? Do you have any self awareness?

>>58585612
it's not an avatarfag without xhim inserting xis avatar into literally. every. fcuking. thing.

>>58585638
I’ll insert my avatar into your moms pussy

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>>58583480
Pic related.
tl;dr Pokemon fanbase is full of immature manchildren.

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>>58585356
>else if the Republicans catch us, they get us all
what

>>58586079
wish I took screenshots of better dialogue, but they are just stating that if the republicans catch them, their entire resistance is in danger of being destroyed. I just took the screenshot because I think it was the first time the term Republicans was used in the game, and I thought it was funny.

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>>58586093
ik. its just so unbelievably funnt and retarded. and what's worse - its unironic.

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Normalize making fangames unapologetically immature.

>>58586147
>Normalize
I wonder who made this post

>>58586160
A skitty probably

>>58586093
>I think it was the first time the term Republicans was used in the game
Did you somehow have someone else hand you a save after getting through character creation/the intro
Because the one time I could get that mess to launch, the intro cutscene specifically said that you were sent by the republicans to do some time travel bullshit in the past

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>>58586147
so true

the only fangame you need to play is emerald rogue

>>58586343
>the shocking truth about that sweltering summer day
Wolfbros...is this what I think it is?

>>58586360
KWAB

One of these days, I'm going to make a fangame where the Republicans are the villain.
The twist is that they're literal republicans, attempting to overthrow the monarchy to establish a republic.

>>58583789
desolation was better than it should have been
so naturally thats the one that the dev had to drop before completion

>>58586147
>Markiplier
WAS THAT THE POST OF '87?!

>>58586457
kino

>>58583483
you can notice most of those games are made by underage kids that assume swear and cruelty = adult content which is laughable.
as some have joked around
>hacks made with swearing and cruelty are made by under 15 years old because are the only one that assume those themes are equal to adult content..
>hacks made with lot of sex themes and sex jokes are made by over 35 year old people that try to make it more like things they grew up with.
>hacks made with troon and faggot content are made by people between 15 and under 35 sunce for them is kinda "normal" that shit.

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>>58587000
checked and i'm gonna repost this image i found in rheg a few hours ago

>>58587198
You were beaten to it. >>58585997
Still, it's a good nugget of wisdom.

Only the italians are known to be good at making fangames, truly a shame that they are a dying breed.

>>58587790
spain does ok too

>>58587000
>Pokemon Z attempts to shove Witches with actual magic, Gypsies being persecuted by AZ, Bloodborne,Vampires, Sky Pirates and public executions. It's all so awful in it's attempts to be mature but humorous and 'avande-garde' that you can easily remember it's made by the retard who made Opalo.

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>>58587949
Opalo was retarded autism kino though

>>58587955
Man, I only reached the tournament part and stopped after I heard the second half was even more fucking dumb

>>58587966
yes second half goes off the rails
The president goes to an Amerindian reservation and guns them down. The creator is a lot more heavy handed with his political beliefs overall in the second half.

>>58587976
I might just try more Myth, but neither capture me to continue either.

Sage is a joke in attempting to release anything. Gen 12 will pass and there still won't be a released game

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>>58587987
I cannot remember Myth too well, but the story gets really rushed towards the end in a very stupid and unsatisfying way. The game is not too long for what that is worth, it took me exactly 8 hours to finish the main game. It has a cool Hall of Fame background though.

>>58587790
I thought Italians were something Nintendo made up though

>>58588039
I'm right here

>>58588043
Oh my god! Luigi?! I thought you were only in video games!

>>58587790
The French are alright too
Latin Europeans make good games in general. Amerilatinx can't compare.

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Poor Blaine

>>58588085
>Blaine
THAT IS DR. WESLEY LINKLATER, YOU BLOOD BITCH BASTARD, HE WAS THE SOULKEEPER OF THE CRIMSON SOULSTONE! GET IT RIGHT!

Sometimes I think about making a fangame/hack but then I remember that requires coding when I hate sitting at a PC for too long and that Pokemon-onlys have the media literacy of a fucking germ. No need to waste thought on Pokemon when you could do something for an actually good franchise or make something original.

>>58588179
What does media-literacy have to do with making something that's actually fucking enjoyable?

>>58588194
What's the point of writing anything seriously when the only people who'll read it are faggots who can't understand it?

>>58588067
Dimensional merge finally happened

>>58588216
Look man, it sounds like you're trying to focus on the VIDEO part over the GAME part. Yeah, a lot of fangames are mediocre. I can tell you right now that it's not the story that's causing the problems.
Even a shit RPG story can be covered up by good gameplay. A good story can't cover up a shit game.

>>58588145
I played the entire game and I didn't even remember most characters name, they are all pretty forgettable just like the story. And some of the deaths in this game don't make any sense. Like that time when the wraiths kill the Marshadow girl and then they will tell you "oh no don't worry we are on your side despite killing your friend", it's so retarded and you can tell Jos can't write a good story.

>>58588282
>Arceus and the origin cult creates the time wraiths
>They are just blue guys in trenchcoats
>When they battle you, they just use normal Pokemon any other trainer would use.
Also it is weird how easy the characters forgive the time wraiths for killing their friend, but the player character hates Victor for the rest of the game for shooting that one woman who betrayed you. Seriously the player character is such a whiny bitch in that game.
>>58588256
>Even a shit RPG story can be covered up by good gameplay.
Depends on what you are looking for in an RPG. I like RPGs for their ability to create an immersive world, which its gameplay is an important part but not the sole aspect of world building in said game. Look at Morrowind, it has absolute dogshit gameplay but people still obsess over it for its world, because the sense of fantasy the game creates is enthralling for many people. I view solid gameplay as a necessary component of a good RPG but not the main point, I want a RPG to create a fantasy world I want to engage with.
A common problem with Pokemon fangames, is that there is a huge disconnect between the gameplay and what actually happens in the game. Like, as was said earlier, Pokemon battles not having an impact on the story progression, or strong/weak trainers having a team that does not correspond with how powerful they are presented as being. The gameplay of a RPG can be good, but if it does not complement or contradicts the story or world of the game, it detracts from the overall experience. I understand not everyone views RPGs this way, especially because it is a huge umbrella genre with lots of very different games, but it is how I approach them.

>>58585997
This made me realize people who want a mature pokemon are insane.
Who the hell needs alcoholism or divorce or memento mori in their adventure about capturing magical creatures

>>58588282
Apparently Jos said her death was "collateral damage", but the death is still pointless (in fact, it makes it worse because she was one of the least annoying soulkeepers), it's also weird how the characters just don't give a shit and move on.

>>58588349
I never understood why everyone hated Victor in that game, I'm convinced that he did nothing wrong.

>>58588386
Quite literally without Victor, his brother would have corrupted the origin and the rest of the main cast would have no idea how to stop his brother or know what he was even trying to do. Victor doesn't even get a thank you, the main character just bitches at him as soon as Victor rejoins the main cast.

>>58584809
>Alice Fae
Troon name

I remember trying to play a fangame called Insurgence and I just did NOT like it because of how it was written. I wanted to like it because it was doing something with the Delta Pokemon that only existed in the TCG.

>>58585997
fucking damn shit ass nigger tits

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>>58587790
yeah i liked it

>>58583483
A lot of the people making these fangames and romhacks are teenagers though. They want to make a "cool" and "dark" game and it just bounces into grimderp and "edgy humor".

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Making a Johto prequel fangame bit-by-bit on Essentials. Doing my best to feel like an authentic Pokemon game beyond Doubles in Gen 2.

>>58589782
looks nice

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>>58589811
This is an early route map, based on the mountains north of Olivine. Going east brings you to the second city, Zelkova Town.

For as shit as Gamefreak's work is it's unreal how much shittier fangames can do it.

>here's a trillion different terrains with a billion random effects better open the wiki
>lets also have a horrible story that sounds like it was written by a 13 year old that thought putting his generic edgy anime OCs in was cool
>also if you aren't going for perfect ivs/evs/natures you're crippling yourself
>by the way we put magikarp 90% of the way through the game it'd just be too easy otherwise

>>58583480
Same type of people who love this onions out about the windows in lumiose

>>58589652
Insurgence is one of the more tolerable fangames in terms of writing fyi

>>58590002
>here's a trillion different terrains with a billion random effects better open the wiki
>open the wiki
Inaccurate, fan games almost never have wikis. What you actually have to do is join their discord for the information you seek.

>>58590026
Doesn't mean I have to like what it did overall

>>58590070
I’m just warning you

>>58590105
I know and I appreciate it. I've heard horror stories of other fangames such as Snakewood

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>>58590033
Or if there's somehow an out of discord guide it's the most agonizing to read wall of text ever
No I do not need every detail about every single sidequest and random unnamed NPC spelled out to me when I'm only concerned about just getting through the main quest, or having every single step of a puzzle spelled out via text and not with any kind of picture/gif/video solution that'd convey the information better and in a more intuitive way
at least reborn's wiki is actually decently useful compared to the walkthrough, despite being hosted on fandom

>>58590224
pretty sure that snakewood is just shit for the lulz. and then there's stuff that's bad because of terrible development practices/bad on accident, and then there's trash that's bad to, and I shit you not, make a political statement, aka pokemon empire

>>58588256
>Even a shit RPG story can be covered up by good gameplay
I sometimes think this is the reason why Kingdom Hearts is loved by all, when it has the literacy level of a Xenoblades character where they believe panting, grunting, and long eye stares are the equivalent of Shakespeare.

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>>58590224
Snakewood is a MUST play!

>>58590033
I hate this new trend
I only use Discord for my IRL friends, retards online don't need to know who I am or what I look like

>>58590026
Insurgence is edgy as hell but I always felt it was trying to be camp about it on purpose, which is much better than taking it seriously

>>58587198
>>58585997
unironically i think RBY had a healthy, if small, dosage of "mature" themes, in a very "boy meets world" way. you're a kid setting out on your own to explore the world around you, and while there's great adventures to be had, that's not without some harsh truths (some harsher than others)
>rival is an asshole i mean i would be too if my name was DICKS
>pervert old man watching the girls at the celadon gym
>there are people who will try and exploit things for their own gain and profit (in this case team rocket exploiting pokemon)
>people & pokemon die (lavender tower)
>organizations will associate with shady individuals (giovanni, effectively a mafia boss, is part of the official pokemon league)
>industrialization in general is rather prevalent in kanto
now of course every kanto game afterwards neuters this since the series went kiddy mode near instantly, but i think if i were to make a fangame i'd lean more into these aspects, imo it's a good way to make pokemon mature without gratuitous

>>58592058
>Insurgence is edgy as hell
Honestly, I felt like Insurgence was the most edgy right at the beginning of the game and then it never approached the same level of edginess ever again. As an edgelord, I was disappointed by the lack of overall edge in Insurgence.

>>58583480
Because it gave them freedom to do whatever they want without corporate oversight.

">>58590408
I NEED MY MONSTER COLLECTING GAME TO HAVE A DEEP MESSAGE"
I love how so many devs think this makes them fancy and mature, but it just screams unemployment.
Like, why the fuck pick Pocket Monsters to convey such things?

A lot of people here say cowardice, devs that fear making a solo RPG or write something of their own.
But I think its more of a delusional attachment to a franchise. They spent too much time on Pokemon, forsaking actual maturity and real life social connections, so now they NEED these games to mean something more, to make themselves feel like they haven't wasted their youth obsessing over children's toys. Doubling down on the error instead of facing the truth.

>>58585530
It’s true if you look at any corner of fan content over the years lol

Hello, Pokemon Fangame Writer. My name is Jigsaw. In this "Saw Trap" (as I've taken to calling them), there is a reasonable and even sympathetic character in front of you. Your challenge is to leave the room without killing him. He is hasn't done anything warranting death. He is perfectly fine being alive. The door is unlocked.

>>58592103
Agree
I think one of the better notes, is that Brendan/May drop out of the game.
This person who was, to your knowledge, doing the same thing as you, wasn't having fun, and is no longer doing it.
Maybe you lead to that, maybe you didn't, but, shit like that can happen.

>>58592461
Forgot to mention, talking about rse but yeh

I dunno what it is about Latin America and pokemon hacks, but I know, if I see some Spanish or Portuguese in there, I'm gonna have a good time.

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>>58592103
Have you ever consumed media outside of Pokemon? These are all shit not uncommon in children's media.

>rival is an asshole
Thomas the Tank Engine has Gordon be a rude prick all the time. every cartoon on Nick and CN and Disney Channel has asshole rivals.

>there are people who will try and exploit things for their own gain and profit
101 Dalmatians, Rio, the minion movie, a bunch of sesame street episodes

>people & pokemon die
Charlotte's Web, every story that mentions dead family like Cinderella, anything spooky like Casper the friendly ghost. And Pokemon ZA had a named character die, Pokemon SV also had a death implied.

>organizations will associate with shady individuals (giovanni, effectively a mafia boss, is part of the official pokemon league)
Doctor Eggman works for the US gov in the first sonic movie, the villain of Madagascar 3 is a police woman, Team Flare was part of high society for much of XY until it all broke down.

>industrialization in general is rather prevalent in kanto
Kanto is comically garden-like compared to real Kanto, which holds the Tokyo Metropolitan Area, known for being absurdly densely populated and urbanized.

>pervert old man watching the girls at the celadon gym
Some dude looking at fully clothed girls is as lewd as a burqa as far as japanese animation aimed at kids goes.

Compare RBY to Zelda at the same time, Dragon Quest for a similar age range in Japan. Or just, the two competitor series (monster rancher, digimon) all having actual deaths as part of gameplay mechanics.

>>58583480
Because they're made by autists

>>58592562
Congratulations, you've discovered that kids media can in fact tackle mature themes while still being kids media!

Also some of these technically aren't kid's media. Disney's modus operandi up until the rennasiance was to try to create movies that appealed to EVERYONE while remaining in the G rating. 101 Dalmatians, Cinderella and Charlotte's Web aren't aimed at kids as a result, they just happen to be entirely family friendly.

>>58585997
Pretty much,
They're not being mature: they're being as fuck. fuck.

(Whoops, accidentally said that Charlotte's Web was Disney. That's wrong, that's Hanna-Barbera.)

>>58592562
Yeah
Just, look at Digimon Adventure 1.
You have
Deaths of digimon, including sympathetic, friendly, and good Digimon.
The children dealing with the existential dread and uncertainty of not being able to return home, in a world that can very easily kill them.
The children's own social dynamic becoming strained, as people are pushed into roles they don't want, but have to fill to survive.
Tai's entire PTSD arc in the episode where he gets to go home for a bit. Nothing seems right anymore, his own home feels foreign, and he can't look at the world as simply as he could have before, leading to his ultimate decision to return. Not just to save everyone else, but because he can't stand the world he used to know.
Adults and parents making bad decisions, for justifiable reasons, that the children must disobey. As much of a coming of age moment as can exist.
Villains with sympathetic motives, and villains with unsympathetic motives, and how to handle the difference.
And then Adventure 02 immediately follows that up, with the single fact that some people have moved on. Joe and Mimi just aren't around anymore.

>>58592452
yeah but what if I instead either turn him into an incel or show that he was abused as a child, what then

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>>58586343
>kill God for no particular reason
Existing in this wretched timeline seems reason enough to me.

>>58592562
>These are all shit not uncommon in children's media.
yeah, and i never said that pokemon was the only kids media that does stuff like that. i'm talking only in the scope of the pokemon series because this is a thread about maturity in pokemon games, posted to the pokemon board

>>58592562
>ERM ACTUALLEE (words words words correcting something that no one was arguing in the first place)
bro really thought he was cooking something with this post

>>58593052
Imagine an edgy fangame where you actually pull regignosis, that would be fun.
Especially when Regigigas realizes "wait, by working together, both humanity and pokekind can reach greater highers.... I must save this world."

He still would call Aus cringe for being a humanfucker.

>>58593439
I just question if the right term is "mature" at all if 90% of children's media will touch those topics on the regular.

>>58594061
90% of MEMORABLE children's media does. A METRIC TON of children's media never does.
I guess the "best" term would be "realism." All of these subjects happen in the real world, and they're pretty nasty topics that kids shouldn't have to worry about, but will because... y'know, it's not like being a kid invalidates those problems.
Besides, what would you call mature anyways?

>>58594121
Things that don't involve candy colored creatures to start with.

Or rather, to be fair, maybe a story that mimics real life race horses with Pokemon would be the type of mature pokemon story that can be told. Also things related to age and emotional attachment to a pet but Scarlet Violet just did that plot with the old dog pokemon.

Truth be told, most adult topics have no reason to be told through the lenses of a Pokemon game.

The world itself is nonsense hyperfocused in a single topic/sport, like how everything in a Tony hawk game is about skating tricks or how every other toy anime makes everything about the beyblade/card game/etc.

Like Yu-Gi-Oh has death and some dark stuff, is it mature? No. The richest man in the world being a card game maker or people going to a college to study a card game is unrealistic and centered around the world itself.

That isn't an issue. You don't need to fix Yu-Gi-Oh by making it be about divorce and alcoholism. The same thing goes for pokemon. A lot of the topics people want to address in their "mature pokemon" stories have nothing to do with Pokemon, have nothing to do with a world where people battle fire cats and rock dogs, and mostly just point out things like "isn't it silly that a 12 years old can become super powerful and capture god."

>>58594121
Once again, there's mature and there's edgy.

Edgy is pushing the boundaries of what parents deems appropriate for their children on public broadcast (namely, sex and violence); while mature addresses the inevitable lost of innocent that children will encounter within their lifetimes (namely, lost and abuse).

Some of the fangames did edgy (soulstones) while mainline settles with maturity (Black/White). So far few attempted with a balance act between the two (Reborn is a poster child of this).

>>58583495
fucking retard

>>58594886
Hi Jos

>>58590642
What do you think about games that make drastic changes to Delcatty's mechanics?

>>58595233
Suck

>>58595233
Out of all Pokemon games I have played, Opalo changed Delcatty the most. She became a Normal/Fairy type and I think she got BST boost but I do not know the exact amount. Her defualt ability became Pixelate too, so she is unable to even use her Normal stab without a hidden ability switch. So overall I was not fan because I like Delcatty as a pure Normal-type, throwing fairy type in there just made Steel types a major obstacle during my playthrough.
Delcatty is usually untouched in fangames, probably because the devs forget she exists.
Not a single game I have played tried buffing Normalize, which is disappointing.

>>58597396
Imagine being so much of a loser that you care about a random Pokemon being changed in a FANgame.

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Just started Pokemon Z

>>58594557
In Yugioh's defense, it was originally supposed to be about children's games in general. But the card game blew up so big Konami hard focused on it.

>>58590545
God Xenoblades was such the worse game ever made...

>>58590545
/vp/ hated Retardfuckblade. My kinda of channer community of badasses!!!!

>>58590545
The only reason anyone like those tranime fuck RPGs is because of gay pedo fanservices with the worstest character design ever
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/xenoblade/images/6/64/XC2_Pyra_artwork.png

>>58597599
LE EPIC OFFENSIVE /POL/ HUMOR XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD SO FUCKING FUNNY HAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA I HAVE NO FUCKING LIFE BUT TO MAKE RETARDS EDGY SHITGROUND PARODY OF A KIDS GAME XDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>58590545
Xenoblades literally had the same plot of fucktarded edgelord Pokemon fangame lolz, XB2 most ghated game of /v/ in that reasoning.

>>58597599
>le edgy /pol/ humor xdddd
Its like were really in Newfaggotgrounds...

>>58598689
>Children's games
That's funny. When you see Season 0, you find Yami's games were games where you are meant to lose. He sets you up, you will never outwit him.

>>58597599
Trash edgelord shit. Just like tranime slop that twitter coomers like

>>58590545
ZOMG SO TRUE. Thats why we dont want shitt fuck retarded Monolothfag maoing Pokemon cos will gonna be worster even then the shiity fuck fanfag game!!!!!!!!!!

>>58599447
>>58599456
>>58599503
>Everyone thinks this is a real screenshot

>>58599496
He wasn't called "King of Games" for nothing.

>>58583647
the Medicham tanked that btw

>>58583495
I mean, it can work if it's not overused to hell and back. There's quite a few canon villains (Archie/Maxie, Cyrus, Xerosic, Lusamine, fucking Rose) that went "lol it does not matter" after losing a Pokemon battle to 10yo and just continued with their plans. I think only Gio and Archer willingly retired after losing instead of ignoring the player or being stopped by someone else.

>>58587198
This.
When I say I would like a more mature pokémon game I'm talking about this.
Losing a pokémon or if you want to get creative make a plot about people being addicted to the dream world via Munna and Musharna and give a lesson about real life

>>58583647
I lol everytime i see this gif

>>58599863
wasn't this from the sidequest where it was revealed that Cain admitted he wasn't actually gay
I need the screenshot of that

In Pokemon Opalo there is a random Charizard on a cliff and you have the option to push it off the cliff and kill it. There is no acknowledgement from the game of you doing this, you just do it and move on.

>>58600314
Says he's bi which isn't surprising since he hits on you regardless of what you play as.

>>58600465
can't Charizard just fly...

>>58600606
No have you seen how far they are?

>>58600657
Fat*

>>58594557
What about using Pokémon as a emotional crutch for psychological trauma; like therapy dogs and such?

>>58594557
>Things that don't involve candy colored creatures to start with.

You can involve Pokémon in certain topics.
>drug use
>smuggling
>emotional support
>manipulation
>domestic abuse
>rape
>and much more....

The issue is surround the entire game around that topic when the whole goal is to be the best Pokémon trainer in the land.

>>58600717
>The issue is surround the entire game around that topic when the whole goal is to be the best Pokémon trainer in the land.
But all those themes can work in a PMD fan game

>>58589814
This reminds me of the Goron mountain area in Oracle of Ages.

>>58600728
Exactly, which is sad that was limited to romhacks at this time.

Best you get from the mainline games (and fangames based off of them) are side quests and character backgrounds.

>>58590545
Why does every response to this post sound like a robot trying emulate 2010 4chan

>>58600746
Schizo brainrot will make you sound like that

>>58600733
I wanted to give a sense of verticality to the mountain. This is to prep players for Mt. Silver, being a true megadungeon with a focus on resource management.

>>58600746
Fucking weird right? It has to be a bot

>>58591017
These people have no IRL friends, just discord groomers and their parasocial relationships with the TikTok influencers.

bumpo

>>58600746
He probably hates Xeno a lot, and that one anon riffin' let him finally vent off the hate.

A truly subversive counterculture fangame that goes against all trends in the Pokemon fanbase would be something like
>No evil group, minimal focus on legenderies
>Takes itself and its world at face value, doesn't bash the core of the games
>No fourth wall break comedy or references, total immersion at all times
>Focus on routes instead of towns
>Curated dex, lots of pokemon are extremely hard to find
>Evolution isn't simplified, on the contrary, mons that evolved by level up now need special conditions
>Minimal randomness, even Metronome is now conditional instead of random
>Easier battles
>No pseudo legendaries, especially not as a starter

>>58602203
>Takes itself and its world at face value, doesn't bash the core of the games
>No fourth wall break comedy or references, total immersion at all times
>Focus on routes instead of towns
>Curated dex, lots of pokemon are extremely hard to find
>Evolution isn't simplified, on the contrary, mons that evolved by level up now need special conditions
These are all good ideas

>>58602203
>Easier battles
every generation this bar gets lower and lower to the point where you're just not going to get this without core mechanics changes
they're already about as easy as they're going to get without making it impossible to not be overleveled, or making the AI make terrible decisions as its goal

>>58583647
MediCHAD survived this btw

When I think pokemon, I think Politics.
I'm gonna make a fan game about Liberals and republicans going to war and in the end they'll all have agressive, sweaty, hot, gay sex.
And every pokemon will be removed except Charizard from KANTOOOOOOOOO!! Who you can also romance btw.

>>58600746
Because they are probably bots. Maybe one or two is a real person, hard to tell.
It is known, that there are bots on 4chan whose entire purpose is to invite pointless arguments. I'd say "ragebait", but, that's not even quite right, because a lot of these run on such flimsy antagonism that it's not even really rage.
They're designed to look for particular kinds of posts that they think they can incite fights over. But like most language models, context is all but lost on them, and things like this can happen.
As for why, who the fuck knows. Pick your favorite conspiracy theory or boogieman, it's probably at least a fourth true, at this point. Broad "demoralization" is probably the most common answer you'll get. Maybe trying to cultivate secondhand emulation of the bots in places by actual people. Maybe trying to condition all the underages to think a very specific sort of thing is "cool". Maybe trying to train or research models to engagement bait here, before deploying more refined versions elsewhere. Pick your favorite, make up your own theory.
Good rule of thumb, though, is to just ignore any post that can't speak like a human being, and seems to exist for no reason other than to bicker. Even if it IS a person, nothing good that way lies.

>>58602203
You know, a very down to earth, "kid backpacking in the few square miles around his hometown, catching pokemon that are mostly pretty common, with very low stakes" could be pretty comfy.

>>58599496
Yeah
The point was almost never the actual games themselves, it was always more tests of character, like an elementary school teacher using Heads Up 7-Up to identify which kids are liable to cheat.
Good people were not the targets of the games, and the games were almost always lost by the challenged trying to twist the rules or back out. I think pretty much only the lighter guy was actually a case of "the game is, you just fucking die".

Fan games should be more edgy, they should make edginess a feature, your pokemon should undergo tranformation by giving into the darkness, I should be tasked to kill god, with team of edgemon.
It should go so edgy that we bounce back with using the power of friendship to make a demon blood katana.

>>58602478
Fangame developers put in too much time to be okay with getting dismissed as an edgy shitpost
Someone who doesn't give a fuck is unlikely to finish a project, Wack is kind of a miracle

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>>58602426
instructions unclear
going to take the most obvious bait ever and waste time trying to reply to posters there for no other reason than to start arguments

>>58602475
>The game is: you just fucking die
Personally, I loved that episode. The bad guy was like "I pick my trigger finger", and Yami was "I pick my thumb."
He obviously goes "light my smoke while I pour my drink."
Yami only turned on the lighter, and perfectly dropped onto the bottle hand. If the guy just pulled away his left hand slowly instead of grabbing the lighter with his other hand, maybe he could've survived. But no, his fear got him, and (technically) cheated, so is straight to the Shadow Realm for you.

>>58602478
i'm gonna make a character who's so edgy that she has not one but two pokemon based on swords, and all her mons are named after edged/pointed weapons
because titania is a pussy who uses special attackers, plural, like a bitch who needs a special snowflake field that specifically buffs an already ubers pokemon not once but twice, instead of just having an actually capable team in the first place

>>58602519
somehow wack is more feature complete, performance friendly, and technically stable than some big name fangames out there, despite in theory just being a big pile of MS paint, duct tape, kludged coding, and that aforementioned miracle
if something taken seriously by its developers somehow manages to be outperformed by wack in multiple areas than something has gone very wrong in the serious game's development

bump

Have any fangames finished recently? Reborn was the last big one I remember and that was a couple years ago now.

>>58602828
Loads and loads of fangames have been finished since reborn. There are quite alot of fangames

>>58602828
Loads but I'm specifically going to shill Tectonic. Play Pokemon Tectonic.

>>58602922
Huh, actually looks pretty fucking neat. I'll give it a try, thank you anon.