Stretch it up to the Tower of Mega Evolution. That's 50% of the game

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>put all the best and sluttiest clothes for the femc in the second boutique
>make you go through 1/3 of the entire game just to get there
Diabolical

>>58589389
For me it's specifically route 9 into the cave. That section is incredibly frustrating. I don't know why the gap between the first and second gym is so wide. You can easily take as long there as you would getting badges 5-8.

>>58589405
I'm just baffled why the cave was completely hallways because they had real dungeons later on in the game anyway. The 3D showcases really were the biggest examples of anti-fun in the game

>>58589416
People like to praise the regional dex of these games, which I do think is a stronger aspect of them. However, the encounter weighting in the routes is the absolute fucking worst. Everything is essentially at the same level, and they shove 8 pokemon into each table.
Trying to fill out your dex in a lot of these routes is deceptively frustrating.

A kalos 10% is a hoenn 1%

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Really? I think the beginning of the game is probably the best part, especially with how the space is between the first gym and the second gym.

>>58589497
It just feels really unbalanced. After getting the first badge you have to:
>go to lumiose
>battle the professor, get KANTOOOO starter
>go through route 5
>deal with snorlax
>do the palace shit
>go through the short cave
>go down the cliffs
>go to route 9
>ride rhydon
>go through glimmering cave
>finally go to cyllage
Through this, the levels of wild encounters and trainers aren't increasing much, so your party isn't really progressing. I've also noticed that of the pokemon you have access to, anything that isn't a route 1 shitmon or bug mon evolves relatively late, so almost nothing is happening.

It just doesn't feel great for me, I would have put gym two before the rhydon personally. Best analogy I can make is the stretch in hoenn between getting the petalburg badge and reaching fortree, but about doubled.
I am glad they put the daycare and berry farm where they did though, at least there's something you can get out of the time spent there.

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Red is where 90% of BW2 playthroughs die

Red is where 90% of HGSs playthroughs die

>>58589552
kek

>>58589497
Early game pacing honestly might not even have Gyms. It feels almost like a complete afterthought and the first encounter with Team Flare also feels like it was put in the game so they don't introduce them after Gym 3. Tons of the early game feels incredibly arbitrary to the Pokemon formula which would be fine if XY broke the formula but it doesn't, it just sort of wastes your time to hype up Mega Evolution until you get into the actual Pokemon game

I remember first playing the game and hating the early game but having more fun hitting the traditional beats after getting my Mega Shillcario before I was immensely disappointed that I wouldn't be able to even use the Mega I wanted to before the post-game. I figured the game would at least have a meaty post-game adventure to make up for it like DPPl or BW but that's where the final disappointment set in

>>58589597
>Early game pacing honestly might not even have Gyms
why

>>58589611
Because it's hyperfixated on your budding friendship and the adventure of capturing Pokemon for your dex. Viola and Grant feel like actual bumps in the road that just happen to exist and are given zero fanfare. The only reason Viola has any more relevance than Grant is because her sister is blocking progression and forces the EXP Shit on you. There's a reason both were forgotten nearly instantly by the fanbase

The game picks up around Route 10 but then its pacing is way too fast afterwards. After such an arduously slow early game, only ones I found worse were Sun and Sword, the game wanted to be over with itself

Having a weak early game is catastrophic in pokemon. If badges 4-8 kinda suck it matters less, because at least you have access to more features and have more autonomy, so you can choose to do your own thing
Early game, you can't even fast travel, you're hard limited about what you can choose to do, so feeling "stuck" early is 10x worse. A bad post game is also detrimental, because in general, you spend most of a playthrough in the post game, unless you drop it at credits.

That's just my opinion tho

>>58589632
>Because it's hyperfixated on your budding friendship and the adventure of capturing Pokemon for your dex
that's every pokemon game

>The game picks up around Route 10 but then its pacing is way too fast afterwards
it's still slower pacing than BW

I remember back when I first bought the game I was stuck in the route with the Daycare and Maison cause I kept breeding mons and grinding on the Maison, took me like 3 months to move on from there for some reason.

>>58589545
trying way too hard yawnie

>>58589663
Not really. The tutorials in BW2 are far more obnoxious than anything in XY.

>>58589633
Most Pokemon games have a weak early game usually for different reasons. The only ones I find myself enjoying the pace in are Kanto and Johto. If Ralts wasn't early game in Hoenn I absolutely would not even be able to put up with the early game in the slightest. Sinnoh's got probably some of the strongest available mons early game but falls off fast in DP and keeps consistent in Platinum where the dex expansion makes for an objectively better midgame than most Pokemon games

When I put it like this, it seems early games becoming boring and shit truly becomes a problem after Sinnoh

>>58589640
I didn't bring up BW, three bullets

>>58589552
Well yeah the run is over after the final boss

>>58589680
The run is over after you have a living dex.

>>58589671
>I didn't bring up BW,
but you agree BW has bad pacing, correct?

>>58589683
based

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>>58589684
Only if you agree XY didn't improve shit

>>58589640
?????? Yeah no, as someone who recently played both it certainly didn’t feel like bw’s pace was fast, if anything it felt kinda slow at points.

>>58589693
BW:
8 gyms+E4 in 10 routes
XY:
5 gyms+E4 in 10 routes

dunno dude, just by doing simple math, it seems that XY's pacing is less rushed

>>58589697
>it certainly didn’t feel like bw’s pace was fast
why

>>58589545
thanks for admitting defeat

I hate when /vp/ does this, takes my favorite parts of games and goes "UHHH WHERE GYM? WHERE CUTSCENE?"
Sevii, early Kalos, middle of Hoenn are peak.

>>58589704
thanks for admitting defeat

>>58589709
thanks for admitting defeat

>>58589706
I think most Pokemon fans are retarded

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this thread in a nutshell

>>58589706
>early Kalos
I like X & Y more than most people on this board, but let's be honest.

>>58589723
seems like he's right, because this is just another thread where no one can actually explain how Kalos is bad beyond bitching about things that are common to every Pokemon game but pretend it only applies to XY

>>58589706
>middle of Hoenn
I like RSE more than most people on this board, but let's be honest.

The REAL flaw with this section of the game is them throwing a bunch of low catch rate mons and psuedos into routes while you at most have great balls

>>58589730
Early XY is just like the entirety of BW where they immediately interrupt you 90% of the time after entering a new area.

>>58589715
bottom is actually better though

>>58589703
Not what I'm talking about nigger, stop replying to me, I don't want to humor talking about games I don't like because you have a vendetta

>>58589706
Dude I wish I liked the Sevii Islands but exploring them is a pain in the ass. I feel like this franchise struggles with having an idea of what to do with Pokemon that isn't relying on the exhausted Gym Structure. I liked Sun for what it's worth, but it's not a good game to replay in the slightest. No Switch Pokemon game has looked actually worth playing so I'm mostly stuck talking about the older ones

>>58589750
>I liked Sun for what it's worth, but it's not a good game to replay in the slightest
Moon somehow is my longest play time in a save at fucking 600 hours, because I was in high school at the time and spent about 20 hours a week on a bus either going to/from school or to extracurricular events

600 hours, what the fuck was I even doing there

>>58589552
>>58589680
>>58589683
The run is over once you get the open level Factory gold print.

>>58589730
Yawnie, we already know your opinion. We know you are severely autistic. We know that BW is bad and XY is good. Why do you still post?

>>58589771
Run is over after you win the VGC Worlds title.

>>58589774
Run is over after you're the head director of a mainline Pokémon title.

>>58589715
it’s more world to explore and more plot opportunities idk what you want from me

>>58589776
Run is over after you own the majority of Nintendo, Gamefreak and Creatures.

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>>58589761
I feel like the games we poured the most time into were the ones where we just had the most downtime to pour into. Pokemon games, good or bad, are fun to just fuck around and do stupid shit in. Breeding especially inflates the time spent in-game. Sometimes we just leave the game on for extended periods of time actually doing nothing

Rushing front-to-back doesn't really do the experience justice. It becomes extremely noticeable when a game that clearly is meant to feel like a fuller experience is missing key moments. Honestly even if SM was heavily cut down from what it was supposed to be, it doesn't really feel like it's missing key moments. The franchise could benefit more from experimenting like that instead of doing exhausted Gym shit at this point. Legends is a good approximation of this idea, but Z-A had to fuck it up by skimming on the dex and maps anyway

>>58589539
>>58589497
I remember being disappointed after this route because the rest of the game was closer in scope to a normal Pokemon game. I thoight XY’s map was going to be massive.

>>58589761
breeding probably. what a shit ass mechanic

>>58589771
you can't mash A through that so it's impossible for 99.9% of pokeniggers

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>only 600

>>58589796
I think SM shines for me in how much they tweak the base formula, though I know people will be mixed on the outcome.
When those games came out, I learned about SOS chaining and I loved that mechanic. Never shiny hunted with it, I just found it entertaining

>>58589807
I looked at the save recently, and it seems I was spending most of it in the battle tree doing doubles. I had a sand team with a galvanize explosion a-golem

>>58589774
>>58589776
>>58589785
now we know who the salty shitposting faggots are kek

>>58589810
>battle tree doing doubles
oh ok that's more reasonable. but if you were doing it for 20 hours a week on the bus by yourself i'd think you were some autistic sped

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>>58589715
>still posting this strawman when we know from the teraleaks there was in fact a postgame area that was cut

>>58589816
>if you were doing it for 20 hours a week on the bus by yourself i'd think you were some autistic sped
20 is an estimate, my daily bus ride was about an hour either direction, the sports stuff depended on the destination. There was also stuff like downtime while I was at events.
We didn't have good cell service in idaho until I was basically in college so there was almost nothing else to do.

>>58589829
unfortunate. at least it's better than doing meth

>>58589833
Basically. As a high school kid in idaho, you either are outdoorsy and do activities or you're a druggie. It's a very boring environment for a teen, especially before you can drive

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>>58589746
except it isn't

>>58589828
>still posting this strawman when just by doing basic math we know that in fact XY has more content than BW

>>58590114
It seems a bit unfair the way bw2 is calculated, the pokestar stuff is a bit of a digression from normal play.
Not to shit on bw2, I just find pokestar annoying as opposed to the actual intro

>>58589710
thanks for admitting defeat

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>>58589715
Yeah, you tell 'em, sister! Back in OUR day we had to buy an entire separate home console and game just to get our postgame!

>>58589383
No way you guys got mad at this

>>58589780
>22 routes is more world to explore than 22 routes

>>58590114
This is nonsense.
If things like mandatory Hidden Grotto encounter count as tutorials, then I could just as easily argue XY's tutorial section doesn't end until you unlock megas in the mandatory Lucario battle 3 gyms in.

>>58589732
>>58590124
thanks for admitting defeat

>>58590209
thanks for admitting defeat

>>58590218
thanks for admitting defeat

>>58589383
kek that's where I stopped playing 12 years ago and never came back

>>58590226
A couple of days ago I decided to replay gen 6. I looked at both my X and Y save files, and they were both ~8 hours in with only one badge
I said to myself "anon, why the fuck were you taking so long to get past the second gym"
My new playthrough is now 10 hours in and I'm barely out of glimmering cave.

>>58590118
>BUT BW
I accept your concession.

>>58590231
So you think BW is also unfinished? I guess that's fair desu

>>58590256
Well duh it dexcut Pikachu.

>>58590256
Every single Pokemon game is objectively "unfinished" if it has any instance of scrapped or lessened scope content, if this is the logic we're running on.
Even god emperor gen 1 is unfinished dogshit because they cut Gorochu, for example.

>>58590256
>So you think [something nobody said]
I accept your concession.

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It's funny dogshit regions like Hoenn and Kalos are the ones that require supposed "fans" needing to shit all over other games just to put theirs up. Kanto, Johto, Sinnoh, Alola and even Paldeafags don't do this

>>58590415
You just did that doebeit.

>>58589771
The run is never over

>>58590415
But every region fan shits on other games.
Kantofags hate eveyone, Johtofags hate everyone, Sinnohfags hate everyone, Unovafags hate everyone, Alolafags hate everyone, Galarfags hate everyone, Hisuifags hate everyone, Paldeafags hate everyone, and come next year, Gaiafags will hate everyone.

>>58590452
sinnohfags and unovafags are bros

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>>58590452
>Johtofags hate everyone
What makes you think this?

>>58590466
No they aren't? Sinnohfags have been seething over Unovafags ever since Arceus, which showed more reverence to Unova than it did Sinnoh, despite being a game that takes place in Ye Olde Hisui, AKA Sinnoh before Sinnoh.

>>58589383
nuzlocke?

>>58590267
You implied it, when you complained about a game with more content than BW being unfinished.

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>>58590466
Johto and Sinnoh fans have a closer kinship, especially with the consistent cross-references between each other. It's hilarious because Hoenn and Kanto are complete fucking opposites despite also having this relationship. Unova is their third wheel baby brother, you like it or you don't, but it's only considered "peak Pokemon" in that it's on the same console as Gen IV, the game that revived a larger interest in the franchise after the GBA snuffed part of it

If Hoenn didn't rape Kalos, they probably could've had something special but instead we get unfinished games that were used to prop up Hoenn. Sad, parasitic relationship

>people still replying to the most obvious 'no u' bait under the sun
if you people stopping giving him attention he would have offed himself by now

>>58590477
I never see this. I think you’re making it up.

>>58590466
I consider myself a gen 1-4 fag. Im pretty chill everyone but admittedly ive taken a signifigant dislike towards kalosperms. As for games, I hate gen 7 and gen 8

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>>58590572
It's PLAss bait. Some negroids hate PLA for not being a Platinum Remake, so they like to pretend that PLA props up Unova on a pedestal and doesn't give any regional replacements for Sinnohmons (except Sneasel)

But real Sinnohchads just go two cakes since Platinum is fine the way it is and PLA expands on its lore in really cool ways. Masuda isn't responsible for the reason people like Sinnoh as proven with DP's ineptitude and BDSP's complete failure to satisfy literally fucking anybody. I bet so many other generations would kill to have their lore expanded the way PLA does since otherwise you just get half-assed remakes like FRLG, ORAS or LGPE or a half-assed sequel like Z-A. I have issues with B2W2 as a sequel, but Z-A is more egregious

>>58589771
This made catchniggers seethe despite actually being a part of the game. They are worse than the literal campaignshitters of Pokemon

>>58590572
It's universally agreed upon that sinnoh mons have no reason to have gotten any new forms in PLA. It's their home region after all, although GF could've reconned some forms, I'm glad they didn't. Anon is baiting or just confused with the fact that sinnohfags wanting more attention for some of their other mons = seething. Because they are right, their starters have gotten nothing and should've absolutely have gotten a mega or something like the others. But its more indication that they will absolutely be getting something in Gen 10 given GF's refusal to split them up like they did to unova and johto trios.

If people had the choice they probably would've canned the extra megas for lucario, chomp and absol for the starters instead (I agree myself even though I would personally love to see them get 2nd megas)

>>58590488
Just because a game has a lot of content (which I’m ngl I don’t see how x and y has a lot of content) that doesn’t mean it’s not unfinished.

SV arguably has more content than XY yet it is extremely buggy and unfinished.

>>58590774
So you agree BW is more unfinished than XY. Cool.

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>>58590783
That’s literally not how it-

Wait a second! This is ragebait!

>>58589683
The run is over after you have sex.

Fixed it.

>Yet another genwar thread
Do your job janny

>>58590816
>game A is unfinished
>game B is game A but worse
>game B isn't unfinished because....um....uh....y-you're just baiting me!!!!
Yeah, ok.

>>58590867
Wasn't Gen War until someone brought up a different region

>>58590867
How is it a gen war thread?

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>>58589383
For me it's this.

>>58589715
The game probably would've been way more enjoyable if this was the case.

>>58590880
Having an opinion of a specific game is grounds for inciting a genwar, whether that opinion be positive, negative, or even neutral.
The only way you can be free of sin is to announce your love for the entire Pokemon franchise equally (branding you a GameFreak cocksucker) or announce your hate for the entire Pokemon franchise equally (branding you a retard who comes to a place full of Thing He Doesn't Like just so he can get mad and be full of disbelief that he's mad).

>>58590904
>The game probably would've been way more enjoyable if this was the case
True. Everyone knows games are better by being exactly the same but with more roadblocks and retarded time wasting gimmicks.

>>58590908
>>Having an opinion of a specific game is grounds for inciting a genwar, whether that opinion be positive, negative, or even neutral.
I don't even dislike these games, I made the thread because I'm playing X right now and wanted to bitch

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>>58590910
>more roadblocks and retarded time wasting gimmicks.
...You mean incentives? For beating the game and being allowed to do whatever you want afterwards?

>>58590920
Why can't those things be before the credits roll? When I beat the game, I'm either going to stop playing it, or want to fixate my time and attention on PVP, the only viable source of genuinely difficult challenge, because GameFreak can't code competent AI for shit.

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>>58590913
That's why your thread has been a much more enjoyable experience than the usual XY thread which are just bait for someone to cry about BW. There has been some actual discussion in here

Another XY oddity is the fact you never battle with these idiots at any point. Did they just forget? Their bios are some of the smallest out of the Teraleak (they aren't even separated) and apparently were modeled after Latios and Latias but they don't do anything with them the entire game. You at least fight Sycamore at one point

>>58590930
Because the Pokémon formula for a story is so shit that it's genuinely impossible for me to enjoy anything happening in the mid-to-late game without it being taken out of the main game entirely. Once I get to the area I marked red, that's when my brain usually checks out and it doesn't come back in until Geosenge gets destroyed, and then it immediately checks out again after I beat Lysandre until I get to the Pokémon League.

>>58590944
It doesn't help the usual formula for Pokemon games is running two completely different storylines at once. It's weird that out of all of Masuda's games that care so much about what Evil Teams are doing, beating the main antagonist of the game has never been when the credits roll. You have to beat some irrelevant nepohire to get credits

But even then at least Lance, Steven and Cynthia help you deal with the main antagonists at points. Diantha legitimately disappears entirely. Why is she the final boss?

>>58590943
>There has been some actual discussion in here
I'm sort of experiencing a personal pokemon renaissance. I've had an opportunity to actually replay some games for the first time in many years, so it's a mix of nostalgia and fresh perspective.
Bitching about shit is part of how I wrap my head around it.

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>>58590958
I replayed most of Y a few months back out of curiosity and it's kind of baffling how little of the game there is to chew on. Even replaying without the EXP Share the game genuinely feels like it just forgets to include shit to do in routes to keep you at the right level

The pace of the story is complete nonsense, it'll bring up things hours before they're relevant as foreshadowing but the focus doesn't feel like it's letting you linger on what's going on. You meet AZ a grand total of once before he's kidnapped and it feels less like the game was foreshadowing his relevance and more that it just forgot to inform you on the fact you should care about the tall man. All of his backstory is just dumped on you in Lysandre Labs in a completely optional library. At least Sinnoh makes effort to have a proper individual building that encourages you to read everything. Even then AZ just goes and explains to you everything immediately afterward and expects that to be the reason his encounter with Floette in the ending is a heartwarming reunion instead of being a confused inclusion

Now people wanna blame it on Masuda being kicked out of the director's chair for the reason the game feels scuffed but honestly I feel like the adherence to needing the game out early in the 3DS' lifespan genuinely hurt it more. 3D games are just harder to develop than 2D games, Game Freak weren't prepared for that. XY was sacrificed for ORAS and SM which isn't fair to that game at all. Even Z-A feels completely compromised like they didn't give a shit about Kalos when making it

>>58591002
It's genuinely remarkable how bad Game Freak is at first entries for new hardware
>DP engine is glacial, plat does a lot in this regard but it's not anything sane until HGSS
>DSi transition actually was fine but that's hardly unexpected
>X and Y are demo reels for other games
>SwSh is unplayable without the DLC
Consistently, the worst titles in the franchise are on new hardware. It's not entirely unexpected, but I'm shocked that the issues go beyond technical problems and into design itself.

Part of my process with replaying games has been to try and find how to enjoy them, and to kind of meet them on their own level. That's why I've been trying to fill dexes for each. I find that pokedex completion is a good vector for actually playing the game thoroughly

>>58589405
>I don't know why the gap between the first and second gym is so wide. You can easily take as long there as you would getting badges 5-8.
i unironically want a pokemon game where the gap between every badge is as wide as kalos badges 1 and 2
i replayed x recently and that portion of the game was really fun

>>58591045
A big reason I'm jaded with it is because I'm trying to fill my dex, and there are so many annoying encounters.
I spent 3.5 hours on route 6, and I haven't seen a single doduo or abra, despite them being 15% of the table. I'm out here trying to catch shit in great balls like a faggot too

>>58590221
thanks for admitting defeat

>>58591002
>Even replaying without the EXP Share the game genuinely feels like it just forgets to include shit to do in routes to keep you at the right level
like every pokemon game?
>it'll bring up things hours before they're relevant as foreshadowing
like every pokemon game?
>At least Sinnoh makes effort to have a proper individual building that encourages you to read everything
like lysandre labs?
>but honestly I feel like the adherence to needing the game out early in the 3DS' lifespan genuinely hurt it more
or it's just exactly like all of masuda's other games and you're just a retard with inconsistent standards.

>noooo guys you see le sages blocking you at the castle even though they did literally nothing the whole game is peak writing on a totally different level trust me guys

>>58591054
I feel like the game is less about dex completion and more about tempting you to use mons that have never really been that accessible before. My Y replay was the first time I legitimately used a Rhydon. It gives you choice paralysis and asks you to make decisions on the fly instead of planning around them because actively going after specific mons is practically an impossibility. I tried using a Glaceon and it really was just an Eevee run until Badge 6. Meanwhile my first Y playthrough I was jumped by a Hydreigon on Victory Road

It's such a chaotic game with no real planning or decision making. Especially thanks to EXP Share keeping you 10 levels above the competition

>>58591029
>>SwSh is unplayable without the DLC
First of all it's SS thank you very much
Second Galar is unplayable regardless. Absolutely irredeemable region and the fact that Legends Galar is probably next really grinds my gears
Only reason to play SS is for OP legendaries for VGC

I like how they foreshadowed team plasma being evil by having them kick a munna for no reason

truly the magnum opus of the series

>>58591093
I've noticed that in my living dex playthroughs, I tend to be a lot more flexible with team building. I have a lot more options just be virtue of what I'm doing, and it's easier to experiment within that.
Muk has become an S tier pokemon for me, because sticky hold is absolutely vital for making fishing not destroy your sanity.

>>58589383
Played it all the way through only once, and every time afterwards I always stop around that one desert area.

>>58589383
The game really does drop off after the third Gym.

>>58589383
I put like 200 hours into XY just trading online and in person, and breeding and training and whatnot and only got 6 badges. It was a lot of fun especially with the active online and threads on /v/ dedicated to trading friend codes and whatnot. I stopped because I got burnt out, basically, and didn't end up going back.

Recently because of Kalos in ZA I wanted to go back, and checked my save. It was in Dendemille town which I barely remembered cause it was one of the last things I did. When I loaded up my save after not touching it for almost a decade I thought how charming the place is and how nice the routes around it are, I definitely remembered how they were filled with fallen leaves the last time I played.

I'm pretty sure I'm gonna back up my save and play Y fresh with a difficulty romhack.

>>58591145
No it doesn't.

>>58591113
I've been really wanting to do a Living Dex at some point but most games I just don't have the patience for putting up with catching certain mons. I feel like the only one I might genuinely consider is Gen II, especially with the lack of Mythicals in that game. I'm still so baffled how FRLG made it more difficult to fill the dex than fucking RBY. But I'll have to actually make the time to even consider a project like that in the first place

>>58591145
Again, I don't really know why the game has Gyms to begin with. I don't think people would notice the game's pacing if it didn't have numbered progression gates like previous games. The only reason the first couple hours feel so long is because they keep ping-ponging you back and forth in the same couple routes until you're ready to progress

If the game ended with beating Lysandre and being crowned Hero of Kalos with the Emma post-game being cleaning up Flare scraps I think people would look more fondly on the game but instead it ends with the most literally who Champion in the franchise

>>58591164
holy shit Iris is in XY?

>>58591164
>I'm still so baffled how FRLG made it more difficult to fill the dex than fucking RBY. But I'll have to actually make the time to even consider a project like that in the first place
FireRed is actually really quick to get through, the only really annoying bit is getting magmar as far as finishing the regional dex. You have to beat leafgreen up through blaine.
t. Have one dragonair to level up and then I'm done

I will amend this by saying that breeding in fire red is nauseating, because you don't have flame body, and four island is useless for cranking out egg cycles. I ended up having to use a teleport mon so that I could easily go from cycling road back.

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>>58591184
It's weird they got it right at least twice in a row with Johto and Hoenn in regards to breeding but then fucked it up hardcore with the Sevii Islands by making a fucking small ass square be the breeding island. Like genuinely how do you think this is acceptable? Sevii Islands in general are "babby's first RPG Maker maps" but this one actually feels like an insult like "Gen I didn't have breeding in it, we're putting it specifically as the first unlockable post-game island and making it as inconvenient as possible" for daring to expect future mechanics in a Gen I remake despite the fact Magneton is part-Steel

Yawnie reminds of chase the hedgehog from deviantart.

>>58591210
The annoying thing about four island is that if they'd just made you able to fly to seven island, it wouldn't be that bad.
It's the combination of no hatch time reducing abilities alongside not being able to readily fast travel to a bikeable location.

Truthfully, the teleport workaround actually helps significantly, it's just not something I thought of until I was close to done. The kanto cycling road also has a great vs seeker target both at the beginning and end, so it's a passable spot to do some exp and cash grinding if you need to.

If you're willing to though, it's a lot faster to just trade shit to emerald and breed, or dupe with the battle tower glitch, but I get if people aren't fond of that.

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>>58591237
When you're duping there's almost no point to the grind. What's even more retarded is that they could've just retconned this place to let you breed Pokemon and it's not a bad back-and-forth route but no, that wasn't in Kanto. So it can't be in this fucking game

And the Sevii Islands in general not letting you fly between various chunks definitely hurts the appeal significantly. Makes the maps feel even more amateur and unsatisfying. Outside of Five Island, I feel nothing for these shitheap maps

>>58591251
>When you're duping there's almost no point to the grind
My reason for initially doing so was realizing that my firered cart was counterfeit, and could die any day, alongside not being able to migrate from it. I also use it to effectively give myself reusable TMs.
I also have the misfortune of my link cable being absolute garbage, so any trading expedition takes about 4 times as long as it otherwise should.
>>And the Sevii Islands in general not letting you fly between various chunks definitely hurts the appeal significantly.
It's a lot less noticeable before the postgame, but you really feel it thereafter.

>>58590816
You're finally getting how Yawnfag's "arguments" work.

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>>58589383
For me? It's here.

>>58591643
Lens wipes or isopropyl + a q tip will help the corrosion. Even if you can't see it, a thin oxide layer will prevent the game from being recognized

>>58590873
You're finally getting how Sagefag’s "arguments" work.

>>58591715
it takes a great deal of maturity to admit defeat. I'm proud of you.

>>58591522
it takes a great deal of maturity to admit defeat. I'm proud of you.

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>>58591775
hey man, I just wanted to thank you for admitting defeat. It saves the rest of us a lot of trouble. Maybe you're not so bad after all.

>>58591764
hey man, I just wanted to thank you for admitting defeat. It saves the rest of us a lot of trouble. Maybe you're not so bad after all.

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>>58591802
gimme a hug man

>>58590904
>filename
Lol'd and based.

>>58590477
nope, i like sinnoh and unova and still think plass was pathetic dogshit

>>58589828
Lol.

I finally reached route 10, I rushed to get the magnet pull nose pass I’ve been needing, only to have the route be rainy so I can’t use sweet scent
The game is trolling me and I can’t stop getting btfo

>>58589383
For a second, I thought you meant the trainer Red.

>>58592634
I found a shiny whismur. Best pokemon games ever created 11/10