>>58593806But they *are* themed after ultra beasts. It's just lusamine ordered her children to dress that way and dresses like pheromosa. The only one that probably doesn't fit is gladio but makes sense since he's the only one here who doesn't have his wardrobe controlled by lusamine.
>>58593806And hala too, didn't see him.
>>58593806It wasn't retarded. There is a definite correlation between designs.
>>58593806Lillie, Lusamine and Guzma were definitely intentional.
Kakui is Buzzswole not Gladion
Also Hau is Guzzlord, not Hala
>>58593825The early descriptions fueled a lot of the theories. Not only does Nihilego remind you of Lillie, one of the first things we learned about this Pokemon was this:>UB-01’s body is composed of a glass-like substance. However, it’s constantly changing shapes, never settling on one. While evidence of something like a survival instinct can be observed in UB-01, no one knows whether it has a will of its own or any emotions. It’s said that, for some reason, its movements resemble those of a young girl.
>>58593806it was in the concept they just rewrote the story near the end because Lusamine was to evil and they were rushing for the deadline
>>58593806Retarded is shit like saying Mallow is a generic Hawaiian girlThis was blatantly intentional design, whether it was a complete red herring or a cut concept
SM was full of schizo theories
Psychic, Dark and Fighting would become the new starter types during gen IV speculation.
When people theorized they were father and daughter. Obviously these 2 aren’t related, but weirdly, Penny being Peony’s daughter now makes the theorizing less retarded in retrospect.
>>58594062I remember the alola starters represent alchemy theory
>>58594066Because Marnie 0.5 was all about mommy issues so it was natural to assume Marnie would be about daddy issues
Lillie and Lusamine were 100% intentional.
>>58594065Given the time probably but GF eventually gave into that with gen 6 and later on (twice) when they swapped psychic for ghost.
>>58593806When Game Freak watched Kill la Kill and ripped Ragyo off to make Lusamine they also copied Life Fibers for the Ultra Beasts but then decided it was too on the nose to have human/alien hybrids.
Penny = Iono
I screencapped these smug dumbfucks for a whole year waiting for them to be btfo.
>>58593806People who kept pushing the idea of Leon’s matches being rigged so he always won.
>>58593806that four hour long Lockstin theory
>>58595057That was just Cynthiafag cope
>>58593806Alola theories were the most retarded things ever looking back. In hindsight, i could see where they were coming from, but even back then it was too much ti expect from GF
>>58595073>Cynthia out of nowhereI wonder who’s behind this post
>>58593806i dont see hala-guzzlordand gladion is necrozma
>>58595057According to mustard at least some were
I recall a lot of lore theorizing before SV.A lot of people theorized that Area Zero (back when all we had was a map showing a big hidden crater) was going to be the impact site of the Ultimate Weapon.
>>58595167No? Mustard’s League chairman is different than Rose’s
What came about the whole paradox pokemon thing? I remember theories that they were something, created from imagination??? But thar was before, I basically dropped off sv then so I never got the full lore
>>58593806>One of the Ultra Beasts. It’s unclear whether or not this Pokémon is sentient, but sometimes it can be observed behaving like a young girl.It's not retarded. Gamefreak didn't follow through
>>58594066Males more sense for Penny to be related to Peony
>>58593812>>58593825>>58593924>>58594044>>58595284It's okay to admit when you're wrong :)
>>58593806I dunno, even if never explicitly stated, it fits quite neatly into the final game's story that Lusamine is so obsessed with ultra beasts that part of her own getup mimics something she caught a glimpse of, and her way of "prettying up" her daughter is making her resemble another beast.Gladion is just an edgelord trying to hang with Team Skull, I'm pretty sure he's picking his own clothes and that leads to a vest with a wound motif, and the rest of his clothes are torn either because they were made that way and he thinks it's cool, or they got cut up while handling Type:Null. They don't especially resemble Buzzwole outside of colours.Guzma seems purely coincidental, it's a black-and-white with gold accents colour scheme, and Guzma seems intent on repping Team Skull with the pattern on the pants evoking crossbones and his bling being their insignia. Though Lusamine may have also subtly supported his tastes, saying "that looks good on you" while being reminded of Xurkitree or whatever.Not seeing it with Hala, dude's just fat.
>>58595156>out of nowhereWho do you think you're fooling?
>>58593806>retardedthis made perfect sense and was vindicated with lillie/lusamine/guzma in the games. Fan speculation (naturally) just took it further than it was in reality.
>>58595344>out of nowhere Yes
>>58595157>i dont see hala-guzzlordthey're just both fat and have yellow surrounding blue in their center mass, that's all
Lillie and lusamine were intentional. Idk about the others
>>58595363Whatever you say, cynthiaschizo
>>58595262Terapagos rather randomly has the power to create a mist that connects multiple points in time, that's why there were Pokémon from the past and the future in Area Zero during the first expedition hundreds of years ago and how the professor was able to use tera crystals to create a time machine to summon more.
>>58595383It’s ok Shaun no need to be embarrassed
There was a LOT of this crap in the lead-up to Sun and Moon. I think it was a combination of resentment over the Battle Frontier fermenting into misplaced hopium, Project Azoth planting the seeds of alchemy-related deepest lore in everyone's heads along with the sun and moon theming, and a lack of other shit to talk about because the discourse over the starter leaks was so ass.
>>58595421>Deus ex machina'dWhat a shame. The theories were kinda interesting but of course having a pokemon just randomly cause that is expected from hame freak
>>58593806The theories that they were all ultra beasts in disguise was a lot more interesting than what actually ended up happening
>>58595421>Terapagos rather randomly has the power to create a mist that connects multiple points in timeIm gonna guess like Hoopa it has an implicit connection to Arceus, probably one of the titans Arceus defeated
man, sun and moon leak season really was the best. black and white was ok too I guess but sun and moon's was really fun
>>58593815Similar colors (blue middle, yellow accents), Hala’s hair bun resembles Guzzlord’s three point head crest, Hala’s sandal prongs look similar to the shape of the yellow accents on Guzzlord’s legs/feet, Hala has an outstretched hand and you could say Guzzlord’s hands are outstretched too. All somewhat of a stretch, but I can see it.
>>58595441I also blame the “it all comes together” tagline from the trailer
>>58595298I know it’s pretty much confirmed and I’m not trying to disprove you, but it’s very un-Pokemon/anime in general for two related characters to look so different
>>58595007Brutal
>>58595181given ots geographical location that still could be the case but GF will never give us anything interesting, if any once we hit Galar remakes/legends they may give us something honting that the Kalosian war and the Eternal Night(?) are somehow related and how AZ was there too and how DA's Zygarde is canon and how his mega is also powered by residual energy from eternatus
>>58595636she's either adopted or got her looks from her mom while peonia took her dad's physical cualities... like an imverse Brock (Brock in the series looks completely different from his mom)
>>58595450that or like Celebi is part of Dialga's time squad for when Dialga feels lazy to do his job
>>58595057ironically would have made him a more interesting character as he is now he's just dry toast sprinkled with general Shonen protagonist quirksLeon is written too perfect and it makes him boring as shit, as least Cynthia had the pedolesbo memes
>>58593806Marnie = Some form of princess/queen in the bong region because of the way her hair line is shaved.
>>58595007How anyone thought the game would be about the past when the announcement trailer was literally using neon wireframes to build up Lumiose will forever baffle me
>>58593806It's funn how Lillie and lusamine are based off of the ultra beasts but not because they were secertly ultra beasts but that Lusamine was just obsessive so she dressed her kid up to look similar and herself.
>>58595299Lillie ditching the clothing her mom dresses her in to instead dress herself up and be her own person is quite literally part of the climax of the game, did you not play it?
>>58595625It all did come together though. We haven't had a pokemon game with all pokemon, moves, existing gimmicks at the time, and usable online since
>>58595824I see stellar terapagos as being too significant to just be one of Dialga's lackeys. Hoopa's abilities primarily revolve around manipulating space but its still considered to be a tier above the creation trio and I see the same being the case for terapagos
>>58596053>... Hoopa's abilities primarily revolve around manipulating space but its still considered to be a tier above the creation triothe moment GF implied this back then was the moment I said fuck it, lore doesnt matter
>>58595299I never said it wasn't. Just that it's not a retarded conclusion to draw to. The real problem is that people tend to delve too deep into things when GF almost always presents things in Pokemon at face value.
>>58595441I still believe that the cover trio are 100% themed after Anius, Spiritus, and Corpus (alchemy sun, moon, and aether/dark matter). The "lion devouring the sun" is just too on-the-nose for it not to be the case.It's just hard to say so nowadays because people associate the legendary theory with the stupid starter one.
>>58596393>stupid starterLitten literally has the brimstone symbol on its face. Popplio is very easily quicksilver with barely any manipulation. Only Rowlet is a bit hard to see as salt. They just abandoned the theme as they evolved, so it could have very likely been scrapped at some point.
>>58595181All things considered, Area Zero's whole deal turned to be more interesting than what the speculation came up with. Which is good, because it was the opposite for SM and it was pretty disappointing.
>people swore these weren't new forms and were just stylistic choices
>>58594995It's funny because they sort of did this in the anime with an OC hiki that turns out to be a famous streamer friend of Iono.
>>58594066I remember there being a fake leak about Marnie secretly being Galar's princess or something that sounded way better than what we got. That said, anything would be better than what we got.
>IT'S GOING TO EVOLVE INTO A SNAKE!God I fucking hated zodiacfags.
>>58596044I never said it didn't, anon...I'm saying that tagline was part of the retarded speculation and theories, heavily led by Lockstin
>>58596739this was hilarious. I miss zodiacfagging. It was fun. I'm still convinced that gamefreak started adhering to it in gen 3/4 and backed off in gen 9.
>>58596739>>58596975teraleak confirmed the zodiac theory and that they scrapped it for gen 9. it was supposed to be a dog originally
>>58597011>another dog again
>>58597011Uh oh...zodiacfags said Delphox was the dog
>>58596053I don't think Hoopa is superior to the Creation Trio.In the games, there's no indication of that. In the skies of Hoenn, Dialga and Palkia originate from a space-time distortion, not a ring. Even in Galar, Solgaleo/Lunala are the first Pokémon seen in underground raids and brought back all the other Legendary Pokémon; that doesn't make them superior to Dialga and Palkia.The Hoopa movie is just fanservice nonsense, so I won't take it into account.Palkia remains the master of space; it's its origin and has perfect control over it. Hoopa, on the other hand, mainly moves things through its rings, like a pseudo-teleportation through the manipulation of spatial dimensions such as hyperspace.Hoopa remains a 680 BST Pokémon.Then we tend to forget, but Palkia is this:> Palkia has the power to warp, destroy, and create space itself.source : https://legends.arceus.pokemon.com/en-us/pokemon/palkia/
>>58595421He's shaped like a dreamcatcher and the only time travel happens in a dream.
>>58593806Sylveon being a Bug or Flying type
>>58594190Lusamine dressed Lillie that way on purpose, because she was obsessed with Nihilego.The Pheromosa comparison is completely baseless. The only similarity is the long legs.
>>58598356You would've been retarded for assuming a new type.
>>58596739>le male alligator is called a bull and therefore it's the oxI'm glad it's over.
>>58594062We're starting to get used to the really schizophrenic theories and fanfictions that are based on nothing concrete, like Sacha's coma, the Chinese zodiac and the fire type, Regignosis and SV's imagination.
>>58595441tbf SM did introduce more sci-fi and conspiracy elements to Pokemon, like Lusamine building a fake Arceus in the Aether labs or people losing their memories to wormholes.
>>58598767anoooon... they presented a new eeveelution and said "gee, I wonder what type it is! we can't tell! this is SO mysterious!" and left it that way for a while... you'd be insane to think it wasn't a new type
>>58597011Where might I find that info? I don't not believe you, I just wanna see that because it's interesting and there might be some other fun tidbits surrounding it.
>>58593806This would've been kino
>>58593806The alola starters having midday and midnight forms like Lycanroc.
>>58595157>>58595369>both do sumo stances>Guzzlord's head shaped like Hala's topknot >crab claws come from Hala's Crabrawler
>>58596018>Game is called legends which makes people assume its in the past>Only form of speculation to go off of was to see what things from pla they would take and make staples of the legends seriesIt was the rational conclusion at the time.
>>58593806>>58593812>>58593815The teraleak more or less made it clear that they do plan things but then cut them, and it shows im strange ways. There probably was an intentional effort to make at least Lusamine, Lillie and Gladion reflect their 3 corrosponding UBs. I mean we literally saw just how much SwSh changed throughout its development, it literally changed titles and story 3 times. And then eventually scaled the story down and settled on SwSh. But the story started with a royal family theme which could've been kino
>>58595007Can't really blame them since the Pokemon community is pretty big on following patterns in general. But you can already see people doing it again with Legends Galar, saying it will be cool to see the Darkest Day in it. We already know this game is set 1000 years ago
>>58598670And arguably the hair and pose
Marshadow begin the third legendary due to his name begin trademarked early on in SM's hype cycle and also most fan designs depicting him as a dolphin.Also on the topic of trademarks in 2016: Gigareki (Which turned out to be related to Giga Wrecker which is an unrelated Game Freak project) and Roselia (Which was actually a name trademark for a japanese band and not the pokemon)
>>58598788could you imagine how kino it would be if it turned into an alligator/bull hybrid though? That would have been amazing
>>58595421I still don't really understand how Terapagos correlates to time travel and advanced AI.All we really know about it is that it can absorb and manipulate energy from all types and uses it to manipulate its environment. How thiss leads to time travel and robots, I have no idea. Doesn't help that the anime as usual seems to have its own lore going on.
>>58603212We never got a concrete official answer, but the Teraleak confirmed Terapagos (and by extensions, the Tera Crystals that influenced Area Zero and powered the Time Machine) operate on imagination bullshit.In fact, I don't know why people ever discredited imagination when we literally had a worldbuilding point of "people didn't believe Heath because of how insane his claims sounded, so when another expedition crew came down to Area Zero, doubtful of Heath and wanting to prove him wrong, they found literally nothing abnormal aside from the pre-existing crystals." That's literally Area Zero going dormant in response to their lack of imagination, and then whaddyaknow, soon as the Professor comes down and wants to use the crystals to create a time machine, weird shit starts happening again.
>>58593806Can I say that time travel vs imagination bullshit? Both ended up being better than it just being more multiverse crap.
>>58594062isn't this what they did in pokemon xenoverse? lol
>>58603280The discussion threads for Terapogos' powers were the funniest threads during the SV era
I remember people saying Ilima and Mina were supposed to be opposite typings.
