>>58643119
No Ash, no watch.

>>58643119
The fuck is a recollectible? Some toy presentation?

>>58643119
I would watch it but I can only put up with gag anime as an adult, and even then OPM S3 disappointed me beyond words can describe so I'm probably done with anime in general.

>>58643132
It's just machine mistranslation of RikoRoy (Liko and Roy's anime)

>filters browns into oblivion
I love GODrizons

>>58643119
Too many deviantart OCs. No focus on the game characters.

>>58643119
Had a chance for a new anime with an action adventure hook, but it has been just as filler as Ashslop. Turned Roy into shitty Ash clone with the most generic teem imaginable and made him the focus of the new season. Second half has been even less adventure/mystery focused and is just about the gang being jannies. Spinel is incredibly underwhelming as an antagonist, whereas Gibeon was an immortal cyborg schizo with a shiny Zygarde. Lack of Amethio. Lack of Sango. Ult is boring and annoying.

Pick any of these.

>>58643119
I remember when this new show first started, the third party merch like sticker albums and other shit started to use Liko's face in the products, but now it's OS Ash again, kek

>>58643119
the real problem is that it's outdated as fuck. Why are they doing a Blueberry Academy arc now when ZA released??? It should be full Kalos shilling

>>58643139
That wasn't an issue for 20+ years.

>>58643144
>as filler as Ashslop
There's barely any episode that doesn't move the plot forward in any way.

>>58643138
>filters browns
One of the main character is brown

>>58643119
No skirt no watch

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nips say that they don't understand the new characters. Satoshi just wanted to be the very best like no one ever was, but what the fuck do Liko and Roy want?

>>58643173
Lol, a random Ashfag openly admitting he's incapable of comprehending the most basic of anime plotlines. Fucking wild.

>>58643173
Ash doesn't even want that anymore, he wants to befriend all pokemon.
Liko wants to understand the feelings of pokemon as she said in the episode where she caught Hatenna.
Roy wants to be a trainer strong enough to earn Rayquaza's respect.

They're all very basic characters but I guess they're too complex for ashfags.

>>58643139
want to watch the game characters? Play the games

>>58643119
Turns out, the anime writers aren't all that good after all as exemplified by their atrocious writing decisions for the last 2 decades and literally needs the games' script as a good basis for their stories.

Liko is sexy though.

>>58643194
Horizon started in 2023, its barely 2 years old.

>>58643119
They should have just killed off the Ashime all together no one gives a single shit about this anymore

Too story-focused. Kids watch Pokemon to see Pokemon be cute/cool/funny. Likonime cares more about telling its generic story with OCs that audiences have no attachment to. If you tune in to a random episode of Liko, you're likely in the middle of some arc. Unless you've been following it weekly, it's too confusing to enjoy very much.
The Ashime was more episodic and focused way more on the Pokemon themselves. Therefore kids could jump in at any time and still be entertained. The fact that the Ashime is like 80% filler worked to its benefit in this respect.

>>58643197
bad writing has gone for over 25 years

>>58643199
That's literally what they did.

>>58643173
Ashfags seem incapable of grasping the idea that characters now have larger story-driven motivations, not retarded "I want to be Top X" or "I want to collect X ribbons/badgets/farts". Are people so brain-damaged that they're incapable of understanding a character unless the show tells them in every episode that their boy wants to be a Pokemon Master or something? That's fucking embarrassing
.

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Believe in DotLiko.

>>58643206
We only had writers for 2.5 years. Its humanly impossible to produce bad writing more than the time you had been writing, even for the worst writers.
>>58643205
If you were a kid(or an ashfag which are more retarded) you then fall for the badge bait.

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>>58643194
Ashnime had good writing during its decades, like when Lorelei said something inspiring to Ash, then Ash repeated the same words to Serena, and later Serena said the same thing to Koharu.

>>58643205
>Unless you've been following it weekly, it's too confusing to enjoy very much.
That's the idea no? This is not the 90s where you'd catch the TV randomly and discover a series. You're supposed to follow from episode 1 in whatever stream service you have.

That said I discovered The Last Airbender by picking a random mid season episode on TV and still got engaged to search and watch from start.Granted, ATLA is a masterpiece.

Horizons is a mid to decent series and while it has some execution failures, Ashfags hate it for the wrong reasons and what they really want is far inferior

The fundamental problem with Horizons discussions is that they always lean towards "Horizons is boring and shit!!!!", usually propagated by bitter Ash fans who will never, ever recognize any part of the show as decent or "Horizons is interesting and peak!!!" usually propagated by bitter Ash haters who deem the new anime flawless by default just because it doesn't feature Ash. There are very few genuine discussions of the show. People are too biased and emotional to properly review this series.

>>58643241
You've no idea what writing is.

>>58643248
>"Horizons is interesting and peak!!!" usually propagated by bitter Ash haters who deem the new anime flawless by default just because it doesn't feature Ash
No one says this.

>>58643243
>You're supposed to follow from episode 1 in whatever stream service you have.
Sure, that's the idea. But Pokemon's target audience is pre-pubescent children with short attention spans. I'm not sure if very many of them watch 22-minute shows from start to finish like adults do.
Also, I'm not saying that makes HZ bad, but it explains why it's not very popular.

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>>58643119
One OC was enough; you could tell Liko's story as she travels through Paldea and interacts with the game characters, taking on Juliana's role. Instead, you give me an OC with OC friends, who travels with even more OCs, where they have to investigate a legendary OC, fighting villainous OCs. At this point, create your own anime and don't use Pokémon as an excuse to tell your OC's story, as if that's all you want.

This is why Burst failed. The author only wanted to talk about his MC and his generic hero's journey, but didn't give a damn about the Pokémon, leaving them as mere power sources in a POKEMON MANGA!

>>58643302
So it failed because it was the same as the ashnime? gotcha

>>58643119
Refusing to evolve Pokemon.
Not focusing on the pokemon growing and evolving.
Too much human drama.
Power levels are too strong since the beginning with a bunch of legendaries killing any mystery.
At least they sort of fixed the Goh issue were catches felt meaningless to an extent but the lack of focus on the pokemon in a pokemon show is depressing.

It often feels that most of the new trainers or pokemon of the day characters are cosplaying a pokemon rather than befriending it like previous trainer clases or trainer of the day did.

Call me crazy but the anime and games often feel that they treat pokemon as accessories rather than they our thing.

>>58643312
>Refusing to evolve Pokemon.
>Not focusing on the pokemon growing and evolving.
Blatant lies
>Power levels are too strong since the beginning with a bunch of legendaries killing any mystery.
Introducing strong characters from the begining is the most common trope ever.

>>58643312
>Refusing to evolve Pokemon.
So far we've gotten
>Hatenna -> Hattrem
>Sprigatito -> Floragato -> Meowscarada
>Fuecoco -> Crocalor
>Wattrel -> Kilowattrel
>Tinkatink -> Tinkatuff -> Tinkaton
>Quaxly -> Quaxwell
Also Charcadet and Gimmighoul are pretty much confirmed to evolve so that's 10 evolutions (could be more later on if Crocalor and Hattrem evolve)

During XY we also saw 10 evolutions in the main cast

>>58643173
Liko wants to understand and befriend every pokémon (pretty much the same Ash said a pokémon master was in the final episode of his anime)
Roy wants to become a powerful trainer worthy of being acknowledged by the Black Rayquaza and become a legendary explorer like Lucius

They say it pretty early in the series...

>>58643173
>Satoshi just wanted [vague goal that could mean anything as an excuse to keep the show going for 20 years as you change the goal]

>>58643330
kek

>>58643276
I get you. In that case I guess those youtube shorts are their thing.
If this is not attractive for anyone, maybe the ashnime should have died without any replacement and focus in youtube shorts, I don't know. Though this says a lot about those 30 year old stunted ashfags.
Not that they actually care about Paldean Wings etc

.>>58643302
> OC OC OC OC OC OC
it's funny how they throw this like it means anything, with the little fleshing out Pokémon historically gave to game NPCs, literally every character ever in Pokémon history has been an """OC""" with a familiar skin. Misty's fear of bugs is OC, Brock's horniness is OC. Ash's entire design is 90% OC with barely any trace of Red and none of the personality. Do these retards think all of this is somehow more "canon" than Liko/Roy/Dot?

If you want to follow the game characters' arcs play the games.

>>58643173
people really underestimate how episodic series are easier for kids to understand. I didn't need to watch pokemon from episode 1 as a kid to understand wtf was going on. I just knew there was Ash, Pikachu, and whoever his companions were for that season

>>58643442
No one cares about your fanfictions Fagmon. Get back to searching for a job than spamming your SI fantasies.

>>58643460
Why did Team Rocket want Pikachu so much?

>>58643192
>Liko wants to understand the feelings of pokemon as she said in the episode where she caught Hatenna.
shojo shit for subhumans.
>Roy wants to be a trainer strong enough to earn Rayquaza's respect.
That sounds stupid and boring; it only confirms that Roy really is a nigger.

>>58643468
dat pikachu was strong yo

>>58643462
This is the truth Moot and you should know this well if you have been to /padt/. Long running anime remain long running by using the popularity of their core characters. if core characters are removed and replaced with boring uninterest OC then no amount of storyline can keep the show running.

Pokemon Horizons and Boruto are the walking proof of that.

>>58643468
Their ego could not handle that a mere Pikachu spoiled their first big heist so they deluded into thinking that Pikachu to be something special.

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>>58643263
>You've no idea what writing is.
What I posted has cohesion, character development, narrative cycles, continuity, structural payoff, echo effect, long-term structural planning, etc... which are all part of what makes a writing good. And those screenshots are from the beginning, middle, and end of Ashnime, which means it remained consistent for 25 years. Meanwhile Liko writers can't even remember that Liko can use more than one mon

>>58643510
This week's episode is about Hattrem, one of Liko's Pokemon? Explicitly about her involvement?

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>>58643119
If they made this brat the protagonist instead they would be swimming in money and ratings

>>58643518
Here is the question, what is even the point of evolving her Hattrem ? What is she even going to do with Hattrem? She does not even has a goal! If she only had her Meowscarada for the entirety of Horizon then it would have changed absolutely nothing.

>>58643542
The grown ups are talking Famon, keep your tantrums to yourself.

>>58643472
>shojo shit for subhumans.
Its a goal, which you complained of her not having
>That sounds stupid and boring
Its pretty much what you assumed ash was trying to do.

>>58643475
Said where?

>>58643498
What if I missed the episode of the "Big heist"?

>>58643510
Took you that long to google those words?

Liko is boring

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Needs more cool fights and progression
Yajima was our hero

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>>58643553
>Took you that long to google those words?
can you refute them?

>>58643568
But that's shonen and shonen bad remember?

>>58643193
Well yeah, they're doing that, that's why Horizon is flopping

>>58643576
Yeah, the same way you've refuted ours all the time.
You haven't watched since Johto.

>>58643460
This post only makes sense if you think pokemon is the only anime children watch, especially Japanese children

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>Thread derails into /pol/shit and attracting the two lolcows taking swings at each other or dragging out shit for attention
So aside from one of the ESLs getting so anal about the Ashnime being overthat he got anons permabanned for not cocksucking his fantasies and being singlehandedly the main reason why Ashnime discussion took a nosedive on 4chan, the anime discussion is straight up fucked? New mega form got shown but you faggots would rather repeat the same talking points from years ago? Aside from the suspicious turbofagging to get a rise from one of the mentioned lolcows, what is the goal?

>>58643399
No one replied to this post because it says the truths that the local manchildren refuse to admit and will continue to do. Hilarious

It's not doing well because it's weird, cheaply produced, and overly reliant on week-to-week continuity. It doesn't look good from the outside, and only retains fans who have convinced themselves that the series is really gonna end in a cool way. Simple is better. It's not about Liko vs Ash, it's just execution.

>>58643600
Ashfags tend to be like that.
They do mention Conan, Dragon ball or Doraemon. They seemingly think those are magic words that win every argument.

>>58643601
>what is the goal?
Discussing Horizons.

>>58643614
Liko could do the same. Why does it have to be Ash?

>>58643614
https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/search/text/bHVuUhqlMVw/

>>58643627
>Loser is repeating his fanfictions for over two years now
PPFFFF

>>58643627
Oh brother that explains the Self-insert cringe the post is emitting.

>>58643550
>semi-canon lesbian shipping
Liko and Dot?

>>58643601
>New mega form got shown
I mean, ignoring the schizoposting... technically we're not supposed to know zeraora was related in any fashion to the anime. And who knows if it still is, since the six heroes have changed a lot going onto the final product. So until further notice mega zeraora isn't really an anime related topic

>>58643624
Because their complaints have nothing to do with the show's actual quality nor content.

Too much OC shit. Nobody cares about the stuff that isn't canon to the games

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>>58643627
>Swaps between Serena and Sango in a desperate attempt to get cocksucked by their respective fans

>>58643627
This is fucking embarrassing and justifies all the mockery.

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Notice how Yugioh doesn't have this problem.

>>58643656
Too late >>58643627
Consider your rant discarded.

>>58643656
>the anime tried to build a connection between Sango and Roy by making her his nemesis
That didn't happen.

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>the anime tried to build a connection between Sango and Roy

>>58643663
You're wasting your time on a schizo who will attempt to get you banned for not bootlicking his tantrums.

>>58643641
Sure sounds like it.
>>58643656
And I don't give a damn about Ash. Now what? What difference does it really make?

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Say what you will about him but it's rather amazing that one Ash schizo is so annoying that he's has made at least a handful of anons gas mediocre ass Horizons up for years on pure spite.

>>58643697
The only schizo here is you pushing that shit.

>>58643697
Shut up Famon

>>58643119
It clearly failed to retain its audience. Many people gave the series a chance, but neither the story, the characters, nor the dialogue are very interesting. Some anons are saying that Horizons suffers from adding OCs, but the first season of the Ashnime did the same thing and was a success; no one complained that the anime was different from the games. But to pull off a move like that, you need actual talent (ahem, Takeshi Shudo).

So unless the people in charge of Horizons bother to hire competent writers, they should play it safe and exploit the resources the game provides. Basically, what >>58643157 said. It's as easy as riding the hype wave that comes with every release. Surely many people who played ZA expect the anime to delve into certain characters, stories or Pokemon. They just need to do a little market research on what aspects the kids who played ZA found interesting. It's pure fanservice, but it's the only thing that could save the anime (bringing Ash back would be novel for a couple of days, but in the long run it would make the situation worse)

>>58643697
>Schizo gets anons banned
>Completely derails Paldean Wind threads and various Poketoon one-offs out of spite
>Starts shit between waifu generals for attention
>But lets make it about others.
Least dishonest poster.

Man, you can find them samefagging fags from reddit here

>>58643550
Liko Dot is nowhere to be canon

The whole Horizons discourse can be summarized as: new anipoke fans trying to enjoy their new anipoke vs. old anipoke fans trying to trigger new anipoke fans because they're sad and unhappy people. Personally I find it pathetic that people are still so desperately incapable of moving on with their post-Ash life, but to each their own.

>>58643194
Different writers, anyone having hopes with the E7 faggot in charge because he's "real" anime deserves a bullet to the head

The whole Horizons discourse can be summed by the anime being bad and boring then the fans seething about the objectively superior previous series (which was bad too) and have the previous main character live rent free in their heads

>>58643715
>neither the story, the characters, nor the dialogue are very interesting
That wasn't an issue for 20+ years.
>ahem, Takeshi Shudo
Kek, surely you aren't biased or anything

>>58643743
Oh sorry, then that can only mean the writers are even worse than the previous ones.

>>58643162
Most episodes don’t move the plot forward at all. The amount of info in them is dripfed and isn’t worth 100+ 20minute episodes of animation. The entire story could have been told in 30ish episodes by now, and it would have been better for it.

>>58643746
You've been butthurt about Red for longer than Horizons have aired.
And yes, it makes a lot of sense that the face one of the largest outputs of the franchise for more than 2 decades is present on said franchise's fans minds. Ironically ashfags are the ones trying to gaslight people into thinking the ashnime was a small one-off thing.

>>58643761
Try watching the show now.

>>58643766
You suck at this falseflagging shit.

>>58643757
What previous ones?

>>58643766
Bro, try being less repetitive if you want to start shit between Liko and Ash fans.

>>58643600
I mean...a majority of the people that watch Pokemon ARE children

>>58643766
Try not being easily traced back through the archives if you want to sell the seething, low-cap sperg.

>no argument

>>58643771
>>58643776
>>58643784
Should I be dissapointed that it is easier than ever to identify retards/falseflags because of the archive? Or surprised by how fast they get identifiable?

>>58643757
Don't know don't care but man, you can SEE the hatred in the second half of E7 and all their following works in that franchise.

>WE'RE THE SAME AGE, RENTON!!!!!!!!!
Go fuck yourself

>>58643119
Turn out to focus on three protag (4 if you include Ult) but only care about the starters and Lucario was a bad idea.
People will remember Kilowattrel as generic bird number 7, Hattrem as the healslut and Dot and her team as the overused joke that become boring quickly.

>>58643119
Because the show has no identity or personality of its own and can only retain viewership from being "the" pokemon show.

>>58643835
No? Don't speak for others to "follow the same rules", which are just piss poor writing decisions which turned it into 20 years of a dragged out shitshow. Fuck off.

>>58643835
>people expect his replacement to follow the same rules.
Not me.

>>58643750
I've never denied that a large part of the Ashnime was garbage. After Sinnoh, it was clear things weren't going to improve, which is why many dropped it, but the signs were already there in Johto. But credit where credit is due, the original series had a good start. What Takeshi Shudo did seems easy, but someone with less talent would have made the series flop completely.

>>58643822
Sableye, Terapagos, Dragonite and arguably Charcadet have way more focus than Lucario.

>>58643835
Read Yugioh

>>58643835
>People expected the replacement to also take 20 years instead of not repeating the same crap
Do you listen to yourself, Fagmon?

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>>58643726
I mean, Liko's VA once said that Liko and Dot's bond was "a bit deeper than just a friendship", Pokédoko described the scene in which Dot confesses that she's Gurumin to Liko as she "coming out" to her, and the designer of the winter outfits drew them like this.

>>58643835
>>58643856
None of these shows were ever good...

But they WERE really fucking cool for 7 year old boys. This isn't. That's the difference.

Sango is shit and a flop, she literally only appeals to retards
>She's le hecking quirky bad girl
shitty trope that has been repeated too many times.

>>58643868
Liko is into Dot's online Persona Gurumin, which can be construed as "deeper than a friendship" because they are also a Oshi and her streamer. That's it.

>>58643872
And? The target audience for japanese kids shows is western manchildren from the 2020s. Everyone knows this.

>>58643750
>Kek, surely you aren't biased or anything
NTA but the fuck are you talking about? Lots of people found the OG anime fun, it's famous for a reason. Horizonsfags are nuts.

>>58643885
>Lots of people found the OG anime fun
Never said otherwise.

>>58643897
But you said anon was 'biased' for praising Shudo's direction. Biased for what? A series that aired like twenty-eight years ago? Are you really so convinced that Horizons is somehow so fucking good that liking anything before it is some sort of bias rather than a simple preference?

Daily reminder that /ptsd/ would still be alive today if it weren't for gay mods

>>58643912
>Biased for what?
The ashnime.
>A series that aired like twenty-eight years ago?
The ashnime aired until 2023.
>Are you really so convinced that Horizons is somehow so fucking good that liking anything before it is some sort of bias rather than a simple preference?
Its not a preference when the previous thing was the worst product of the entertainment industry anon. Its not even a bias, its more than that.

>>58643876
That's still gay anon.

Because it is boring.

>>58643915
kek true

>>58643923
>the worst product of the entertainment industry
It was just a stupid kid show that was sometimes funny. I hate Ash Ketchum fanboys but I hate delusional Horizons fans like you even more, it's the same shit from the same ass.

>>58643923
So you're gonna ignore >>58643784? Alright, I see myself out, keep up the false image but don't expect it to go your way

>>58643119
I checked and this have 119 episodes, and it doesn't seem to be close to an end. A so called story-focused Pokémon anime doesn't need that many episodes. The Ashnime have like 150 episodes each season because it's filled with COTD garbage, but apparently Horizons is not like that, so why is being stretched this much? The plot can't be that deep or interesting.

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Just go to literally any of the Paldean Winds threads in the archive to see undeniable proof that Famon NEVER had any genuine interest in actually discussing the quality of Horizons. He just wants to screech endlessly about Ash being gone.
He just "cleverly" disguises his screeching as "genuine criticism" now by copying common (often valid) complaints about Horizons and then acts like you're attacking his "objectively correct opinion" for no reason and and may even get you banned for calling him out cause he can play the victim.

However, Paldean Winds has nothing solid to actually complain about, so he showed his true colors there and just singlehandedly destroyed the threads with his constant spam spewing nothing but schizophrenic vitriol about Ash being gone. Genuinely, if you haven't been there for it, look at the threads and see it for yourself.

Don't fall for his tricks. Ignore the schizo. None of his "opinions" are genuine. None of his arguments are made in good faith. It's all just his deranged Ash obsession speaking. You cannot change a man so autistic that he'd rather be a homeless bum arguing online on his phone rather than get his life together. Don't argue with him, it's pointless.

Anyway.
>>58643119
First season was actually pretty neat. Them showing Terapagos in the anime first and then later in the game was cool and interesting. The Finale of the first season was cool, but I expected more. Then season 2 came and it just fell off. They just lost their steam. The direction isn't as clear and there are too many characters and separate conflicts and it isn't really going anywhere. Also, they can't market for shit. Most people in the western fandom don't even know that the show exists.

>>58643940
>It was just a stupid kid show that was sometimes funny.
Except shudofags think it was this ambient kino masterpice.
Also, ifyou can give that benefit of the doubt to the ashnime then horizon should have no issue. Almost as if there were a bias.
Finally, no, usually shows are bad by a lack of talent, greed or laziness. Not by design like the ashnime was. Its objectively the worst.

>>58643946
That's not an argument.

>>58643948
>and it doesn't seem to be close to an end
It wont last past Gen 10's release. There isn't much left to do.
>so why is being stretched this much? The plot can't be that deep or interesting.
Its not that its deep, there's just a lot to do because the characters know very little at the begining and also a few training arcs(and people bitch whenever those are skipped).

>>58643923
But no one here has defended every season Ash has been in (at least, not me). I've only said that the original series had a good start and deviated quite a bit from the games, but no one complained because they were good additions.
If anything, that wasn't my main point. The thing is, for your OCs and your story to be engaging, you need talent, and the Horizons team lacks it. Horizons isn't terrible, it's mediocre, and that's not going to boost ratings.

>>58643948
I don't know how to explain this to you other than by retards are gonna circlejerk each other by "It should go seasonal" or "They don't need to air it beyond him". It's about Exposure for merch. Look up Pokemon? See maybe shit from the episodes (E.g Lacey's derpy face) -> cue potential customer lured into buying shit.

Weekly exposure is good PR or traffic for a IP like Pokemon which is into Merch. Them getting to do their own shit now has baby steps for going up but it won't take off immediately.

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Liko will always have fuckability and hotness over Satoshi.
She’s a sexy lil thing

>>58643968
>But no one here has defended every season Ash has been in (at least, not me).
The ashnime is one thing. If you insist on dividing it then at that point you're clearly trying to lift it up.

>Horizons isn't terrible, it's mediocre
So its an improvement?

>>58643979
>you're clearly trying to lift it up
The Liko cops are here everybody get the fuck down. I like about 40% of the Ash stuff, I love Team Rocket, and I don't really gaf about Ash's accomplishments or shipping.
>So its an improvement?
Based on what? Ratings? Obviously not. Storytelling? Most likely not, otherwise it'd have better ratings. Animation? It's the worst it's been in decades.

Ash is never coming back because they don't want to deal with Rica anymore lol. Maybe they can age him up and chance his voice

>>58643991
>The Liko cops are here everybody get the fuck down.
We only ask for fair criticism.
> like about 40% of the Ash stuf
Yeah, and Horizons is pretty good if you ignore the bad aspects of it.

>Based on what?
The quality of the show mainly.
In this very particular case, making a competent one.

>Storytelling? Most likely not, otherwise it'd have better ratings.
Storytelling and ratings are two diferent things.
>Animation? It's the worst it's been in decades.
How do you know the entirety of the last decades of pokemon animation anon?

>>58643957
Not gonna lie I'm curious about the full lore of this schizo. All I know is about his ashnime blabbings, dishonest discussion and that he's been around for a long time, and seems he's popped out in different places and become a lolcow in all of them. And what about the homeless part, is that true? QRD on his full timeline?

>>58643214
>>58643868
Well there it is then.
So that anon was right. Yuritrannies killed the anime.

>>58643992
>Bring him back but change his voice
>Jap audience gets mad
Literally walked into a corner
>Inb4 staff thinks they can replace her
Yeah good luck getting your own country to accept a change that only confirms a potential PR nightmare.

>>58644011
Keep in mind that le famino is just a defense card for ashfags. Most of the shit attributed to him isn't actually him. Nobody heard of him outside /padt/.

>>58644017
You suck at diverting the attention, lowcapsperg. You being strictly absent from /padt/ but showing up in every other anime thread repeating the same shit doesn't help your case.

>>58643991
Ignore him, he's the faggot that always use
>You didn't care for twenty years
So a newfren or from reddit

>>58644031
>lowcapsperg
and then you complain about schizos.

>>58644032
How about you answer the question instead of being mad at it?

>>58643119
New characters in a new setting CAN work, but everyone is so bland its hard to care about any of them. Liko is too nice, Roy is too much like SM Ash (which I don't think anyone liked), and the adults are just there to babysit.
Sango is the only fun character.

>>58644016
Japs don't like Rica that much, they are the ones that have been making rumors about her forever. Just look at how like a month ago, Rica complained too Japan catering tourists and nips on Twitter used this to attack her

>>58644017
You're genuinely retarded if you can't recognise Famon's posts.

>>58644009
The quality of the Horizons is terrible, dumbass. It had the nerve to actually set up a story it had no ability to deliver on. One week Friede is trapped in a mine, the next he's teleported out with no explanation. It's consistently sloppy, meandering, and relies more on mystery boxes and fake cliffhangers than character-based storytelling and relationships between Pokemon and trainers.

The Ash shit has horrendous, stanky lows but it never aspires to be more than weekly Pokemon noise, and just for managing to be occasionally entertaining it is COMPLETELY BETTER than Horizons. I wipe my ass with 'concepts' and 'potential'. If I want well written sequential storytelling I'm not going to turn on fucking Pokemon

>>58643991
They are worse than Ashfags with their defense lol.

>>58644045
>it's ok for the Ashnime to be shit because I expect it to be shit

>>58644044
Everything is a famon post if you call it one I guess.

>>58644045
>It had the nerve to actually set up a story it had no ability to deliver on.
The characters literally achieved their main goal pre-timeskip.
>One week Friede is trapped in a mine, the next he's teleported out with no explanation.
The fuck are you on about?
>elies more on mystery boxes and fake cliffhangers than character-based storytelling and relationships between Pokemon and trainers.
Except it Is about that? There are secondary pokemon for sure, but pretending the casts's relations to their mons isn't a thing is completely wrong. Literally the last episode was about Ult and Dragonite and the next one about Liko and Hatterene.


>it never aspires to be more than weekly Pokemon nois
Totally not a bias btw.

>If I want well written sequential storytelling
You don't even know what that is.

>>58643468
He's the mascot with a cute butt.

>>58644068
>Everything is a famon post if you call it one I guess.
So you are a retard.

>>58644078
No, just not a schizo.

>>58644068
Not beating the allegations others have raised, man. Maybe stop turbofagging and proving >>58643784 right?

>>58644016
lol, they thought about replacing her according to the Teraleak’s email. The truth is Veronica Taylor is more known worldwide for playing Ash than Rica is.

>>58644082
Why should I care about your schizo fanfics?

>>58644068
>The fuck are you on about?
HZ022 ends with the Galar mine collapsing with Friede and Amethio inside. The last shot is Liko screaming Friede's name as the walls crumble. Immediately afterwards in HZ023, Friede enters the Pokemon Center to meet up with Liko and Roy.
>I managed to get away!
No explanation is given. Just a cliffhanger for the sake of it. It's godawful. Don't ask me to give a shit about the 'danger' and 'stakes' these characters are going to run into if you can't even be bothered to write proper resolutions for the quandaries you put them in.

>>58644017
>Nobody heard of him outside /padt/.
not true, I've seen him mentioned and called out in reddit, pokecommunity and others. That's why I'm asking.

It's the interactions between characters I don't like. Even the pokemon don't have fun relationships with each other. Think of how Pikachu was like a big bro to Togepi, or Snivy had to keep Emolga from being a little shit.
When we saw how Roy caught Lucario, it was worshipping the croc for beating it. But episodes before and after that? The two don't really interact and Lucario is just another one of Roy's pokemon.

>>58644111
>reddit
figures

>>58644108
Kudos for actually bringing up a scene that's actually in an actual episode of the show.

The thing is, the Pokémon anime isn't as popular as it used to be. Some anons have already said this, and I'll say it again; they should have let the anime die. It's better to release a miniseries every now and then, like Origins, but with characters and Pokemon that are the current thing. Tell me if after SV a miniseries focused on Nemona wouldn't have been loved.

>>58644133
People hated every single one of those one-offs.

>>58644133
How about this, instead of just cancelling anipoke, why not let people who still enjoy new anime keep watching, and people who have no interest it just don't engage? Is that too much to ask? Or is this fandom too braindead to accept this simple premise?

>>58644130
It's not just that one scene either, it's a microcosm of Horizons entire storytelling ethos. That lethargy to deliver on any of the 'danger' it's trying to set up just makes the whole thing feel half-hearted. Lucius and Gibeon were teased many times before entering the actual plot, only to be thrown in the trash so we can get to Friede's fake death. The timeskip is also so half-hearted it hurts. I don't hate Horizons because I think they should go back; I hate it because I genuinely wanted it to be great, and it isn't even close.

>>58643119
I refuse to watch any anime that has a female main character and that Mary Sue Liko is no exception.

Bring back Ash.

>>58644156
No one is preventing you from enjoying or watching the show lol. You Horizonfags love gatekeeping.

>>58644011
Look up Isdra99 in the archives, retard has been at it for atleast years across this site and other platforms. One of them had a decrease in user traffic because of him annoying everyone else with his stupidity. Calls himself idealist on pixiv posting shitty and traced MS paint of whatever Pokegirl he jerks off to, projects his borderline insufferable attitude and SI tendencies with Ash onto others. He got fully identified because he spammed his own Tumblr blog and Twitter handle here constantly. Shit got so bad after 2023 when the Ashnime ended he started out of spite to mass report every post either not praising whatever he believes or screams into the void or every post solely discussing the Liko anime. In 2024, he caused multiple anons to get banned for a month or longer for exactly that, even getting one of them permabanned. Coincidentally, Ashnime discussion outside of the safe space he's trying to force or hijack on /vp/ took an incredible nosedive, with an obvious refusal to acknowledge his part in it.

He became homeless at the beginning of 2024 which got picked up through the observations of one anon: https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/55733184/#q55738265. Requests to dismiss the claims (Alongside proof for playing the games for the sake of knowing the source material) were ignored and met with "No U" takes. Since then, he became the laughing stock of anime lolcows which he discards by pretending that others are "jealous" of him. The final confirmation of his phonefaggotry came not surprisingly in a /ptsd/ thread, where he got banned for a single day for generating between the different shows in /ptsd/ (A thread for ONLY the ashnime mind you). And what does that retard do in his "wisdom"? He posted the ban on his Twitter handle screaming injustice but forgot one thing. The image fully displays his IP address (Which got verified to be one from a mobile range in Bangladesh) and by proxy his location alongside latitude and longitude coordinates. OOOPS

>>58644156
A franchise thrives on money, anon. No matter how much you love something, it's going to get canned if there aren't enough people watching or spending money. That's just life.

>>58643119
nobody wants to watch a brownoid
>>58643127
nobody was watching with ash either.

>>58644172
>It's not just that one scene either, it's a microcosm of Horizons entire storytelling ethos.
You've no idea what storytelling is.
>ucius and Gibeon were teased many times before entering the actual plot, only to be thrown in the trash so we can get to Friede's fake death.
Lucius was literally living on borrowed time. He was never supposed to do much.
Gibeon was also just a tool for Spinel.
You don't actually understand storytelling if such basic tropes filter you.

> I genuinely wanted it to be great, and it isn't even close.
Assuming, for a second, that what you're saying about Horizon is remotely true. Did you really think it realistic to go from 20+ years of the ashnime to, say, Digimon Tamers in one attempt?

>>58643127
This. Pokémon without Ash is like Dragon Ball without Goku.

It doesn't work. Especially NOT with a girl as the main character.

>>58644133
>The thing is, the Pokémon anime isn't as popular as it used to be. Some anons have already said this, and I'll say it again; they should have let the anime die.
Pokemon is at the height of its popularity, and anime has also never been more popular than it is right now. The reason the anime is floundering is because OLM fucking sucks at producing and advertising a decent show. By all counts, a Pokemon anime should be making mega money instead of dropping in ratings.
>>58644156
>why not let people who still enjoy new anime keep watching, and people who have no interest it just don't engage?
Horizons isn't exempt from criticism just because it gives you special feefees anon. If Pokemon puts out a shitty game or trailer, people criticize it, and rightfully so. The same energy should extend to the anime, which, as of now, is the only Pokemon media that's losing popularity instead of gaining it.

The solution isn't to bring Ash back, it's just to make a good fucking show. It's really that simple. Hire some directors with actual passion, put some money into it.

It's fucking laughable to imagine that the staff that ran the Ashnime into the ground could turn around and make Horizons work. It's even more laughable that fans of Ash and fans of Horizons will fight each other when Journeys and Horizons were produced by the exact same people.

Seriously, what the fuck happened with the animation after SM

>>58644193
A girl as a main character isnt a the problem. Just take any of the popular female characters in the series and make an anime around them. It was an instant hit. The problem is setting up an OC after 20 years of Ash. People are going to unfairly criticize it unless it was executes to perfection which it never will be because its a kids show

Whatever happens next, I just hope they don't bring back Ash. Any kind of change is a step in the right direction after the utter atrocity that was Pokemon Journeys. God knows we deserved new main characters way earlier than this, but whatever, better late than never.

>>58644204
Journeys and Horizons both had pretty strong animation cuts toward the beginnings of their respective series. Horizons had a very well animated premiere with great directing, and Journeys looked great until covid hit. Journeys had pretty weak animation for a while but would occasionally pull out a really good freelancer section, but Horizons has never really recovered after arc 3 ended. We've gotten a handful of solid Oshida cuts, but many episodes of Horizons have been outsourced to Taiwan and China, and it's not uncommon for battles to look more stilted than stuff from the 90s. They're clearly under a lot of crunch to get this shit out every week and the strain is very visible.

>>58644176
>and traced MS paint of whatever Pokegirl he jerks off to,
is he the one behind those Serena traces that appear sometimes in her thread? LOL, LMAO even

>The image fully displays his IP address (Which got verified to be one from a mobile range in Bangladesh)
of course

thanks for the thorough response anon

>>58643119
Go woke, go broke. Pokémon has plenty enough money to burn, but not even Ash can fix this shit.

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>>58644219
I found Journeys to be very fun when it wasn't blowing smoke up Ash's ass

>>58644219
Journeys wasn't ass because of ash, he didn't help but the problems were far greater than a tired mule of a character.

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>>58644219
Depending on how things go they might bring him back to "prove" the new cast wasn't a mistake or bad or to officially pass the torch

People became more vocal about their dislike toward Pokemon Horizons ever since Roy got a win against Nemona.

>>58644271
That was just the excuse of the week.
When Liko lost they bitched about that instead.

>>58644271
https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/search/text/Horizons%20roy%20nemona/
Brother, screaming it into the echo chamber won't make you look more sane.

There is no reason for the anime to exist when the games' stories and characters keep better and better and work well within the game. There is no reason to shove Ash or Liko in their stories

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>>58644290
This is golden. Like god damn, if three or two words are enough to track down someone then that says more about them being insecure with something that ONLY they have a problem with.

>>58644300
>rosa pic
you are a cuck faggot

>>58644291
Are you implying that Z-A's plot and characters were good? Even by Pokemon standards, they were fucking atrocious.

>>58644235
Literally how is it woke, what the fuck

>>58644290
I don't know what's funnier. The mere linking to the archives saying a thousand words about the same poster with the same spelling and spacing error doing the same shit or that I feel more insulted because this is doing a better job at explaining the stupidity or insecurity behind it than I could do.

>>58644336
>>58643847

>>58644335
Since PLA, the characters have a little twist to them that makes them more interesting, like Volo being insane. This does not happen in the anime. Liko, Roy, Amethio, etc are all very tropey and straight forward.

>>58643163
And nothing filters latinx harder

>>58644336
It's woke because one of the main character has dark skin. Why else do you think they said it?

>>58644345

"Go woke, go broke" is a hilarious expression because it's almost never true, especially for the Pokemon franchise which has been continuously expanding its number of dark-skinned characters. Z-A just introduced Pokemon Nurses of various skin colors, and nobody bat an eye. One of Z-A's most popular characters has a really dark skin too. Most people are sane and do not give a fuck about skin colors. "Go woke, go broke" is just a coping mechanism for retards detached from reality.

>>58644363
Roy is not dark skinned like Brock, he is a nigger gary stu.

>>58644355
>ashfag thinks PLA invented insanity

>>58644385
He lost to Nemona recently so he's a loser now.
Wait for his next win.

>>58644363
the sentence only really applies when media goes retardedly preachy about their talking ports, like recent disneyslop crashing at box office. Using it just in regards to dark skinned characters is the retarded part, besides pokémon will never touch those topics explicitly

>>58644291
This is true, and likely the reason the anime has been on a steady decline.
In the 90s, every character in the games was a static sprite with like four sentences of dialogue. The anime expanded on the stories of the games and gave NPCs and Pokemon personalities. This is why the anime became popular. It made the Pokemon world feel alive.
Putting personal opinions aside, modern Pokemon games have fleshed out stories and characters. The graphics are good enough so you actually know what everything is supposed to look like. There's not much room for the anime to expand on anything, so it's been trying to do its own thing. OLM has clearly struggled making this new approach work. JN and HZ have interesting premises that should be entertaining in theory, but they're not executed well enough to justify their own existence.
I'm sure there is a way for the Pokemon anime to exist going forward. A good first step would be to go seasonal - cut the yearly output of episodes in half. Then axe most or all of the current staff. Find someone with a vision who can make a Pokemon show that can stand independently of previous iterations and the games.
Take Concierge, for instance. Obviously a very different type of show compared to the main anime, but it managed to be a success without being based on any particular story or setting from the games. Take a similar approach but with an appealing 2-D anime art style and an action-oriented plot.

>>58644363
>"Go woke, go broke" is a hilarious expression because it's almost never true,
Lmao
>especially for the Pokemon franchise which has been continuously expanding its number of dark-skinned characters.
Because as always, Japan is late to the trend. Nintendo adopted jewshit just as USAID died in the West. But unlike the west, nips will keep funding DEI slop. Japan is full is spineless cocksucking corpofags, so I dont really expect them to give any backlash beyond complaining on their forums. They'll still buy the new pokemon game even if it was full of jeets and niggers.

>grown men watching pokeani
lliterally why, you could be watching or doing anything else and you choose the most soulless zombie husk of a kids show

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>>58644424
Yeah. The anime should continue to do its own thing. Just execute better.

>>58644478
Because I like Pokémon. I agree that it sucks, but every now and then it's gold. When Go's Magikarp jumped into orbit, I was reminded why I watch this shit. I just like silly pokemon shit.

The don't care the ratings, the anime exist because it's still profitable for tv Tokyo shopri etc.>>58644562
they keep putting anime logo in lots of merch, a nip already said they don't make the anime for the fans and viewers if not for the Jews (tv Tokyo)

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>>58643655
>Ygo doesn't suffer
Lmao and rush duel killed the anime

>>58643119
Rest in shit, bring on the Gen 10 cast already hopefully they'll be better

>>58643330
Roysisters.......

>>58644646
It will be the same crap

>>58644649
that's why I'm hoping, the Gen 9 cast is boring shit, can't get much worse than that surely.....

>>58644627
Vrainsisters...

>>58644652
They need bring back ash the only protagonist

>>58643119
It's so ugly, not even good looking male, the only character has fans is amethio they got more fanarts than the protagonists lol

>>58644672
*He got

>>58644252
Doing that would just piss the Ash stans off even more, especially if his appearance doesn't answer any of their burning questions (such as which girl won).

>>58643119
>Dead franchise get dead numbers
So hard

I guess for me it feels aimless. Not tying it to a region was really a mistake in my opinion. Magic adventures on the airship is cool, but it fails to ground the series in a location or setting and allows the characters to bypass more mundane areas for endless cities and actions.

>>58643783
You're too retarded, please read it again and contemplate on it.

Even Disney is making better animes with twisted wonderland

>>58643127
Fpbp. The bland, boring "characters" in the nunime are fucking terrible

>>58643835
>Pokémon
>one of the biggest underdog protagonist
Pokemon fans....

>>58644742
You mean ashfags

>>58643119
Poketurd fans believe Pokemon should number one in everything, it's number 1 in being a dogshit series

>>58644667
Meh, he got old, time to move on, but not anything like Liko and Roy, they're somehow even more boring

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>>58643119
The anime has flopped since Journeys.
>There were no interesting OCs.
>Ash was the most flanderized he has ever been.
>The writers didn’t know what to do with Goh and ended up using him mainly as homobait.
>Koharu was a very unlikeable bitch.
>All the female characters flopped; the writers preferred to promote the male characters instead.
OLM has lost the touch.

The graphics of the games have become so similar to the anime that it's rendered it pointless. It used to be cool to see animated pokemon after seeing their pixelated sprites in the game, but now it just doesn't have the same impact

>>58645004
Not helped is the fact the anime's visuals have grown increasingly childish over the years. We used to have the cope of "at least the Pokemon actually physically hit each other!" at one point, but now it's all fucking energy constructs, just like the games.

>>58644929
>>Koharu was a very unlikeable bitch.
She was kino and cute.... you nigger faggot

Likosis are going around saying that Mega Zeraora was created exclusively for her, that true?

>>58644929
Journeys flopped in the sense that it was a massive disappointment in every aspect, but when it comes to discussion, speculations and engagement on social media, it was a massive success. Horizons seems to be the opposite, it's good (according to people that watch it) but nobody cares or talks about it.

>>58645036
sounds like cope because they just share the same colorscheme??

>>58645049
Does this sound like cope to you?
>I believe it was made for the anime. I remember ages ago there was a leak discussing revolving Mega Zeraora mentioning how it was made because of the anime.
>The official site describes Mega Zeraora as a Pokémon that "decides of its own will when it releases its energy," requiring Trainers to either trust its decision or be so in sync ( through deep understanding). This fits Liko's goal of understanding pokemon feelings, it also fits Liko's colour scheme
The turtle was made for the anime too
>If anything Terapagos was the one made for Liko (or viceversa), if we're going for color schemes and obviously the importance it has for the anime.

>>58645043
I think you're confusing the PWT with the entire anime. You can literally search the /padt/ threads when it was airing and it was a borefest, because for every one “good” episode you got like ten filler ones of Pikachu being jealous again or Mr. Mime returning home.

Journeys was a fujofest with no memorable characters or story

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>>58645108
Journeys was conceived as a series whose sole purpose was to go viral from the very first episode. You have Lugia, the "Battle Frontier", the Ho-oh episode, Ash catching a Lucario, Mewtwo, all the returning characters, etc, etc. The PWC and Ash becoming a wOrLd ChAmPiOn was just the cherry on top. If those episode were good that's another discussion, but they did what they had to do: generate hype and get people talking about the anime.

>>58645166
Getting people to dogpile and harass the animation directors was the plan too? Because fuck, outside of the the first few episodes, barely anyone talks or fondly remembers the old characters returning which given the point of journeys is bad. During the airing it was:
>OMFG X IS BACK
And barely two weeks later, none of them lurked. The average user defaulted to discussing the shows pre Journey lmao.

>>58644742
>>58644746
Unlike Yu-Gi-Oh, Digimon and Beyblade protagonist that gets access to the strongest card, Digimon and Bey in the series, Ash still wasn't allowed to catch a main legendary Pokémon because of some rules that he still gotta follow.

>>58645401
>because of some rules that he still gotta follow.

LOL. They literally nerfed every single Champion in Pokemon Journeys because they wanted us to think Ash was suddenly on the same level as veteran Champions and then they proceeded to have Ash beat every single Champion, even ones that were presented as unbeatable and untouchable in the past. All rules flew out the window in the final series.

>>58645390
Better than some retard jobbing to some literally who for the umpteenth fucking time despite being a trainer for literal decades
How the fuck did people bear this shit, it was so forced

>>58645446
>They literally nerfed every single Champion in Pokemon Journeys
Dude, they refused to let Ash use his reserve in his biggest tournament of his life. Even his Dragovish's Fishious Rend should have taken out many of the champions pokemon but it was nerfed to be an ordinary bite attack. It was Ash who was being nerfed considering other Pokémon protagonist can use legendary Pokémon against the champions.

If anything, it was Leon who was buffed. I mean his Rilaboom took a fire blast with no damage from a champion's pokemon and Ash still needed three gimmick against him.

>>58644205
>take any of the popular female characters
Misty, May, and Dawn cannot carry a long going series on their own.

https://www.reddit.com/r/JerkOffToAnime/comments/1l4j4fj/nothing_better_than_having_a_hot_foursome_with/

>>58645499
So you hate Ash because he is not some self insert who gets everything handed to him and has to put afford to win anything like Messi. Thanks for confirming this.

>>58645553
>like Messi
Hi spic

>>58645539
>>58645553
Shut your fucking mouth Famon.
That crap is nothing more than sunken cost fallacy. Taking two decades for something that could've been told in one generation is just garbage writing bloated with patterned nonsense topped by the faggotry of the make a wish eight foundation.

Petty insistence on excusing shit like this is why you're getting ridiculed you homeless embarrassment. It's always the same shit with you, always putting words into others mouths to pretend you're in the right to act like a insufferable fuck. Just get a job. Maybe you pick up some traits to resemble a functional human being.

>>58645553
More like you love Ash because he's a brown jobbing loser who can't succeed at anything even after decades of work, just like you, truly the perfect self insert

>>58645539
I still find it risible how much they shilled Leon and his monkey.

Digimon got a new anime and it’s better, there is not point watching pokemon tranime even beyblade x mog pokeslop

>>58645608
>Ashfag seething about Alain
The fucking irony lmfao, how little self-awareness do you have

>Blueberry arc
>They ignore Kieran
I'm not watching this shit

>>58645651
I legit don't understand why they did that. Kieran is INSANELY popular. It would be literally free advertising if they showed him, everyone would be talking about it. Are they retarded?

How can Anipoke even survive without Ash?

>>58645657
>Two years in
>Still no signs of him
You can bitch about it all you want but they don't care about him or you.

The anime has been flopping for years , they even cancelled the movies kek still exist because tv tokyo olm want the Pokemon money

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>>58645657
I'd watch Rednime

Ash was too good and had too much influence on the games, so they made a lesser show where the games characters are less important and the most popula one (Arven, Kieran) just don't appears, it's less popular than the Ashnime and it's obviously on purpose. Ash's popularity made it that to a lot of kids he WAS the face of Pokemon with Pikachu, that's no good

>>58645608
God you're so fucking retarded. Your autistic ass can only think in logical extremes and refuses to acknowledge any nuance.
No, people don't want a Gary Stu protag who onehits every opponent and becomes champion without breaking a sweat. Literally no one wants that (and Roy isn't like that at all no matter how many times you claim he is). But people ALSO don't want the main character to be a literal eternal jobber who is FORCED to lose over and over again even after DECADES of experience, like Ash. I know you worship Ash like he's God, but surely you do understand that the writers repeatedly made Ash lose all important battle ON PURPOSE because they wrote themselves in a corner, right? His goal was to become a champion, which would end his journey. So they had to keep making him lose to keep the series going. They didn't think "it would be interesting if Ash lost this fight", they thought "shit, we need another season, so we have to make him lose this battle again no matter what". But this got increasingly ridiculous as time went on because he's had well over 10 years worth of experience and still lost to LITERAL OCs like Alain. But somehow this doesn't bother you because it's Ash so it's ok. Instead you get mad at characters who aren't forced to lose constantly because you got so used to Mr. Jobber that you can't fathom a character having a minor success after 1 year of training instead of 10 or 20 years. In truth you are mad at Roy because he's doing what you wish Ash was doing. Except it would be totally justified if Ash destroyed Nemona because "hurr 20 years of experience", but of course it would ALSO be justified if Ash lost because "hurr she's le champion". Your precious little Ash just can't do anything wrong.

>>58645839
>Your precious little Ash just can't do anything wrong.
See?

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They don't cancel it because still get money and viewers ,tv ratings mean jack shit when platforms and internet exist lol, it's 2025

Them ignoring Arven and his parents who were the focal points of the Area Zero plot and then ignoring Kieren but giving screentime to Carmine and the BB elite four members is so fascinatingly stupid. Arven and Kieren are both very popular, why'd they didn't show them?

>>58645879
I have plenty of arguments, you just ignore them as always. You turn blind to the fact that Ash was forced to lose purely as a means to artificially continue the series, not because it was interesting. You just pretend it was and ignore the truth.

Why does Ash attract people like this?

>>58645945
>And how is it any better to do same thing with the new protagonist that is not Ash?
It's not, but they're not doing that. In fact, you endlessly whine and screech whenever Roy or Liko win a major battles. You made dozens of posts seething about Roy beating Nemona (even though it didn't even matter at all for the story progression). You disingenuous fuck.

>I already have a new idea for my next Ash fanfic!
Thanks for proving once again that you don't give a single fuck about actual discussion of the anime, you just desperately want more Ash content no matter what.

Pokemon anime is fucking garbage even Gundam gquuuxxx did better and was a big hit in japan with a Pokemon artist making the designs lmao

I don't care about no Ash, but it seriously looks like an estranged spinoff covering totally different content from the games now, not a supplementary anime what you get to see characters, landmarks attractions and gimmicks from the latest gen, in animated/voiced form.

>>58645981
Ok, but its not like we ever had that.
The closest we got are origin, generations and evolutions.

>brown protagonist
mega flop fact they did another raihan clone with friede lol raihan was popular because he is from the game and fujoz

>>58645997
Sure we did. It's never been an adaptation but people used to be excited about seeing the anime version of gym leaders and the like, as well as the region in general. We went from the Sun and Moon anime bolstering the popularity of many characters, to many popular characters from Sword and Shield barely getting additional focus, to the new show ignoring the game characters almost entirely.

>>58646017
>sure we had it, you just had to waste your braincells!

I watched Horizons until they went to Kitakami. I think its biggest crime is taking itself too seriously. The amount of time the characters spend jabbering on about what they're gonna do next instead of entertaining the audience is completely unacceptable. There isn't an epic payoff either, because the characters aren't super emotional or passionate about their goals, there's something very detached about the protagonist.

Next series needs to be a lot simpler. I want a funny female protagonist, not a polite boring little angel like Liko

>>58646208
>I think its biggest crime is taking itself too seriously.
It really doesn't do so more than regular kids shows. When you experience more you'll get it.

>>58646017
Yes, there are certain characters who benefited from the anime, like Korrina.

>>58645651
seems like such a missed opportunity

>>58643173
Liko? Fat balding ojisan.

>>58646220
Other kids shows have the writing to back it up. Naruto, FMA, One Piece, Avatar, BTAS... All shows for little kids and yet they have the baseline writing competence to establish stakes and danger on a physical and emotional scale for the heroes. Pokemon does not have the talent behind it to write a serialized, plot-based kids show. Which is obvious, as views are down from Journeys both on streaming and overseas. There isn't really an active following for Horizons on social media either, nobody is really making their bones with videos about Horizons.

You can grouse all you want about how views were only up before because of Ash fanboys and nostalgia bait. You wouldn't even be fully wrong. But at present, Horizons is only held back by itself and the lack of passion, direction, and competence going into it. At the height of Pokemon's modern popularity, it's shocking that an anime about it could be so unpopular.

>>58646318
>Pokemon does not have the talent behind it to write a serialized, plot-based kids show.

Yup. Dumping Ash was fine, but dumping the episodic format to appease autists who were insecure about watching a babys show was stupid. Pokemon has never done plot well and the best episodes of the Ashime were always the one off filler episodes while the more plot based villian arcs were usually trash.

Can they just turn Nemona into the MC? She is more interesting than Liko and Roy as the main protagonist who just wants to get strong and conquer every region.

>>58646318
>Naruto, FMA, One Piece, Avatar, BTAS
All of those shows you just googled are for audiences older than pokemon's.

>>58646355
>Pokemon has never done plot well and the best episodes of the Ashime were always the one off filler episodes while the more plot based villian arcs were usually trash.
The ashnime had no writers, you're comparing apples and oranges.

>>58646355
One of the most surprisingly mature episodes of Journeys was a completely isolated story about Renji (one of the lab assistants) and his Magnemite, François. The episodic format isn't really all that limiting, it just comes down to talent. They got me to care more about that dude in a single episode than most of Ash's friends or the Rising Volt Tacklers.

And yeah, most Pokémon fans are deeply insecure. They see serialization as inherently more 'grown up' than episodic, but it's really all the same.

>>58646363
She's female, strong and dark skinned so you'd be complaining anyways.

>>58646368
>They see serialization as inherently more 'grown up' than episodic
No one does this. But the ashnime failed as an episodic show too.

>>58646366
>All of those shows you just googled are for audiences older than pokemon's
I have seen every episode of every 7-12 age demo show I listed. Thank you for quickly and efficiently demonstrating the median Horizons fan's reflexive need to invent alternate realities when the conversation isn't going their way. You have lost and everyone can see that. Goodbye.

>>58646373
>>58646366
How much longer are you gonna keep this falseflagging up, Lowcapsperg?

>>58646373
The ashnime failed in the past tense, the Likonime is currently failing even worse than the ashnime did, so why even bring the old show up?

>>58646375
cope

>>58646377
How about an actual argument?

>>58646380
Because you gave the ashnime a pass.
Not giving it to Horizons is unfair.
Its really that simple.

>>58646381
If you get identified you better stop man. Not exactly disproving the fact that you're deliberately false flagging while also turbofagging.

>>58645166
>Created to go viral
>Tons of old character cameos
>Literally nothing memorable about it

Maybe instead of shilling the fujobaits or Flopharu, Tomiyasu and his team would have done it better.

>>58646391
I wont stop posting because you fit me into your schizo shit.

>>58646395
Trying to shill pokemon go is one of the worst things ever. Gou and that girl are terrible. If it was truely created to go viral journeys shouldve just had brock and rotating girls from the past

>>58646366
>The ashnime had no writers, you're comparing apples and oranges.
Many of the writers of journeys are still writing for Horizons.

>>58646418
> writers of journeys

>>58643302
Having nothing but OCs is not why RéBURST failed. The OCs being bad and
>didn't give a damn about the Pokémon
is why RéBURST failed.

>>58646368
>The episodic format isn't really all that limiting,

Yup. If anything it is probably a better fit for Journeys then any older series because they had the entire Pokemon world to play with instead of the ususally new region and new Pokemon. Unpopular opinion, but Journeys went to shit when they went all in on the PWC and Project Mew to appease fags who complained about the lack of plot of the early episodes.

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>>58643119
With the release of ZA, I've seen a lot of fans making fan art of an Ash cameo. It seems the nostalgia has reached them too.

>>58643119
need more Ulto x Dot/Taro episodes, his harem will keep growing!

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>>58646754
16k fucking likes

I knew this shit was going to be slop the moment I saw the Pikachu shilling. I almost thought I'd be rid of that annoying yellow fucker but no

But the characters are boring, the story goes nowhere, the main character has what, 3 pokemon total? It takes 100+ episodes for pokemon to evolve as well. They could remove pokemon all together from this show and it's be equally shitty, that is how underutilized pokemon is in a pokemon anime

>>58646754
>>58647040
based. the people want Ash, not Liko and her retarded friends.

>>58647040
>heavy on delusions
most honest ashschizo

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>>58643541
Delicious Cornbread

>>58647059
>But the characters are boring
Subjective.

>the story goes nowhere
Factually untrue.

>the main character has what, 3 pokemon total?
Factually untrue.

> It takes 100+ episodes for pokemon to evolve as well.
Factually untrue.

Congrats, you're a fucking retard.

>>58647159
I don't think being overly attached to a self-insert main character is based. It's fucking sad.

>>58647257
Oh brother give it a rest man. Wasn't >>58646391 enough of a warning?

>>58647270
Sorry anon, I have a life beyond 4chan so I don't have time to spend 24 hours monitoring this thread. What the ever-loving fuck are you talking about?

>>58647268
It's called autism and is indeed sad.

So obviously Liko, Roy, and the rest of them are gone before gen 10 releases. The leaked meeting about retiring Ash made it seem like GameFreak and TPC were happy to move on from him. Based on that, I don't think they'll bring him back unless it's a one-off special for an anniversary.
Where does the anime go from here? Does it stay with OLM? Is it cancelled entirely? At the very least, I expect a pretty drastic overhaul on the production side.

>>58647432
New series, new cast.

>>58643119
She doesn't get naked anywhere near enough.

>>58647580
For Dot only.

>>58646754
>Journeys Ash

>>58647432
Hmm, I doubt the change will be too drastic. Same budget and crappy animation, just a different cast. What I do think is that the storytelling will change. If we're lucky, they'll hire decent writers.