>in the postgame Vinnie refers to the MC as one of their first Z-A Royale Champions, the other being the rivalGen 9 is the first generation to have ALL your rivals become champions since gen 1 (for obvious reasons). How do you feel about this?.
>>58676117What exactly is there to feel about it?
>>58676117I couldn't help but notice that Kieran isn't in the same style as the rest of them.
>>58676117Hella based. I'm tired of my "rivals" being pushover losers. Fuck Hop, fuck the XY loser friends, fuck May/Brendan, fuck everyone who isn't ambitious about being strong.
>>58676154>I'm tired of my "rivals" being pushover losers.Taunie and Urbain are pushover losers.
>>58676153It's cause it's from a concept art sheet, not official splash art. Post TM Kieran doesn't have official splash art.
>>58676158No they aren't. They got to A rank, and they decide to take Floette even if they lose to you. They're headstrong.
>>58676117Nemona’s the only that feels like she’s as strong as the game makes her out to be. The others here were cakewalks
>>58676158Taunie/Urbain is the only rival you never have to beat in Pokemon story, the game accounts for both outcomes EVERY SINGLE BATTLE, you can always lose and the plot moves forward. How the fuck are they pushovers? They are the only ones not losers by design
>>58676177This, Nemona even shits all over Kieran when they first met and when you battle her again she has a level 80 Kommo-o a pokemon only found in Kitakami, Nemona's the real deal, the others are big fish in small ponds.
>>58676117I don't give a shit because they're still worthless jobbers who kneel at me.Giving them undeserved pity titles does not magically make them better characters.
>>58676195Yeah being actually written for once is what makes them better characters
>>58676193Exactly her being somewhat resistant to Pecharunt’s mind control thanks to her hyper fixation on battling was the best part of the epilogue.
>>58676117I'm the only one who should be the champion.
>>58676227t. Dicks
>>58676117Sex with NemonaSex with Kieran
>>58676159I see! Thank you for explaining it.
>>58676272You're welcome. Here's the reference sheet btw.I'm kinda mad at how they fucked up his mouth on the 3D model. He's supposed to have a ^-shaped mouth like Furret according to this, but he doesn't actually. It's weird.
>>58676117They're all terrible characters so I guess they all have one thing in common
>>58676291You can just say "I didn't play any game this gen" bro we don't care
>>58676291You didn't play their games
>>58676291Nemona’s a good character. Didn’t play the DLC or ZA so don’t know about the others
>>58676117I feel like having sex with Nemona
>>58676408In terms of character Kieran >> Nemona >>> Taunie/Urbain
>>58676489Don’t care Nemona’s all I need
>>58676408>>58676423>>58676491Holy based!
>>58676291Based and Truthpilled
>>58676491This but Arven, the only true champion, the champion of my heart.
>>58676539>your first friend in Paldea ends up being the best character Nemona supremacy
>>58676117Arven, Penny and Carmine (and probably also Naveen and Lida) are rivals too though so that's not really true
>>58676189GF must still be in their "Timmy must have his credits participation trophy or else he'll go back to TCG Pocket" and "Want real teams? Go play VGC and buy our DLC" mindset for team building.
>>58676539>>58676569I've been obsessed with Pokemon since gen 1 and Nemona is the first rival I actually liked. She's top tier.
>>58676117The only one that matters is Nemona.
>>58677158>>58677789Can you explain why? I fail to see her appeal.
>>58677858Did you play her game?
>>58677858good question, she's pretty boring in her game
>>58677858>big sis type tomboy and champion level trainer, upbeat and energetic on the outside, but dealing with parental neglect and the loneliness caused by people rejecting her battle obsession. She clings to you, genuinely wants you to succeed and also has some physical condition that leaves her in poor health.She is also tall and curvy
>>58677858>>58677992For me, it's her genuine autism.
>>58677858She is the franchise's best friendly rival
>>58677158I’ve liked a few before her like Blue, Barry, Cheren, and Gladion but she’s probably my favorite now
>>58676117Sex with all of them
>>58676967They literally aren't, they are just your friends and you have some fights with them, but there's no rivalry, you don't push them to grow stronger and they don't push you back.
>>58678548They have the Rivals theme skill in Masters>you don't push them to grow strongerThat's wrong, Arven specifically said he wants to get stronger to be on your level and feel more equal to your strength
>>58679195Penny doesn’t have the Rival theme. Wouldn’t use Masters a source when SS Leaf doesn’t have the main character theme skill despite only having 4 theme skills.
>>58679209Oh so she doesn't, my badGuess the Team Star skill had priorityBut either way I would definitely count Arven as a rival, same with Carmine
>>58676117Keiran, Taunie/Urbain are not at all like Nemona, Nemona won an actual Pokemon league, the others won a school and city competition.
>>58679195>but gachashit says...Nobody cares.>you push Arven to be stronger!But Arven doesn't push you to be stronger you fucking retard, a rivalry has to have this go both ways or it's not a rivalry. With your logic every boss ever is a rival because they make you grow stronger.
>>58676117I hate all 4 equally
>>58679195>rivalry is when you inspire someone to be betterNope. Rivalry not only has to have that both ways but the people involved have to compete for a goal as well.>Green is Red's rival because they both depart on the same exact mission and fight over the Champion title>Silver is Ethan's rival because they keep clashing and both have a beef with Team Rocket they approach with different methods, all while they gather badges and go to the league like their predecesors>Wally is Brendan's rival because he's at first inspired by Brendan but then starts gathering badges like him, reaches him and they battle at Victory Road over who's gonna challenge the league, meanwhile May is chill and fights you for fun, she's no competition, she's no rival>Barry is Lucas' rival because in a Kanto 10's anniversary pandering moment his relationship with him is the same as Red and Green's, just without being able to beat the league before you, and even if they eventually gave Dawn a fight she's just the professor's assistant>Cheren and N are Hilbert's rivals because Cheren is also another "literally Red and Green" case and N is explicitly training and reaching the top along Hilbert to have a final battle at the league and prove which one of the legendary dragons' users is right, while Bianca is once again a chill friend not interested in the league stuff>Hugh is pretty much discount Silver but Nate always knew him like Green/Barry/Cheren1/2
>>58679195>>586801482/2>Serena is Calem's rival because once again she's given the same goal as you and actually competes over the mega ring and reaching the league too, the others are supposed to but actually don't care that much, if anything only Trevor also competes with him, but only in regards of the dex, which is a secondary or tertiary goal>Hau is having the same island challenge as Elio so Red-Green thing again, Gladion is actually less of a rival but he keeps challenging you and growing stronger along you, kinda like a mix of Silver and Wally, but a loose rival nonetheless>Trace is LITERALLY discount Green like Chase is discount Red so same Red-Green thing again, same rivalry>Hop, Bede and Marnie literally all compete with Victor in the gym challenge and are the purest definition of rival, then Klara/Avery compete with him for the armor so once again, rivals>Arceus doesn't have actual rivals in any form, Volo is the villain and Akari is Rei's senior and ally>Nemona is Florian's rival because she literally grooms him into one so they can be at the top and keep pushing eachother to greater heights in battle any time, Arven is just a rude kid he battles once, then his ally and friend, and then he also wants to battle once, nothing else, and Penny is pretty much the same. Then Kieran competes with Florian over Ogerpon's love, over the Champion title and over reaching Terapagos, while Carmine is just a rude tsundere who becomes Florian's friend>Taunie is Paxton's rival because not only their are in the same competition, she repeatedly states she's pushed to grow stronger by Paxton as a rival, compete over who is the best mega evolution user and who gets to mega evolve Floette, the final goal of the team. Naveen and Lida are also in the games but they take it in a more casual way and never, not even for a second, consider themselves candidates for the top like Paxton and Taunie areArven is just the buddy you helped and inspired, that's all.
>>58680158Arven and penny are rivals
>>58680237Whatever you say, Patrick.
>>58680244You only gave your personal opinion, you didn't really mention any facts that contradict that Arven or Penny are rivals, if that's the case Hugh shouldn't be a rival.
>>58680306I will admit I forgot Hugh didn't have interest in the league and was only doing the gyms to get stronger, so yeah he's not a rival either. Everything else is still true, Arven and Penny aren't rivals in any way, they are literally just kids from the same school as you that ask for help and work with you towards the same goal (gathering all herba mystica/dismantling all Star bases).They are the opposite of a rival, they are your allies, and that's not my "opinion".
>>58680387All rivals since gen 3 are your allies.
>>58680408Rival and ally aren't mutually exclusive, depends on the moment. Nemona is your ally but with the goal of turning you into her true rival at the end of her story, she still helps you later because she's still your friend of course, but that doesn't erase the rivalry you two have and how her goal of surpassing you conflicts with your goal of surpassing her, same about Hop, Cheren, Barry... There's nothing like that with Arven or Penny, their story arcs have you as their ally, your goal is the same as theirs from beginning to end, they are your allies and nothing else, and having fun battling doesn't change that.The only way in which you can consider them rivals are in the context of an isolated battle because they want to win and so you do, and in that sense every single character you fight in a pokemon battle is a rival (and honestly Arven doesn't even care that much that you beat him, he just wants his dog to have fun battling, and Penny is going all out for her team's code but she wants to be defeated to she can dismantle said team, so one of them doesn't care and the other's goal is literally losing to you).
>>58679314lmao the Z-A Royale is a battle competition held in an extremely unique and special fashion in the capital of France where they give the best trainers a bracelet that gives their pokemon super modes, realistically speaking it should be a way better way to measure strength than something like just visiting eight buildings in Kansai, beating eight trainers and then going to a building at the base of Mount Fuji to battle five more guys.
>>58680237Penny sure, since she has her own thing going on, but Arven I don't understand since unlike everyone else the two of you exclusively work together, I can't remember any context in which Arven competes with you for anything.I get that he can be counted as a "rival" in a 'Pokemon' way if we define rival as 'person your age who you go on your adventure with' but in the classical definition, even May/Brenden has more of a rivalry with the player since they actually want to beat you while Arven is so far removed from any kind of competition and his battles feel more like a gameplay contrivance before any sort of test.
>>58681394Penny is even less of a rival>you meet her when she's being bothered, so you save her>then she contacts you and wants your help>then you help her beating the guys she wants to be defeated>then she tells you "okay I'm the final guy you have to beat, beat me">you beat her>happy endingArven's test battle with his recovered dog had more reasons to want to win the fight than Penny, she literally wants you to beat the whole Team Star, herself included
>>58677858It's mainly horniness.
>>58681423As you can see from the other replies, no, it's not mainly horniness, you are just projecting.
>>58680237Penny has one battle which is low even for an evil team leader she's not a rival
