Talk and post your teams, give advice or just give random thoughts on ranked.Try to not let it die edition
is there any data mining on what moves are coming from mega dimensions? is it only gonna be signature moves like Zeraora's plasma fists?
>>58687887I have an XS Eevee and an XL Alpha Eevee. Which one should I evolve each into?
>>58688681>alphainto the trash, or I guess vamporeon>XSUmbreon, Glaceon, or Flareon. Which ever you need for a team. Espeon is pretty sleeper too. Psy shock for Xerneas, shadow ball for Chandelure and Metagross, power gem for also Chandelure and meta gross, and also just fire types like Charizard and then calm mind.
>play 2-4 matches>reach s rank>never play this mode ever again
Is using a Gold Bottlecap on a XS Pikachu fucking retarded? Found one today. Is it good as a Pikachu, or maybe Raichu for upcoming content?
>>58688828it's a good idea as Pikachu is the best mixed attacker in the game.pikachu on its own is a monster>252hp/252atk >lonley@light ball>volt tackle>thunder bolt>charge>protectpikachu is actually super versatile. He can be a mixed attacker, physcial, special, screen setter, has decent coverage, can run brick break etc.This set lets it delete anything that doesn't resist/is immune to electric. and you can snipe kills with charge tbolt. Even without investment, it hits like a train after a charge boost. I run HP instead of speed because I want to get more volt tackles out and more HP helps with that.
>>58688839>252hp/252atkIs this a dedicated investment towards Volt Tackle? Does Pikachu benefit enoughfrom the HP investment that you would choose it over 252Sp.Atk/252Atk for the most damage before switching out with their mixed moveset?
>>58688865you're welcome to try, after a charge, pikachu can survive 1 unboosted non stab move from some Pokémon. Like I said, Pikachu is very versatile.
>>58687887>posted to a ZA ranked thread a week ago asking about sizes differences and how they affect the game/moves>now other anons are doing it and asking questions about XS monsMeanwhile, still hunting for a female XS Eevee after 3-4 days because I refuse to make a male XS Glaceon
>>58688875Good luck with that.
>>58688875>I refuse to make a male XS GlaceonWhat?
>>58688885>>58688892By chance, I stumbled on another male XS Eevee (the first one is a Flareon now). I want a female one for a Glaceon because my autism tells me Glaceons are female-codedSo far, I've got like 4-5 S-sized female Eevee from failing to get an XS female.
>>58688911Impressive. I got lucky with an XS eevee during my play through in season 1 (also a flareon) and I also agree about Glaceon being female coded
Fuck that fairy faggot deer i'm going to kill it like how they murdered bambi's mother
>>58688911Are the genders from lore or something? I don't watch the show.
>>58688930No, Glaceon just looks like it has bangs.
>>58688941Oh shit cannot unsee
>>58688948One of usOne of us
>>58688911That's autistic as fuck but you do you.
Is there a place to hunt for XS Eevee? Cause i can only get 1 to spawn in the wild zone unless your just running to every Eevee location in lumiose until you get a XS
Can someone please tell me why eeveelutions are good all of a sudden and keep nuking everything
>>58689086>unless your just running to every Eevee location in lumiose until you get a XSI got some bad news, anon...
>>58689100Turns out if Speed stat barely mattered, you can just max up thier HP or Def to make each individual Eevee tanky in addition to their own attack stat
>>58689100They have dumb stat spreads and while most of them have low health, it turns out you can do a lot of damage when you're not forced to attack second, or be attacked at allAnd when you make it a 4-man free for all, speed and defense don't mean a lot. And adding random buffs you can pick up in fights helps too
>>58688656https://github.com/projectpokemon/za-textport/blob/main/Scrubbed%20Data/waza_infos.txtLate reply but these are all the moves that’ll be returning in the DLC, we also know that 2 new moves will be in the DLC too
>>58689235...why are there abilities in the code?
>>58689235>Fake OutI'm already annoyed...
Played it for the first time yesterday, already reached A. Shame there isn’t a real competitive mode, you just grind points till max rank and there is no point in playing anymore.
>>58689320Stop noticing
>>58689235>No meteor mash FUCK
The problem with Mewtwo is that Clawitzer does it better.I'm so fucking tired of Xerneas and the fucking Ampharos combo.
I really wish you could just get more sport and dream balls from this because right now it’s just the three
>>58689235>Sheer Cold
>>58687887If I have a level 52 Pokemon with maxed EV/IV, will there b any difference in training it up to level 100 when it just gets dropped back down to 50 in Ranked?
Mewtwo is much stronger than I had initially thought. Dunno if the Megas are worth it over Nasty Plot with LO.
>Mega Evolution Z Pokémon in Pokémon Legends Z-A have shorter charge time for moves but use more Mega Gauge
>>58691160>only applies to 3 PokemonGarchomp will be even more aids. The other 2? Not so sure, but they'll be better than what they currently have.
If I load a save in a spot right as a Pokemon spawns 2-3 seconds later next to me, is that Pokemon's shiny and size status determined/locked already?
>>58690400Buy da dlcPrease understando
>>58691449If you knocked it out prior, then yes, otherwise it will be the exact same
How does Mewtwo fare against the deer of healthy meta?
>>58691160>Garchomp Z On one hand fucking speedy EQs sounds aids but Dragon Rush should be worse because it'll lose the I-Frames faster right?
>>58691449No. Waiting on the timer makes rolling a new spawn. It's one of the faster ways of hunting shiny fennekin.
>>58691160>Lucario Z teleports behind you
>>58690369>Faster>Better offensives>Bulkier>Doesn't job to charge electrics>Better movepool I guess you have to give up your Xerneas but there's no way that's true.
>>58689235>seed bomb>drain punchHAIL TO THE KING
>>58691122dropped down
Man, I just thought of a hilarious way they could add Regigigas to legends za>hidden ability: slow start>when you send it out, it starts with a -2 attack down, special attack down, and speed down thats lasts 20 seconds>all its attacks are also on cooldownWhat do you think? Not in terms of viability, but how faithful it is to the source material?
>>58689235Just becvause it's here doesn't mean it'll actually be used. I'm primarily looking at dream eater. sleep doesn't exist in the game.
>>58691912sleep does exist in this game, it increases move start up and cooldown rather than disabling you like freeze
Since the wi-fi gen is dead, can anyone please help me evolve my Kadabra?
>>58692338Yea sure. Connect to 58692338
>>58689155Mega Feraligatrbros...................
>>58692347Thank you anon, I appreciate it.
>>58692354Any time fren enjoy your psychic moustache
Can't believe they're bringing this janky mode into next year's world championship
Anyone speak moon rune? I assume the nips name is Wi Ri Ra Mu
>>58689983The real competitive mode is trying to get the Consummate Gamer title (win without dying). I've done it 27 times now so have the silver title, working my way up to 50 for gold.
>>58692593Banana OoruBanana AllOne of the two.
>Draco Meteor clearly hits enemy>does nothingthis happens way too often
Finally tried to online ranked in this and holy shit what a clusterfuck, what were they thinkinnnngg
Probably going to be a common sentiment in a few days, but so far Mewtwo has been about as annoying as the damn deer.
>>58692716Probably a bad time for being a first timer, some dumbass decided to unleash Legendaries into the rank mode 2 months into the games life.
>>58692737don't worry, season 4 is gonna have Mega Ray and Primals
>>58692769Jfc......................
>>58692713>5 miles away from EQ>get hit
>>58692769This is going to be so fucked. Please god let them have the wisdom to have regular legendary-less seasons so the regular DLC guys don’t get cucked. Imagine if Mega Golisopod is actually cool and we still never get to use him because he’s only legal alongside Mega Fug
So how is mewtwo so far?Manageble compared to Xerneas?
>>58692912So far just as cancerous as the damn deer
>>58692912Omni coverage on insane SpAtk and I SWEAR the things Ice Beams have a longer range than every other ice type. And honestly? That fucking deer is worse and can beat Mewtwo back if its the physical variant.
mewtwo still dies to flareon, so all is well in the world.
I'm in post-game. What's a fun lead Pokemon considering ZA's unique battle mechanics?
>>58692977flareonmachampaggronemolgastunfiskactually, any electric type except for jolteon
Finally.....it's Glaceon time
>>58692985Powerful autism, congratulations man.
>>58692981Thanks. I approached ZA with the "type-matchup" mindset the mainline games required. It worked and carried me to 100%, but it sure is boring. I wish I could just attack-attack-attack with one pokemon until my opponent lost. I already did 20 battle streaks so there is nothing for me to do until the expansion
>>58692973What does the standard Swords Dance + Flare Blitz/Giga Impact Flareon hold as an item?
>>58692985post a pic of how tiny glaceon looks next to the your trainer. I wanna see.
>>58693011shell bell, charcoal, or life orb. I was running shell bell for all of season 1 and 2, and it was fantastic for longevity, but I kept coming across Xerneas who would invest in some defense and live that, so more damage was needed.But that still one-shots 252hp/252spa xerneas who has a base hp of 126 and a base def of 95, and mewtwo has a base hp of 106 and base def of 90.
>>58693011I should say, the shell bell set was a OHKO, so the other items were excessive.
>>58692991>>58693016Here she is in all of her glory. Not sure how she stacks up to other sized Eeveelutions and Glaceons, but I'm finally headed off to ranked.
>>58693080Ye, I'm not afraid of mewtwo. maybe X
So is mewtwo oppressing Xerneas players?Is he the hero we deserve?
Mewtwo is a blessing to this metaEvery mewtwo you see today would have been a Xerneas yesterday. If they're running mewtwo, they are probably not also running Metagross, or they risk doubling on two weaknesses to dark/ghost and if you carry that, you're already up huge.
I've been having fun using Eternal Floette. Has anyone else tried using her? I feel so bad that Taunie just gives her away after ten minutes, so I keep her on the team ...
>>58693242>gets A rank off screen>loses the "best mega evolution user" battle>decides that she'll do it anyway depite not beign the strongest>obviously fails anyway, everyone else in town has to pitch in to fix her fuck up.Taunie is quite literally the worst.>Eternal FloetteI tried her with a shell bell to reduce the kick back from light of ruin>moon blast>light or ruin>clam mind>synthesisit was pretty fun deleting garchomp and chipped Xerneas
>>58693264>gets A rank off screenthis bothers me more than it should have, who did she fight? Griselle? there were already B rank trainers so how was there not already an A rank before MC and Taunie
I don't see this guy used or talked about much. What are the best moves and teammates for it?
>>58693386metagross/excadrill, xerneas/gardevoir or some other pair of steel+fairy besides mawile>setSky is really the limit, take what you need for coverage. You can run a physical set with draco meteor. Base dragonite is 134atk, 100spa and mega evolves to 124atk, 145spa so It's still high attack stat, but has better bulk.
>season 4>ZA royal>30 players>shrinking city zonestime to drop in.
>>58693400What's the optimal nature for mixed? One of the speed lowering ones?
>>58687887Is Flareon and Glaceon still popular in meta of season 3?
>>58693705No but the eevee autists will try to tell you it is to make them forcing it seem smarter
High ranks are just infested with Xern Mewtwo Chomp and Gross. Really having a lot less fun and success trying to run off mets stuff. I really hate they allowed legendaries to shit everything up. At C rank and hating it.
Yeah gonna take a break from the Ranked fuck the dev that gave the Ok to let all these Legendaries be playable from the jump, shows they give no fucks about this mode.
Here's hoping next season bans legendaries again. Maybe switching things up by only allowing Pokemon that are found within the DLC, but Season 1 really was the best.
>>58693718either you don't play the game or youre the most unobservant person. probably both.
I just checked every single box of Pokemon I've caught, and I have 11 Small size Pokemon, and zero Extra Small size Pokemon. Who is actually managing to find XS Pokemon?! HOW?!
>>58694404They dedicated a whole announcement video to mega Zeraora. They're not going to ban legendaries and mythicals.
>>58693705Yep, still A tier.They have shit coverage, but because of what is popular (dragons and steels) they have their role. Glaceon more than Flareon especially with Mewtwo out, but Flareon is still very good. And that is mostly due to your other options>charizardway worse in almost ever capacity, but has ground immunity>mega charizard XNeeds to mega evolve. Loses ground immunity, loses fairy resistance>emboarPhenomenal coverage, but has more weaknesses and worse defenses>mega emboarNeeds to mega evolve. No fairy resistance >talonflameActually very good and comparable to Flareon. Has more weaknesses with a ground immunity but doesn't hit nearly as hard as anyone on this list
>>58688700>Umbreon, Glaceon, or Flareon.What if it's a male though?
>>58695496That doesn't make them any less good in a fight, infatuation doesn't exist in this metagame.what are you looking in here for? There is nothing here
>>58695489Funny how all of these options are great and pretty common. I've used Emboar extensively and it just wrecks shit that's clumped to get, racking up points quickly.
Is it better to run mixed M-Altaria or special/physical? I want to try it out, but it's got so much coverage that it's hard to choose.
>>58695512yep, all of them bring something>talonflamestab brave bird>emboarbest coverage>flareonhigh special defense and pure fire>charizardworse talonflame
>>58695489What's a thorough counter to Mewtwo? Glaceon needs Shadow Ball + Icebeam to 2HKO Mewtwo, but usually gets assraped before everything connects if you're fighting head on
>>58695558I don't think there is as specific one because it's fucking Mewtwo, but a safe bet is dark types.>you know he'll have psystrike for xerneas>80% he has ice beam for garchomp>you know he'll have nasty plot>50% chance he has shadowball for the mirror matchSo he might have 1 coverage move. Mewtwo can have aura sphere but that's a losing match up to Chandelure
>>58695558The big thing about M2 is that it's so hard to counter because of how many moves it has, so any mon you could think of to beat it would lose to any coverage.That being said, the most standard set appears to be CM psychock ice beam earth power, so dark types with some bulk should hopefully help
>teams can have 1 restricted, so every mewtwo could have been a xerneas>mewtwo has drastically reduced bulk comapred to xerneas so its easier to kill>the coverage to kill mewtwo was already used to kill other ghost and psychic types >most mewtwo carry ice beam, so garchomp has to be more afraid>if you use mewtwo, you're unlikely to use Metagross as well or suffer double weakness to 2 different typesFucking based metwo, saving the meta from the horned devil (xerneas)
Pokefrauds out here getting exposed>send out charizard>kill glaceon>see ground moving at my feet>excadrill pops out>start using heatwave>proceeds to earthquake>nothing happens>he starts runnign away>heat wave goes off>dies
>mewtwo metagross xerneas chomp mewtwo metagross xerneas chomp mewtwo metagross xerneas chomp mewtwo metagross xerneas chomp mewtwo metagross xerneas chomp mewtwo metagross xerneas chomp mewtwo metagross xerneas chomp mewtwo metagross xerneas chomp mewtwo metagross xerneas chomp mewtwo metagross xerneas chomp mewtwo metagross xerneas chomp mewtwo metagross xerneas chomp mewtwo metagross xerneas chomp mewtwo metagross xerneas chomp mewtwo metagross xerneas chomp mewtwo metagross xerneas chomp fuck this stupid ass mode lmao
Did the gay dlc come out yet?
>>58696456Wednesday, next week.
>>58696461Thanks nigga
>>58696449>That one Yveltal that's just trying to be different>gets Ice Beamed from a Glaceon and a Mewtwo at the same time
>>58696449>mewtwo metagross xerneas chompWaaaait a minute. That four pokemon.
>>58696481Coin flip whether it'll be Mewtwo or Xern
>>58696468hey, that was me
>>58696515Good, mewtwo has less health and lower defenses and doesn't trot away at mach 7
I want to build a team with mewtwo. Any recommendations? I played in season 1 and never got around to playing season 2. I feel stupid for missing out on the dream balls
>>58696554you can slap it onto any team that doesn't already have a bug/dark/ghost weakness. Mewtwo is strong.
>>58694738I find these little guys whenever I'm least expecting it.That said, should I make picrel a Mega Lucario or Mega Lucario Z? Assuming the later is more Special-oriented
>>58696522>mewtwo has less healthYou can't hit him after he 1-shots you>lower defensesYou can't hit him after he 1-shots you>doesn't trot away at mach 7Don't need to since he yup, you guessed it: 1-shots you
>>58696639That's the great part about a 4man free for all, if he's busy one shoting someone else, he can't one shot you.
>>58696638>Should I make picrel a Mega Lucario or Mega Lucario Z?Z Mega, obviously>Assuming the later is more Special-orientedThe latter is more defensively oriented, so it'll probably be a mixed attackerEither way, a physically-oriented build is still fine for a female Lucario
>>58696646The simple joys of sword dance earthquake, nasty plot heatwave and charge thunder.
>>58696726>charge thunder.>you know what let me put my screens on tooI hate amph so much.
>>58696732I actually prefer manectric, so much fucking speed.
Is Staraptor gonna be a threat?>close combat>brave bird>double edge>[no swords dance or bulk up]
>>58696917Depends on mega imo. no reckless boost.
>>58694372Update: So I decided that's it's too difficult to roll with my current setup and decided to change it up. I was at C and I remember all the Eevee discussion in this thread. I ran Glaceon, Umbreon and Flareon. Glaceon for Dragons/Waters, Umbreon for Mewtwo and Flareon for Steels/Xerneas. I actually started having fun and was able to pressure all those guys and make them switch or score KOs. The Eeveelutions are all surprisingly bulky and hit hard. Started placing much better. Not sure if it counts as off-meta but it's definitely good. Much better than being a meta slave and spam legendaries and pseudos.
It's incredible how much better Mewtwo is when abilities are removed.If Mewtwo had an ability that was decent then we'd see it get play in the real games. Hell, if it had psychic surge then that would be an instant winner.
>>58698085Any ability that did something would make Mewtwo much better. And it's comical that both of it's Megas got the same treatment. Maybe Champions will give something better than Unnerve or Pressure.
>>58698141Like I said, psychic surge would be incredible. Removing priority threats like sucker punch or fake out, protecting its allies, and boosting Mewtwo's expanding force. It would be a monster.
If you use legendaries, you automatically lose to me, the chad NON-LEGENDARY user
>>58698085Any psychic type someone wants to be better: hmm this need psychic surge me thinks….
>>58698843>Have a Shiny Alpha XL female Eevee>Have a Shiny XS male EeveeWhat do I evolve these into for Ranked? Any Alpha advantage for larger AoE attacks that are worth evolving for?
>>58698861you can't lose points in ranked so just use what you prefer.
>>58698861Vaporeon for the alpha and Flareon for the baby
>>58698843Based. Same here, I’m enjoying making weird team strats with unconventional picks and a limited dex.>Set up screen with G-Slowking>Swap into Machamp and tear through four mons using coverage moves and power up punch
>>58698867>VaporeonWhy the sudden uptick in Vaporeons this season? I see them use "Surf" trying to AoE groups a lot, but Xerneas and Glaceon usually 1 hit them.
>>58697960I TOLD YOUits not always perfect, sometimes you get walled by machamp or other fighting types because they counter each eevee but its a solid teamMy new Umbreon runs knock off, crunch, and bite and you just farm mega energy constantly.
>>58698918Because it has ice beam for Garchomp, resist steal and fire which are both commonly used mons, and is very specially bulky after a calm mind>excadrillSE>garchompSE>chadlelureSE>delphoxSEits a good mon
Good lord, they really should speed up the stance change animation on Aegislash. Really want to use the thing, but it's heavily outclassed by Doublade. What a shame.
>>58699198I've had low success with Doublade since it has similar animation problems to Aegislash.
>>58696917Tbolt fodder
>>58699265It's been doing well for me. Mewtwo and Xerneas users get caught off guard with it.
Are mons like Chandelure and Charizard better off being Alphas because of how ranged AoE conjuring moves work (Heat Wave I guess?), or would they also benefit from being XS without sacrificing too much offensive capability?
>>58699544I have an XS Chandelure and I haven't noticed any problems. Charizard being bigger is less of a weakness since he has ground immunity so his toes don't get caught on the tip of earthquake.
>>58688721This
>>58688721Same, I'm going to put as much effort into this "Rank Mode" as they did, which is not at all.
Just started playing again after a while and these ampharoses are everywhere. terroristmon
Trying to make mega gallade work. Feels kinda dogshit bros
>>58699789They can’t keep getting away with Charge Thunder. I will accept Charge Tbolt because it tracks.I wish that they had put more effort into other online modes. Using offensive moves like Dig, Fly, Bounce etc as defensive options as well as Protect/Detect being immediate nullifiers would work so much better in a non-battle royale format.
>>58700388It is
This is probably a retarded question but does doing ranked battles count towards the "Do 1000 battles lol" research or does it have to be normal game battles?
>>58700991Online ranked battles don't count towards it, unfortunately. I would have the shiny charm by now if it did
>>58701026You have a lot more patience for the free for all format than I do. I play till rank A every season. I still don't have the 100 battles badge.
Is Scrafty good?
>>58701205Not with Xerneas around.Basically the meta revolves around the deer.
This is all I have EV trained and ready to get me to Rank A. Starting from the bottom.Can I make it? What teams can I make with these soldiers? Should I give up here???
>>58701205More of a mascot for the autistic bIack kid than a reIiabIe Pokemon.
>>58701556>Can I make it?I guarantee this is the easiest Ranked mode of any game you will ever play in the modern era. You're overthinking it.
>>58701556You'll be fine.It's until around rank E where people start playing well(obnoxiously) by using switches/mega evos as methods of protecting.
Been sucked into Kirby air ride, do I have to get rank A before December 10th when the DLC drops?
>>58701639No, I believe the season ends on the 17th.
>>58688681>>58688828>>58688911>>58688918>>58693134Does anyone know the rate that XS Pokemon spawn? 5%? 1%?
>>58701556You have several members that are strong in the current meta. Skarm and Glaceon are super good foundations, I’d end with Umbreon, Emboar, or Bunery. Beedrill is silly but you need some screens and bulk to be able to set up properly.
I'm getting through this season with Beedrill, Steelix, and Delphox
>>58701556buddy you can make without a single EV trained mon, I'm still getting wins in B rank without EV training
>>58701205not good, but hes fun>knock off>brick break>bulk up>parting shot>see xerneas readying his geomancy>knock off, then parting shot>he has no item and his +2spatk is gone and his geomancy is on a 30 second cooldownEven better if it's physical Xerneas, since he has no boost m,oves and will just be doing half damage
>>58702321evs?
>>58702427za standard252hp/252atk/6spe adamant. If it's not holding a mega stone, mewtwo absolutely eats shit after a +knock off
>>58702442is there any reason for speed? or varied spreads? like, say, enough sp.atk for a mixed attacker to OHKO something?
>>58702447>is there any reason for speed?>Being this autistic in a +1 vitamin leftover
>>58702456weirdly aggressive and not even coherent
>>58702447it's a single point you could put it anywhere but in speed its a 0.03% cooldown reduction, which is almost nothing
>>58687887Xerneas ruined this game holy shit
>>58702624Yes he did.
Why doesnt Gamefreak just implement a constant no legends ladder?Don't they know people, a LOT of people, just want to play without legends.
I don't mind Mewtwo because you can straight up delete him with a lot of pokemons, but they should at least do some seasons without legendaries.
What are you supposed to do when this deer runs around the screen at mach 10? Running scizor because I thought it would be fun but my moves wont even hit because it can just run away
>>58703239Heavy Slam is pretty much the only physical move that is guaranteed to hit a moving Xerneas
>>58703244Bullet punch, follow with heavy slam.No, it will not KO lol
how come we dont FFA for fun here? am i missing something?
Yeah no fuck this lol, all these legendaries makes this shit unplayable and it's only going o get worse in a week
Just hit rank A. I'll see you guys next month when the primals arrive. pretty consistent good results with Mewtwo/Scizor/Vaporeon.
Does anyone know what TIME the DLC goes live this Wednesday?Outside the megas we're gonna get, we're getting a lot of mons that might shake things up.Like, if Marowak gets its thick club, and bonemerang, he could be a scary little dude.
>>58703811
>>58692698Maybe Banana Ore. Could be the JP name for Banandium Ore from DK Bananza.
>>58687887Wish I could finish my autistic shiny hunt fast enough to do this shit. Fucking Amaura taking weeks
>>58692698It's not ru, it's reBanana Oore
>>58703239When I see Xerneas or Ampharos running around with screens up actively avoiding combat, I just ignore them and go and fight someone who's conscious. Running around not fighting gets them no kills, so trying and most likely failing to chase them down is just wasting time that you could be using to actually rack up kills.>>58702447Mixed is probably doable when your pokemon gets one-shot by extremely common attacks even with hp investment.I'm running 252 atk + 252 sp.atk on my Simisear for a number of reasons. For pure damage, I can Flare Blitz and then Overheat something back-to-back. It being mixed makes it more versatile: I can switch it in to one-shot physically defensive Steel-types (Metagross/Steelix/Mega Aggron) with Overheat or boosted Heat Wave, while it can still do decent damage to Calm Mind users with Flare Blitz. For Excadrill specifically, at close range, it's Drill Run will ohko Simisear before Overheat comes out, but Flare Blitz is as fast as Drill Run, so it at least lets me trade 1-for-1.I'm also running 252 atk + 252 sp.atk Aurorus for Stone Edge, since it gets zero special Rock-type moves and I needed a team member that could cover Garchomp and fire types>>58702531lol
>>58704167Thank you anon, for the real input. Simisear sounds fun.
What are some more underrated mons you've enjoyed using in ranked? Personally a big G Slowking and M-Audino enjoyer.
I wish I could get my money back for this game. I genuinely regret buying it. This comes from a person who thoroughly enjoyed Let's Go, and was able to put 100s of hours into Pokemon Sword and Pokemon Scarlet by playing online. I think everyone hits a breaking point at some point with this franchise, and this is it, for me. I would not have purchased the game if I knew there was not going to be a 1v1 online battle mode. Nothing about the PvE gameplay warrants playing the game for a single moment after you complete the "story", and four player free for all is absolute fucking slop. It could have maybe been salvageable by banning legendaries from the online ranked play, but they couldn't even bother to do that. Somehow, I'm still able to squeeze enjoyment out of the normal pokemon gameplay where I have to beat some 9 year old Timmy playing with broken, busted bullshit like Urshifu, Flutter Mane, Gholdengo, etc. The fun of doing that is, I can still beat those Pokemon with my karenfag team of shitmons by using strategy, being a more experienced player, and sometimes having a little bit of luck on my side. I don't get salty about the legendary bullshit pokemon in a 1v1 mode, I know what I'm signing up for and I still have fun with it. I refuse to participate in a four player free for all cancerfest. I truly regret purchasing this game, but I've been a lifelong Pokedrone so I already preordered the dlc. I've never been this disatisfied with a pokemon game, so I figured, why would I be disatisfied this time? I thought Sword/Shield were the bottom of the barrel and I still played that for over 200 hours. I thought Scarlet/Violet were significantly better, and Legends Arceus actually had such good single player content that I was satisfied with that purchase and had fun with the game just playing a single player offline game. But this shit, this shit just fucking sucks. I haven't been able to think of a single reason to turn the game on again in weeks.
So how many rare candies do you have now anons?
Postan in this thread because it's vaguely ZA themed: I've never used Zygarde before. Just starting ZA. Can I use JUST the dog? I like the dog. Do they let you use the dog in the game? Thanks. I'll hang up and take my answer off the air.
>>58704401>Can I use JUST the dog?You can use it but you won't get it soon
>>58704262I would advise against buying digital copies of games, unless it's the only option>>58704380I keep hitting the max of 999>>58704401You catch Zygarde in the post-game, so you can't use it in the main story. But you can use the dog, yeah; you get a key item that lets you change between the dog and snake form
>>58704401if you're talking single player you get it like in the post game, you can do the 15 royales after with it, the events and the DLC with it I guessonline you can use it but it gets instaraped by ice beamsalso if you ever go below half health you transform into complete
Would your enjoyment of the game skyrocket if Gamefreak just implemented a constant ladder that didn't allow legends alongside the main ladder?
>>58704561Imo the meta was worse at the start Garchomp’s main counters aren’t very good
>throw out Zygarde>every single player acts like you insulted their mother and throws out Pokemon with ice beamJesus man
>>58704561no, i prefer this to Garchomp 24/7
>>58704862Legends players get targeted.
>>58704862>one shot from across the room gives you a point easily.Always worth it, I do the same with garchomp
I have a big Alpha Raichu.He any good? Nasty Plot? Or should I stick with Ampharos.
>>58705247raichu sucks until it gets it's mega evolution in 4 days
>>58705247Alpha is ass, you're just gonna get clipped by earthquake.
>run into physical Xerneas>suddenly feels way more bearable and fairIt really is Geomancy that's the problem on this fucking deer.
>>58705247You could take advantage of it's size with Volt Tackle.
>you can leech seed your own substituteI don’t know if this has any practical applications but it’s funny. Gourgeist actually seems kind of decent? Just went around seeding people and being a nuisance up to A.
>>58705374Gourgeist also has a silly strat with trick or treat adn phnatom force
>>58705374It and Trevenant have a decent typing for what's currently running around.
I know people say that Pyroar Mega is bad but...how bad can a Work Up boosted Hyper Beam be? Sounds like it can net a lot of surprise KOs.
>>58705870Work up sucks because its duration is so small compared to other boosting moves like swords dance.
>>58705870Hyper Beam is surprisingly fun to use with normal Drampa, but Drampa Sp. Atk is higher than Mega Pyroar's so idk if it would one shot a lot of stuff as easy. Should still be fun to try though
>>587017145%.
Anyone else burned out? Ranked feels awful since it's just Xerneas and Mewtwo spam (at least the latter is manageable) and shiny hunting is mind-numbingly boring.
>>58706318I was burned out the night Mewtwo came out and I feel it's not going to get any better
>>58706318I'm only farming stuff but the legends just take most of the fun away. I don't get what's the point of playing only using meta teams
do you fight the xerneas/chomp/mewtwo/gross wave or do you join it?
>>58706380Haven't touched a single one of those since I started playing.
>>58706380None of those, but I have used the other 3 restricted mons. Yveltal and M-Diancie aren't too bad, but trying to use M-Zygarde makes me want to bash my head into a wall.
>>58706479M-Zygarde would be fine if it wasn’t a fucking free for all but the instant it hits the field every single player starts gunning for you
>>58706527its VERY noticeable
After Mewtwo got in, I noticed that people stopped using Metagross.
>>58706557every mewtwo runs shadow ball so meta is now a free kill
wat r some fun teams in this metaplease im having no fun
Is there a Mewtwo counter that doesn't get oneshot?
>>58706589I usually pick a Pokemon I like + 2 good ones and make a team with them. The problem is that you always need something to counter Garchomp and Xerneas and the pokemons people pick to counter them>>58706634I don't recommend but I'm dealing with it fine using a Gardevoir with life orb. For some reason they always have Nasty Plot, so if I use Calm Mind I can outdamage them 90% of the time
>>58687887I exclusively run Mega Blastoise teams and have a surprising amount of success despite all the thunderbolt users.I'm hoping Hydro Cannon in the DLC will increase its viability.or a DLC2 that includes Z megas for the Kantrio
>>58706722what set
>>58706380Absolutely not. I run Sylveon/G-Slowking, Drampa/Noivern, and Hawlucha/Machamp, with some occasional swaps of other weird picks.
>>58706782cool ive been looking at noivernhow do you do that?
>>58706795It’s pretty frail so you want to setup properly. I was using it for the unexpected Heat Wave, and it has some other okay coverage moves too. I went HP/SpA/AssaultVedt just to help it survive a bit because it can get Tbolted/Ice Beamed pretty hard, but it appreciates any boost you get give to its offense, so consider Life Orb or other buff items.
>>58706833Yeah, I was thinking about how it fared when compared to other similarly typed dragon flying special attackers. Especially Mega Mence and Mega Nite. Noivern's unfortunately very weak and not even that fast these days.
Is anyone still heavily playing ZA? I stopped playing for a week, so I don't burn myself out for the DLC drop.3 days left.
>>58707281>Is anyone still heavily playing ZA?I'm going through the 15 infinite royales now, wanna get through them before the DLC
>>58706734Work up, hydro pump, surf, ice beam. It needs work up to KO anything as regular blastoise but does pretty good when mega evolved. Also the secret sauce is just enough special defense EVs to survive a Xerneas plus-thunderbolt. Honestly vaporeon is probably "better" but I'd rather playbwith pokemon I like.
>>58707504how many ev's is that? id love to figure it out myself, if thats what you're gonna say, but idk where a ZA calculator is
>>58707551https://theastrogoth.github.io/lza-damage-calc/Dunno how accurate it is but there’s a fork I found googling
>>58707561cool, ill do some calcincucking Xerneas any way possible is nice
Is Doublade bad? SD+Sneak doesnt seem so bad.
>>58707598It's not that it's bad per se, it's just that the meta is really fucked up.
>>58707281I'm finishing getting at least 100 caps and 15 gold ones for the DLC and a few shiny pokemons I want. I'll probably skip the shiny part though because I'm tired of it.
>>58707634How so? And will it get better?
>>58707551I think it's 252HP and 52 SpD. Rest can go into SpA
One good thing to remember about EVs is that your values should be divisible by 8 if you added 4. So for example, 32 points in a stat is a no-no, but 36 points is good to go. This is something that's often glossed over unless you're playing vgc specifically since that takes place at level 50 where this stat allocation matters. You can have really unoptimized sets that wastes 2-4 stat points if your EVs aren't correct for level 50. There's also a "stat bump" for some mons where they get 2 stat points for just 8 EVs instead of 16.
>>58707598Doublade is fairly slow with not lot of steel attacks. I wouldn't bother with it.
>>58707667Honestly, so long as ranked allows Legendaries, Xern is going to be a persistent threat and matches are going to devolve into “whose legendary can I kill with my own legendary.” With what we know is in the pipeline, you’ll likely be able to have fun in the lower ranks experimenting with teams and the like before getting ass-blasted by legends in the high ranks.It sucks, but so long as Game Freak keeps using legendaries and especially mega legendaries as the shiny thing, it’s not going to get any better. I highly doubt Z-Megas are going to be “more viable” or diversify the meta because lower cooldowns aren’t going to stop you from getting OHKO’d, though you might score more points. Since nobody “loses” because they decided to cave to whiny morons, the only thing you can really do is play to experience the misery.
is mega charizard y better as a physical attacker or special
Seeing people bitch about Xerneas and how cancer it is makes me feel vindicated from that autistic slapfight I had in /wfg/ like a week and a half ago. I'd unironically have a Mewtwo-dominated meta than the deer, at least Mewtwo is easier to punch through.Granted where I went wrong was not catching on earlier that the guy was arguing in bad faith when he said that using base Metagross invalidated my argument, despite all the ghosts, darks, fires, and grounds running around that easily beat it. If I used Excadrill (base or Mega) I would concede that point, but...Here's hoping when the new restricted Pokemon come in they can help keep Xerneas in check. I still believe it won't be as bad as how it is now.
just make a non legends ladder
>>58708174I don’t know what you were arguing about in a previous thread but Megagross is just as cancer as legends
>>58708186i'd also like pseudos restricted so everyone can branch out from spamming metagross/garchomp together
>>58708149bro pls.It's a special attacker.>>58708193Metagross is easy to wear down, exists in the meta to feebly counter the deer, and has no boosting moves. Xerneas is nore cancer, no contest.
>>58708203>wear downAccomplishes nothing, you one shot or you are just doing somebody else’s job for them
>>58708211>you one shotlollmaoBroadly many mons 1 shot Metagross after boosts or mega, almost nothing one shots Xern assuming they can even hit.
the issue with metagross is he can oneshot all his counters. Only a tool or a meta fanboy thinks he's balancedyou see them every match for a reason, even with garchomp using earthquake everywhere
>>58708217Sorry I don’t think I’m being clear in what I’m sayingMetagross and friends in the previous two metas were way, way more centralizing than what’s going on now. Metagross has been stapled to my team for the past 3 seasons it’s way too OP. Xerneas is stronger, but it’s not as above Garchomp and friends as Garchomp and friends are above the next best things, and Xerneas is less bursty so it’s given other things breathing room.
>>58708202i can deal with those guys because at least i know what most smooth brains without a creative bone in their body will bring so ive got some countersxerneas and mewtwo are just set up and attack garchomp and meta are at least restricted to very predictable coverage and speed
>>58708226I think if we had a better format than free for all, we'd have many more viable mons.So many people don't run protect at all in situations where it would be hugely beneficial. All Garchomps should be running yache berries too. Mega Zard Y is my metagross blaster, a protect soaks the thunder punch and a heat wave generally KOs.We just exist in a shitty format that promotes a shitty meta.
>>58708240This is the curse and the joy of ranked Z-A. Chomp and Meta (and maybe to a lesser extent Gyrados and Dragonite) and Xern are just SO centralizing that it’s easy to reasonably expect and check them, but it does mean that anything you want to use HAS to cover for them because it is impossible to avoid them. And yes, that does mean you need to reasonably cover four types across your twelve moves, but it sucks how rare it is to see something out of the norm.
>>58708574Free for all does suck, and more limited battle sizes would absolutely encourage defensive/clever play.
>>58708605Eh I think it’d turn into really cheesy infestation/toxic spam
>>58708653Are there any rewards exclusive to coming in 1st or 2nd in Ranked matches compared to offline?Does the online mode have anything for repeated matches that you can't get offline? I got all the Mega stones during the 1 week free trial. Am I missing out on anything currently by not participating in repeated online matches?Can I get all the apricot balls offline or are any non-seasonals locked online?
>>58708653Infestation being one of the only ways to force no switching is unfortunate, but they could have put a bit more effort into designing switching, toxic, or maybe even including fucking abilities so that more Pokemon could be viable. But, I get your point.
hey i wanna use gogoat cuz he seems funbulk up and horn leech/wild charge/earthquakewill i be obliterated?
>>58708705>will i be obliterated?Yes, but you will have fun and that's what matters
>>58708705he's one of the fastest pokemon which never fails to make me smileprance away from them heat waves
>>58689320Pretty sure PLA had them too.
>>58708705He’s underrated grass types are very good atm
>don't use legendaries>get bummed rushed by 3 people using legendaries>they'll stop fighting just to chase meblastoise with an assaultvest is not supposed to be an attractive target you fucking dumbfucks
>>58708783the nail that sticks out gets hammered down
>>58708705I've been using Gogoat the past couple of days. It's fun - nice to have something that deals with Vaporeon. Been trying Assault Vest with leaf blade, horn leech, megahorn (for mewtwo), and wild charge (for gyarados). It at least takes an Ice Beam from Mewtwo, and it can kill Mewtwo Y back with horn leech + megahorn.
>>58708811maybe ill go with that instead of bulk upi like the megahorn coverage
is jolteon back to being hard walled by dragons or is alluring voice in the game
>>58708240>>58708599And then the benefit to a FFA is that you don't always have to cover everything. There are two other people who can cover some of those typesMewtwo might think hes hot shit vs the Gengar and Chandelure but while hes using calm mind, there is a Heracross readying up a +megahorn
>>58708907Jolteon holds the title for being the worst electric type in ZA and the worst eeveelution in ZATo answer your question, yes. Thankfully, there are two other schmucks you can target
Does protect partially block plus moves or do they just go straight through?
>>58709280partial.
>>58708783That's this Ranked season in a nutshell, can't try out anything
>>58709293which is going to suck when they add the other mons in the dlc too, it's just going to be Mega Fug obliterating everything
>>58709313>it's just going to be Mega Fug obliterating everythingGarchomp already does this and mega fug is also 4x to ice, I doubt he's going to do much different.
I'm new to Pokemon ranked as a concept, do you think they will do seasons where they ban legendary Pokemon, because I'm so fucking tired of fighting deer and fetus's.
>>58709328Next season will probably be no legends again, then they’ll gradually introduce them back
>>58709328VGC (official competitive double battles) has different regulations where different pokemon are allowed, with Reg H being the one where no legendaries are allowed, so legendaries being banned for some seasons isn't unprecedented. But no clue whether or not ZA will regularly get anything like that.
>bounce dragon rush bounce dragon rushThis shit makes me seethe so bad
>>58709373>12 seconmd cool down>12 seconmd cool down>12 seconmd cool down>12 seconmd cool downhmm....
Bros am I a retard for maxing speed?
>>5870943780% you are.
>>58709437Yes, I'm sorry anon.Speed is so hilariously useless in most situations. You only dump some in when there's a cooldown reduction that's under 60 speed investment, even then probably not.Use that for defense and offense.
I wish Foul Play was in so I could shit on SD spam.
>>58709437I got saved by it a bunch of times with my Pikachu, but HP is just better overall
>>58709459Foul play would shut down mewtwo in an instant and probably 1hko a lot of swords dance sweepers.so yea. I agree. gimme foul play.
>everyone's playing screens and set up>start using toxicI enjoy forcing people to switch
>>58709459Frustrates me thinking about all the cut moves that could make a massive difference for certain mon’s competitive viability. This move alone would make Krookodile a much more reasonable threat.
>>58709493>Weakening people so my set up can guarantee the KOwhy thank you
Come up with season/event gimmicks.>Hoenn Skies: Every match has a good chance to be sunny or rainy>Plus Festival: Mega evolution drains faster, but plus moves (on non Mega evos) use less energy.>Mega Festival: Megas last longer but plus moves are more expensive when not Mega evolved>Bug Week: All bug types get Tinted Lens>Brain/Brawn week: Special/physical moves are more powerful this week>Speed Freaks: all pokemon have double Speed>Little Cup: only not fully evolved pokemon allowed>Clash of the Titans: only large/heavy pokemon allowed, sloppa related
>>58709527>starter fest: only starter pokemon and their evolutions are allowed include pikachu/raichu+eevee/lutions if you think that's too boring
>>58709527>sky battlesHave unique maps and take place on roof tops where the players can use only use pokemon that can fly or float>ground type moves automatically fail>roto glide becomes usable>if you fall off a building, you imemditey forfeit a point to the last player that attacked you as if your pokem on died and you respawn shortly
am i wasting my time using mystical fire on gardevoir
>>58709670You could say you're wasting your time running Gardevoir instead of Xerneas. With that said though, assuming they all have no defense EVs and 252hp EVs, Gardevoir's +mystical fire with a calm mind boost>vs skarmory is a 81% chance to OHKO (no hold item)>vs excadrill is a 81% chance to OHKO (expert belt)>vs metagross is a 25% chance to OHKO (expert belt)>vs glaceon is a 50% chance to OHKO (expert belt)Life orb makes these OHKO for Excadrill and Skarmory and a 50% for Metagross and 68% for Glaceon. I'm trying to think of what else you’d want to use it on. If you have a better fire attack on someone else not weak to steal, then you are wasting your time.
>>58709670Use only to snipe mons on the yellow/red
>>58709313>Mega FugI worry more about primal kyogre fucking dominating the scene way more than xerneas right now, making primal groudon in the shitters due to "no abilities lol"
should they speed up gunk shot
>>58709952and sludge bomb, yes
What does ZA speed do?In what situations is it important?
>>58709967It only reduces cooldown time. Specifically, how long you have to wait before you can use a move again.It doesn't affect move casting/charge-up time, which is how long it takes your Pokemon to launch a move and was recently showcased in the Mega Lucario Z reveal vid.Priority moves like Quick Attack and Extremespeed and Bullet Punch are always the minimum cooldown time of 3 seconds so Speed doesn't help with that either.
good grounds aside from garchomp?
Does protect+ block plus moves?
>>58709967Speed reduces cooldown reduction, moves that increase or decrease speed also alter movement speed>geomancy>agility>icy wind
>>58709993excadrill>>58710005only partially, +protect only reduces its cooldown from 15 to 12
I hope they add Revavroom as a last minute addition to the dlc. I really want to kill Xerneas.
>>58710005It should, but no.
>>58708749>he’s one of the fastest PokémonHey wait a minute, what the fuck determines a Pokémon’s run speed if the Speed stat is solely used for cooldowns? Is it a completely arbitrary hidden stat? If so that’s not only monumentally retarded, but needs to be catalogued so we can take that into account for viability
>>58710153>Is it a completely arbitrary hidden stat?yes it is
>>58710153It's a hidden and untested stat as far as I know. Agility makes you slightly faster. I tried using babies online and you can really feel how slow they are because you run too fast.
>>58710155>>58710159Pants-on-head retarded not tying this to the Speed stat, but I’m not shocked. Regardless, this is the world we live in now, so somebody needs to dig up this data. If Xerneas and Gogoat are two of the fastest Pokémon in the game, there are certain to be others who can keep up with them. That would be a game changer to be able to quantify that metric and look it up.
trevenant good?
>>58710208turning things into a grass type is fun, but everyones packing fire moves for metagross
Have been running ZardY with Protect, Heat Wave, Solar Beam, and Focus Blast.In battles with a lot of steel and water types it chews through them with a little maneuvering. Protect for counterplay and stopping the odd thunderbolt.
