100% confirmation that there's only one Mewtwo. The Mewtwo in Kalos is the same one from Kanto, and neither Red nor Calem/Serena canonically caught it
>100% confirmation that there's only o-ACK!!!!
>We wondered if ws might be able to use Mewtwo in the ultimate weapon.this sounds incomprehensibly idiotic
>>58692568Rainbow Rocket Giovanni is not the same Giovanni from the main universe, he's from an alternate universe
>>58692575They gave up on it because they couldn't get Mewtwo to Mega Evolve
they should really stop committing to there being so many one-off unique mons and pokemon should be more readily able to proliferate themselves.>mewtwo was created in a labis great but does not require>there is only one mewtwonor should it be true. Just make mewtwo able to somehow reproduce. Doesn't have to be explicit. Doesn't have to be available to the player. Just let it be possible. Legendaries and mythicals should be multiples. There should be nobody questioning if there's more than one latios, darkrai, xerneas, reshiram, mewtwo, mew, dialga, arceus, zamazenta, solgaleo, or koraidon. Shouldn't matter. There just are. Same with stuff like blood-moon ursaluna. Pokemon with weird rare altforms are fine, but it should also be fine for there to be more than just one. This is a monster collecting franchise. People should not have to say "hurr durr I wonder if we're in different universes or whatever cus we have 2 arceus lol"
>>58692615It's made pretty explicit which legendaries have multiples and which ones are one of a kind
>>58692575Why? Mewtwo is a pokemon with a lot of energy.
>>58692620List the one-offs so everyone can prove you wrong.
>>58692622Its also the only pokemon know for busting out of containment and killing everyone.
>>58692568Did you miss the part about how Rainbow Rocket Giovanni is a multiverse traveling version of Giovanni? He and the other team leaders that are a part of RR are from universes where there was no protagonists to get in their way, and he made them all join his teamThey emphasize this point via Archie and Maxie using their original RSE designs as well
>>58692630They secured Yveltal who is capable of killing everyone passively. Of course they’d be confident in getting Mewtwo.
>>58692620>and which ones are one of a kindand these should not exist. Also, it's not that explicit for as many of them as you think.
>>58692562Explain Zekrom/Reshiram Xernea/Yveltal being capturable in future titles when they canonically obtained in their debut games. Hell explain Palkia/Dialuga in Legends and DPPt.Just because there's one of them, doesn't mean they're never been caught; It could be possible that canonically the Trainers release legendaries to offer other trainers a chance to capture them.
>>58692651>Explain Zekrom/Reshiram Xernea/Yveltal being capturable in future titles when they canonically obtained in their debut gameHoopa portals/Ultra wormholes, you're capturing ones from alternate universes
Mewtwo is literally the easiest legendary Pokémon to justify having multiple copies of.Just say that some dumb scientist from the original development team sold the project on the black market to an unknown number of buyers.
>>58692663Mr. Snackem in SVZ-A 5 years after XYDynamax Legend Raids
>>58692664That's what happened with Type: Null in Sword/Shield, someone stole the Aether Foundation's research notes and used them to make another one
>>58692651Z-A seems to be in a version of Kalos where a mix of XY happened (most likely Pokemon Z) Xernea/Yveltal, if its like most third versions, the mascot Pokemon of the other versions are never required to be caught in the third oneAlso from ORAS onwards, they started introducing the ability to catch legendaries from other universes (they kind of gave up in SV however, and they just are here with no reason given), so they can keep it as if there's only a single one in the existing universe, while giving the player the option to still get them
>>58692669An NPC in SwSh actually implies the dynamax legend raids are possibly also wormholes to explain all these older Pokemon showing up
>>58692674You didn't explain Dialga and Palkia in PLA and DPPt, especially the time skip.
>>58692651Masters does your explanation, >>58692663 , and just having multiple of each legend per universe all at once. N obtained both dragons from his universe despite Hilbert also getting one from that same universe. Meanwhile Masters Hilbert comes from a universe where Kyurem was caught by him in BW, and Ghetsis comes from a different universe where he instead caught it in BW2. The point is that Gamefreak doesn’t actually seem to care, and they’ll basically sanction any explanation if it makes for an interesting story. Ohmori and Sugimori were down with the anime writers to just add a second Rayquaza and Zygarde to the lore in Horizons, which takes more from the games than the Ashnime did.
>>58692562What a jobmon
>>58692682We actually know via the Arceus event in HGSS that Arceus can just create a new Dialga, Palkia and Giratina if neededHowever between PLA and DPPt its very fucking obvious what happens, the player character dies, and the legendary just goes off on their own after thatIts made very explicit that the Giratina of PLA is the same one from Platinum, after you beat it so badly, it becomes a protector of the Sinnoh region, leading to it stopping Cyrus in Platinum
>>58692693>We actually know via the Arceus event in HGSS that Arceus can just create a new Dialga, Palkia and Giratina if neededSome suspected that there's can only be one of the creation trio in a given universe, and Arceus and Unown just recreated the Universe just to give you an egg of one of them.
>>58692700The pokedex in PLA implies that Dialga, Palkia and Giratina don't just control time, space and antimatter, but are very much the living embodiment of those concepts, so that's completely possible
>>58692671type: null deserves a new regional/"convergent" line that's 3 stages instead of 2, has a prevo, mid stage is not in pain or uncomfortable, and final stage is silvally but pretty much better, with you being able to change silvally to this new version (and back if you so choose)
>>58692693Keep in mind the creation of a new dialga/palkia/giratina seemed to Almost require the creation of an entirely new universe based on the cutscene.You're not supposed to think about it too hard but generally box legendaries are essentially one-offs, there's multiple birds, multiple paradox cyclizars, idk if solgaleo and lunaala even count since they're from an alternate dimension to begin with.Meanwhile the lesser trios seem to be pretty readily available. If it's legal in the battle tower there's generally multiples and it's just a rare species.
>>58692700The “recreated the universe” thing has always been a headcanon from people who didn’t actually read the text. Arceus is just making you an egg, which is something no one has seen. This is what Cynthia states in the game. Making a second set of all three would presumably “shape a new world” according to the same event, but notably the player can’t actually make more than two, even with transferring a HoO Arceus from DPPt. So there’s no way what Arceus shows the player is it directly creating a universe. It all might just be myths and fake too, though. Masuda in the teraleak mentioned that Arceus and the dragon trio don’t actually hold the power over the universe, and that Arceus created them in front of people in ancient Sinnoh which led to passing of some of the specific Canalave myths and the idea of them being creator deities of timespace. Cynthia alludes to this in Platinum, too.
>>58692664The point of Mewtwo is that it's a Frankenstein's Monster of the Pokemon world created through genetic manipulation of Mew's Embryo. Now only that the genetic Material is difficult to obtained (Mew's a mythical Pokémon afterall), but all the equipments and knowledge used to create one is either destroyed, lost, or buried. Mewtwo is Mr. Fuji's Monster, simple as that. Tragedy is that it's not supposed to exist and it's alone.
>>58692562Oh brother here they go changing random shit again, Fuck Game Freak
>>58692728Nothing ever suggested that Kanto Mewtwo and Kalos Mewtwo WEREN'T the same
>>58692562There are two Mewtwos. One wields Mega X, the other wields Mega Y. Mable never said that there was only one Mewtwo, just that this particular Mewtwo came to Kalos. She doesn't even mention Team Rocket, just some scientist researching pokemon DNA.
>>58692791>anime canonlollmao even
>>58692795Yesn't
>>58692795
>>58692892parallel worlds can mean a LOT of differences bud
>>58692894Not really.What he means is "everywhere in the anime that does not appear in our games is a parallel world". They only give a shit about THEIR canon. The only way for Tajiri to accept the tv show being "his" world was to headcanon away the non-gameshit as not being canon to the world, to be parallel to his world.
>another thread where anons wrestle with the fact that gamefreak has no care or consideration for what is or is not canonGive it up anons. Pokemon 'canon' has become a complete nebulous nothing that changes shape in an instant based on the immediate whims of gamefreak and tpc. If they decide Hoenn is inhabited by an underground network of Palkia then it'll happen.
>>58692719>Arceus and the dragon trio don’t actually hold the power over the universei can't really reconcile this with what's directly stated in-game. cyrus wants to use dialga/palkia to create an entirely new universe. he gets the red chain to control them because poke balls limit their power, and this plan is seen to be working until giratina intervenes and stops him.why would giratina feel the need to travel across dimensions from the distortion world to foil cyrus' plans if neither dialga, palkia, or itself actually have the power cyrus thought they did?
>>58692996I blame Gen 6, because there was more thought behind this stuff before that point
>>58693032>giratina feel the need to travel across dimensions from the distortion world to foil cyrus' plansWhat cyrus was doing was causing the two worlds to collide and cause distortions. Giratina got mad that it was causing it's own world to be damaged, hence why it stopped him. The purpose of you battling/defeating/catching giratina in the distortion world was merely to show you that the world isn't going to disappear if you do that. Which basically implies that they don't really have that sort of power. The trio likely have some sort of power, in that its mainly just keeping balance. In the end, the true Arceus is what controls everything.
>>58692892>>58692931>so basically it's like the same world except it's different from ourshe attempted to dodge the question but failed and said something retarded lol
>>58693215>What cyrus was doing was causing the two worlds to collide and cause distortionsthat's actually incorrect, the spreading distortions were actually caused by giratina showing up and leaving the portal to the distortion world open when it left. this is directly stated by cynthia in-game immediately after giratina appears at spear pillar.
>>58693245I went to check and that is correct so my bad. They dont truly discuss why Giratina came to stop cyrus so that part is still up in the air for interpretation. But it still stands that the game states that while people think they have the power to create/destroy worlds its not truly the case.
>>58693278i don't think it's much of a stretch to say they do have at least some world-scale powers. even if they can't actually destroy the universe (which is obvious because giratina definitely would have done so if he could when he was going through his chuuni phase in PLA) they're still at minimum responsible for the balance of time and space, and being responsible for balancing something inherently requires the ability to apply some kind of force to it. sure dialga doesn't have absolute control over time, but it has to be able to manipulate it at a relatively wide scale for it to function in its role of keeping balance and that means it probably could destroy the world if it really wanted to. same goes for palkia with space. and if they were just really really strong pokemon there would be no need for arceus to create the lake trio as a failsafe system for one of them going out of control, zygarde would be enough since it's the designated planetary balance-keeper and counter-agent to things like yveltal, xerneas, and outside forces like necrozma.also, and this is pure conjecture here, it's entirely possible that the other worlds in the pokemon universe have their own versions of dialga and palkia to maintain the balance in the local area. HGSS shows that they're not one-of-a-kind pokemon already, and that also supports them being world-scale gods of time and space rather than universal-scale. still likely capable of destroying a planet though, even if it's just by using their powers in the "wrong" way like cyrus was trying to do.
>>58692615even if it's artificially created it doesn't have to be unique. porygon isn't unique. type null isn't unique. could easily handwave multiple mewtwos by saying somebody got their hands on team rocket's research and recreated it.
>>58692664It's the survivor of a bunch of horrific gene splicing. It existing at all is probably a freak miracle. There only being one makes sense. All the other appearances are space time multiverse fuckery.
Why is it hard to accept that in canon the protagonist you play as is lazy as fuck and doesn't bother collecting anything? Link did the same in Breath of the Wild.
>>58692615Absolute cringe. Never become a writer.Pokemon should be differentiated into species and one-of-a-kind variants, it helps in world-building.
>>58692626Ho-oh, all the sinnoh boxart legends, Reshiram and Zekrom, the Tapus, the galar wolves Calyrex, Ogerpon and the loyal quartet.
>>58692575Please stop thinking and just clap about mewtwo being there
>>58693513Never become a game designer. Congruity between gameplay and player immersion is tantamount to satisfaction and takes priority over writing. Not to mention Pokemon's writing has been consistently shitty and sophomoric, and takes a backseat to gameplay (gimmicks, rather) as is.Retard.
>>58692615This
>>58693513what does that even have to do with writing? you can write any explanation you want or just not offer one, but instead gamefreak went the extra mile to make people question their writing decisions.
>>58692562How the heck they caught Mewtwo? Are Mewtwo truly that weak?
>>58693215>>58693245Sounds like Digimon fans trying to cope when Dialga and Palkia's scale was way higher than any Digimon! Cynthia directly state that the portal between human and distortion world would have destroyed the pokemon verse. Furthermore Team Rainbow Rocket had Cyrus who state that he succeeded in his goal with just one Dialga and Palkia.Masuda is no longer in charge the game
>>58693523Headcanon.
People are arguing uniqueness once again when the games already have established a multiverse and alternate timelines. Multiple pokemon that travel through time or create paradoxes exist. Hoopa makes wormholes for shits and giggles. To try and claim anything as fact at this point is retarded and agenda shilling.
>>58692674>(they kind of gave up in SV however, and they just are here with no reason given)Terapagos. They don't explain it outwardly, but you only get to meet Snacksworth after you capture Terapagos, who's implied to canonically be on your trainer's person at all times since, even if it isn't in your active party of six, it'll pop out of its Poke Ball to summon the professor over in Ktakami.Thus, comes the possible implication that while Snacksworth is rambling about how he supposedly met these legendary Pokemon, Terapagos is going "waow" in its Poke Ball and using its bullshit powers to summon those Pokemon into Paldea, under the genuine belief that "all you need is this here snack, and it'll come right on over!" because Terapagos is basically a stupid child who doesn't know any better.Whether imagination bullshit or spacetime bullshit, Terapagos has the capacity to bring in these Pokemon, just like how its crystals had the power to bring Paradox Pokemon to Area Zero.
>>58693593Mable mentions Mewtwo goes into a sort of vegetative state while building up power. They caught it while it was in such state and nothing they did could stir it so they weren't able to syphon its energy for the Ultimate Weapon. Apparently it only releases its power when it detects a worthy opponent like (You).
>>58693619Imagination was never a thing. You got trolled by Khu, let it go.
>>58693625At no point did I ever place my stake in how Terapagos works or imply I'm pro-imagination, anti-imagination, pro-time travel or anti-time travel.All I did was clarify that no matter what you believe in, it has the power to summon these Pokemon to Paldea, based on the fact we objectively behold byproducts of its power summoning Pokemon that have no natural reason being in Area Zero into Area Zero.
>>58693630It never summons anything. At most we see it create a link between the MC and the past Professor at the lake. The paradox pokemon are in Paldea because of the time machine that the professor built.
>>58693636>three years since the game released>still confused about its eventsCome on dude. Terapagos' pink fart gas connects different points in time which is why Paradox mons are already recorded in the Scarlet/Violet Book long before Sada/Turo builds the time machine using the tera crystals' time powers.
>>58693643I'm well aware of how it works. Never once was it established that there was mass displacement and retrieval of pokemon due to Terapagos. The events in Area Zero related to Heath were a foreshadowing to your interaction and meddling with the professor in the DLC. It's never actually established and purposefully kept vague the details of if or when paradox pokemon inhabited Area Zero.
>>58693650Heath saw them and they match up with what you see so there was some time traveling going on in Area Zero a few centuries ago. That much is firmly established, it's incorrect to say Terapagos never summons anything though if your argument is that Terapagos never summons anything willingly like the other anon suggested, then I agree with that.
>>58693636The time machine that only works because it was built in Area Zero, the place full of Tera Crystals. The same ones that mutated common herbs into Herba Mystica, the same ones that were harvested to create Tera Orbs that allow Pokemon to Terastalize, the same ones that were harvested for Blueberry Academy's Terarium.>Terapagos protects itself using its power to transform energy into hard crystals. This Pokémon is the source of the Terastal phenomenon.>It’s thought that this Pokémon lived in ancient Paldea until it got caught in seismic shifts and went extinct.>Upon sensing danger, it prepares itself for battle by creating a sturdy shell of crystallized Terastal energy.The same ones that only exist because of Terapagos awakening to its full potential in order to avoid death.
>>58693657The time machine that only works because we meet the professor in the past and tell them they built an AI to finish the time machine, which they then do. >>58693655>though if your argument is that Terapagos never summons anything willingly like the other anon suggested, then I agree with that.Correct. I don't know if they will ever expand on its powers more in the future but I'm pretty sure it's just a macguffin that causes time paradoxes when it's necessary for the plot. Heath met someone and was given notes on terastal/tera orbs in the same fashion we shared information with the professor by giving them Briar's book.
>creates legendaries out of thin air from the sheer deliciousness of the food he makes them
>>58693666>because we meet the professor in the past and tell them they built an AI to finish the time machine, which they then do.You're misremembering. That's a completely optional dialogue string that hinges on if you choose to identify the professor as the AI, rather than their actual flesh and blood self. If you never pick "Are you the AI—?!" then the professor will never get the idea from you to make the AI.Not only that, our instance of the fated meeting is one that breaks the cycle spanning an unknowably indefinite length across spacetime, rather than continuing it, given that we take the professor's childhood book from them and instead, definitively, give them the idea to spend more time with their son. And spares that timeline's Sada/Turo from falling into schizophrenic madness, neglecting Arven, and getting themselves killed by their own hubris in the form of the hostile and territorial Koraidon/Miraidon.
>>58693672>gives mad pedo vibes
>>58693673We never see a prior instance of the loop so who's to say that event ever plays out differently? We know from their journal entry in the Underdepths that we will always meet the professor and pass information. We also know that their book has passed into and out of the visual timeline at least twice. There is nothing stopping the professor from realizing their role in the loop and creating another book and claiming its from their childhood. We also don't know if the professor experiences any type of brain fog like Heath did.
>>58693676He struck me more as an inhuman puppet, animated by evil forces
>>58693680Then the AI would have told us that our mission is going to extend beyond turning off the time machine, because the AI would have it in its full interests to ensure the safety and stability of all Paldeas rather than just the Paldea it was built in.What does the AI have to gain from withholding knowledge of the fated meeting if it NEEDS to happen and it NEEDS to send Sada/Turo on the dark path to insanity, when the only way the protagonist will ever achieve this fated meeting is randomly deciding "hmmm... I think I wanna go back to the Crystal Pool in Kitakami" after catching Terapagos?
>>58693688They wouldn't tell us because time paradoxes are bad. That's the major thing that I think most people that discuss this topic don't understand. You don't want a time paradox. Theoretically that can end existence as we know it. If the professor knew the part they played they would 1000% not pass that knowledge and just go through the motions. The AI straight up lies to the MC to get you to do their bidding in Area Zero and kept tabs on you from the moment you entered the school. Acting like they would absolutely tell you anything more is naive.
>>58693692Right, but the safety and stability of all Paldeas isn't guaranteed because, somewhere in the infinite string of the loop, in one of those timelines, the protagonist is never going to think to revisit the Crystal Pool after capturing Terapagos, therefore, Terapagos will never pop out, go "waow" and summon an alternate timeline professor to continue the transcending insanity spiral by passing it onto another poor sap.Infinite monkeys, infinite typewriters, one of them is eventually going to decide "and then the kid never goes there, ever" and it all gets fucked up.
>>58693698That will never happen. The professor is intelligent enough to know that the events will play out naturally because they've already experienced it. You two will always meet. They do not need to meddle or say anything that may possibly derail fate. The fact that not only did they immediately realize the circumstances at the crystal pool, the end of their life's work was working on a functional time machine. They're not stupid or reactionary.
>>58693706Uh-huh, real shame Billy from Timeline 43857389467 never bought the Expansion Pass DLC though, so they never do fulfill fate because they're literally never allowed to go to Kitakami, Blueberry Academy, and thus, will never have the resources to capture Terapagos and continue the cycle.
It's not that unfeasible for there to be more than one Mewtwo. If it's made in a lab, they can make a dozen more.
>>58693708So much for this being a good faith discussion I guess.
>>58693716You lost the moment you had to start writing fanfiction based on circumstances we have literally zero evidence about, instead insisting that the professor is this mustache-twirling psychopath who willingly wants to continue a cycle where all of their counterparts across spacetime must be driven to utter insanity and hubris-induced death, the weight of knowing infinite versions of their beloved son must be neglected and traumatized by an absent parent to a point where the fucking family dog has to be his surrogate parental figure.All I did was make light speculation based on what we know of Terapagos' powers, Terapagos as a character, and recognition that GameFreak would not create a scenario where we are implicitly the villain for buying the DLC, because by buying the DLC, you effectively unknowingly sign a waiver that says "I was indirectly responsible for killing Sada/Turo and ruining my good buddy Arven's upbringing, and all I got for it was this stupid turtle." and are punished when you realize the ramifications of progressing the narrative beyond its base game.
>>58693726You're not very bright. No one is insane, the only one writing fan fiction is yourself. The MC gives the professor a gospel describing the future. You tell them that they succeed. You tell them the name of the Raidon. You tell them their build an AI assistant. The MC has no knowledge that they are the real professor, which means that information was never relayed to them. Briar writes about Area Zero and the paradox pokemon living their harmoniously, meaning the professor has no knowledge of downsides of their success. Honestly if it makes your tiny brain feel better getting a happy ending that the professor frolics with their faggy son and gives up on their dream feel free. You don't really give a shit about the story they told and would rather make up a happy ending for yourself.
>>58693733Again, you're saying GameFreak is willingly punishing the player for purchasing the DLC by putting the onus of "yeah, you caused that could've-been loving parent to die and made your good buddy Arven live a shit life, and you also put Paldea in grave danger because of what the professor did thanks to your knowledge. Thanks for the 30 bucks, you sick fuck." at the forefront, once the player comes across that scene at the Crystal Pool.It's a fucking Spec Ops: The Line kind of bullshit where you're expected to not buy the game at all so the tragedy never happens, but then the developer wouldn't make money, so they have to rugpull you by not telling you what you're signing up for until it's too late.Except Spec Ops: The Line at least cares to make itself an M Rated game where the player won't give a shit, whereas Pokemon is an everyone franchise, I.E. for snot-nosed shitheads who will genuinely feel guilty when they learn everything bad happened directly because of them.
>durr durr durr game can't have a tragic ending it has to be magical christmas land with rainbows and imagination trees I actually emailed Nintendo directly for my refund because the professor was k*lled in the base game, thank you very much. There were no TRIGGER WARNINGS.
>>58693751The ending of base game was already tragic, but it was bittersweet, which is appropriate for a kid's game. Arven finally got the catharsis of knowing his parent truly did love him until the very end of their life, even if they were utterly consumed by their insanity, and that gave him the closure he needed to finally start moving on and making a proper young man of himself.The DLC, if you believe the player does in fact continue the cycle instead of breaking it, actively shits on this by outright telling the player "lol that wouldn't have happened if you never bought the game. professor wouldn't have gone schizo if you didn't get involved because the magic turtle wouldn't have helped you inspire said schizophrenia. this is all your fault and none of this was necessary, but you just HAD to want the new pokemon game. thanks for the money! xD"That shit's what turns a kid from a could-be lifelong Pokemon fan to someone who steers wide and clear away from the franchise, therefore losing a customer who could've spent hundreds upon hundreds in games, merchandise, microtransactions, etc. all because John GameFreak thought it'd be really funny if the DLC had this ebin plot twist that the player was le real villain all along.
Red was in exile on the mountain because of what he did to Mewtwo.
>>58692733Nothing ever suggested that Team Flare was capable of catching mewtwo.
Reminder that Mewtwo is canonically married to CPU Goddess Blueheart Sonichu and dicks xer down every night.
>>58692635>there was no protagonists to get in their wayIs their non-existence really confirmed? Some of the leaders' English dialogues are vague, which you could interpret as there being nobody as capable as USUM's protags to stop them.>Archie: "It makes me wonder… If there was a Trainer like you back in my old world, would I have ever been able to pull off my great dream?">Lysandre: "Maybe...if my world had a Trainer like you, the path I chose could have been different...">Giovanni: "Having a kid stand in front of me like this... Such a thing should never happen. But for some reason, it also makes me feel nostalgic."Dunno about the original Japanese dialogues.
>>58692575Its PLZA plot on top of XY plot. Of course it was going to be idiotic.>>58692562Only retards who blindly follow poketubers "thought" otherwise.>>58692615>mewtwo was created in a labIt was made in a mansion.
>>58692664There was no development team. It was just Fuji.>>58692719>Arceus created them in front of people in ancient Sinnoh which led to passing of some of the specific Canalave myths and the idea of them being creator deities of timespace.The entire premise of PLA makes this impossible anon.
>>58693618The discussion implies "one per world".
>>58693855The bottom floor is very clearly repurposed into a lab as per LGPE.
>>58693501If you played Tears, the only "canon" set of Armour Link gets is the Zora scale Armour, as Mipha had made it as an intended wedding gift in the Zora tradition.>>58693835Since TPC took over localisation, they've been directly translating the Japanese text correctly and faithfully. If the villains in english talk about having no protag trainer stop them, then the Japanese text says something along those lines too.
>>58693604>Digimon out of nowhereMindbroken
>>58693683Is it the nose?
>>58693865> The entire premise of PLA makes this impossible anon.Not particularly? PLA was kind of a nothingburger in terms of answers, purporting itself to be a prequel but still offloading all of the lore to nebulous generations of prior Celestica who are gone/dead.If anything it strengthens the teraleak notes, since Masuda also mentioned that Arceus made Sinnoh inhospitable to the initial people who lived there, out of frustration, when it made the dragons. This is something Volo at least alludes to when explaining why his people left.
>>58694003You outright didn't play PLA if you missed the two clans fighting over which of the 2 cover legends is the real Arceus.
>>58692791There are two Mewtwos, one exists in the mega universe and one exists in the non-mega universe :3
>>58694003PLA pretty much confirm that Arceus is just an avatar of the true Arceus while Dialga & Palkia are also one of Arceus's avatar or the avatar of the true Dialga and Palkia. They even telepathically contact one of the clan leaders into how to produce red chain even when their avatar went "insane" . Not to mention, isn't all the lore of Sinnoh legendary on PLA came from Arceus's plate ? >If anything it strengthens the teraleak notes, since MasudaMasuda is not in charge of the game and removed from the position after XY game . His alone opinion from a Teraleak which was probably scrapped does not actually count. Its like clinging into Takeshi Shudo's opinion on Pokemon being Alien that came to modern world on meteorite and replace actual animal. I mean we already seen Dialga and Palkia actually affecting the pokemon world in the game, are you gonna ignore something directly done in the game over one director opinion from a teraleak that was scarpped. ?
>>58692562To be fair, that doesn't explicitly confirm only one was ever created. They did the same thing with that female Mewtwo where they just repeated the first Mewtwo's backstory with no elaboration.
>>58692892If I were him, I say this:"They're all reinterpretation of the same stories, Anime, Manga, Movies, etc.. They often influence each other but they also contradict. It's up to player/audience to piece it together; so, I'm not in the position to say what is or isn't true. I can only help tell one side of the story (the Games), it's up to others to retell it how they wish.""Though I would admit, not all of the stories I help tell lines up with each other 100%"
>>58693344Team Rocket has nothing to do with Mewtwo's creation in the gamesMr. Fuji (who may or may not have had the help of Blaine) found a Mew, and developed Mewtwo from there, following Mewtwo's escape he hid away the Mew he found, and lived the rest of his life helping Pokemon It's never so much as implied Team Rocket are aware of Mewtwo in the games
>>58693501Yeah, it's pretty obvious most protagonists don't canonically go for 100% completionArguably the PLA protagonist did, since catching all Pokemon is the main over arcing plot point, but that's it really I do think Red most likely encountered Mewtwo, since there's setup for meeting it (Pokemon Mansion) and it functions as the final boss of the Kanto games, but clearly he didn't catch it, or if he did, he released it, since it's around for many other gamesRGBY Red could be argued to have caught Mewtwo, since Mewtwo is nowhere to be found in GSC, but he never uses it
Mewtwo is also a lazy fuck, so even though they caught it, they couldn't get it to actually do anything, so they just gave up on it
>>58693868One player = One world. The rest of shit is lore to fill an empty book for world building what is up to (You) to fill it. And also guided by a incompetent game company.
>>58694402Pretty much what >>58694308 suggested: they steer away from that kind of language because they wanted players to make their own stories with the roles they provided them with; All interpetations of the same worlds the Game Freak gave them.
>>58694279Not OP but the notion that more than 1 was created because of it being in Kalos was always retarded. Burden of proof is on multiple.
>>58694402Just because games for kids are to complex for you doesn't mean we have to dumb down for you.
>>58693759Regardless of what the MC does at the end of the video game is meaningless. In order to get to that point the loop have to continue an indefinite amount of times. You are the reason Arven's parent dies countless times. Whether the professor decides to stop now doesn't matter, you've already killed Arven's parent in the present.
>>58692562You know Pokemon work with the multiverse theory, right?
>>58694634Yes but there are only two relevant universesThe universe where the pre-Gen 6 games takes place, and the universe where Gen 6 and onwards take place
>>58694557It's traditional that they put a mysterious thing behind on past games without clear answer because they don't have it (yet). But once that mysterious thing reveals, it's going to be a very disappointment. Hack writing 101.
>>58694635>Yes, but [headcanon]
>>58694658That's not headcanon, those are the facts we're told in-game
>>58694667facts told by a poketuber maybe.
>>58694575I'm not saying there's proof there's more than one, just that you can't assume one or the other unless explicitly stated, because the franchise has done 2 Mewtwos with no explanation so there's precedent for either case.
>>58694696>because the franchise has done 2 Mewtwos with no explanationNo one sane cares about the ashnime.
>>58694707It's literally what shapes everyone's view of the Pokemon world
>>58694667Where is it stated in XY? Because I'm pretty sure Gen 5 and Gen 7 say there's a lot of different universes, and while ORAS implies some weird shit it's not written by the usual writers and is explained by a fucking insane person in universe so I'm pretty sure that's less reliable than the other two examples. This isn't even getting into the also not written by the usual writer Let's Go which is a whole mess on it's own, it's better not to think about it.
>>58694729NTA but Zinnia did confirm her tribe observed both worlds. The "Zinnia is crazy" cope is even more retarded than misinterpreting her words.
>>58692562Deepest lore
>>58694349There was some implication in the sense that they wanted to get ahold of both Mr Fuji (what else would they want a random old man who works at an orphanage for?) and Sylph Co. that was currently developing the masterball - and we know for a fact they had moles in the company.Sure coming in posession of Sylph and the master ball is valuable on the monetary value alone, but Giovanni didn't seem like he intended to stay in Saffron and taking over a whole city is a risky overt move for an underground organization to take without a followup plan.Plus in the world where he won Giovanni got a mewtwo, in a master ball.
>>58692630You know that (and based on the Ashnime movie at that), the characters in-universe don't.You think TR made Mewtwo's existent known to the public or something?
>>58696413Anyone can go in the pokemon mansion and figure it out. How else would team flare know about it.
>>58694349>Mr. Fuji (who may or may not have had the help of Blaine) found a Mew, and developed Mewtwo from thereWait, is that why the mansion on Cinnabar is burned down?
>>58696508No shit sherlock.
