https://tiermaker.com/create/-all-74-mega-evolutions-both-new-and-old--12145Now that the Mega Dimensions is out, time to rank every mega evolution for the last time
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>>58725142Whats the reason for the latis to be in different tiers when they both look the same
>>58725146because they look the same. The design is fine enough but there's no reason for them to look so similar I can't tell them apart. They're interchangeable really
As I'm putting mine I together I'm finding that most of the ZA megas are top tier or bottom tier for me, almost no in between
>>58725194>W11
>>58725217>very clearly w10???
I literally do not understand how we got so many new megas where the design barely changes but then Heatran comes and and damn near fucking everything changes and it looks SICK literally and figuratively?
out of my way, peasants
>>58725141Froslass belongs nowhere near peak
I don't feel strongly about Tiers B and C. They could be merged and it would still be accurate
>>58725072in no particular order based solely on design. I do appreciate most people here understand just how great mega beedrill is
Splitting hairs in the middle tiers is a pain; the lines blur.I didn't include Darkrai or Floette because I haven't formed an opinion on their designs
>>58725501>Omega Soul>not Mega Groudonsoulless
I'm glad ZA is over, it can't hurt my eyes anymore
purely based on design, i'm surprised by how few of these designs i like as a whole
Can't tell if it's accurate and unbiased. But this is how I feel about megas overall
Excluded the primals because they're not really megas design-wise.
>>58725717>Fateful to the original designZoomerbro?
>>58725072I just made my list very quickly but surprisingly I think I liked the way it turned out. I think I have a little too much in S tier but when I look at them, I can't really put them any lower than that even if I'm indifferent to the actual mon itself. A lot of the new za megas I still need to see in action, 2d drawing, animated etc... so my opinion will prob change
I like most mega designs but a lot of the recent ones feel below average compared to previous releases from XY and ORAS
>>58725072Most Megas are shit.
I don't care for most Megas. They usually either fail to be cooler/more "powered up" than the Pokemon's base form, or just look fucking stupid.
A lot of bangers this go around.
>>58725072Tiers not in order.Pikachu X is A only with shiny, otherwise DDelphox would be A if it didn't have the beard and had a witch hatAbsol Z would be A or even S if it had proper demon wingsMewtwo Y would be A if it was a woman
>>58725072didn't order them in the tiers at all, just went on gut reaction
DLC ZA megas > base game ZA megas overall, which I guess makes sense.
I'd question anyone's taste who doesn't put Megatr and Starmie below average and Zard X above average.You'd have to be molested as a child to have such inexplicable shit taste.
>>58726061they’re called redditors
Something like this
>>58726074redditors love Mega Gatr Mega Starmie because of the hecking wholesome keanu reeves goody concept and epic references that makes them feel very smart for knowing, and hate Mega Charizard X for being too edgy, way to tell on yourself redditor
While I think there are worse looking megas than Mega Toilet and Mega Victrebell, they are the worst for me because I actually quite liked the base forms and had some hope the megas would be tight. Very unfortunate.I also found the ZA DLC batch more solid than the base game batch, less memes and lazy references in general
>>58726215you should really learn to read
>>58726061>noooo you cant like a mega because its funny or simpleI understand the Feraligatr argument but there's nothing wrong with liking Mega Starmie.
>>58726224Ok you poor victim. You can always contact the authorities btw
>>58725072imo they released both some really good and some really terrible megas this gen
Warms my heart at least that Mega Fecaligatr is bottom tier trash on almost all lists.The hecking concept redditors lost
>>58725072With time, the "moar spikes" designs stopped annoying me as much as they did 10 years ago
>>58726295>someone likes something I don't? I must call them THE RAPEDit seems my tastes, or rather what seems to be the general opinion, have directly impacted your life, I can't help you with your personal issues, but maybe Mega Starmie could.
>>58726224>Posts shit art that proves our point and thinks this is a dunkDo yourself and everyone else a favour and get off the internet, as well as this franchise
anyone who likes mega starmie is a complete tastelet, on an objective level. Its design has been changed so little that it would, could, and does only appeal to people who don't take any design considerations whatsoever into account. As in, specifically, someone with no design sensibilities whatsoever: The ONLY appeals it could provide are:>a quick jokeand>a referencewith nothing of substance beyond that. Thus, anyone who ranks it highly is only viewing it at the most superficial level; it's like a literal child's view of the world. No thought behind the decisions (and, even, decisions made arbitrarily and without cause, such that his or her opinions might would vary if prompted at any given time, with the only consistency to those opinions being the reptilian urge to defend his or her decisions previously made).Keep this in mind when someone says anything positive about mega starmie: this individual is incapable of depth of thought, and you can in fact infer this through his or her opinion on that design.
>All these list ranking Mega Pidgeot low but ranking Mega Staraptor highPidgeot gets zero respect
>>58726403>When you know the Mega Starmie defenders for the most part are those who never gave a toss about Starmie until it got its "new thing" but can't quite prove it>>58726403It's literally flanderization on a design level, and "people" somehow are unable to grasp it. Reducing things down to a joke never works well in the long run.
>>58726438pidgeot deserves a busted special movepool. Give my boy blizzard, and thunder, and fire blast. Just Focus Blast and Hurricane (and heat wave LOL) aren't enough for it to be useful with no guard.
>>58726391It was the one I had most at hand, and no>>58726403I like aliens, I liked Starmie from the get go because it was an alien starfish, I like that they doubled down on the idea and made it longer in order to have a more human shape, it's funny it's trying to mimic humans in order to replace them or save them, beyond the reference points which are plenty, Staryu already had the name HitodeMAN which is literally Starfish man. I mean, even putting aside all of this, I fail to see, from a design standpoint, how someone who dislikes Mega Starmie would per say put Mega Venusaur on a higher level, or Mega Chandelure or any other mega that just grows bigger, when they vastly do less with their conceptI know I'm preaching to the choir here but people used to praise when TPCI used to make Pokemon around the features of their generation like Klinklang or Aegislash who worked best in their respective gens due to their motionsPokemon like Mega Slowbro also got to shine with Legends Z-A because of their animationsSo how come the Ultraman Starfish doesn't get the same merit? I genuinely don't get it, we laughed over stuff like pedobear in this board before, did the humor die out?
>>58726403yep
Honestly I don't even mind that they did a haha funny maymay mega for Starmie, what annoys me the most is that they literally just stretched its legs and called it a day. Laziest mega bare none, they could have at the very least changed its color scheme a bit or added some details on it here and there. It feels more like some meme regional varient like Alolan Exeggutor than anything else, and if anything Alolan Exeggutor has a lot more thought put into it than Mega Starmie
>>58726501I disagree with the color changing, at that point it would be like Mega Skarmory or Magearna or Raichu X whose shinies are preferable because they look more like the base Pokemon's colors, which is kinda redundant, because if the Mega Pokemon's shiny is just the regular colored base Pokemon, and people prefer that, then you are doing something clearly wrong thereAlso always liked how Starmie shares a few core (heh) traits with Deoxys and the mega further enchances that connection
>>58726506>at that point it would be like Mega Skarmory or Magearna or Raichu X whose shinies are preferable because they look more like the base Pokemon's colorsyou just have awful taste apparently. stopped reading there.
>>58725072S - Favourite designsA - Worthy of being called a "mega" version of a PokemonB - Fine but kind of weird loookingC - UglyD - Pointless
>>58726516yeah nah. The shiny looks better when it has the default color of the base one.
>>58726438Mega Pidgeot looks awful, Mega Staraptor looks good. That’s why.Which says a lot about heir Mega, considering base Pidgeot is the one that looks good and base Staraptor looks shitty
>>58725717>mega venusaur>goofy shit??
>>58726520>it's better because I'm more familiar with it!I bet you just eat chicken nuggets and french fries every day too
>>58726526>Mega Pidgeot looks awful,>considering base Pidgeot is the one that looks goodmega pidgeot is pidgeot with anime hair and bigger wings with highlighted tips on its feathers. You have an insane, unjustifiable opinion.
>>58726544I drink water every day does that count
>>58726526I don't like Mega Pidgeot either but he's a Super Saiyan next to Baby Vegeta
>>58726493There is only so many times where you can make the epic reference meme joke before it gets tired. Mega Starmie is a Starmie with stretches out legs. Cool cool, very funny, comedy gold. And after the first laugh you have nothing. I get the angle they were going for, but they could gave made an effort. Maybe change the jewel a bit. Anything
>>58726493Normally I should be sticking to my personal rule of not squabbling with Mega Starmie lovers because it's a waste of time but I'll contradict myself for this time and bite.>Staryu already had the name HitodeMAN which is literally Starfish manStaryu and Starmie are a neat mishmash of starfish/alien/floating-shuriken that has some humanoid traits. Never did we deny that Staryu-line has these traits. What's problematic is making this ALL about its mimicry of humans in spite of everything else that makes it nuanced. Not even the early sprite art of them was this hard on pushing the humanoid concept, neither does the later games where it gives them animations where they float as they spin.>how someone who dislikes Mega Starmie would per say put Mega Venusaur on a higher levelThe difference is that albeit the addition is small, it doesn't turn it into a joke while REDUCING from it's other traits. It's not a pure frog, it's not pure plant, it is faithful to its original concepts with a few more cosmetics, and it's not a non-joke being turned into a joke.>or Mega Chandelure or any other mega that just grows biggerIf you think Mega Chandelure just grows bigger, you aren't cut out for discussing design choices anyway. Once again, Chandelure stays faitful to its overall character, a possessed illuminating object in the form of a chandelier (before as a candle and then lamp) with spectral flames that lures people. Plus objectmons can be more relaxed with their ornaments without looking like shit. Staryu and Starmie aren't objects. They don't fall into the same design philosophy.
>>58726604>people used to praise when TPCI used to make Pokemon around the features of their generation like Klinklang or Aegislash who worked best in their respective gens due to their motionsOnce again, objectmons. Not same philosophies, and they started out as their own things and stayed faitfhul to their concepts. Staryu begun as an alien starfish (it's ultimately a fucking water-type) with a human mimicry flavour and deviated from its base ground and went full on flavour. Would you like a dish if it was turned into 90% salt?>Mega SlowbroBad parallel, once again. Mega Slowbro is not a bombastic design and controversial at best. It's a retarded unaware mon. It was never cool in the meaning of kick-ass. Its goofiness is what makes it endearing, and they went with making him end up in an unfortunate situation to showcase it.I know this is going to fall in deaf ears because I'm yet to see an example where it didn't.Fuck the designers and fuck those who like this piece of trash, enabling the continuation of the humiliation of otherwise cool characters.
>>58726607My ESL kicked in and I forgot to spellcheck, but I don't want to give this more effort than it deserves anyway.
>>58725256Regular heatran looks like a peice of shit with corn stuck in it, anything would've been an upgrade desu
>>58726544To me it's better because it doesn't look more like pikachu than raichu
I'm sensing a pattern...
>>58726584>Epic reference meme jokewhy do you keep spouting nonsense, genuinely? You still got an alien starfish. we have literally nothing like this in Pokemon.
I'd like to see the data for which opinions are most correlated. If you like mega starmie, which other opinions are you most likely to have? You know that kind of thing. Might have enough posts ITT to glean usable info here.
>>58726675anon designs being held up by epic meme references is getting tiresome.
Does Golisopod still have emergency exit coded into the game like with Regigigas?
>>58726604>Not even the early sprite art of them was this hard on pushing the humanoid conceptAnon do I even bother to read the rest of your post? You started off with posting an image that contradicts exactly what you said. You can see it shmooving in the red sprite, lying down backwards in the Yellow, just flat out lying down in Silver that's not even asymmetrical he's like he's floating on water like a person, got it moving again in Crystal.For Starmie he's just straight up hitting the Mega intro pose without bending the arms to look like the Starman from Earthbound. Silver, Crystal and Emerald are comically human looking, with FireRed being the bland exception (as everything else in FireRed) sincerely I thought you were trying to make a point here, not reinforce mine
>>58726604>Not even the early sprite art of them was this hard on pushing the humanoid concept, neither does the later games where it gives them animations where they float as they spin.It's funny how people tend to forget Pokemon has been 3D since Gen 1.https://youtube.com/watch?v=OE8B7q5aoHU
>>58726694>contradicts exactly what you saidOk now I'm convinced either you are blind or have damage in your brain
>>58726694>lying down backwards in the Yellow, just flat out lying down in Silver that's not even asymmetrical he's like he's floating on water like a person,like a normal goddamn fucking starfish you meanmegastarmiefags are shitbrained subhumans
>>58726702Wow guess what starfish are named after in Japan, you're not going to believe it.
>>58726704WE GET THAT IT'S A REFERENCE. THAT DOES NOT EXCUSE IT BEING A SHORT-SIGHTED MONODIMENSIONAL THOUGHTLESS EXECUTION OF THAT REFERENCE.
>>58726702>Gives examples that it's not purely standing bipedal, there is variation>Look it's standing upright in some sprites and modelsFucking KEK
>>58726699dont bother anon, they wont even check the link because they are deluded and short-sighted.
>Completely missing the point
>>58726706That's not what a reference is though, it's a reference to a Warning from Space, as well as Earthbound's Starman, which Creatures Inc themselves designed the creatures, from which Mewtwo is even a very obvious rip-off of Giygas.That's a reference. Staryu's name being a pun over the fact that japs named Starfish after humans is not a reference, it's called a callback. Mega Starmie as a whole is a callback to it being depicted more humanly in the 3D games as well as the anime.>Hurr but the future gamesThe future 3D games have and always will be mocked for it's awful animations that's not the hill you want to die on.
>>58726730>it's not a reference, it's a callback!Kill yourself you disingenuous brainless faggot
>screeches like a manchild when proven wrongyou never liked Starmie you just wanted something to be mad about you underaged faggot. go actually play the Pokemon games you skipped over and return only when you are done.
>>58726675Wow that's cool, sure wish that was reflected on Mega Starmie in any meaningful way other than the epic joke of stretching out the pokémon that has been done like 3 times before
>>58726746It literally is though, down to the fact that it's legs aren't actually stretched and it looks like a man in a cheap movie costume, much like the Warning from Space stars. That and the Ultraman factor in the animations. I don't know why idiocy keeps spreading insisting that this is some sort of meme, just as forced as the people comparing it to Patrick.
>>58726757>it's legs aren't actually stretched>also it's a reference! Don't you get it???>It's not a meme cus um it's totally not a silly design guys totally serious
>>58726757That's literally just the Starmie model with legs stretched out. Do you think other people don't have eyes or something?
>>58726743Do you not even know what the word "disingenuous" means?
>keeps defaulting back to "it's a reference don't you get it???"not beating the "unable to think" allegations
>>58726403proven right several times itt
>>58726773disingenuous is to argue in bad faith which is exactly what you are doing, funnily enough. I have provided evidence to Starmie moving exactly like Mega Starmie does right now, more humanoid'ish and characterized. He does this across Stadium, Stadium 2, Colosseum, DX, and Battle Revolution, as well as the anime in general having it act like a person often, even for the few times it actually shows up.I think it's disingenuous to argue that "Starmie isn't depicted like that" and then not concede on being wrong about it, it just shows your age.
>>58726790>>58726604>Never did we deny that Staryu-line has these traits. What's problematic is making this ALL about its mimicry of humans in spite of everything else that makes it nuanced.>>58726730>That's not what a reference is though, [...] it's called a callback.yeah I'm the one being disingenuous here when you're intentionally misrepresenting arguments and attempting (and failing) to argue semantics. Do you even realize you're arguing with a bunch of different people btw? I think there's at least 3 of us here calling you a retard in turn.
>>58726757>it looks like a man in a cheap costumeYou understand that's not a good thing right? A design being synonymous with "a cheap costume" is a complete fail. No artist in their right mind wants to make players say "wow, this pokemon looks a cheap movie costume".
>>58725072S-B are ordered, the rest I couldn't be bothered.
>>58726816Forgot image >.>
>>58726798If it takes 3 retards to argue and you still can't win the argument then you might wanna call it quits.>What's problematic is making this ALL about its mimicry of humans in spite of everything else that makes it nuanced.Mega Steelix completely loses the ability to dig through tunnels, Mega Aggron literally cannot move due to its armor parts being locked through each other, a lot of the megas just hyper focus on one characteristic of the Pokemon in exchange of all others, it's literally nothing new and has never been a problem.>>58726809That's what makes it good and funny though, and it makes it uncanny like the Majora's Mask.
>>58726833>If it takes 3 retards to argue and you still can't win the argument then you might wanna call it quits.a retard refusing to back down does not an argument won make. Kill yourself.
>>58726841Certainly not, but losing your cool and having no response to give is a signal of a lost argument. Not that I expected my victory to ever change your mind, you are hell-bent on this idea that Starmie doubling down on its humanoid mimic characteristics is some kind of sin, there's no saving you.
>>58726833>You see the joke is that it's lazy and looks like shitI sure ish GF would sometime try the jpke being "we put in effort"
>>58726854They already did that, it's called Scarlet and Violet. Go look at the budget.
>>58726852>hurr durr I made you mad so you lose!!!you're literally just stupid, there's no arguing with stupid. Go back and re-read the discussion a few more times and MAYBE you'll get something out of it, but your ignorance and duplicity make further engagement with you at an intellectual level a fruitless task. So, go kill yourself! Moron.
>>58726833>>58726852>Thinks 3 people are trying to win an internet argument against an idiotDon't think too highly of yourself. All you proved here was how shallow megastarmiefags are and that they keep repeating the same moot points to save their excuse for a mega from criticism.
>>58725072No idea how anyone can like this absolute garbage
>>58726403>say this>thread immediately devolves into a single m-starmie defender shows up saying "YOU DON'T GET THE REFERENCE" "BUT LOOK HOW HECKING FUNNY IT IS" "BUT YOU SEE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A MAN IN A SUIT" and everyone else calling him an illiterate retard over and over againlol
>>58725072no order within tiers
>>58726326even leddit is extremely divided on that thing
>>58725072>Personal favorites>Drastically improves the original design>Improves the original design>Design is of roughly equal or slightly lesser quality to the original>Actively makes the design worse
I need more time to sit with the newer megas of course but im starting to notice that the number of megas i either dont like or care about is slowly outweighing the number of ones that i do like which i find to be a shame (there isnt any order in the tiers btw)
Why do people like Mega Gengar? Its official art looks horrifically disproportionate like when somebody with no art fundamentals tries to draw anything that isn't head-on perspective. The 3D model looks somehow arguably worse and the big yellow eye is so garish. There's almost no part of the design that works for me. Not trying to yuck anyone's yum because it's clearly popular but I'm so curious why outside Because Gengar.
>design is still King Can't dethrone the ZARD.
>>58727807I actually don’t like base Gengar, but I do like Haunter. Mega Gengar has base Gengar emphasizing its Haunter parts very strongly, and I’ve always liked third eyes + purple and yellow, so Gengar’s mega pretty much became a favorite of mine on accident.
>>58727837It’s funny, my opinion of this was low back when it was shown and it’s only gone up since then.
>>58727807Not a fan of base Gengar and not a die-hard fan of Mega, but what I like is that it does not look like a walking fatso ball masquerading as a ghost. It improves on the base. It looks properly demonic and ghostly like Haunter, and keeps the uncanny grin. The lower half phasing through during movement also helps. The small feet that get revealed while it's in the air look ass though.
Beedrill remains the king of good Megas IMO.
>>58727837I'm sorry I doubted Charizard, I faltered in my devotion. I was hoping Mega Dragonite would look good and I got a faggot that isn't even Fairy-type. I was hoping Mega Chomp Z would be solid and I got the laziest thing imaginable. I will never again falter in my devotion to the Zard. There's no point trying to fight the Eternal Shillmon. I must embrace it.
>>58727837>>58727881Never fight against the kid inside you.He knows better, and you know that too.
I really hate several pokémon in one
>>58727665And I should mention, I can't really bring myself to hate almost any Megas, even like half of the ones I think are bad could be moved to mid tier.
I still dont know what to think about darkraiDon't hate those in D just indifferent
>>58726061Toilet is trash but Starman is kino, I unironically don't get why it's so divisive. Japan seems to love it while NA/EU hate it.
Mostly "old thing good, new thing bad" but mostly because I don't like goofy design and a lot of the new mega were goofy.
>>58728019Japan likes memes and references that are well done. They're loving starmie but they aren't too fond of gatr much like the rest. The reason the west is so divisive on starmie is because starman is a Japanese superhero there akin to like spiderman here so of course they'll love it more. It's simply a cultural thing. I can't blame people for disliking it. This is simply a design catered towards the asian audience
>>58728019Ah shit I didn't read further and see the thread was like 70% bitching about it, my bad. I still like it though. I enjoy alt forms and the like that exaggerate a feature to change the tone of a design, like A-Exeggutor or Mega Sableye.
>>58728035I remember checking it on pixiv and seeing a pic of running Starmie made ages ago and the artist had come back to tag it mega starmie. All the comments were funny.But yeah, love Starman.
>>58725072I don't care for most Megas so my tierlist isBest>Mega GolisopodI'm attached but it's just ok>Mega Pinsir>Mega BeedrillI won't see these in gameplay so I don't care>Everything elseKill it>Toilet Gatr
>>58726061Zard X is just kinda dull. Take generic dragon, make it edgier. In a franchise with over 1000 designs I just don't care about a dragon that looks like every other dragon in every other piece of media that uses dragons. You're right that Mega Feraligatr is dogshit though.
>>58728019>I unironically don't get whyIf you somehow missed every Mega Starmie rant on /vp/ thus far and want an extremely simplified explanation, because I'm not repeating all the stuff above, here it is:It is hated because just like the toilet is ugly, mega starmie is ugly. Just as no amount of references and jokes helps the toilet's case, no amount of references and jokes helps starmie's case. It's. Just. Ugly. It looks like a fallen-from-grace version of the mon if its copyright ended and fell into third-party hands.
>>58728062>Take generic dragon, make it edgierKids like edge. Teens (when they aren't busy trying to be contrarians like edge). Young adults (when they aren't busy trying to be contrarians like edge). And older adults also like edge. Ultimately, a edgier design with spikes is better than many other design choices. I use to hate spikes too but ultimately, they're not really that offensive
>>58728076I did see after posting, though I disagree. I think it looks very classic in tone. The model leaves a bit to be desired but I feel that way about ZA in general, I dislike the changes and how everything feels both oddly glossy in a different way from the overtly shiny metal textures in SV while somehow being more claylike as well.
>>58725072people who dislike Mega Starmie do not deserve the right to speak their mind
>>58728077But being into edgy things is itself contrarian. It's the whole reason its associated with being a teen. Your taste never changing is a sign of stunted growth not sticking it to contrarianism. By the time I hit my thirties I'd become so sentimental I can't enjoy the same edgelord humor and violence that made up so much of my teens and early twenties.
>>58728077kids teens and young adults are morons. older adults who like edge are manchildren so they're also morons.
>>58728036I'd fucking prefer it if it were a regional instead of wasting the mega slot on that design.
>>58728076but it's not ugly. it's a simple sleek purple design with a glowing gem in the center surrounded by gold. what part of it is "ugly"?
>>58728140I always prefer regionals in general because temporary forms feel bad to me, same goes for G-max.
We're not doing this again. Go back and read the above posts if you have questions.
>>58728125>edgy things is itself contrarianIt is now because fandoms as a whole have shifted to less edgy/cuter/rounder designs. Edge was really popular during 1990s to 2000s but there was quite a shift from mid 2010s onwards
>>58728152Meant for>>58728145
>>58728125>Your taste never changing is a sign of stunted growthOr you just know what you like and are consistent on it.
>>58728153and WHY do you think edge was popular in the 1990s-2000s anons?..
>>58728076Nothing about Mega Starmie screams ugly, what?
>>58728163You're using the word consistent because it traditionally has positive connotations but no, liking the same exact things at 5, 15, 25 and 35 is not something to admire. At that point you're either a manchild or an incurious person. There are endless things about life you're not even close to understanding and appreciating until you're out of your developmental stages.
>people like MStarmie because its funny>somehow this gets tourists on this website upsetand the funny thing is, it still made it to the divegrass team, pretty sure the majority even here on this very board likes it
>>58728196>me be age 5, likes chocolate>me be age 15, likes chocolate>me be age 25, likes chocolate>me be age 35, likes chocolateWhat's wrong with this? It does not prevent you from liking other things
>>58728196>Completely shafting the things you liked in your childhood wonderNo thanks. I know my interests, and will continue liking them until a better version of it comes along.
>>58728203It's goofy in a way that I find endearing, and I love it for that.
Not ranked in any specific order. Looking at it again I would put a couple of megas in decent down to mid, like Heatran.
>>58728203>touristsWhen talking about a mon characteristically liked by leddit>comp presence/success is supposed to make it look better magicallyA lot of ugly mons get used in comp because they are mechanically viable. Your fucking point?
>>58728158the posts above were stupid and only proved mega starmie haters are mouthbreathers
>>58728076Mega Starmie is disliked because some people don’t care about the reference. The design itself is bland as fuck, literally all it has going for it is the reference.>>58728196The utter irony of this statement is absolutely hilarious.
>>58728240it's starmie (one of the top 5 designs in the series) but with more personality. if you don't like that then I don't know what to say
>>58728240>The utter irony of this statement is absolutely hilarious.This but for the moron at >>58728231>>58728248>more personality>it's just stretched legs
>>58728248Hey man, I’m not judging if you understood the reference and like it as a result.
>>58728240I don't care about the reference and I think Mega Starmie is fine. It's not amazing, but it's nowhere near the level of garbage that toilet gatr is. The thing gaining legs and doing a cursed run is fine, but no more than that. I think of it the same way I do megas like Audino, Gallade, or Aerodactyl, which is to say I shrug and put it in my PC then never use it because my favorite has a Mega that I love already. It doesn't make me feel disgust like the gatr or Pyroar, it doesn't make me feel like it's a waste that should have been a permanent evo or regional that I can see all the time like Gengar or Froslass.
>Mega Starmie is only liked because le referenceNo, it's liked because people think an alien starfish suddenly growing longer limbs and animating like a guy in a shitty suit is funny. I GUARANTEE you the reception would be the same whether people "got it" or not
>>58728226>When talking about a mon characteristically liked by ledditIts liked by everyone in general thats not a Reddit thing>A lot of ugly mons get used in comp because they are mechanically viable. Your fucking point?We dont have Mega Starmie in comp, do you not know what Divegrass is lmao?
>>Mega Starmie is only liked because le reference>NoSure seems like a lot of people use it as a defence, as if it makes any difference. Just like other shit megas when they're pointed out to be bad.
>>58728266That’s cheating, anything would look good next to one of the worst designs in the series. yes, I am referring to mega gatr
>>58728289>do you not know what Divegrass is lmao?Yea I didn't know, touche. I just made a quick search and it seemed like a comp related thing. That said, doesn't seem to be relevant enough to be a point in favour, huh?
>>58728255>he judges a design by still images and not motionsure sure and the moron somehow isn't you>>58728258nothing to do with whatever its referencing (which people can't even agree on), I don't watch rubber costume shows (though my friends do)it simply looks like starmie but it runs around towering over others in a good mix of strange and funny movement. it's as near to being objectively good as anything can be.
>>58728325overall god taste but I'd move mega malamar considerably up. The rest all have acceptable placings
>>58728371>>he judges a design by still images and not motion>moron thinks it's the motion that makes it good
>>58728255>its just stretched legsI agree with this statement, it didnt really give it more personality because it already HAD that personality, but not in the main games. It had it in the manga, it had it in the anime, it had it in the 3D games, but the mainline game's Starmie is bland and boring as fuck, Mega Starmie feels like its bringing all that personality back that it had lost for 3 whole generations of 3D, thats why I like it, its a fun pokemon again.
>>58728390Seeing a Pokemon move is actually important, especially with how most of them are build with motion showing their function, for example I genuinely think Mega Magearna is a failure in every aspect seeing they removed every motion aspect that Magearna had that made it really cute and standout. same goes for someone like Armarouge or Veluza. A lot of the megas new and old got a new life breathed into them just seeing them in motion for Z-A.
>>58728433>But what the hecking personality, look at the referencino and concept!Don't care nigger, it's a starmie with stretched legs, it's lazy and looks like shit
>>58728467Starmie was never a good design.
>>58726479Further proving this lmao
>>58728467Youre in the minority thinking that also, if anything Mega Starmie has been the mega evolution to benefit Z-A the most in terms of sold copies
>>58728493Sample of opinions in this thread says otherwise, only shills and redditors like Patrick Starmie
>>58728497Trust me, I hate the niggers that scream about Patrick Starmie as much as anyone, its a funny alien design, not some Spongebob meme that they try to force upon it.
>>58728504But Mega Starmie is a meme, that only exists for the joke of haha long legs xD, so the Patrick comparisons are well warranted
>>58728326I deliberately avoid that because it's the same defense that people mount for Mega Pyroar, which is the literal posterchild for "I don't care about the concept, it's ugly" even more than the toilet.Personal preference is just that Mega Starmie is okay and people vastly overblow the actual design just being legs on a slightly bigger Starmie. I think it's executed fine but the model doesn't do it any favors and is a victim of the same issues I have with the new models of Pokemon like Tyranitar. I don't mind designs like that and I think the biggest flaw is that the model looks like they just pulled the bottom down or meshed it to a different skeleton.
>>58728497Japan apparently loves it so he's not necessarily wrong considering it was targeted to them culturally.
>>58728289>Its liked by everyone in general>>58728493>Youre in the minorityLet's just look at the lists ITT and see how people ranked it shall we?>Above average: 12>Mid: 7>Below average: 26>OH MY GOOFERINOS! IT'S LIKED BY EVERYBODY! EVEN IF NOT IT'S SURELY THE MAJORITY!Get the fuck out of here
>>58728509It being a funny design that warrants a bunch of memes is one thing, another is drawing unfunny comparisons to something that has nothing to do with its design, if anything it resembles Majora's Incarnation to me when in motion, the uncannyness of it makes it funny
>>58728532Add another one to the shit count with >>58728530
I think Mega Starmie is absolute garbage because generally the react I want when I see is a mega is>Wow that's a cool fantasy creature I may actually look up the design inspirationand not>I CLAPPED, I CLAPPED WHEN I RECOGNIZED THE HECKING REFERENCEOr whatever other brain-rotted, irony-poisoned reaction zoomers like to do
>>58725072Chimecho and Staraptor hard carry the DLC>>58726438Nah I like both
>>58728449Ironically enough I think Veluza actually looks worse when using fillet away, it shows that the innards are just a flat sheet of plastic that looks like the base of certain types of children's model kits that slot pieces onto a central flat part. I get they can't show gore even of a fish but man it doesn't redeem that little shit from all the annoying ambushes it pulls.
>>58728534Nah, looks more like Patrick long legs, cope and seethe
>>58728541>NOOO EVERYONE HAS TO AGREE WITH ME OR I'LL SPERG OUT AND SEETHE NONSTOPPPPPP
>>58728546>>Wow that's a cool fantasy creature I may actually look up the design inspirationThats exactly what Mega Starmie is though. And the funny thing is most of the Pokemon even back in Gen 1 are a reference to something which is ironic when you use this argument against Starmie.
a mega cannot be good because it's a retarded idea to begin with
>>58728556>That's exactly what mega starmie is>Literally Patricklmao
>>58728546I don't have any strong opinions on Mega Starmie either way because it's forgettable filler, but I will say that megas having to be "cool" is fucking retarded.
>>58728564go off Western man.https://youtu.be/KBb9YzysT28
>>58728568There are unserious mega that work because Gamefreak actually tried a little with the design and didn't just stretch the legs on Blender
>>58728568It should fit the established character. Stuff like Slowbro ought to get goofy mega that's not "cool" in regular terms but still fits to him .
>>58728572>Mega Starmie fag is a weebThe least surprising thing of today
>>58728582you are on a basket weaving forum.
>>58728582Japan cocksuckers are really cringe desu desu
>>58728582>>58728592Japanese franchise.Japanese board.Japanese world.
>>58728660>Japanese board.Lies. Everyone knows Japanese people can't speak English to save their lives.
>>58728206>>58728207It’s funny to use food as an example because your palate changing over time is a textbook example. Kids tend to gravitate towards extreme flavors like sour things and often start out picky before expanding their appreciation for other foods. 35 year old manchildren who still only eat nuggies are rightfully seen as pathetic. “I know what I like” is some closed off boomer dad shit. Also feel like this has gotten away from the original argument which was never that Charizard is bad. I just tended to find it less interesting over time compared to the rest of the franchise in the same way I sought out more challenging books and movies as I got older rather than rereading Harry Potter in between Disney movie marathons. Charizard has its place and I get why it’s popular. I’m just less tickled by “Just an orange dragon” than I once was.
>>58728707That anon’s example was literally just chocolate.
>>58728707You're spouting bs to keep up this "not changing interests is le bad" nonsense.Just say you've grown out of it and move on.
>>58725072Made it in about three minutes and made snap judgments aside from Beedrill tier and mega toiletdile tierI should also mention that Beedrill is not even in my top 50 favorite pokemon. I just think he looks that fucking cool.
>>58728669memery is an universal language
I do find it funny how the thread is mostly arguing about mega Starmie but at the bare minimum everyone agrees the toilet is (for) shit. It's almost impressive that it's that disliked.
>>58728783Is it impressive? It genuinely has no redeeming qualities, its a cute Totodile but thats not what people wanted out of Feraligatr that much is true. Japan likes it, but they always liked Totodile more than Feraligatr.
>>58728582Pokemon is Japanese and always caters to them first, idk what you expected. Even in yuro regions like Paldea they still stick sushi restaurants everywhere and glued Kitakami to it.
>>58725443Seems like you are a fellow /m/echa/scifi bro even if we have different tastes
>>58728789Well no, hence the "almost" there. Even if you were to ignore the toilet part it just doesn't do the Totodile part well. The proportions make it stretch awkwardly and visually lack impact in the animations because of how flimsy the whole thing looks. Moreover it's stuck in a poor angle for the neutral pose it's seen in most, looking like half of a salad tong glued to the neck. It just looks very toylike and plastic, and not in a fun toy soldier way like Falinks.
>>58728732Memes are supposed to be funny anon.
It's really funny seeing Beedrill be top of so many charts, how does he do it?
>>58728814hard to compete with the real thing in-game>>58728827Wasps are cool killing machines, even if they suck in real life
>>58725072just now I realized, he is just one of those shield star wars droids
>>58728835The shield ones in lego star wars were so fucking annoying
>>58728732This is exactly the thing about mega starmie. It may be a joke, but at least it makes sense for what it wants to do. It wants to run around and kick things. That sounds just as silly as a starfish flying around shooting lasers at people (regular starmie with boltbeam and hydro pump)Feraligatr would look 10 times better if the fuckign hood didn't stand up straight and instead hung over his face
>>58728827He's paper canon. With a perfect set up, he rips and tears, but god forbid anyone looks in his general direction.
>>58728869He could be shit and it wouldn't matter, he looks AWESOME
>>58728879Yea and that's just it, he just LOOKS COOL which is why everyone likes him. >>58728731 me btw
>>58727665>mega heatran in so bad it's goodHow do I know you're terminally online
>>58725142 here. I decided to do a comparison to where I'd rate their base forms to see which Megas get the most improved award
>>58728789>japan likes itDo they? Do they really? Or is it a few cope replies on twitter people parrot? You know, people will say that Totodile is some amazing merch moving popularity monster in Japan, but it never seems to be the case compared to actually popular first stages like Piplup, Oshawott, and Rowlet. I feel like it’s just a cope response to justify how utterly bad Mega Feraligatr is.
>>58728940Bummer, I love Mega Mewtwo Y.
>>58728993It has a lot of fanart I assume its true
>>58728993>I feel like it’s just a cope response"Japan likes it so it must be good" is a cope response in general that gets thrown around so much (even ITT) without any consideration behind it. Are we not allowed to form our own fucking opinions? I don't care if Japan or America or President Xi or my aunt likes something, I'll still call a spade a spade and a shit a shit.
>>58728993Sounds like cope to me. Idk, i follow japanese merch accounts cuz I buy merch from PCJ and Ive never seen totodile/gatr merch like pic rel
>>58729028It's more "Japan likes it because it's tailor made for them" that I see bandied around.
>>58729036How do I get stuff like this instead of the dogshit shirts and ornaments the english one is shilling to me
>>58728923Anybody on /vp/ is terminally online.
>>58729209No they aren't. And the term anon should've used is irony poisoning anyway
>>58726540> it gets fat and ability is thick fat xdddd
>>58729042my guess is that they tried to make it “cute” because japs have an obsession with cute kids
>>58728270>it's le funny!!!!
>>58729504>large bulky toad mega evolves into a larger bulkier toadWhat's goofy about it? thick fat is a good ability too, it's not some meme. Maybe you'd have an excuse if it even looked pudgey, but it just looks larger...
>>58729547No, it's just meant to evoke a classic cheap monster costume from old Japanese sci-fi shows where the low budgets led to people wearing things like lizard suits or pieces of cloth rigged up to resemble a star. The suits ended up having the main moving part be the legs. There's also some superhero/villain stuff with star-men there, it's a cultural archetype that only really targets that audience.I'm not saying you should judge the design by the basis of it (fuck Mega Pyroar) but I think some posts above had examples. Personally I think it's a bit bland but not overtly bad. I like megas that add more than Starmie but less than Darkrai.
this whole thread has not gone by without someone defending starmie with specifically>it's funny!!!or>it's a reference!!! you just don't get it!!!just like was predicted here >>58726403starmiefags really don't have anything else at all
>>58727118worst taste this board has ever had
>>58729624yes anon it is funny and people like it precisely for that. what's the problem?
>>58729634>anyone who likes mega starmie is a complete tastelet, on an objective level. Its design has been changed so little that it would, could, and does only appeal to people who don't take any design considerations whatsoever into account. As in, specifically, someone with no design sensibilities whatsoever>this individual is incapable of depth of thought, and you can in fact infer this through his or her opinion on that design.
>>58729666Pseud drivel written by a man who believes he is smarter than he really is. "Tastelet" alone discredits the whole post as nothing more than a fancily dressed opinion, there is no value that should be assigned to the words following it, which are vague dismissals based on personal standards that aren't elaborated on. That said you are also fucking blind because there are several posts that explicitly don't use "le funnay" or "it's an epic reference" as a defense for it.
>>58729624I already posted this above but I think the design is alright. Megas that exaggerate a single feature of the mon aren't my favorite but I think it's more appealing because it works in motion with the design to change it from a spinning creature to a walking one, focusing on a different facet of the design without making it unrecognizable like Mega Darkrai or cluttering it when Starmie is already one of gen 1's more detailed designs despite the simple shape.
>>58729620that post chain is about mega feraligatr
>>58729738My bad, sorry, I must've gotten mixed up. I can't think of any fathomable defense for the toilet.
So why do you like the new megas? And why do you dislike them
>>58729504Adding “xdddd” to the end of your description of something doesn’t make it ‘goofy’
>>58729801I like Mega Golisopod because it's just Golisopod but not bipedal. It's basically exactly what I wanted from it, while also not being to the level where I would have preferred it as an evo or regional.I don't think I need to elaborate on why I dislike Mega Pyroar or toilet gatr. It's been said by so many before, it's beating a dead horse.
>>58729666>>58729709>Megastarmiefags writing posts without any substance to damage control after having proven nothing but the points of actual Starmie fans who care about the character's nuances ITTlollmao, even
>>58729666>IF YOU LIKE IT BECAUSE OF X YOURE A TASTELET ANYTHING I DONT LIKE YOU CANT LIKE EITHER FOR X REASONwhy is /vp/ like this?
I'm so, so happy with Golisopod.However, as a Darkrai and Starmie enjoyer, this was such a bad time to be their fan.Conceptually the Darkrai mega is cool, but visually idk, I don't like it. Starmie to me feels like the laziest mega.
>>58730222>Proven>If you don't agree with my standards you're dumbWow that's some strong proof. I don't think much of mega starmie, I just think you're a faggot.
>>58725141Pleb, poor taste 4/10 >>58725142Faggot shit taste due to S-rank choices 2/10>>58725254Decent taste, humorless husk from the looks of it 5/10>>58725329Decent 6/10>>58725423Good taste 7/10>>58725443Pleb taste 4/10>>58725492Edgelord 6.5/10 >>58725423Decent 6/10>>58725492Another Edgelord 6.5/10>>58730299Sensible Pleb 4.5/10 r8 & h8 nothing beats high powered fantasy
>>58730311>Mega Charizard X on topinstant 0/10
>>58730419seek help
>>58730419>patrick starlmao
I kinda like all the megas but some are really better than others, but my favorite ones are Chesnaught and Emboar because I love beast warriors!
>>58730305Clearly haven't read the history or didn't have the necessary brain matter to comprehend it.Have a consolation (You) for trying though
>>58728827The designer though to himself "let's do something cool" and not "HAHA EPIC REFERENCES TO THIRD PARTY IP BRO, PEAK CREATIVITY, ALSO MAKE IT HECKING SILLY"
>>58730311You replied to the same post twice and gave it different ratings.For that alone you're getting a 0, retard
>>58730456nigger its reusing their discarded Vespiqueen design as a basis which was by itself already a Darkstalkers reference. Genuinely end your life.
>>58730419>autistic knowledge on suicideI'm so sorry you hate your life and project your suicidal tendencies on others, megafag. Have you tried consulting professionals to deal with these thoughts? You should. Maybe they'll fix your shit taste while they're at it. I'm sure there is still something to help you out there anon :)
>>58726326that, and pyroar seem to be universally hated
>>58728827Most people don't rank their tier, just put it in dex order. Beedrill is just usually in the highest tier, but it showing as #1 is just because it is at the beginning of the dex
>>58730419>there's no minimum amount for a mega to change a design,you freaks are completely unable to think about things rationally, huh? Mega Starmie is literally starmie with its legs "ctrl+z 1.5 enter"'d in blender. That's not a design change, it's something an intern did as a joke and was terrified when whichever managed looked over his shoulder, only to become more terrified when that manager started clapping and said "Sasuga!!! Saiko design intern-kun!!!">he knows about fucking suicide forumsHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>58731082>"ctrl+z 1.5 enter"'d in blender.just more absurd rambling, to the point you just slammed your face on a keyboard.
>>58730456Still, being up there often says a lot.I will clarify that I didn't order within tiers, except to specifically have beedrill at the top
>>58730454No that's exactly what the quoted post is, but thanks for the (You).
>>58725072Are we sure they won’t add any more megas?
>>58731082>Mega Starmie is literally starmie with its legs "ctrl+z 1.5 enter"'d in blender.and its great
>>58731822Pokemon games only get one purchasable DLC pack per release. SV had "two DLCs" but you bought the both at the same time and they released one after the other (hence why I said "one purchasable DLC pack"). If there wasn't an additional DLC announced alongside Mega Dimension there's not a reason to believe that we will get more Megas, especially since the only other Legends game only got one DLC as well. Maybe we could get Mega Charizard Z and Mega Raichu Z in an update a few months before Gen 10 releases, but that's as much as I would predict. What mons even could be candidates for Megas at this point?
>>58731825S: 30A: 15B: 6C: 5D and below: 0Unless someone's pulling an Ivyfag and spamming tierlists to make their favorite seem more popular which I'm half suspecting with how many of them specifically call out Beedrill he does seem fairly popular. At the very least it seems like nobody outright hates him
>>58731822I hope they don'tIt's just going to be more of this shit
>>58731867>one of the best megas made (Mega Skarmory)>people still hate it for no good reasonI can understand why Gamefreak is just tired of making Pokemon as a whole its been this since gen 2
>>58731873I don't mind it but the thing does look like it's only functional because it can clip through other models.
>>58731082Mega Starmie has the core slightly altered to form an "X" and all the limbs of the frontal star are elongated to give it bendable joints. Even the dex states it may be imitating a human. I'm not even using this as a defense of the design because I'm kinda mixed on adding humanoid elements to an animal mon but it's just stupid hyperbole to call it just a stretched leg as a change. The thing has arms and an elongated "head" too.
>>58731888Its rather pretty functional considering thats not the first bird with really big feet in nature thats short, though I will say its a shame you'll never see it in-game because gamefreak decided to make animations for it walking and attacking on the ground but not actually implement them in the game.https://fixvx.com/TheYisusOne/status/1988622843190358179https://fixvx.com/TheYisusOne/status/1988260625647083842
>>58725072I think most megas are actually decent. Its just that the 2 out of 3 starters are terrible. What do you think about my tier? I'm pretty plebian I think
>>58731949Huh it kinda walks like a mechanical walker, just lifting its feet like giant plates. It's like one of those little wind up toys with the flat feet that move them up and down with a rod at the front to pull it forward. It does seem impractical but it is temporary so eh.
>golisopod never reaches the 2 lowest tiers>the lowest is always decentHow does he do it bros?
>>58732026It's certainly hit the lowest on a couple but overall it's literally just a more dangerous Golisopod. I saw a few people who didn't like the type change and some people who say it's too samey but personally I was elated to see it, it's basically exactly what I wanted from it. Non-biped, extra versions of the meaty limbs, doesn't fuck up the upper body shape at all. It's the best.
>>58732013Are you a normalfag by any chance?
>>58732022it's an armored core reference
>>58732069What's normal about my taste?
>>58732107I've never played Armored Core so I'll take your word for it, most of my mecha experience comes from model kits.
