>is one of the shittiest designs in recent games>slow frail mixed attacker>QUICK WE CAN MAKE IT A MEGA TO FIX IT>make the design even shittier and it's still a slow frail mixed attacker
>slowyou're using the pokemon wrong
>>58735400She has a broken ability (Moody) you moron, stats don't matter she'll go straight to Ubers
>>58735400Don't care, I'm still going to make a vgc team around it
>>58735400This thing was immediately mogged by Hearthflame Ogerpon a year later and I don’t feel sorry for it
>>58735403If you're suggesting Trick Room, then you better look at those stats again. It's too fast for it.
>>58735400and yet I still need one to beat L because his Gyarados wipes my all-fire team otherwise
>>58735403>75 base speedToo slow for normal use, too fast for trick room. The worst of both worlds.
>>58735439Anon scovillain solely exists so people wouldnt throw a bitchfit that the first Grass/Fire Pokemon was a DLC exclusive mythical
>it's slowdo people not expect it to get chlorophyl
>>58735472>wastes its one and only ability as a Mega Evolution on a situational speed boost that can be overwritten piss easily, including by gambling snow teams looking to fish for Sheer Cold OHKO sweepsYou're just making it even worse.
>>58735400Imagine having a mega form boost and you STILL get mogged hard by palafin lol
>>58735443>>58735469>he thinks he’s talking about TRwhy does this board have so many campaignshitters?
>>58735501Tailwind support? That's sweet and all, honey, but the opponent has faster mons who are also being bolstered by their own Tailwind, so Scovillain is still being outsped and raped.
>>58735502prankster sunnyday/tailwind can help himvgc of course, no idea about smogon stuff
>>58735506>once again suggesting that Mega Scovillain needs to waste its ability slot on Chlorophyll, leaving it in the dust behind all the already-fast Megas who have abilities that further crank up their damage with percentage boosters or outright multipliersWhy go through all this effort for a mon who needs this much setup that can be disrupted and nullified, just so it can be even a fraction as good as someone like Mega Salamence, Mega Lopunny or Mega Kangaskhan?
>malamar and scovillain's megas are titanic flops>our HERO doesn't even need a mega evolution of his own to dispose of themYup, YUP!
>>58735512Mega Scovillain in sun is faster and stronger than all three of the megas you listed.
>>58735400>Scovillain>badnerfed Moody got banned because of him
>>58735516>fasterWe don’t know its ability yet faggot
>>58735518>him>50% female
>>58735516And weaker, so even fi it gets to pop off a Solar Beam or Overheat (because let's be real, you're not using physical when its best physical moves are Seed Bomb and Temper Flare), it won't KO anything.Meanwhile, Mega Mence has already>OHKO'd with Aerilate Double-EdgeMega Kanga has already>used that turn it survived to set up +2 PUP, and all it has to do is use that move again to bring its power back upMega Lop has already>started spamming HJK without requiring any setup whatsoever because it's already great by default
>>58735524>UMM ZOINKS???? DID YOU HECKERINOING MISGENDER???>you>41%
>>587355320 SpA Scovillain Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Arceus in Sun: 202-238 (53 - 62.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO0 Atk Aerilate Salamence-Mega Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 183-216 (48 - 56.6%) -- 87.5% chance to 2HKO>I-IT'S WEAKER!!!sorry you're bad at maths lil bro
>>58735554Cool! Meanwhile I've already had one of my guys kill your sun, completely neutering your Scovillain's speed and turning it into a worthless shitter. Have fun spending another turn setting up sun again, leaving you vulnerable to getting set up swept on!
>>58735400I wouldn’t say the base design is shitty…the Mega definitely is, though. Actually, I feel like the Mega makes it retroactively worse.
>>58735558>I-I just happened to have the perfect counter out so your strategy doesn't work!!nice cope, campaignshitter
>>58735565Why would I not carry counterplay against weather that I know will be a problem? VGC is a place where fishing for OHKOs with Sheer Cold is a valid strategy, so being able to counterplay snow so I can KO those teams before they land their OHKOs would be of great use to me.
>>58735569>Why would I not carry counterplay against weatherbecause the game only lets you have two pokemon on the field at once and not an infinite amount, campaignshitter.
>>58735400mogged by Growth Venusaur as a mixed sun sweeper
>TH-THE POKEMON CAN'T BE GOOD BECAUSE OF WEATHER! I CAN JUST NULLIFY IT!cool tell smogshit to unban baxcalibur and swift swim and snow cloak then
>>58735579Yeah, but setting up weather is generally a Turn 0 or Turn 1 thing, it's an important tone setter for the match ahead, just like Terrains, Trick Room, Aurora Veil, etc. so I'm naturally going to lead with Pokemon who can immediately respond to or otherwise predict and shutdown attempts to start up weather.
>>58735554>BUT IT'S GOOD IN THE SUN!
>>58735582venusaur doesn't have STAB fire movesalso spicy extract is underrated as a support move in doubles>>58735590>campaignshitter is so bad at the game he doesn't understand how switching worksgrim
>>58735594>keeps coming up with excuses as to why his Chlorophyll Mega Scovillain fetish is actually the most genius idea of all time and it's impossible to counter as soon as Sun goes upThat's nice, dear. Too bad I've already exploited its dogshit stats by smothering it in Parting Shots to make it a non-threat.
>>58735592>BUT IT'S GOOD IF I REMEMBER THE GAME HAS MORE THAN ONE MECHANIC!that's typically how the game works, yeah>>58735602your entire argument is "I can perfectly conveniently counter it at every opportunity while you sit there and do nothing". This is campaignshitter logic.
>>58735605Your entire argument is "I can perfectly conveniently mog you at every opportunity while you sit there and do nothing". This is campaignshitter logic.
>>58735608>parroting Done. I win, thanks for playing.
>>58735608no, actually my argument was "chlorophyll mega scovillain is faster and stronger than most megas under sun, so it does have a purpose" and you proceeded to have an autistic meltdown
>>58735611Thanks for admitting defeat.
>>58735615Yup, and then every time a counter was proposed, a logical counter someone would have in VGC because the entire point of teambuilding in VGC is that you either go all-in on a gambler's strategy (Sheer Cold Team) or something that can cover as many bases as possible to mitigate probability of loss from unfortunate RNG while still being strong enough to give a fighting chance to just about any team you'll see in VGC, you went "nuh uh, that's not how it works".
>>58735618>B-BUT IT HAS COUNTERSthe argument was never that scovillain has no counters, sagefag
>>58735405>shetard calling someone a moron
>>58735623Correct, the argument is that Scovillain takes more setup effort than most Megas, which puts it at greater risk of being disrupted and subsequently KO'd, and assuming Megas are one-per-battle in Champions, just like how we're assuming Mega Scovillain will have Chlorophyll for its ability, that means you just wasted your one-per-battle Mega and are now at a severe disadvantage against your opponent.
What does it get in SD again? Contrary?
>>58735637Yeah. Probably still sucks since you need to not be a slow shitter to make good use of contrary
>>58735631>Correct, the argument is that Scovillain takes more setup effort than most Megas, And in return it becomes stronger and faster than most Megas.Welcome to balancing 101, sagefag.
>>58735646Yeah, and it's setup that can be easily nullified. But you keep going "nuh uh" to every form of logical generalized counterplay someone could be carrying.
>>58735651>B-BUT I CAN PERFECTLY AND CONVENIENTLY COUNTER IT AT NO COST!!There you go again with your campaignshitter logic, sagefag.
>>58735656Again, why would I not carry anti-weather on my team? I don't want to get raped by a Sheer Cold Gambler Team, so it's vital that I can break through those Ice Types by killing their Snow Boost.Why would I not carry Parting Shot in VGC, a move that allows me to debuff an opponent AND pivot?Why would I not run my OWN weather strategy that ISN'T sun, allowing ME to buff MYSELF while NERFING the opponent who's using a DIFFERENT weather?
>>58735660>Again, why would I not carry anti-weather on my team?>>58735579
>>58735678See>>58735590
>>58735681See>>58735594
sagefag why haven’t you convinced smogshit to unban baxcalibur and snow cloak yet?
>>58735699Oh, no, Switching! The mechanic I have access to, too! And can use any time I want! I can't believe I was bested by this mechanic so soundly, despite being able to exploit it just as much as my opponent! Oh, if only there were a way to do something about this, like... oh, I don't know, mindgames? Predictions? Genuinely outwitting my opponent?By the way, you never posted your SV Poke Ball Rank. You're not going to accuse others of being campaignshitters without posting receipts that you actually play the game, right?
>>58735704>why haven't you convinced the retards who not only don't play the actual game, but also don't even play their house rules slapdash modded game because they'd rather seethe at tier lists, damage calculators and usage stats?Gee, I wonder...
Yay schizos arguing. Free entertainment
>>58735708Congrats sagefag, you defeated your own argument by realizing the opponent can do all of those things and isn’t just a bumbling retard sitting there for you to perfectly counter at your convenience, like you’re so used to the toddler NPCs in your campaign behaving.
>>58735715All of this because of a retarded belief that they're going to just slap a generic ability on a DLC Mega and not give it a unique signature ability, too.
>>58735717There you go again, acting like only my opponent is allowed to switch and predict while I have no such tools.It's almost like the inherent knowledge of>oh, the opponent is running Scovillain and Torkoal! it's probably the Mega they want to use, I should expect Sun to be set up within the first three turns... I'll focus on general utility setup and opening offense rather than immediately jumping into setting up my own weather, and then the next turn, I'll try and land some strong blows on any switches/pivots. And then on the turn after THAT, I'll switch to see if my prediction of weather counterplay is correct so Scovillain can't benefit from Chlorophyll, leaving it a sitting duck that has to spend extra turns bailing itself out and trying to set up sun again.Is something I can use to my advantage, allowing me to defy this Mega Scovillain strategy and gain the upper hand if I correctly predict the long game without thinking it'll take TOO long to get to that point, because VGC Doubles is a very fast and loose format where battles end as quickly as they begin due to only being allowed four Pokemon, four Pokemon who can be KO'd very quickly because they have to survive getting battered by one or two opponents at any given time.
>>58735735>There you go again, acting like only my opponent is allowed to switch and predict while I have no such toolsNo, that’s what you’re doing, sagefag.
Honestly kind of astonished they didn't give it a third yellow head.
This guy really should have gotten a cross gen evolution with a third head instead of a mega
>>58735742Nope, I'm acknowledging that my opponent can switch and predict me, too. That's why my hypothetical greentext goes into understanding my oppoonent is trying to outread me as much as I'm trying to outread them.Also, you still haven't posted proof of your SV Poke Ball Rank. Are you SURE you actually play the game?
>>58735518Nerfed Moody was banned before Scovillain existed.
>>58735747>Nope, I'm acknowledging that my opponent can switch and predict me, toosagefag, your argument this whole thread has been "I counter perfectly while my opponent sits there like a retard"
>There are actual genuine retards on /vp/ saying Mega Scovillain will be good>Not even claiming it gets broken ass ability like Moody, Grass themed Arena Trap, or some shit either. A regular ability.>And it’s Chlorophyll too.You retards do realize that base form Scovillain gets Chlorophyll too, right? Despite being the first Fire type with Chlorophyll, and one that got STAB Grass moves to beat Water types with, it ended up being ass anyways? In fact, why would I waste my Mega slot on Mega Scovillain and not just use Scovillain + another Mega?252 SpA Life Orb Scovillain Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Arceus in Sun: 265-312 (69.5 - 81.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO252 SpA Scovillain-Mega Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Arceus in Sun: 241-285 (63.2 - 74.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKOYou’re doing less damage than Life Orb.>Oh but muh recoil but muh slightly more bulk!None of that shit is worth wasting a Mega slot on and certainly isn’t going to save Mega Scovillain even if it was stronger than using Life Orb.
>>58735932>it ended up being ass anywaysExcept it didn't.>You’re doing less damage than Life OrbI also have significantly less bulk with Life Orb.
>>58735565>just happened If you don’t think at least ~1/3 of people will prepare anti-sun measures, you’re kind of slow and missed the last two VGCs that allowed the weather trio at full strength. You’re bringing the meme pepper to a meta where your opponents have clear amulet Megafug.
>>58735932Don't bother, this is a ywanfag thread. He'd unironically argue that Hypno in Gen 9 has potential to be a godslayer, just to shit up a thread until bump limit.
>>58735975If you don’t think at least ~1/3 of people will prepare anti-anti-sun measures, you’re kind of slow and missed the last two VGCs that allowed the weather trio at full strength. You’re bringing the meme pepper to a meta where your opponents don't have clear amulet Megafug.
>>58735400>>is one of the shittiest designs in recent gamesstopped reading there OP, youre a nigger. Refrain from ever making a thread again.
>>58736008it's a human with toenails for feet and pepper digimon for heads, its shiny is just wearing jeans
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>>58736201none of this refuted what i said
OG>Oh, Interesting. Quite the fun and bizzare idea. But how does the comedy/tragedy mask play in...>Oh, Maybe it's like Twoface from Batman?>Oh, It's walk is like a Cowboy villain because of the Spaghetti westernsEveryone else: "Why is it not a sexy or badass demon? I don't get why it was a Kappa. A pun? Laaaame. Shit design, I want to fuck Charizard insteadMega>Oh, It has a business suit like Lex Luther>Oh, it is an open shirt design like what a hotshot douchebag would wear to be cool>Haha, It has a "Thai/Tie Pepper" on it. FunEveryone else: It's fucking retarded. Why should a Pokemon be wearing clothes? Why doesn't it grow more heads like a Hydra that it totally should be? Mega Gardevoir is so much better, I'm gonna fap to her"End of thread, /vp/ has a shit opinion and hates fun
>>58735969>Except it didn't.
>>58735400I have no strong opinions on this thing, but saying it’s a shit design is exaggerating when we have shit like Mega Feraligatr and Mega Glalie.
>>58736253It has pretty much no tournament results either. Not even decent ones.
>>58736302moody is banned from vgc or something? You'd think with a broken ability like that it'd be top tier
>>58736312Moody's a lot less useful in faster-paced metas, it's better to just abuse Chlorophyll.
>>58735400SCOVILLAIN WATCH OUT FOR THAT FLAMETHROWER
>>58736255more than 1 shit design can exist at a time bro. there's over a thousand pokemon we're gonna have some shit designs
