There should had been a rule where only 3rd stage pokemon and legendaries can mega evolve because many pokemon that actually need an evolution are now forever cucked from getting one
Some mons are fine as one-stage or two-stage. Stat totals don't matter as much as how those stats are distributed. Mega Absol VS Mega Absol Z being a prime example of this
>>58737158How would you have designed its third stage then, OP?
>>58737158>pokemon that get gimmick forms can't get evolutions later!???
>>58737219That's probably just for GMaxes, I can't see a mon with a Mega getting another evolution
>>58737219that only worked for gmax pokemon.and gmax pikachu & gmax eevee already existed anon. megas on the other hand are stated that pokemon who can't evolve farther can mega evolve. the Za game even explained that the eternal flower floette can't evolve farther because of the situation that made it immortal.
>>58737250>the Za game even explained that the eternal flower floette can't evolve farther because of the situation that made it immortalthat actually supports the idea that pokemon with mega evolutions could still evolve further under different circumstances, like how you can't evolve ursaring into ursaluna outside of PLA but it's still an evolution to ursaring.
>>58737309No, retard, canonically all Ursaring can evolve into Ursaluna, it's just that the player doesn't have the tools to do it outside Legends Arceus. Eternal Floette just can't evolve, period, it's a fully evolved mon in gameplay and lore, so mega evolution is possible.
>>58737327what about meltan? even if ursaring is compatible with eviolite, meltan is barred from it just like eternal floette is. it's considered fully evolved by the game. theoretically, this means we could see a mega meltan.except... it can evolve into melmetal.
>>58737250the ability to use gimmick forms like megas or gigantamaxes is fundamentally tied to being unable to evolve, evidenced by the fact that gmax factor pikachu, meowth, etc. cannot evolve, are not affected by eviolite, and cannot be transferred out of home to games after sword/shield because those games don't keep track of the gmax factor and thus would introduce inconsistencies with those pokemon being allowed to evolve in, say, SVhowever these pokemon can be freely made capable of evolution again whenever you want by feeding them max soup to remove the gmax factor, so this state of evolutionary lock and temporary form access is not permanent and can be adjusted on a case-by-case basisthis doesn't only apply to gigantamax though, because like you said eternal floette is explicitly only capable of mega evolution due to being barred from regular evolution, meaning mega evolution operates under the same rulesetso it's very explicit that only pokemon that cannot evolve for whatever reason are capable of attaining these temporary form changesall a new game needs to do is introduce the idea of a "mega evolution factor" and then it's completely congruent with current lore and new evolutions can be added for pokemon that have mega evolutions at presentnow eternal floette is just a floette permanently stuck with the mega factor, and you can just feed your mawile some mega soup and boom you can get a mawmawile
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>>58737219Gigantamax didn't have it be established that only Pokemon who have reached their fullest evolutionary potential can receive the GMax Factor.Mega Evolution, however, did.
>>58737364Meltan being fully evolved is also a gameplay thing, not a lore thing. All Meltan canonically can evolve into Melmetal so no Meltan should be able to mega evolve.
>>58737455I wish Archaludon got a mega instead of Scovillain, it would be nice Paldea DLC representation and it would cuck Giga Duraludon's skyscraper ass even more
This, they want Megas to be the end all be all of a Pokemon's line, GMaxes seem like a nice power up but can still go further.
>>58737445Mega Evolutions should die with ZA
>>58737489meant for >>58737250
>>58737455I don’t think Gamefreak will care about even that in the long run. >in DPPt they mention legendaries aren’t capable of evolution, period>in XY they mention mega evolution ONLY occurs in Kalos and has only ever occurred in Kalos Not to mention stuff like GS and XY pretending the new types were newly discovered, which future games taking place beforehand don’t seem to care about. Even little details they mention, like “Kyogre and Groudon don’t actually fight” in an interview after RS, can be immediately retconned, as we saw in Emerald where the two definitively do battle.
there has never been a cross gen evolution stronger or more viable than a mega evolution. Shit like dusclop wish it could have a mega instead of a morbidly obese ugly replacement.
>>58737455then why can't gmax pikachu evolve into a raichu? you can't use a thunderstone on it until you remove the gmax factor.
>>58737516annihilape? dusclops is also a bad example since a mega adding more bulk wouldn't even remotely compare to how bulky it gets with eviolite.
>>58737525Because GMax Raichu doesn't exist, and they didn't want to program an exception to the evolution script to point out "For some reason, Raichu lost its Gigantamax Factor! How mysterious..." because it might be misinterpreted as "RAICHU HAS A GMAX BUT THEY'RE HOLDING OUT ON US!?!?!?!"
>>58737532so you don't actually have an argument for why gmax is different from mega evolution, you're just a basic-ass patternfag who will undoubtedly pretend this entire conversation never happened when gen 10 adds a cross-gen evolution for something that has a mega already. got it.
>>58737529annihilape would be stronger as a mega, yes.
Pokemon that have a Mega can't evolve further that's why I hate Mega Scovillain
>>58737540I already laid out my case. GMax Pikachu can't evolve because GMax Raichu doesn't exist, because they never had any intentions of creating GMax Raichu, and because GMax Raichu doesn't exist, trying to evolve a GMax Factor Pikachu into Raichu would result in a nonexistent GMax that would cause the game to error out, therefore they evolution locked it.If they really wanted to go and say "lol any mon can mega evolve" they would've just made Mega Pikachu X & Y for Mega Dimension, but no, they made the very careful and conscious decision to give the Megas to Raichu, because the lore they established is that only Pokemon who've reached their maximum evolutionary potential can Mega Evolve, and they have no interest in tying Mega Pikachu to any of the Cap Pikachus since the Ashnime is dead, contrast to when they made Piakshunium Z for Cap Pikachu in Gen 7.
>>58737558Scovillain is perfect and doesn't need an evoI could see capsikid getting a split evo though
>>58737550by what metric? it already has a high-tier ability and 80 more BST than primeape does, as well as most of that stat boost going into a much-needed HP increase which is a stat megas don't boost and would leave it significantly less bulky even if you tried to use the extra 20 BST from a mega evolution on bulk. it also doesn't sacrifice its item slot like megas do.
>>58737564>they pull a Dipplin & Hydrapple and make the new split evo objectively better than Scovillain, leaving you with no reason to ever use a Fire Stone on your Capsakid
>>58737564Scovillain feels incomplete and the Mega Evo didn't help that
>>58737571It's only incomplete because you wanted it to be a le ebin King Ghidorah reference.
>>58737560nobody said anything about a gmax raichu and yet you keep spouting this nonsense as justification for your retardation. you are arguing with a strawman you made up in your head like all patternfags do.
>>58737571how is it imcomplete? Not everything needs to come in 3s like Dodtrio/dugtro/magniton
>>58737575You're not reading the post.GMax Pikachu can't evolve because that would imply the existence of GMax Raichu.But because GameFreak didn't want to make GMax Raichu, and having a GMax Factor mon evolve into a mon without a GMax would cause the game to error out, they instead chose to evolution lock GMax Pikachu.If they truly, fully, ABSOLUTELY wanted Mega Evolution to be for any Pokemon they felt like, Mega Dimension would've had Mega Pikachu X & Y present instead of Mega Raichu X & Y.But no, they HAD to use Mega Raichu, because Mega Evolution's lore dictates that ONLY POKEMON WHO HAVE REACHED THEIR MAXIMUM EVOLUTIONARY POTENTIAL CAN MEGA EVOLVE.
Stone evos like Starmie or Scovillain usually don't get further evolutions so it's kind of fine on those.
>>58737516are you really gonna sit there and say mega tangela, mega porygon, and mega togetic would be stronger than tangrowth, porygon-z, and togekisswhat a retarded schizo post
>>58737579>you're not reading the postno, you're just not making any sense. the rest of us don't live in your specific schizophrenic fantasy land, so we can't magically deduce the meaning of your entire extended universe of headcanons from a vague nothingburger of a post.
>>58737219It was called Giganta MAX, not Mega EVOLUTION.Plus there were GMax forms of pre-evos like Pikachu and Meowth that got it.
mons that got cucked with mega elocutions like starmie should get regional forms that replace the mega with regional evolutions.
>>58737158Enjoy your regional evolution like linoone and slowbro to bypass megas ending the evolution line
>>58737666regional replacement are an even bigger form of cucking tho since they are immune to shill gimmick (no regional forms are able to mega evolve or gmax due to their genes being inpure)
>>58737510>>in DPPt they mention legendaries aren’t capable of evolution, periodFalse, they say no legendary pokemon is known to evolve. It's like if they said there are no poison type legendaries, it would have been correct as far they knew.
>>58737568you say that like a bad thing. split evo having one more powerful but tougher to obtain evolution are kino
>game outright states mega evolutions are for pokemon that can't keep evolving otherwise>nothing like that is said about any other gimmick, ever>some genuine schizo doesn't understand why Duraludon, Pikachu and Eevee getting Gigantamax forms means nothing in regards of megas
>>58737678The way it’s stated in game is as if it is common knowledge. It’s really no different than the other examples listed, being something treated as fact in a game where it *was* true, that Gamefreak would later contradict with new lore. Basically, there’s nothing stopping them from making a normal evolution for a pokemon that already had a mega, as the characters aren’t omniscient and typically go off of what is at most possible in the current game.
>she think GF give a shit about their lore.
>>58737704even game mechanics can change. eviolite just randomly starts working for certain pokemon when they add cross-gen evolutions, even ones like ursaluna that don't have the excuse of the evolution being newly discovered.the lore is made up and doesn't matter.
>>58737704Yeah it's common knowledge no pokemon in the pokedex by the time Sinnoh games happen evolves/is an evolution. And again, it's correct, it's never proven wrong, all legendary pokemon they know about don't fw evolution.Also if you if argument is >they may change prestablished lore just so this impossible thing I claim it could happen, happens!Then you are saying absolutely nothing at all, you can say that about everything no matter what. You could say gen 10 will introduce pokemon regression so an Appletun can go back to Applin and evolve into Dipplin instead and nobody could question it, because hey maybe they will change it just for you, huh? Just so you don't have to admit your claim is canonically wrong.
>>58737579>>58737697You're arguing with yawnfag, don't bother.
>>58737739it's common knowledge in johto that clefairy is a normal type. whitney, master of the normal type, uses one and she knows firsthand that it's very weak to fighting-type moves but ghost-type moves don't affect it one bit.fairy type? what's that?
>>58737789Thank you for proving me right, you are literally saying anything is possible because they could change anything at any moment.>non-fully evolved pokemon could mega evolve!>Kangaskhan could become resistant to fighting type!>Appletun could regress into Applin!>pokemon could hold two items!>Dynamax could happen without galar particles!>Mew could evolve into any pokemon!>any pokemon could evolve into Arceus!Anything could happen if you just retcon things, yes. Congratulations, you would indeed be correct if not for the fact the canon just said you are wrong.
>>58737158Megas should be permanent forms. I would just say two megas can't be on the same team.
>>58737158>are now forever cucked from getting onejust like how after eviolite there couldn't be any more cross-gen evolutions, or how mons with megs forms can't have a regional form, or how legendaries can't evolve
>>58737471>VGC with Incineroar and Mega Archaludon on every team
Scovillain looks like shit and Mega Scovillain amplifies that lol
So it's possible for Spike Ear Pichu to megaevolve? NeatAlso, I like they expand the lore of the pokémon world but there are so many retcons that is a bit tiring, I hope when they stop making new generations they make a reboot from the start with all the new mechanics and lore that exists in that moment
>>58737510Yes they have retconned a lot but I think they actually want to die on this hill. They want to make sure in the future only fully evolved mons get a mega barring dead floette. They made two raichu megas just to say 'See? Pikachu isn't even getting one. Don't ask us for a mega for your mid stage shitmon.'
Once you Mega, that's it, no more evolutions you've reached your full potential
>>58738184you can't say "there will never be an evolution for a mid stage" and then use the game that gave us an evolution for a mid stage as evidence.>but floette is a special caseand they could make a similar special case for literally anything.
>>58737158I'm still not over Mega Camerupt and Mega Sharpedo. What the fuck. I'd take mega Regis any day over this shit. Neither of those Pokemon are finished on a conceptual level and both of them got shit megas instead of evolutions. Banette too. Who needed this shit. Worst megas easily because you took shitmon who still need to evolve (okay I guess mega Sharpedo was UU but it's fucking hideous).The only reason mega Mawile worked is because they did everything to make it OP with the low stats it has.
>>58738351>I'm still not over Mega Camerupt and Mega Sharpedo.I can agree with Banette because it was a counterpart to Dusclops in Gen 3. But I am not sure what you would do for a Camerupt/Sharpedo evo that is not just a bigger volcano dromadery/camel and a "full" shark/predatory fish torpedo/shark submarine. They feel complete to me design wise. Gameplay wise Camerupt had a niche in Gen 3 OU back in the day. Nowadays like many Gen 3 mons, he is not great but the same can be said for a lot of old mons.Rhydon was also a complete mon and the ace of a villainous Team Leader like these 2 and they gave him a shit overdesigned evo that is still a shitmon these days.
>They could have added new cross gen evos in ZA
>>58737219Did he say gimmicks, or Mega Evolution?The fact they had to implement Mega Pikachu as Mega Raichu Y is the final proof mega are only for fully evolved Pokémon
>>58738376>Gameplay wise Camerupt had a niche in Gen 3 OU back in the day.No, that niche has pretty much only been found within the last couple years. Camerupt was considered useless back in the day.
>>58738440>The fact they had to implement Mega Pikachu as Mega Raichu Ythey didn't have to, and they didn't do that. They made 2 different Mega Raichu and made one pikachu-themed on purpose, like a lot of megas pulling from prevos. Don't be a schizophrenic about this.
>>58737158Every single mega should have 600 BST unless its already higher than 600 in which case it would remain the same
>>58738301That still means all the middle stages you are thinking about will never mega evolve as they would need a special evolution-lesa form like Floette's, dumbass
