Here's ALL Pokémon that survived ALL dexcuts. Only original games counted (which means LGPE and BDSP are excluded).
>>58741956Damn, they hate Hoenn
>>58741968Bro, 7 isn't even on the list
>>58741956Charizardbros? I'm not feeling so well...
>>58741980Gen 7 also has a tiny amount of Pokemon in Legends Z-A and no one aside from Rowlet in Legends Arceus.
>>58741956Why did you remove base Goodra and Avalugg?
>>58742009Can you get either of them in legends arceus? If not, that'd be why.
>>58741956>hippowdon>avalugg>snoverWhy?
>>58742014That's true. I somehow forgot that. My bad.>>58742015Avalugg is such a weird one. GF's got a strange fetish with that thing lately, specially with how they keep shoehorning it on important big battles too.
>>58741956Shouldn't hisuian qwilfish be there with overqwil?
>>58742037Yeah, it should, my b. Here's the fixed version.
>>58741956Glalie of all motherfuckers being consistent and getting a mega really makes me think someone on the staff actually likes him when no-one else does.
>>58742042Put the fishes together. You had all in order.
>>58742020Goodra and Avalugg are just prime Champion mons>special attacker with absolute special defense>physical attacker with absolute physical defense
>>58741956Alolabros...
>>58742057Qwilfish comes before Sliggoo in Natdex order, that's why it's placed like that. But I could place it differently, do you think it should respect Qwilfish order and come first or respect Overqwil placement and come last?
>>58741956>Missing GrafaiaiBruh
>>58742062>Qwilfish comes before Sliggoo in Natdex order, that's why it's placed like that.Seriously?Well nevermind that. Proper order takes precedence to aesthetics autism. Ignore me.>>58742058And then GF still wonders why people still think Cynthia's the strongest Champion and hardest battle in the franchise.
>>58742065Thank you for noticing, I also glanced over my Gen 9 placements and noticed Bax line was missing so I added them too.>>58742071Regionals share dex number with the original variants so Qwilfish is placed almost 500 numbers before Sliggoo. It's a bit weird but it's what it's.
>>58741981there were pokemon games without fucking charizard? that's how you know the people working on this shit should be fired and starve to death.
>>58742096Just Arceus.Be damn sure it'll be on Legends Galar. And sooner or later Charmaderino will be a starter in a Legends game later on too in case it is not in Legends Galar.Arceus will most certainly be the first and last time it'll ever be skipped like this.
>all unovamon got dexcut at least once good
gyarados won and raped (You)r favorite shitmon
>>58742102nah, charizard is too popular for that. Only only literal who shitmon get to he legends starters. Bottom of the barrel shit like rilaboom and skeledirge
>>58742106How can we get rid of him? The dex already made it clear that Magikarp can live everywhere!
>>58742109At some point they will use Charmander. Starters are not infinite.
>>58742154nah. They will still include it in the game tho to prevent another flop like legends arceus: the one time they made the mistake of cutting it.
>>58742106waterstarterbros…how do we cope?
>>58741956Is this for pokemon that has been in every game or just every gen?every game is a little retarded since it's just >PLA dex + ZA dex
>>58742181Read the post, retard.
>>58742189So then this is just the ZA dex?
>>58741956HOW did Hippowdon and Snover survive?
>>58742206>Both are weather setters since introduction so easy to justify in SwSh and SV>Gen 4 mons so automatically included in PLA>Abomasnow got a Mega so automatically included in Z-ANow why Hippopotas is in Z-A, I'm not sure. It was originally in XY and it's the only pure Ground-type in the game aside Drillbur so I'm assuming this might have been relevant when it came to including it.
>>58742049Froslass is popular, so Glalie gets to come along for the ride. Abomasnow's the surprising one for me.
Is Heracross an industry plant?
>>58742083How could there be annihilape without mankey and primeape?>>58742049Glalie was also one of Ash's mon in the gen 3 ashnime.The authors thinly veiled fetishmon
>>58742354Valid if true
>>58741956how did GARchomp do it?
>>58742390Mankey and Primeape were cut from SwSh. Annihilape is a different Pokémon and hasn't been cut since it was introduced in SV.
>>58741956Psyduck bros... Magnemite bros...
Ribbons were introduced in Gen 3, but not all Pokemon can be caught in the side games for that. Here’s only ones that can be ribbon mastered.
They should make a game with no pikachu and eevee
>>58742234Clearly balance. The base ZA Pokedex is [introduced in Kalos] and [has a mega evolution]. Gen 6 only had 2 new ground types with Zygarde and Diggersby. The only mega options are Steelix, Camerupt and Garchomp. So they threw in Krookodile, Stunfisk and Hippowdon. Notice how the game didn't feel any need to put in any random dragon, ghost or dark types.
>>58742434Snorlax also got the boot despite the massive campaign they were doing for it a while ago. Alolan Vulpix definitely has someone in-house pushing it considering it somehow made into PLA but it couldn't save itself from Z-A cutting the line entirely. It was a slaughter for long-standing lines.
>>58741956>>58742102With teraleak and Legends ZA not selling as fast as PLA, in all honesty, future of Legends Galar is still up in the air.
Personally I consider the first dex cut to be Gen 2. I consider any Pokémon that you can't obtain in a region without trading or transferring from another game barring trade evolutions and version exclusives. In Gen 2 you can't obtain the starters, fossils and legendaries without a Gen 1 game. Gen 3 you need a minimum probably 7 games to complete the national dex. Though I guess by my rules barely any Pokémon would make it.
>>58741956PLA single handedly killing Alola and Galar
>>58742460At this point, only the rat, Eevees, Magikarp and therefore Gyarados, Garde line and Lucario are truly 120% safe.Gengar line is the only other one that's been truly 100% safe, so far, but easy to forget that many of the Pokemon there, like Garchomp line, were added only with DLC and weren't on the base game.If you don't count Legend games, Starters are all safe, but a great deal of them are also DLC adds.Personally, I feel like being a DLC addition slightly diminishes the status but I can see why would someone disagree with me.ZA piss small dex is frankly quite insulting considering how gigantic the XY dex is but that's what happens when you decide to chop out the entire region but a city. That's the reason so many even "safe" lines got the boot. Depressing downgrade in all senses.
>>58742419>how did GARchomp do it?Its probably the most popular pseudo by now
>>58742438Since beating the champion is a listed accolade in most games, I'm fairly certain the only true ribbon masters at this point would also have to overlap with the dexcut survivors. This leaves a mere 10 pokemon from the scyther, ralts, and snorunt lines. Interestingly, these all contain cross-gen, item required, branched evolutions and the only final evolution among them that can't mega evolve is kleavor. This also means every pokemon affected by a dawn stone qualifies
>>58742354>industry plant>Bois (woods in French)You're on to something.
>>58742438>only families on this list, before AND after Mega Dimension are;>Scyther>Ralts>Snover>HeracrossMaybe this being the first game since Unova to not have Ribbons wasn't such a bad idea. As shit as Dexit was, relatively speaking, I kinda like the list as of Indigo Disk, anyway.
>>58742620Nah, ZA doesn’t have any new ribbons and has somehow can’t create them on the pokemon in it (this was discovered with the gift ralts), so the ribbon master list isn’t reliant on that. Otherwise yes, but they need to also be able to be caught in colosseum/XD, not too sure how that works with tradebacks to the mainline games
>>58741956scyther surviving the cuts is the only strange one from gen 1
>>58742657It got lucky for SwSh but since then it's been a shoe-in due to Kleavor's creation. Granted, many other Hisuimons like Wyrdeer weren't as lucky to keep showing up past PLA, but I suspect Kleavor keeps appearing because they picked it as the obligatory Hisui rep for the six heroes in the current anime.
>>58741956Porygon my goat!
Just realised ZA is the first game that doesn't have Psyduck and Golduck in it. I kneel.
>>58741956>Pikachu and Eevee are eternal because of mascot statuses>Clefairy is the definitive girlmon and also a staple of strong fairy types>Gastly is the definitive ghostmon>Kleavor is evidently the definitive Hisuimon so Scyther and Scizor always get to tag along>Magikarp is canonically everywhere>Porygon is a developer darling even if it's been blacklisted from the rest of the franchise>Heracross is a developer darling>Ralts is a shillmon line>Snorunt gets to come along as a bonus because otherwise the Dawn Stone is literally only used for Kirlia>Gible and Riolu are shillmon lines>Hippopotas is inoffensive Sand Stream>Snover is inoffensive Snow Warning>Rotom is Ishihara's favorite Pokemon>Goomy and Bergmite lines are developer darlings and fulfill the "excessively bulky in one stat, dogshit in another" niche for phys and spec>Overqwil so far is the other definitive Hisui mon>the gen 9 bunch are all too early to callChecks out.
>>58742049I’m convinced the Snorunt line is usually in because Gardevoir is a lock and they’re included so that the Dawn Stone can evolve another Pokemon. That and ice types are the rarest so the same ice types like Bergmite and Snover are used a lot for the sake of having enough ice types in the game
>>58742354No, he's the quintessential pokemon.
whos next to get cut, /vp/?hardmode: no gen 9 mons
>>58743089All three lines of the dogs from gen 9 I hope. They're all just kind of lame designs, and I love dachshunds.
>>58742657It barely got included in SwSh thanks to the Isle of Armor but since then:>In PLA with Kleavor being created>In SV because everyone that got a new form or evolution in PLA was automatically in>In Z-A because Scizor got a mega all the way back in XY
>>58743189it honestly has good odds of being in gen 10 imo, because i think most if not all mega shillmons will carry over from za to gen 10, like how the pla mons were all in sv. even though megas wont be in the game theyll want to give little timmy an opportunity to use his kalos team (and since mons cant go backwards from za itll give them somewhere else to go)
>>58741956Scytherbros we won
>>58742015>>58742020avalugg is totally going to get some new form or an evolution in the next gen.
>>58742705>>>Snorunt gets to come along as a bonus because otherwise the Dawn Stone is literally only used for KirliaI was wondering why Snorunt gets to appear in all games, but that makes total sense. I wish they made more pokemon that can evolve with the dawn stone, side evolutions is always a fun concept that I feel is not used enough.
>>58741956They ended Whiscash’s streak. >>58742049The entire Snorunt line is my favorite Ice type family and all for different reasons. I really liked Glalie in the anime and I think the Mega is a good blend of goofy and horrifying.
I do find it funny that the moment the Ash anime ended and Team Rocket are memory holed, Wobbuffet goes completely absent for an entire gen.
>>58743296It already got a regional that's somehow even worse than the original, I don't think they're interested in making it stronger.
>>58742701We lost Masudabros...
>>58741956ZA must have been the first time Drifloon misses outWhat if you take into account regional Pokedex tho?
>>58742736I think Snorunt is based (lorewise) but this argument is tough to beat
>not counting the bdsp dexcutlol
>>58741956if you remove all cross-gen evolutions the only gen 2 Pokemon that survived is Heracross. Also SINNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH beats KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO which has eveelution bloat
>>58742434Damn, hard to believe. These were among the 67 mons that were in the Hoenn regional dex.Machamp missed out on ScVi, ending another great run
>>58742495By that rule gen V cuts every previous pokemon (unless you count the white forest bit)
Hold the fuck upIs ZA the first game with Slowpoke and no Shellder? I though they must come together all the time
>>58743648Avalugg already exists as the physical ubertank, and without Skill Link that's all Cloyster is, so GameFreak saw no reason to have Cloyster present.
>>58743413What game did Meowth miss?Also Koffing was incredibly consistant, wasn't it?
>>58743663It was absent from Arceus, which is otherwise the only real blemish on its attendance.as of current.
>>58743660The dude that bites Slowpoke's tail to become Slowbro is canonically a Shellder
>>58741956Will Pokopia count towards this?
>>58743674Yeah, but you can't catch a Shellder to exist independent of Slowpoke, thus neither it nor Cloyster are actually in the Lumiose Pokedex.
>>58743683How do those Slowpoke evolve in canon?
>>58741956You know there is going to be another DLC, because there are no Paldean Starters, they are saving those to get MegasThere will also be Mega Tinkaton, Mega Gholdengo, Mega Armarouge, Mega Ceruledge, and Mega Mask Ogerpon
>>58741956BDSP has no pre gen 5 mons, so gen 6, 7 and 8 are incorrect.>>58743682Pokopia isn't main series.
>>58742495>Personally I consider the first dex cut to be Gen 2.Its not a subjective thing, Joe.
>>58741956>>58742705>>58743089My predictions for Gen 9>SurvivesCharcadet line: They're going to try to make this the next Chandelure. To their credit, it is a good design and actually popular for it.Stinkatranny line: Shillmons in Japan.Gimmi/Ghold: Shillmons and le ebin #999/1000.>Maybe survivesApe line: Kanto privilege.Nacl line: Good competitively, but this has not stopped mons from getting dexcut, also they may try to turn it into a shillmon because of the Minecraft similarities.Glim line: GF is probably trying to brew a shillmon, especially given that it got a Mega.Dozo/Tatsugiri: Potential shillmons and mechanically novel, they might also be included for "asian diversity" if the region really is based off of Indonesia.Cyclizar: There have been no cases where a box legendary was not available in the generation after it, but I would not guarantee that the Raidons will get into Gen 10 because the new scooter mechanic will lead to people making angry comparisons about how much better riding the Raidons used to be like. Then again, GF is not the most rational company, and in addition, if the game's objectives really are based on the UN's SDG slop, then maybe Cyclizar will be shilled as an alternative to cars that "does not pollute". If the Raidons get in, then Cyclizar probably will too, if not, then it probably won't.>Does Not SurviveDogsSqawkabillyFlamigoScovillain line (Failed shillmons)
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>>58743565>What if you take into account regional Pokedex tho?No Pokémon saves itself. First that only Sylveon, Goomy and Bergmite can even qualify to that.>No Pre-Gen 5 mons survives Unova regional dex (BW1)>No Gen 8 mons survives Lumiose Dex (No Hyperspace)That only keeps the Gen 6 mons up to consideration. Goomy is the closest to "present in every dex", it appears in every single dex aside Blueberry Academy. Bergmite and Sylveon both are not present in either SV DLC dexes.
>>58741956>Here's ALL Pokémon that survived ALL dexcuts.Why word it like this? If they weren't in the most recent Legends Z-A game no shit they were dexcut.
>>58741980Neither is Gen 5
>>58742058Filthy fucking monotypes
>>58742058What would be a reasonable secondary type to give a regional Avalugg variant that would work with keeping its very high DEF stat? (Any thing that gives it a x4 weakness should just be ignored)
>>58744411Ice/Ghost with a signature ability that sends the hazards on your side of the field to the opponents when switching in and Chilly Reception.
>>58741956>retards on this board will still pretend that unova is shilled more than sinnoh after this.
>>58744480Ice/Ghost Iceberg Pokemon that has a crack in it from where a ship clearly crashed
>>58743762Nah they can move on to other things now. Next gimmick in 2026
>>58744480>>58744498> Historical Galarian Avalugg> Ice/Ghost> Unbreachable Pokemon> 95/108/84/34/84/108They’re known to move in large colonies through the frigid south oceans near the Crown Tundra where they ferry their young on their backs.Their bodies are made of razor sharp jagged sheet ice capable of cutting through most metals, it is believed that ships that sink as sea as a result of colliding with this Pokemon have their crews sealed within the strangely glowing crystalline structures on its back.> Ability 1: Cold Refute - When the weather is Snow or Hail, any entry hazards targeting this Pokemon are reflected back at the opponent.> Ability 2: Steel Shredder - This Pokémon’s Ice-Type moves deal x2 Damage to Steel-Types ignoring any existing type matchup (this still applies in Inverse Battles or if Avalugg’s attack has its type changed as a result of another move or ability)> Hidden Ability: Steelworker
>>58742049I love Glalie. Not as much as Froslass, but Glalie was always one of my favorites in the Gen 3 roster.
Rotom's rise to fame should be studied desuWhen I first played DP, I thought he was just some weak Legendary.
>>58744685By all rights it should be Porygon in that role
>>58741980This is why no one takes Hoennfags seriously
>>58742426Ahh, that makes sense. Thanks!
>>58744685>A static encounter that uses the Legendary theme in DPPt>Appliance forms changed from Ghost-type to other typings in Gen 5>Rotom Dex is your main companion in Gen 7>Rotom Phone alongside Rotom Bike and other Rotom stuff introduced in Gen 8 which remained in the series (already confirmed in Gaia too).They always pushed Rotom a lot to be honest. Gen 6 was the only generation where Rotom didn't receive anything which I theorize was because Cosplay Pikachu fits a similar gameplay role. I think Rotom Phone replaced Pokédex just because having a specific toy tablet is not popular with kids so you just have Rotom possessing your phone.
>>58743622Well BW2 and those Pokémon obtained in then BW post game areas is okay. Which means Pikachu and Eevee are out.
>>58743770You say that but that's what Bulbapedia considers for perfect attendance. It's even more autistic since they consider Kitakami a separate region from Paldea.
>>58743065im okay with that
>>58744685platinum giving him all the forms with multiple being meta staples is what cemented it
>>58745033>they consider Kitakami a separate region from Paldea.it is
>>58746046Home doesn't. For that matter the games don't consider Kanto in the Johto games as Kanto.
>>58746075sounds to me like gamefreak is just bad at implementing their own canonso, nothing new
>>58741956HERAGOD
>>58742657He was coolwst Bugmon in gen 1, so he gets some privileges
