Only 40 episodes into Advanced Generation after starting it 4 months ago. Sadly because it feels like a downgrade from even later Johto which itself was a downgrade from Kanto. Haruka is cute but has zero presence compared to Kasumi.Team Rocket feel like they're just going through the motions, with very few memorable intros or scenes (let alone entire episodes like the Nyarth Island)When does it get good? I'm 26 and brown if it matters
>>58742264>Haruka>Kasumiywnbj
Ironically when they get back to Kanto later on
>watching the anime
>>58742362Yes.
>>58742343....do you watch fucking dubs in the year of our lord 2025? are you for real?
>>58742264...why would you being brown ever possibly matter on this topic?
>>58742463>....go back
>>58742264Advanced Generation was just like this - after Shudo's departure and TPC attempting to clean-up Pokemon image for the global market, Yuyama and Takegami (director and the new writer, respectively) were left absolutely clueless about what to do with the anime.Objectively it's shit, but I guess it's passable if you treat as just glorified filler affected by production issues.
>>58742483...do you think people here don't post like that? are you a newfaggot?
>>58742264>Haruka is cute but has zero presence compared to Kasumi.Nigga what the fuck are you talking about, the main thing people praised about it when it was new was how much MORE presence she had. But>only 40 episodes inIf Haruka is your main focus, this is around the part where her Contest arc starts properly, so I guess that will improve it for you.
>>58742707>Nigga what the fuck are you talking about, the main thing people praised about it when it was new was how much MORE presence she had.You seem to be referencing her subplot with the contests but im talking more about character and comedy dynamics. She is clearly more one note and less versatile. She doesnt even get involved in takeshi's simp routine
>>58742500Did that happen during the original? Found johto generally weaker than kanto although the blissey and pidgey are top tier episodes
>>58742264first of all you need to be severely retarded to even get to johto in the anime. second even if you're already a drooling retard who watched the anime this much, it has to still kill your braincells just watching it because it's so retarded. how the fuck are you people even able to type? did your caretakers type it for you?
>>58743120??How do you know it's "retarded" if you didn't watch it?Also, media literate people can derive value from watching or reading all kinds of media, good or bad, the Pokemon anime has its qualities generally and as a franchise piece
>>58742264Never, you're watching the ashnime.>Team Rocket feel like they're just going through the motionsThat's literally what you're watching anon, if it took you this long to notice then its already "good" for you.
>>58743136>media literate peopleNTA but if you like the ashnime you very clearly aren't one.
>>58743163For around 200 episodes they're literally some of the best characters in fiction. Your second sentence is too vague but I assume you're conflating the fact that they always had a routine, which was varied and memorable up to a certain point in Johto, with the stagnation I'm describing where the variety kinda peters out and it feels like they're doing the same thing every episode. They're still good characters carrying the show but their presence just feels weaker now.
AG is only good for May/Haruka being cute, if you watch it for literally anything else you're going to be MASSIVELY disappointed. It's easily the second major quality tank after Johto and really it doesn't start to restructure itself until Battle Frontier to actually be a watchable show again
>>58743164The "ashnime" is over 1000 episodes, of which I've seen a little over 300; would say I like a solid half of it (with most of those being contained in the first 100 episodes) and the latter is more of a mixed-bag (which is often the case with this kind of long episodic serialization).
>>58743177>For around 200 episodes they're literally some of the best characters in fiction.Just because you're media illiterate. You haven't experienced other media. pic related.
>>58742264Never. It's a dumb Japanese cartoon for 6-11 year old kids made to tell toys. You're not supposed to watch it as an adult.
>>58743188>monkey noisesI just recently caught the premiere of Masao Adachi's latest film at a NYFF. Ever been to one? Do you even know who that is?I mean I'm no scholar but I'm definitely more media literate than almost anyone on 4chan (that's based on having browsed almost all of the big hobby boards since 2013).
>>58743214Its always funny how you ashfags think that because googling is a hard skill for yourselves, it somehow sounds impressive to reasonable people.
>>58743196When you consume more media, you'll learn that something being for kids isn't an automatic indictment - often it's actually the oppositeOjamajo Doremi is the best anime ever made, for example, and Princess Tutu is up there. If you specifically mean male-oriented "toy selling" franchises like Pokemon, look no further than Heybot! (also one of the best anime made). I'm not suggesting the Pokemon show is on par with those, just that your premise is nonsense
>>58743223I've literally preserved and archived obscure soviet cinema... I know you really wanted your strawman to work out, but it was catastrophically misplaced. Try again.
>>58742264It doesn’t. It mildly interesting early on due to the cast change. But once May and Max settle in, it just becomes a lamer version of mid-Johto and mid-Johto at least still had cel animation. Hell, you can even tell TPCI doesn’t care about it. They are uploading the AG episodes now and barely promote them.>>58742343
>>58742463For some reason there are some militants who still insist on dub names for the Pokemon anime because they grew up with it. You literally never see this with other franchises. All shonenfags who grew up on dubbed versions of shows like Dragon Ball and Naruto went on to default to the original Japanese audio (for those properties and anime in general) but with Pokemon? Gotta listen to some underpaid fat American woman who can't act their way out of a cardboard box, instead of top-tier voice actors at the height of a ruthlessly competitive industry
>>58743315Because dub is how the franchise operates. Do you fucking call them Lizardon, Ebui, Myutsu, Kabigon, Lucky and Kairyu too? No? Then you call the characters by their fucking dub names. It's a franchise meant for babies so they localize the names to be terms that are similar enough to the source so that babies that don't speak Japanese can understand the character's intent. She's called Kasumi because it's a term that means mist, which is why they localized her as Misty. Same with Haruka, which means Spring. May is a Spring month. They put enough effort to correlate the character names and will be referred to as such by official media unless your ass ACTUALLY speaks Japanese. 日本語出来ない?ないです?それは英語
>>58743230>When you consume more media, you'll learn that something being for kids isn't an automatic indictment - often it's actually the oppositeThis is true for franchises that aren't swamped in bureaucracy after several years of success. Pokemon unfortunately originated as a Nintendo franchise which means it got stuck with having to appeal to America and constantly be alongside Mario on cereal boxes. Other shows like Digimon were able to start fresh, keep a smaller, more loyal audience, and didn't have to answer to 4 companies at once plus their shareholders. Pokemon has the same issues of internal development/creative as Kingdom Hearts.
>>58743230Read the rest of my post, seething faggot. It's not JUST cause it's for kids, it's ALSO because it's nothing but a glorified ad. They clearly didn't want to write an interesting plot or characters who go through some sort of development. That's why everything is meaningless and artificially held in a status quo.Imagine defending advertisements.
>>58743240>obscure soviet cinemawhy, their characters aren't as good as the early ashnime ones :)>>58743362>Imagine defending advertisements.No, he's an intelectualino
>>58743341Your post is discussing names, I'm discussing acting quality and choice of dub. You're free to call her "Misty" if you like, but if you watch any show with vastly inferior, non-original, acting when there is a translation available for the original - you are an idiot. No ifs, ands, or buts.
>>58743355>This is true for franchises that aren't swamped in bureaucracy after several years of successPokemon is a strange example to frame as some artistically constrained corporate shell considering how artistic it's output has been in recent years. I'm only now watching the original show for the first time but I've seen all the various anime projects that have come out in recent years, like Twilight Wings and the music videos. >>58743362>because it's nothing but a glorified adWhich part of the games has someone pulling out a gun, or *direct* references to female breasts.>plotIt's not a plot-focused show.>characters who go through some sort of developmentI assume you mean characters changing and not development, which there's a lot of. It's not about dramatized character progression. Its an episodic comedy with largely static core characters. There's plenty of character development.
>>58743467>Which part of the games has someone pulling out a gun, or *direct* references to female breasts.What the fuck does that have to do with anything? What a stupid thing to bring up out of nowhere.>It's not a plot-focused show.Which is why it's shit and boring.>I assume you mean characters changing and not developmentRetard.>which there's a lot of. It's not about dramatized character progression. Its an episodic comedy with largely static core characters.Yes, that's why it's boring, mindless slop for kids.>There's plenty of character development.There is none. If anything, there's character regression or flanderization.You're a massive faggot for defending this slop.
>>58742264It doesn't. You should've hopped off the ride after Ash won the Orange League and got his pity championship, that way you could at least pretend the GS Ball hype didn't get taken out back and shot.
>>58743448You're already an idiot for watching a children's anime with 1000 episodes in the first place
>>58743505>What the fuck does that have to do with anything?It's a direct rebuke of the idea that it's "nothing but a glorified ad". It contains content and ideas which are at odds with the games. Are you cognitively disabled? Been a while since I've encountered someone this dumb AND loud on 4chan (granted I barely post here these days).>Which is why it's shit and boringIt's bad because it's not a plot-focused drama? There's nowhere within the realm of media literacy where that's an acceptable opinion. You must be 15 years old.>There is noneHow much of the Team Rocket cast's background is known in the first episode? How many times did you see them crying, or sympathising with other people and Pokemon, or seeing them in a protagonist role? Those elements are all DEVELOPED over time.>You're a massive faggot And you can't seem to conjure up any thought which isn't some variation of "durr it sucks/it's slop/shit". Go back to school, kiddie.
>>58743526We already debunked the "made for children = bad" idea. Moving on...>1000 episodesThe "Pokemon anime" is comprised of multiple different anime which are all no longer than 300 episodes, fewer than Gintama, and generally not longer than things like Urusei Yatsura. Is Gintama bad?
>>58743315Funniest thing is that these are also the same people going on and on about how terrible the anime is and how dumb you have to be to watch it, when it's actually held in fairly high regard in nipland and tons of adult celebrities talk about how they watch it weekly.Somehow the idea that they might think the show is awful because the dub is awful never seems to register.
If you're gonna go out of your way to watch children's anime, at least watch the actually good ones holy shit. The Pokemon anime is as brainless and mind-numbing as you can get.
>>58743598Pic unrelated?
>>58743535>It has guns and boobies so it's not a glorified ad ok?!Holy fuck, I figured you were retarded but I didn't think you were THAT retarded. Hope for your own sake that you're just trolling cause Jesus Christ.Also please look up what character development means. Read and learn. This is embarrassing.
>>58743598NOooo, an intellectual expert that read Tolstoi and Dostoievsky confirmed that they're the best fiction characters.>>58743550>The "Pokemon anime" is comprised of multiple different anime which are all no longer than 300 episodesThis is cope. The ashnime is a thing.
>>58742362The anime is the only good part of this franchise.
