humiliation ritual
>>58758095>>58749737samefag
I like how they used the anime from where ash looked the most gayest
>>58758297>most gayestHola senor
>>58758095Assh is TrAsh
>>58758328caring about grammar is ESL and brown, we would rape you here in aryan west virginia
>>58758095Ash cooks Yugi no problem, Atem would the real challenge. Ash still wins though.
>>58758705What could ash do about yugi making it a shadow game where all the pain his pokemon feel reflect onto him?
>>58758709yugi doesnt use villainous tactics like that. he only makes you suffer AFTER he's already won if even.
>>58758709He can’t—because Yugi alone cannot initiate a Shadow Game. Shadow Games aren’t a standard combat ability and are explicitly tied to Atem and the Millennium Items. Without Atem, Yugi has no authority or power to force one. If he could do that on his own, he’d never lose a duel in the series.And even if shared pain were relevant, Ash has already endured it before—most notably with Ash-Greninja, where he directly feels Greninja’s injuries and continues fighting anyway.
>>58758095Yakub Pikachu
>>58758726OK he's felt it from just ash greninja. But also every pokemon he would have on the battle?
>>58758748If we assume, purely hypothetically, that all of Ash’s Pokémon could somehow reflect their pain onto him at once, he’d probably still have a chance. Ash has repeatedly endured extreme physical and emotional stress (from Pokémon battles, falling from heights, explosions, etc.) and kept fighting. His pain tolerance is unusually high for a human.Even if every Pokémon’s pain hit him simultaneously, he’s survived situations that would break normal humans, including life-or-death battles against Legendary Pokémon.
Don't worry gang Liko will avenge us! Eventually!
>>58758906Liko is Ash's side bitch
>>58758095Ash was never going to beat Yugi but god damn did they nerf AshHolactie and the Spell/Trap cards absolutely carried Yugi’s monsters. Even without Solgaleo there was nothing in Yugi’s deck that Ash’s Pokemon couldn’t negdiff besides the Egyptian Gods and even they could conceivably be overcome by the combined power of Ash’s higher end Pokemon.Pikachu, Lucario and Infernape in particular must have been sick that day because none of them were even close to their usual power output in the fight.I genuinely feel like that extremely questionable Dark Hole Dragon and Glow Neos scaling was purely brought up because they knew they had to come up with something to balance out the scaling otherwise YuGiOh fans would lose their shit if they said “yeah Ash beats literally everything but Holactie”.But yeah Holactie overpowers everything Ash has and the spell/trap cards ensured Ash couldn’t circumvent her and that’s why Yugi was always going to win.Now this all goes out the window if we were talking about any other YGO protagonist. Post-DM era monsters are absurd and would crush Ash, nodiff.
>>58758095Imagine thinking Ash stood a chance against Yugi.
Ash jobbed so hard Holy Kek
>>58758994Holactie didn’t “prove” Yugi wins—she ended the fight via game rules, not combat scaling. The fact that Yugi needed Holactie and constant Spell/Trap support actually shows Ash’s top Pokémon could contest everything else. Ash being nerfed isn’t opinion, it’s visible in the feats shown, and the Dark Hole Dragon scaling feels like patchwork to justify the outcome. Saying “other YGO protagonists win easily” just highlights how much DM Yugi needed rule-based help here.
Could Ash beat Mai?
Solgaleo carries
>>58758994They nerfed Yugi harder, any of the Egyptian Gods would solo Ash's entire team without breaking a sweat.
>>58758994So you think we should just ignore dark hole dragon entirely? Thats stupid
I can't imagine being autistic enough to give a fuck which fictional character "wins" in some faggot's fanfic. Why the hell does this bullshit get so many threads?
GANDORA SOLOS
>>58758350>Amerifat hillbilly can't even speak his own language correctlyMany such cases
>>58759187You see there's this place called the playground. When we were kids we supposedly debated on this playground who would win between characters.
>>58759166I find that hard to believe considering slifer and ra have 0 attack.
>>58759262Ra nearly killed both yugi and Joey so no it doesn't have 0 attack retard
>>58759274Ra gains attack from sacrifices, there were no monster sacrifices present. Yugi and Joey were cooked because they obviously don't have any durability.
Pretty sure as the Pokemon master, Ash can call upon every and any Pokemon to assist him.
>>58759283Pretty sure yugi did get blasted directly by ra
>>58759302and Atem fell flat, unconscious and cooked, yes.
>>58759306So they both managed to not die from a god attacking them. Only thing close to a god ash has is solgaleo
>>58759312difference is, Ash could tank it without going unconscious.
>>58759348Post ash being hit by a god tier pokemon
Only time I can recall ash being hit by a very powerful pokemon was when he got fucking killed by mewtwo and mew. Best tank from a human in pokemon is from zinnia in the pokemon manga getting point blank hyper beamed by rayquaza. We've never seen a human in pokemon take an attack from a god.
>>58759359https://youtu.be/AupFEoIkSAE?si=fUoyP8sTFcsTiszh&t=423
>>58759392Damn, Ash is a fucking God.
>>58758994I mean, they nerfed Ash hard by not allowing Ash to use a Z move with his Solgaleo.
>>58759429Did he know the z move to solgaleo
>>58759453yeah. it's in the episode where he used it against necrozma along with Gladion using the moon version and in this episode.https://youtu.be/Mbn0Dha6vtw?si=6EAok2M6LY8pmQk7
>>58759512https://youtu.be/idtRTw8fL0M?si=zImA5dJoVdqTLg3X
>>58759512 He can only have 1 z move at once right? So he'd likely have it with Pikachu only when considering it at his strongest. Solgaleo isnt even standard to his team in the first place. Its like asking why he didnt use mega Charizard because he has a charizard. Ash didnt make a point about saving his best pokemon or items until the last season he would be in.
Ash's journey is endless, and he easily solos the Pokemon anime and game verse.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8s6CF0QOgY
Honestly I dont even believe ash should have been given the grace deathbattle gave him with being comparable to Cynthia. Whose garchomp managed to deflect a blow from palkia. None of ash's pokemon come close to Cynthia's garchomp.
>>58759553bro... Ash beat Cynthia fair and square and made her retire to becoming his housewife.
It took ash about 17? Seasons to get to making it to top 2 in a league. He is a garbage trainer
>>58759557Ash is such a good trainer that his heracross couldn't even one shot a darkrai with a super effective attack...
>>58759564>darkraiIt's a legendary.
Ash who would forget what a koffang is. A pokemon from his home region. One he encounters a hundred times. Uses a pokedex to remember what it is. He is completely retarded
Ash who brought a water/ground type to fight elesa right. Would rely only on that palpitoad so when it goes down he tries to use attract on emolga but it's the wrong gender. This is the dude I'm supposed to believe is a champion level trainer
This is the same Yugi who would’ve lost half his duels if the anime didn’t literally hand him the exact card he needed every time. Champion my ass. See I can do it too.
if this was Yuma vs ash, yuma would win easily regardless since he is my favorite yugioh protag because i said so
>>58759595same for pokemon who handed Ash a bunch of wins for things that would've costed him so many battles, what are you even talking about? he literally sent his buziel to torpedo itself into a ice move and hoped for the best while their opponents stare dumbfounded just like one of the champions i forgot the women with the gardevoir who stared into space throughout the whole match
You can't humiliate someone whose entire personality is being a fucking loser
Let's take a small look at ashes team building why not. Pikachu is a glass Canon. It has to be there no matter what do I'll Give it a pass.Greninja is good. Good ability. Good typing.Goodra. Does fuck all for this team. Noivern. Doesn't help with anything type coverage wiseTalonflame. Is ok. Good coverage and typeHawlucha. It's shit for type coverage An ice, ground, or rock type pokemon would beat his ass.
>>58759608Yugi who somehow wins every duel even when his opponent clearly has the upper hand. He literally relies on drawing the perfect top-deck every single time while his rivals just sit there doing nothing. This is the guy people hype as a ‘master duelist’?
>>58759595>if yugi wasnt a god he would loseWow it's almost because he's a god that he can win against people who can>see the next move he makes>have the best cards in the game>have gods What the fuck would ash do about Pegasus being able to predict every move he would make? Fuck all
>>58759623"Pretty sure Pegasus can’t actually predict the future. What does he do, just look at his own cards? Oh wait… that’s literally all he does. Regular Yugi isn’t some unstoppable oracle—without Atem, all that ‘foresight’ is meaningless.
When the fuck did the anime start to suck ash off as a good trainer anyway? The guy never fully evolved a ton of his pokemon and gets free badges out of pity most of the time.
>>58759621did we just forget Millenium puzzles exist also both mc's have been handed the plot advantage a bunch of times like this isn't some uncommon occurrence even beyblade had that issue with gingka vs ryuga,Ryuga was destroying most of the side characters and the main character not once but twice but somehow lost to the plot of friendship Mc's are always going to get a advantage at something and do something that the games or rules don't have its common knowledge but not acknowledging that both Mc's are carried by the plot is really dumb if we didn't have that most mc's would lose most matches
>>58759629The millennium eye allowed the user to see the targets next move. Are you retarded
>>58759637Funny you say that, because you’re acting like Ash being ‘handed wins by the plot’ is normal, but then treat Yugi as if he’s some perfectly fair duelist. Both MCs get plot advantages constantly—ignoring that for Yugi while criticizing Ash is exactly the kind of hypocrisy you’re complaining about.
>>58759640because he is most of the things he does is by chance but somehow, he wins most of those hence the plot and i just brought up how trainers that go against him for some reason stare into space and don't do anything
>>58759640Ash lost to Wulfric dude. An ice type gym leader. The most simple to counter type in the fucking series to defeat
>>58759638Oh brother, the Millennium Eye lets you see the card someone plays, not predict every action in a real-world fight. Ash isn’t playing a card game—he’s throwing punches and commands to Pokémon. Seeing moves on a card table doesn’t suddenly let Pegasus dodge or control physical attacks.
>>58759648are you an esl or just inept in reading and watching shows Pegasus literally states that he reads the future in the show
>>58759648Pegasus is a shadow game user. His monsters are very real. He would fold ash like an omelet
>>58759651also, you're confusing him for sartorious
>>58759651Just because Pegasus claims he can read the future doesn’t mean he actually does. In-universe, it’s still tied to the card game mechanics—he sees what cards are likely to be played, not every physical action in a fight. Saying ‘he reads the future’ and treating it like real-world omniscience is a huge stretch. If that is true who would need the millenium necklace.
>>58759662>card game mechanicsYou keep bringing this up as some kinda gotcha when the monsters in yugioh can kill people without the mechanics and have done so
>>58759614im pretty sure once yami summoned Ra, Obelisk, and silfer im pretty that was enough to actually win the battle i don't why yami went overboard with horokathy he had enough to win with just Ra or obelisk effects alone
>>58759669Sure, some monsters can hurt people, but that’s different from assuming the card mechanics themselves—like Trap and Spell cards—automatically work outside a duel. Yugi’s monsters don’t just bypass reality; they still rely on the duel system. Saying ‘they kill people without mechanics’ ignores that most feats are contextual to the rules of a duel, not free-form combat.
>>58759662>did not watch the uncensored yugioh version probably only watched the 4kids version or American version of yugioh he can kill people and has before
>>58759672>yami
>>58759675>Trap and Spell cards don't work outside a duelPegasus killed bandit kieth instantly by doing this
>>58759675yes, they can arc v showed these traps can used to hurt people in the game and this gave off a concept how traps can affect people or the stage
>>58759679Saying ‘he can kill people’ ignores that outside a duel, there’s no canon evidence he could actually make them work.
>>58759680isn't that yugi's last name also wasn't he the one taking over the duel after greninja knocked his Millenium puzzle off?
>>58759683lol, haha, no.
>>58759684ARC-V showed that some traps can hurt people within the context of a duel, which gives the concept of traps affecting people or the stage—but it doesn’t mean they work in real-world combat outside a duel.
>>58759686>manga ???? are we serious that like saying pokemon had kill people when you know they won't ever show this besides making people fade into another existence or just saying they fell, even the person that was said to be killed came back
>>58759692
>>58759691bro... muto is Yugi's last name. And that's not the point, Yugi can't command or use the god cards, only the Pharoh Atem does.
>>58759695that literally shows there's literal proof of it possibly being able to use against people if yugi wanted his Millenium puzzle or bakura's millennium item to hurt people. even that one character who started the crossover movie could do that considering how much one of the dragons from 5d's can cause damage to a city
>>58759701And what trap card is this? Pegasus declared this a penalty game and didn't activate anything
>>58759702mb i confused yami for his last name also doesn't the last duel between yugi and atem disproves that since he was able to control Slifer
>>58759714What's stopping him from doing this to ash? And having Pikachu just thunder ash to death or eat his own pokeballs
>>58759712Showing that a monster or item could theoretically hurt someone in a duel or a movie scene isn’t proof it would automatically work outside those rules. Yugi’s Millennium Puzzle or Bakura’s item only function within the context of the duel or their specific scenarios. Just because 5D’s dragons can cause city-scale damage in-story doesn’t mean every card effect translates to real-world combat against Ash.
Why does ashfag keep pretending the monsters don't have any real combat capabilities
>>58759720Even if Pegasus tried a Shadow Game-style penalty, it wouldn’t affect Ash because those effects only trigger if the participant breaks the rules of the game. Ash isn’t bound by duel mechanics, so he could ignore it entirely.
>>58759721yes, it could that's like saying ash's pikachu 10mil volt whatever move cannot be dodged or stopped when we don't know that since all it's been used against were 2 beings besides the game saying so do we actually know if it cannot be stopped or dodged when we've seen monsters in yugioh's stop attacks from legendary cards themselves with their effects alone
>>58759731>Ash isn’t bound by duel mechanics, so he could ignore it entirely.Would he also be bound to attacking with one pokemon at a time with your gay logic?
>>58759725Here’s the thing—you keep mixing two completely different contexts. Those Egyptian God feats you’re showing happened inside a duel, often as a narrative device, not free-form real-world attacks. Just because Slifer or Ra are powerful in a duel doesn’t automatically mean they could do the same outside the game mechanics. That’s why people say their attacks are effectively ‘0’ in real-world scaling—you're literally combining in-duel effects with reality, which isn’t a fair comparison.
>>58759739Nope—Ash isn’t limited by turn-based duel rules. He can command multiple Pokémon at once, switch them freely, and act in real time. That’s the whole point—he’s consistent in actual combat, not following card-game mechanics.
>>58759733also, inb4 you say, "we don't know how this would translate into the pokemon world" ITS BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO SEPERATE UNIVERSES INCOMPATIBLE so once again theres a chance both rules don't really need to apply to anything both shows weren't really built for each other but there are proof of these cards being able to hurt people showing that they can be real if the duelist wants to be hence the 4kids movie and the ka (evil) and good (ka)
>>58759745I fail to see how the gods aren't capable of doing damage when I'm pretty sure they blow up a sizeable portion of Egypt during the fight with zorc
>>58759751What if I just made a penalty game for ash then that if he tries to use his pokemon his soul will get bound to a card like yugis grandad
>>58759733>>58759753That’s a false equivalence. Ash’s attacks happen in real time against opponents who can move, dodge, or defend, while Yugi’s monsters stopping attacks happens within the duel system, bound by game mechanics. You can’t just assume card effects translate perfectly to real-world combat—Ash isn’t playing a turn-based game. Exactly—that’s why favoring Yugi so heavily is biased. The universes are completely incompatible, so you can’t just assume duel mechanics automatically work on Ash and his Pokémon. Even if some cards could hurt people in a movie or special scenario, that doesn’t mean Yugi can use them against someone outside a duel.
>>58759762Ash would have to lose the game first to be penalized, Ash wouldn't even accept the game and just throw hands.
>>58759755Even if the Egyptian Gods caused massive destruction against Zorc, that was one narrative event in a scripted duel. Ash’s Legendary Pokémon like Ho-Oh, Arceus, or Necrozma have real-world feats that consistently show massive durability, destructive power, and adaptability across multiple battles. Unlike the Gods, who are bound by duel mechanics and story, Ash’s Pokémon operate in real time, can act simultaneously, and have demonstrated city-level to universe-level effects depending on scaling. In a true combat scenario, his Legendary Pokémon could easily match or surpass the Gods’ damage output.
>>58759770You really think ash is smart enough to not accept a game?
>>58759784Ash would have to hear the rules before acceping. If it's battling, Ash would still accept and everything would end up being a death battle all over. But the point is, Ash needs to break the rules of the game set in order to be penalized.
>>58759780How is the ground and an entire city block being vaporized. And a demonic entity that is zorc dying a part of a scripted card game? We're the guards that bakura straight up murders with a monster card apart of a script?
>>58759780>Ho-Oh, Arceus, or NecrozmaAsh doesn't have any of those mons and it's sad that you have to make shit up like that to make him stand a chance.
>>58759794It’s a bit misleading—those events were scripted within the Memory World arc, not free-form, real-world combat feats. Zorc dying and the city block vaporizing were tied to the past events. Essentially, Atem was shaping destiny that arc, so it doesn’t automatically scale to real-world fights. In actuality, Atem didn’t fully destroy or permanently banish Zorc in the past; his sealing in the Millennium Puzzle contained Zorc’s influence and preserved the balance of divine magic until laterZorc and the destruction were real—but that doesn’t mean the Egyptian Gods automatically scale to beat Ash’s team in a comparable, real-world fight.
>>58759796He has Solgaleo, and he'd probably call upon all the legendaries to help him fight, if he wanted to, I mean he is a Pokemon master for a reason, and if Ash asked they would help him.
>>58759815So you are just ignoring the yugioh monsters destroying things
>>58759826It lacks consistency. At best the Egyptian Gods are city level feats, they aren't even scaled to be as big as gigantamax pokemon
>>58759817>ash is a pokemon masterNah dude never beat a single e4 member Never beat a pokemon league
>>58759817Yeah he'll just call up Ho-Oh on his Rotom phone and ask for help since he can't do it with what he has
>>58759833but he did.
>>58759829So you are just downplaying literal gods that can reach infinite attack
>>58759839Nothing from after xyz matters to me because frankly I don't give a shit sry.
>>58759843‘Infinite attack’ in Yu‑Gi‑Oh! doesn’t mean the monster can actually destroy everything in real-world physics—it’s a game mechanic. It just means the card has no limit within a duel. Outside the duel, there’s no canon evidence Yugi can actually summon a literal unstoppable force. Treating it like real-world omnipotence is a huge stretch.
>>58759839Only took him twenty something years and how many attempts?Watching you Ashfags going for gold in mental gymnastics was the real humiliation ritual.
>>58759849I don't give a shit if you think its game mechanics. Infinite attack obelisk the tormenter likely kills any pokemon that isn't a legendary
>>58759847It happened in Pokemon Journeys. xyz Ash sucks, SM Ash is better.
>>58759857>xyz ash was the last time anybody cared about ashFtfy
>>58759857>the season where Ash realized he was such a bad trainer he had to go back to schoollmao
>>58759856Well, I have no idea how we’re supposed to scale this—what does a 300 ATK Kuriboh even scale to in real-world terms?
Xyz ash fucked so hard they had to retcon him from the show! Kekkypow!
>>58758095The ceossover powerlevel community is so bizarre
>>58758994Mirror Force rapes all of them
A KEK WHO CAN'TCONTROL HIS WIIIIEEENNERRR
Ash wins
>>58758095buy an ad nobody over 12 years old watches that garbage
>>5876155412 year old franchies
