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Ash is dead, move on.
>>58760935This is like when the BW ashnime was flopping so hard they had to bring back Cynthia, but Pokemon has fallen so low since then that now Ash works as engagement bait.
>gets btfo by yugi>tries to recover his reputation by coming back to the animeKWAB
>>58760935>look it up because OP fucking sucks at breaking news and I'm never watching pokeslop>it's about Steven Stone showing up in a flashbackClickbait
>>58760935>Pokemon Horizon is generally positive.>fans: we want ash.
>>58761269>Clickbait Editor contradicts himself and projects his opinion as the majorityFirst time to tabloid faggotry?
>>58760935Oh my fucking god. Why are manchildren so obsessed with this retarded kid. Let him fucking go already. Fucking turboautists.
>>58760935Ash lives on in the head of his equally retarded fan base and haters
>>58760935Horizon has always been a flop. Glad it shows.
Horizon is about to end so no Ash. But it's a fact it flopped
>>58760935This is like the fifth fucking time someone's written this exact headline, and the "setup" is always some random shit that's clearly not setup.
>>58761436>pokemon anime >endingGood one
So what would even be next for Pokeanime?There's no new gen, what do they do to shill when the anime is such a lesser medium now?
>>58761466They're chabging the cast for next gen
>>58760958Ash didn't show up though.
>>58761467You really think pokemon games ended forever?
>>58761480Do you think gen 10 has release yet?Your reading comprehension is dogshit.
>Euro hours end>Turbofaggotry of retards fighting each other starts to slips inI learned today that outside of Japan and Europe, Anime discussion is fucked and completely brain dead.
Just let Ash rest already god damn. Poor kid got squeezed dry of any sort of interesting character development or interactions, there's nothing new you can do with him anymore that hasn't already been done
>>58761496Do you think Horizons has already ended?>>58761525He isn't back anon.
People talking about let me rest or die like he’s an actual person that will respond to the demand of his return lmao
>>58761552Ashfags outright think he's real and a "victim" of bad writing.
>>58761525Ash still haven't able to do many things he could have done as a Pokémon protagonist because of the stupid rules forced on to his head and now the anime wants to do those things with the new protagonist Liko & Roy despite not having a quarter of the character development and appeals that Ash had .Ash doesn't need rest, he deserves justice.
case in point
>>58761466Do you know how much it costs to make a single episode of Pokémon anime? None of the popular video game IP has an anime running this long. Nether Mario, Neither Zelta, Neither Sonic , Neither Mega Manman and even Youkai Watch shut down their anime.Truth is, the only reason Executive run this anime series for this long was due to the popularity of Ash, Pikachu and TRio. Something that none of cast of Horizons has replicate. There is no reason to run this series if Ash is not popular & new characters fails to replicate his original charm. They could just keep producing Poketoon and other "Winds" series like Kalosian Wind to promote PLZ-A.
>>58761600>They could just keep producing Poketoon and other "Winds" series like Kalosian Wind to promote PLZ-A.You'd bitch about those too anyways.
>>58761584Yeah, Ashfags are schizos with a huge victim complex.
>>58761525Clearly everyone wants to see Ash cook every trainer in existence while building a team even stronger than the next.
>>58761613sorry your self insert game characters are weaker than Ash.
>>58761609I'm pretty sure you're replying to the autistic faggot who singlehandedly ruined all Paldean Winds threads with his schizo meltdowns, so yes, you're spot-on
>>58761560Didn't this retard win a championship? Who the fuck cares about anything he could do otherwise he hasn't already done? What you want ash to do if he comes back? Continue to get his penis sucked by Pikachu? Fuck off
>>58761600>popularity of Ash, Pikachu and TRioLemme get this straight. I fucking hate ash. I hate what he represents. He's fucking never going to age past ten years old. He is a zombie that lost all of his original grit from the first few seasons. Them changing him out actually got me to watch the pokemon anime again. I was sick and tired of ash.
Yugi won btw
>>58761821Ash cooks Yugi though.
>>58761823Proof?
>>58761821He did and they are still upset
>5 hours>Less than 40 replies>Only gets slightly faster by bringing up the death battle unprompted for attentionDon't know if I should be proud of retards not immediately biting every supposed article or laugh at the faggots who need to switch gears or act retarded to get their dosis of feeling acknowledged.
>>58760935And THIS is why they've been so autistic about avoiding the use of any characters or even legendary Pokemon that have appeared in the Ashnime prior. They tested the waters with Steven, and it's just not worth it.
>>58761609>>58761613Not me though, the Ashfags you mentioned wasn't even an Ashfags. He even attacked actual Ashfags for disagreeing with him.
>>58761830what can yugi do without atem?
>>58761788>Didn't this retard win a championship?A poorly written poorly conceived championship where his final opponent was a Charizard in its BASE form. Its like saying Dragonball should have ended with Goku winning the world martial arts tournament and marrying Chichi. No Z series, No Freeza, No alien, No super saiyan transformation.
>>58761932>WhataboutismToo late. They digged their own grave and you faggots hyped him winning up too much for any revision to made on it.
>>58761915Even Atem can't do anything without the millennium puzzle. The anime never bothered to give Ash something to deal with super powered human like Sabrina which showcase there were a lot of things for Ash to do on Pokémon anime.
>>58761945>Give him something that is more suited for others charactersYeah no, sounds boring and like circlejerking paddling.
>>58761943>>58761943>They digged their own graveThey digged nothing, even Tyson won the world cup three times on Beyblade. OLM should have fully committed to slice of life adventure aspect of the original series but put multiple villain arc on per with YGO and Digimon.For example: what if Ash met his own version of Kaiba who has a meltdown over losing to Ash, decide to kidnap his mother to force Ash and friends to a death game on a battle tower?
>>58761977>Digimon and Yu-Gi-Oh out of nowhere>Whataboutism>Garbage copying of moments from Yu-Gi-Oh but with Ash>ESLYour tantrum is worthless and discarded. Get a job Fagmon.
>>58761945Ash couldn't deal with sabrina in the past but now that he has aura he'd win.
>>58761954You mean something that would negate magic and hex so people like Sabrina or Avery would have no choice but to have Pokémon battle against him instead of using their power.
>>58761932>Its like saying Dragonball should have ended with Goku winning the world martial arts tournament and marrying Chichi. No Z series, No Freeza, No alien, No super saiyan transformation.That'd have been pretty based ngl
>>58761989Sounds like cope >>58761992Except the anime done nothing with aura.
>>58761932>poorly writtenIf you got to that point you clearly don't care about that.>Its like saying Dragonball should have ended with Goku winning the world martial arts tournament and marrying Chichi. That's a very common take and it would have been fine ending there, as much as I like what came after.
>>58762003>You mean [more ooc tangents to justify his SI fantasies and to get ammunition for his petty beef with a fan made battle]Everything that comes out of your mouth is a dumpster fire of retardation and reeking insecurity. Just take the advice and get a Job Fagmon, you're a embarassment and a waste of hobo bucks.
>>58762011>S-sounds like copeWeakest projection. Seek out your nearest employment centre, maybe you can actually obtain useful skills instead of pretending like everyone else but you is incompetent.
>>58761932So you want Pokemon to turn into multiverse wank and now Ash needs to become the multiverse's strongest trainer? Damn, at that point you're not even watching Pokemon for Pokemon anymore.
>>58760935>Ash returning is seen as a positive nowGrim
>>58762052>Ash needs to become the multiverse's strongest trainerhe already is one but yes
>>58762058Nope. He only became the strongest trainer of the Ashnime universe. Masters is noncanon fan wank that's not mentioned in any game or by Ash himself, and any of his big battles from his Masters story are left ambiguous just to make sure they don't piss anyone off
Maybe Death Battle proved that Ash still had some staying power.He built up a massive roster over 20 years that STILL somehow generates engagement.
>>58762069Ash was already in the games though, how does ash greninja exist in SM if Ash doesn't exist.
>>58762084>Ash-GreninjaRetconned out of existence. Battle Bond just gives a stat boost now, no Bond Phenomenon, and Journeys recounting his time with Greninja only shows normal Greninja in scenes where it was originally Ash-Greninja.
>>58762083Nobody but some ashfags have ever said Ash wasn't ever popular or beloved. It hate him but he lasted so long for a reason.
>>58762083Repeating the same talking points of "He should've used X in Y" is a sign of detoriating powerlevelfaggotry and just forms down to:>Whose fanfic team combo can get myself sucked off the most while turning it into a oneshot fest?
>>58761838>Six hours later>Now it's powerwank fantasies and more death battle crapAdd lack of object permamence to the list.
>>58762108This is why Ash was retired. When you make him the world's strongest trainer, everything everyone enjoyed about Ash (his battles and striving to become Pokemon Master through said battles) is no longer enjoyable without upping the scale. There's LITERALLY no way back from this without a hard reboot, but at that point you're not even watching the same character anymore, so it doesn't matter. And by rebooting, you admit that even in victory, he'll lose, so why bother giving a shit?
>>58761932>poorly conceived championshipOf course it was. The entire thing was retarded because he didnt do what you'd expect and runthrough a gauntlet of the e4 and then the champions. Instead they make up some retarded headcanon tournament facing every champion ever because ash is a fucking bad character.
>>58762154>everyone enjoyed about Ash (his battles and striving to become Pokemon Master through said battlesExcept you then claim that you "watch it for the pokemon, not ash".Also, that it didn't matter whether he lost "because being a Pokemon Master was never said to be about battles".And if you even enjoyed the strive then you'd have seen the scam in the loss in Johto at the latest
>>58762154It can be enjoyable, just make Ash not lose.
>>58762165And that's what they did. They made him not lose, but because no win would be "good enough" after everyone cried "LITERAL WHO BOONIE LEAGUE!!!!!! IT'S JUST AS IRRELEVANT AS ALOLA!!!!! MAGIKARP BATTLE ROYALE!!!!!!!!!!!" at the Alola League, they had to bring down the World Coronation Series, because you can't get more "it counts!" than becoming the world's strongest trainer.
>>58762173Just make everything seem difficult and new to Ash but Ash still wins. People can complain about plot armor and what not, but really every MC has plot armor. But as time goes on and If they are consistent with Ash's wins endlessly, it won't be plot armor.
>>58762173World's strongest trainer that needs every single gimmick in the franchise to go mid diff with iris btw lol
>>58761600TV Tokyo eat the cost, because selling the anime to ALL the various overseas territories and concerns funds the majority of their OTHER production costs on ALL their intended telly programs for the fiscal year.n Do you understand that most of the IP's you listed are not FOCUSED on children, the way Pokémon is, aside from YoKai Watch, whose ENTIRE IP worth cratered as their rights holders tried to keep pace with Game Freak, but couldn't actually keep pace, needed to severely delay the games, but launching the newest anime anyway because "shit, we need to PAY for all this overbudget, delayed game". They "run it this long" because adult humans (and some teens) are still having kids, thus adding fresh blood to the target demographic Pokémon chases. And as such, there's ALWAYS a fucking 7 year old who'll sit down and watch it, even if it's not (You) overgrown 7 year olds sitting down to watch it, because your autistic self-insert's gone and you can't autistically and vicariously self-insert into a more competent example of a human.
>>58761932>axsh's whole existence was to re-tell the basic plot of the current Pokéon game>for 6 Gens the player DID NOT become champion after beating the champion>in the 7th Gen, the whole point fo the trial challenge was to become the first-ever champion of the Alola region after Kukui established the Pokémon League of Alola>mong retards seethe the anime series based off that game similarly establishes no existing Champion, a League founded during events by Kukui, where the Player Character stand-in subsequently wins out to become the first Champion of the Alola regionI think the ghreater issue is you clearly went full-retard and expected Ash to beat an OC, when Ash CONSTANTLY AND CONSISTENTLY loses to OC characters, because they are not canonical game characters the MC ALWAYS defeats on the way to completing the game, thus can actually beat the MC like a drum to send him off to shill the new Region, League and game.
>>58762099>he lasted so long for a reason.Because the anime staff were scared of reactionary blowback from removing him and yajima was a self-inserter. Teraleak revealed that last year. Do try and keep up.
>>58762301So he lasted so long for a reason then?
Wow just when I thought this thread couldn't get even more autistic you spergs whip out the fucking death battle faggotryI hate mentally 10 year old manchildren so fucking much, you should be euthanized
>>58762354no wonder you are willing to suck up to yugi's high school dick.
>>58762354mentally 10 year old manchildren franchises
Shudo's Ash was wildly popular, that's undeniable. It's after Shudo left and Yuyama's autism took over that the ashnime took a nosedive.Ever since the Paul fiasco and the even bigger BW fiasco Ash became a meme. Some people briefly recovered the faith during XY, but then Alain happened and Ash was doubled down as a meme. At that point it had been almost 20 years and almost everyone who remembered early Ash fondly has already moved on in life, leaving only retards and spergs, some of which are still sperging around even today, almost a decade later. You know who.So yea Ash is both very popular (Shudo era) and a complete joke (post DP). Even former fans pointed and laughed ("lmfao he's still around?") when Ash made a headline in normie media once in a blue moon.He had such a long ride because of a couple of senior directors' autism and because of Japan's retarded corporate culture nobody dared to contradict them. Even Ishihara wanted Ash gone since at least DP (as per Teraleak documents) but still didn't do a move, maybe because he didn't have strong feelings or because nips consoom and the Pokémon money print machine was unaffected by the now recurring anime fiascos and the constant viewership decline.Now audiences have changed and few people watch HZ, but also few people (maybe even fewer, I'm not sure) watched Journeys. Kids now have the attention span of a kitten and only watch 30 second tiktoks. Maybe Pokémon should drop anime altogether and focus in projects like Paldean Winds etc. Or grow a pair and make a proper anime targeted at teens/young adults. HZ gives me the feeling the creatives really wanted to make that step and the suits didn't allow it.>>58762301>yajima was a self-inserterYajima or Yuyama? I know Yuyama was the reason Ash was forbidden from winning a League, but I'm not sure what was Yajima's role in the whole debacle.
>>58762440>Paul fiascoTobias fiasco. I said the wrong edgelord. But you get the idea
>>58761915The end of the original series is literally Yugi surpassing Atem
>>58762461Pretty sure Atem would have won that duel if atem utilized all the God's cheat powers. Atem could summon horactys if he wanted to and win. Yugi had no chance other than plot convenience.
>>58762461>>58762494Go back to the playground faggots
>>58762158>It's okay when B2W2 does it
>>58762506Difference is, the PWT's battles against the Gym Leaders and Champions from all the other regions is noncanon.
Ash lost again because his only defining trait is being a fuckupI'd say cry moar but frankly everyone here is sick of hearing it
>>58762588These autists will literally never stop crying until their self-insert is back (which won't happen)
>>58762440the shudino cope will always be funny
>>58762052Better than Horizons.
>>58762286What the fuck is this nonsense? This reads like some dumbass SM fanboy faggotry written after the fact to "explain" how supposedly obvious it was that Ash always lost except in Alola. The anime never did the Elite Four + Champion style leagues from the games in the first place you dumbass, nobody ever expected Ash to randomly become Champion by winning a league. None of the people we DID see win leagues in the anime ever became champion by doing so because that's just not how the league works in the games.
>>58762017Except Dragonball only became an actual hit with Z series.
>>58762154Wrong in all fronts because I still want him to curbstomp Alain no matter how many champion he defeats.
>>58762990No, it was popular prior. Not to mention quality!=popularity but I that's hard for Ashfags.
>>58762849But it's true, the only memorable (in a good way) part of the ashnime is the early era
>>58761932Dumb retarded Ash self-inserter.Kill yourself.
>>58762990But Z was actually good>>58763026DB was popular but not at the degree of DBZ. However>quality!=popularityyou're right about thisBut there was also a change of focus, DB was adventure focused (think One Piece) while DBZ was a pure battle shonen. Both parts were good at what they intended to doUnlike the ashnime that became shit and redundant after like 4-5 years
>>58761600>Do you know how much it costs to make a single episode of Pokémon anime?Considering the lackuster and impar quality, the fact a lot of animation got outsourced to china/korea/SEA AND a lot of VAs are under TPC umbrella, I bet each episode cost under 1 mil yen
>>58761843I still remember the Meowth in the bleachers that got wiped out of existence.
Ash is too good for Horizon
>>58763026>>58763186Nobody even knew Dragonball existed until Z happened. Also drop the act, if there were no Z then all of you would have complained about Dragonball being more gag anime with gag logic and not a serious anime. Exactly like how all of you complain over MPM even though its writing was better quality than Horizons.Ash winning the world championship didn't end his story, it opened up possibilities for new types of stories that pokemon could not do because of all the dumb rules shoved on to Ash . If they tries to push those stories with a brand new protagonist then they will be dubbed as a self insert mary sue. Ash doesn't have that problem because he spent 23 years as an underdog.
>>58763898>Nobody even knew Dragonball existed until Z happenedUncultured westerners maybe...
>>58763996Dragonball's longevity doesn't come from story, it comes from Super Saiyan transformation. People doesn't watch Dragonball for story, they watch it to see Goku and Vegeta getting new form and fusion.The same logic applies to Pokémon anime as well, people only watched it to see Ash catch new Pokémon, defeating new rivals and woo another girl l. So when the anime removed him, they removed the hook that kept people watching.
How much of an autist do you have to be to still care about AshI stopped watching when I was 12 because the show was too fucking boring for me even then, how the fuck can you watch it as an adultLiterally nothing interesting ever happens and Ash is a non-character
>>58760958Tbf, Cynthia does show up in the BW games
>>58764154>Ash is a non-characterFunny when you actually compare Ash with other anime characters, he seems to have more characters than them. Even Goku was butchered harder than Ash on Super where he consistently lost for being overconfident & letting his guard down and forgot he has a granddaughter. Then there is Taichi who was insufferable in Digimon Tri and reboot despite aging. People who consider Ash a non-character are probably the same group who thinks Jin-woo and Sesshomaru are well written character but can't stand Subaru from Re:zero.Ash's only main flaw was that he wasn't allowed to progress or have good things untill people got mad at the Kalos league. It wasn't even his fault since he had all the development needed to become a champion during DP series but the writer kept sabotaging him to push their OC such as Alain and Trip.
>>58764251Digimon Tri and Kizuna wasn't made by the original writers and they were mostly against it.Taichi also needs to have a personality since Digimon's story is more personal while Satoshi can be as bland as a sheet, cuz let's be honest, most people just watch it because of the Pokemon.
>>58761470Good liko has no charisma and the black kid is cringe
>>58760935Horizons or 2023 is a different universe.Daigo/Steven was a game cameo not anime one.Horizons is ending early next year and Satoshi is returning as the protagonist.
>>58763898>Nobody even knew Dragonball existed until Z happenedYes anon, the very competitive environment of jump allowed Toriyama to publish 17 volumes worth of manga that no one read out of the goodness of their hearts, and it wasn't until toonami that anyone cared about DB.>Exactly like how all of you complain over MPM even though its writing was better quality than Horizons.We complain about MPM for being the worst product of the entertainment industry, not because it has gags.> it opened up possibilities for new types of stories that pokemon could not do because of all the dumb rules shoved on to AshAsh isn't a real person.>If they tries to push those stories with a brand new protagonist then they will be dubbed as a self insert mary sueYou're the ones crying about that.
>>58764251>b-but other characters are bad too!Doesn't make him better at all>Ash's only main flaw was that he wasn't allowed to progress or have good thingsThat's a huge fucking flaw though, it literally defines the shows progress, and that's why it's dogshit
Nobody even knew Pokemon existed until Liko happened. People don't want to see some dumb boy walking around, they're watching it to see a sexy girl with nice legs do lewd things with her mons and girlfriends.
>>58764285>Satoshiyou will never be japaneseand he's not returning
>>58763575Interesting if true.
>>58764426>the very competitive environment of jump allowed Toriyama to publish 17 volumes worth of manga that no one read out of the goodness of their heartsShonen jump has manga that were popular but never reached the same success as Dragonball and Naruto, specially on US.>We complain about MPM for being the worst product of the entertainment industryYet that "worst" product was several times better than Horizons.>Ash isn't a real person.When did I said he was?>>58764426>You're the ones crying about that.Dude, you are the one defending Roy getting mega Lucario out of nowhere and somehow defeated a champion with it. >Doesn't make him better at allActually it does.>>58764488>That's a huge fucking flaw though, it literally defines the shows progressThis ain't your serious battle anime, its a kodomo anime. It can go another 20 years with Ash catching new Pokémon, taking down new villains and wooing many girls.
>>58764557>Shonen jump has manga that were popularSo you're conceding that Dragonball was actually popular before Z?>Yet that "worst" product was several times better than Horizons.no it wasn't>its a kodomo animethen why are you still obsessed lmfao, move on faggot
>>58764557Pokemon horizons is better than the ashime ever was
>>58764557>Shonen jump has manga that were popular but never reached the same success as Dragonball and Naruto, specially on US.Kek, this doesn't address the point at all>When did I said he was?When you said he's subject to rules.>Dude, you are the one defending Roy getting mega Lucario out of nowhere and somehow defeated a champion with it. they literally showed where Roy got Lucario. You don't watch the show.
>>58764581>>58764590I wouldn't waste my time on some ESL sperg who'd rather run in circles than zipping it.
>>58764595>>58764596
>100+ repliesAsh is still king I see.
>>58764630>One diehard lolcow making an arse of himself in the name of fanboying while others mock his stupidityThe king of retards.
>>58764590Sex with Dot.
>>58764596Cope ashtranny hes gone. Washed up. Tossed out. Deleted. Used. Pre played. Wasted. Exited. Sent.
>>58764581>So you're conceding that Dragonball was actually popular before Z?It was mediocre and not massively popular globally before Z. Just like Doctor Slump was popular but hardly anybody remembers it.>no it wasn'tYes it was >then why are you still obsessedI should ask the same question to you.>>58764590>Pokemon horizons is better than the ashime ever wasKeep coping >>58764595>When you said he's subject to rulesRules that writers made for the characters.>they literally showed where Roy got LucarioWhich made it even worse.They are no actual bonding, Roy quite literally had a fully evolved fully trained experienced Lucario handed to him with a mega stone.
>>58765425>Pokemon horizons is better than the ashime ever was>keep copingWhy would I have to cope? Ashime sucks and ash is a loser
They're making a new main character for the gen 10 anime btw
>>58765425>writers>Which made it even worseSo its bad if he gets it out of nowhere and its bad if there's an explanation.Gee, almost as if the actual content of Horizons didn't matter at all.
>>58764544>we must remove Meowth so filthy casuals don't confuse it with Team Rocket's Meowth>no, we can't give Pikachu a break for the same reason, we have to shill it or our profits will plummet
>>58761269And by fans, you mean the loud minority of manchildren who IRL soiface over KANTOOOO.
>>58764154>Ash is a non-characterhttps://x.com/TsarSylveon/status/2002786097848565989
>>58765616Ok now let's see him develop into a competent trainer...
>>58760935Who gives a shit about this loser
>>58766580the millions of people who watch the anime
>>58765616What's with the fart noise between every clip?
>>58762084>m-m-m-muh fanservice eventmon giveaway means Ash is canonI knew you Ashfags were stupid but holy shit
>>58765637He already did
>>58761600No, Fagmon, the anime has run this long because of the popularity of Pokemon. TrAsh was always riding on the IP's coattails, not the other way around. It's like how all the dogshit games GF has been churning out for the past 12 years sell like hotcakes because the box says Pokemon on it.
>>58762173The TrAsh Special Olympics don't count either because they made Alain job to Leon and kept TrAsh's daddy Tobias out of it entirely so they could justify him winning.TrAsh never had a legitimate win, just two gifted Mickey Mouse """wins""" to shut his manchild fanbase up.
>>58767598Pokémon ain't the only popular video game IP and but it is the only one forced to run an anime series for 27 years. That would only happened if Ash and Pikachu were marketable for them.
>>58767533Sure he did. Didn't this dude never use a ground type
>>58767598That fagmon guy sounds like a Chad who knows what the fandom wants.
>>58768128The Fandom is retarded
>>58768132You are a faggot
>>58760935Ass Ketchup was shit though
>>58767604>Alola doesn't count, it's literal who!>World Coronation Series doesn't count, it's special olympics pity win!So you'll never be happy, got it. All the more reason to keep Ash gone, nothing he do will ever be good enough for his "fans".
>>58768218Id rather be gay than retarded
>>58768690you gotta be retarded to be gay though
