Explain to me how they are any worse than the original Diamond and Pearl.
>>58762738Why?
>>58762738They're better than the originals, but they're missing a lot of the stuff from platinum. Plat is just an objectively better game than diamond and pearl so fans were upset they did that. Especially since the decision was made seemingly to sell the bundle packs at inflated prices. People found out pretty early both the remade games are literally the same game, just with a certain flag checked for which version it plays.
>>58762738>your Pokemon survived at 1 HP so you wouldn't cry
>>58762738They're ugly and plagued with that friendship mechanic designed for literal gay retards. Also, when examining these games' value, you must factor in the context in which they were released. DP are the games that introduced the Sinnoh region and the physical/special split. BDSP is literally a poor copy-paste of an outdated pair of games even in their own Generation; no matter how you spin it they are objectively bad, offensively lazy attempts at stealing your money and FagFreak and co. are the only video game company that could get away with this much disregard for its customers as cattle.
>>58762738>Forced partywide EXP>affection and friendship combined >EXP from catching>enemy levels are not adjusted to account for the extra power given to the player>following pokemon are scaled terribly and can't keep up with the player >worse Secret Bases>higher price>360 degree movement is awkward in a tightly gridded environment>many bugs on launch, I had several crashesI know this is a bait thread, but you asked.
>>58762738>faithful remakes>no Platinum content>absolutely no effort to be the definitive Sinnoh experience. HGSS and ORAS actually tried at that>2 version retardation on faithful remakesno idea how they were worse than Diamond and Pearl because I didn't want to waste money on that shit.And I never once regretted it because I don't want to be partially responsible for the embarrassingly high sales of this garbage
>>58762738>Garbage graphics>The new underground isnt well implemented so you can catch lv 40 mons there while the tall grass ones are like 25 >FOMO platinum outfit>So faithful it still has tweaking glitch>Needed a day 1 patch because it didn't even have the music rightAnd most import of all>Forced affection mechanics, to play the game normally you have to give herbal medicines to your pokemons, and lore wise you're hurting them>>58762814Funny how FF7R is still inferior to the OG, but yeah at least graphically that's a good remake
They are better then DP, they aren't better then Platinum. Persona 3 Reload had 3 prior games to pull from and combined most of it all together.
>>58762738>Spinda
>>58762738They're not. It's literally the ORAS situation all over again: It's not what people expected.
>>58762738Explain to me how they are any worse than the original Ruby and Sapphire.
>>58763171Nerfed Sky Pillar
>>58762877>>Forced affection mechanics, to play the game normally you have to give herbal medicines to your pokemons, and lore wise you're hurting themwhat's this?
>>58763213Basically, friendship and affection used to be separate mechanics. If you never used Pokémon Amie, your Pokémon couldn’t dodge moves, heal from status, or survive at 1 HP, but playing normally would raise friendship, for example to evolve Riolu. In BDSP there’s no Pokémon Amie equivalent, so they combined the two, and to avoid getting these random battle advantages, you have to treat your Pokémon badly (like letting them faint or giving them herbal medicines like heal powder), to manually lower friendship while playing normally
>>58762738>development done by a third party indie company with no past experience, coupled pressure from the deadlines given by Gamefreak, resulting in an unfinished game that even had the music in midi at worst quality than even the originals weeks before release (datamined) aswell as having some facilities "under construction" even on release, such as the Wonder Trading Station. needs a Day 1 patch just to access the postgame and proper OST https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92GvuRQ5S5Y>awful graphics inferior to a Wii game>used the original game's source code, including the core overworld gameplay and its bugs/glitches>new UI glitches led to cloning pokémon aswell as in some cases softlocking the game>Affection mechanic (pic related), made the game easier than even Let's Go! versions by merging it with the happiness mechanic, even with the rematch levels up to lvl88 the Affection stomps the difficulty down to trivial>despite the Affection being implemented in the remake, you can't get Sylveon with it as it isn't in the BDSP national dex (which was its original purpose when it got firstly implemented on XY)>no Battle Frontier, plus the Battler Tower's Multi Battle option has been removed>Stark Mountain doesn't have the lava aesthetic from Platinum>Underground got expanded with Underground wild areas but secret bases got reduced into placing statues just to increase spawn rates of certain types>the level scaling in the Underground wild areas is so atrocious that you could either powerlevel in the underground until your next gym leader aswell as catch fully evolved pokémon (i.e.: Gastrodon) before beating Gardenia>Pokémon Contests got reduced to just doing the 2nd phase of the original (known as just the dancing contest from Gen5)>GTS got replaced by a Wonder Trading Station (WTS), forcing you to use HOME instead>full priced game with no "benefits" the previous remakes had (no new character designs, pokemon past gen 4, no new content, no new map, etc)
>>58762738Diamond and Pearl are compatible with the rest of Gen 4 and can import from Gen 3 and link to Ranch and Battle Revolution. Broken Diamond and Smashed Pearl have no compatibility outside themselves and Pokemon Prison.
>>58762738They're not, only retards who didn't play either games think so.
>>58762738>unavoidable experience share in a game with levels that weren't meant for that>unavoidable bullshit affection bonuses so you already-overpowered Pokémon now just dodge moves and endure damage and land extra crits and remove their own status conditions, so it completely undercuts your own effortsI still love the rest of the gamebut this shit makes it condescending
>>58762738Diamond and Pearl being worse than Platinum is forgivable.These two being worse than Platinum isn't.a foolish project. Maybe it made money, but it was a boneheaded project that lacked vision or reason. Even if I didn't expect a grandiose fully 3D remake, I would've actually bought it if it offered the best quality Sinnoh experience, but Platinum remains the peak. (I like how Platinum adds snow and othewr more detailed environments. I like Platinum's pool of pkmn for team build variety. Platinum is a little tougher and I like that.)
Why it says on howlongtobeat that Brilliant Diamond is 26 hours campaign but original Diamond is 41 hours? People said it's 1 to 1 recreation so shouldn't they be the same length?Also do people still play Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl online? I bought Switch 2 as my first Nintendo console and I'm thinking of picking up my first Pokemon game.
>>58762738They came out 20 years later and made no fucking improvements at all
>>58763263>development done by a third party indie company with no past experienceWhy do you lie? ILCA are actually pretty good when not given an obviously shitty brief/contract they have to strictly adhere by. I'm still convinced GF purposely set them up just so their game would look better by comparison.
>>58762832>absolutely no effort to be the definitive Sinnoh experience. HGSS and ORAS actually tried at thatThat’s exactly it. Around the time BDSP was being developed game freak saw the mountain of recent stream of hate HGSS got not fixing johto’s alleged glaring flaws and decided to no one appreciates or notices when they put effort into remarks so Masuda’s figured it’s be better not to waste effort in fixing DP
>>58763870what did they work on before bdsp, idolmaster shovelware and pokemon home? we already know from the teraleak no sinnoh remake was planned anyway. these were a last minute decision rushed out with a shoestring budget in case people didn't like their arceus tech demo slop.
HGSS > BDSP > LGPE > ORAS > FRLG
>>58763966>LGPE above anything, especially above ORASwrong
>>58762738>looks WAY worse, absolute dogshit style>music sounds worse too>buggy as fuck>didn't use any of Platinums improvements>retarded forced friendship mechanics that make the game piss easy>forced EXP share too>level curve wasn't even adjusted to accommodate>actually REMOVED features like ball stickers>Pokétch is awkward as fuck without the second screen>costs 60 fucking bucksI hope this is bait but only an actual retard wouldn't be able to see how they aren't worse in basically every aspect. Who the fuck buys this instead of just emulating Platinum for free??
>>58762738The artstyle is horrendous. I'm not usually a person who cares much about video game graphics but BDSP is horrible to look at.
>>58763171They're not, but they're worse than Emerald. There was no reason not to include any Emerald content in them.
>>58762738Most of the music sounds worse. Here's one of the most notable examples.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGQ8nWxkBK4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqakRl9Avz8
>>58763966>BDSP anything but bottomyou should kill yourself, NOW
>>58763171The constant loading screens and removal of optional campaign content from RS when that's basically all the base game has is a huge red flag. Even the connectivity features enhanced by Gen 6 online don't really make it worth playing over RS, but it does make it better than playing XY so let's call it a sidegrade.
>>58762814Wait, why is the HD buster sword so ugly?
The lazy art style is easily the worst thing about them. Everyone was expecting some kind of 3D Sinnoh brought up to standardsWish I could find it, but there was a compilation of tons of people audibly gasping when they saw chibi Dawn while streaming the initial trailer lol. These games betrayed expectations hard.
>>58764513>I'm not usually a person who cares much about video game graphicswell obviously. You're on a Pokémon forum. Ba dum tss
>>58762738They didn't incorporate stuff from Platinum
Forced affection
>>58762804>>58762814>>58762817>>58762877>>58763249>>58763263>>58763529>>58764195>>58765338There's nothing wrong with the affection system and you're all a bunch of faggots for whining about random chance effects that occasionally happen. It doesn't change the difficulty of the games anymore than confusion and paralysis rolling to make you miss turns by hurting yourself/skipping altogether.
>>58766470Why are you defending something that was removed with the game immediately after?
>>58766512Because I enjoyed it and am glad that it got combined with the existing friendship system
>>58763891>these were a last minute decision rushed out with a shoestring budget in case people didn't like their arceus tech demo slop.No, it's because PLA was delayed and they needed a game for Q421
>>58766470So then why does it matter if people don't want it? If it's so much of a non-issue, surely there's no issue in opting out of it like every other Pokemon game lets you do.
>>58766577Because of annoying assholes like you guys keep griping about it and insist that people need to hate it whenever someone brings up BDSP or any game with the affection system. You act like it's a negative thing to have in the games whenever someone asks why BDSP is hated when GF's done much, much worse to the newer games lately. If you had it your way you're force us to no longer have it anymore. I hope they keep it on permanently like with the Exp. All for even more games.
>>58766593I voted for trump because of bdsp and the ttyd remake
>>58766603Yeah I voted for him too but what's that got to do with this?
bdsp are objectively inferior because they gutted contests
>>58766593>The vast majority of people complain about something a lot, to the point it's largely a negative for most people>Therefore, everyone saying it is trying to make people hate itYou sound completely unhinged because that opinion is so detached from reality it's unreasonable. People not liking RNG and overleveling removing strategy from an already easy game is normal, as seen in BDSP's Battle Tower where that shit doesn't exist and it's the best part of the game and arguably the best battle facility since B2W2. Removing player options is rarely a good idea, as seen by tons of modern games giving a lot of them for a lot of players. Like, there's been concerted effort over the past decade and Pokemon has barely implemented a proper cutscene skip in the meantime when that was basically standard said decade ago. But if you're hoping the game is worse for the vast majority of players, I hope there's a change that you extremely dislike in the next game as well, just so it's fair.
Wow so much text wow
>>58764535>The constant loading screensmeme complaintthe only loading screens that could possibly be an inconvenience are the ones in and out of mauville. but you can hatch eggs at the battle resort.
>>58766615If my responses to the anti-affection bullshit is "unhinged" then the anti-affection side is even more unhinged because of how over the top you all get whenever it's used to the point it's all you scream about on why it makes the game bad. If someone asks why BDSP is bad then you just post the gif of the affection system rolling for the effect thinking that it should make people reconsider playing the games. I enjoy this system and have enjoyed intentionally overleveling close to the obedience limit since gen 1, but the games have never felt easy at all from doing that. They've always been neutral and the only time they've been easy was in BW2 when you can change the difficulty at the start. The Battle Tower's always been a boring facility in the games in general and it was nice to not have them in ORAS. Even if the affection system was enabled for that it still wouldn't get my interest for long. Also they've already made a change I extremely hated, the dexit shit, but the dumbass majority thinks that it was the best idea since the start of the IP so no, I don't believe the vast majority of the players like yourself know what's good for the games
>>58766646>no unot even gonna bother reading the entire post
>>58766654Most people would just take that as a sign to start hurling insults at you if you straight up admit to not wanting to read, just saying
>>58766664well go on then
>>58766665Lmao, you're such a fucking retarded nog for not even getting that I was giving you a change to reflect upon your "I'm not gonna bother reading that" bs. Someone with an IQ that's at minimum in the positive range would see that and think "oh shit maybe I shouldn't have said that otherwise others will think I'm an illiterate fentfag". Or do I need to dumb all this shit down to a bunch of clicking sounds so that you can understand it in your bushman language?
>>58766646>If my responses to the anti-affection bullshit is "unhinged" then the anti-affection side is even more unhinged because of how over the top you all get whenever it's used to the point it's all you scream about on why it makes the game badnot really, in your butthurt mass-reply >>58766470, literally only a single post lists the forced affection as their only problem with the game. everyone else is bringing up the awful analog movement, dogshit play-doh graphics, forced and overpowered experience share, removed features, dumbed down contests, lacking basic things every other remake did, etc. im sorry you're an autistic toddler who likes such a dogshit mechanic being forced on you, but grow up faggot
>>58766700>literally only a single post*2 posts, my bad
Nobody answered me >>58763728 and I just ordered my first Pokemon game Brilliant Diamond. No, I'm not trolling I think it's a best purchase I could make.First of all I wanted a Pokemon game on Switch. And I wanted classic Pokemon battles which leaves Legends out of the picture.We left with Scarlet&Violet, Sword&Shield or BD&SP. I really hate how Scarlet&Violet looks, and although it's the most recent one and with the most active online it is by far the ugliest one.Between SW&SH and BD&SP it was a close call but I've decided because Platinum usually considered the best Pokemon game of all time (alongside Emerald) and yeah, Diamond is not the same game but it should have the same story so the story here should probably be more interesting then in Sword and shield. Also I don't wanna pay extra for DLC and I can build a full team with just the base game in Brilliant Diamond. So I bought it.So yeah the worst Pokemon game of all time is Actually the best Pokemon game on Switch.
>>58766861It's probably just because BDSP is faster and has more grinding QoL than DP does. BDSP does have more modes in its battle tower though, it should have more content than base DP.>Also do people still play Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl online?Can't help you there mate, I'm sure there's a decent amount of people that like BDSP's meta more than SV's.
>>58766470>It doesn't change the difficulty of the games anymore than confusion and paralysis rolling to make you miss turns by hurting yourself/skipping altogether.You're either being disingenuous or you didnt actually play the game. Just by playing the game normally, your affection goes up. But sure having a 25% chance to survive a ko, getting 1.2x exp, having a 20% chance to shake off status conditions, getting 10% evasion and having double crit chance is comparable to confusion or para rolling. The former effects are also always active while the later requires you first to get confused or paralyzed btw.
>>58764547The second I saw the art style any desire for me to play the remake vanished Still haven't played it to this day
>>58762738
They are better because they let me shiny hunt Arceus
>>58762738Because they released in 2021. DP sucked, but at least they were brand new games with 100+ new Pokemon and only had 2006/2007 standards to compete with. BDSP don't have the same excuse.
>>58762738There are tons of issues with this game, like the forced EXP share and friendship buffs being shoehorned into the games without proper rebalancing, but the real issue has always been that they are ugly as sin. No other problem kills the experience quite as much as that.
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>>58768354>>58768347following pokemon is so shitty in this game. it’s like every addition besides basic qol shit was half assed to hell
