>>58774644
Pic unrelated

>>58774644
Why do people here have such a hate boner for Smogon? If you don’t like it just play Battle Spot and VGC

>>58774644
I'm not a smogon player but I can see it?
Switching is literally the most powerful move in 6v6 single format and hazards are one of the few tools that put some limitation on it. Any item and ability nullifying hazards is extremely powerful. Hell, a fucking 50bp normal-type move was considered meta staple since gen 2 just because it removes spikes.

>>58774645
>>58774653
You lost.

>>58774653
Just the normie bandwagon. Most of them don’t play competitive in any format anyway lol

>>58774661
Nope I won thanks to my HDB. Cope and seethe.

>>58774653
>you can't criticize corrupt third world countries if you don't live in them

>>58774660
>I'm not a smogon player
Clearly.

>>58774653
It’s only little timmies that hate how Smogon banned their RNG strategies or “put” their favorite shitmon in PU. None of them have played pvp beyond playing against their friends.
People who actually play VGC still respect Smogon and both sides often play both formats.

>>58774685
i play vgc and smogon is shit and retarded

>>58774695
>i play vgc

I am so sorry for you

Love how GF just added this item instead of deleting Stealth Rock like they did to Pursuit Hidden Power and return. Now instead of entire Pokemon being invalidated or crippled by they're pigeonholed into running this one item on 100% of their sets

>>58774653
because of retards like >>58774842 who insist game freak needs to design the game around their dogshit fanfic

SwoShi OU is kino albeit

>>58774854
that was a criticism about gf "balancing" using incongruous logic, nothing to do with smogon...

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>>58774653
Smogon has gotten way too ban crazy in the past decade and people have noticed. They quickban everything before players can even attempt to start creating counters. The flaws of 1v1 are showing when Smogon feels the need to ban a new mon every week to keep the meta "healthy".

Meanwhlie VGC continues to get more popular which makes Smogon look worse in comparison. Why play a fanfic meta with it's rules dictated by a cabal of autists when the official format is doing so well? VGC also has Champions on the horizon that is going to make it explode in popularity.

>>58774854
If they never balance around dogshit fanfic metas then they would've never added boots to begin with since hazards are nonexistent in VGC

>>58774877
VGC is getting more popular because the last couple gens have made it abundantly clear that GF does not balance around singles whatsoever.

>>58774695
Post ball rank

>>58774877
>Why play a fanfic meta with its rules dictated by a cabal of autists when the official format is doing so well?
The real fun with Smogon are their non “mainstream” tiers. Basing most of your experience on Showdown to just OU, Ubers, and so on is a fool’s errand. Their OMs are peak competitive. Even then most of their bans are made by people who are knowledgeable versus low ELO shitters who just look at usage charts. You know if someone is complaining about a ban being made to preserve stall that they’re a salty retard.

>>58774685
>timmies
your opinion does not matter

>>58774916
Define “balance”
Because they clearly add things for Singles (literally in the OP), and VGC itself isn’t balanced what so ever.

>>58774929
Yup. Little timmies opinions don’t matter, no matter how much he decries Smogon for banning Evasion.

>>58774916
smogshit singles != singles

>Giving a shit about "competitive" Pokemon

>>58774916
Doubles isn't balanced either, whenever they allow Urshifu or Calyrex the entire metagame kneels to them and anything that can't survive default Surging Strikes or Astral Barrage sees almost nonexistent levels of usage.

>>58774685
>People who actually play VGC still respect Smogon and both sides often play both formats.
Big cope, I bet you can't name one notable VGC player that is also invested in Smogon singles. Once you learn how much more complex doubles is, get the taste of competing in real tournaments, and don't have to worry about the rules changing every month at the whim of some circlejerk, going back to Smogon feels like a joke.

>>58775091
Who won worlds?

>>58775093
>don't have to worry about the rules changing every month at the whim of some circlejerk
Weird I’ve being on Smogon since Gen 5 and never had this worry. Sounds like someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

>>58775093
Pretty much all VGC players are fine with Smogon and regularly play both,
The only person who doesn't do this is Verlisify who is notoriously trash at Pokemon.

>>58775216
>Pretty much all VGC players [FANFIC]

>>58774877
Checked,

But not your logic. I not like, others like, ergo. Say what?

>>58775093
Nails (Nick Navarre)

Michael's DerBeste

Y'all haters, and definitely not competitors

>>58775196
What's ironic is that VGC completely changes the rules for each format every season.
That's the main appeal of VGC being the seasonal changes.
Those seasonal formats changing multiple things too, not just banning a few Pokemon after different tests.

>>58774917
>cts cart ladder
lol lmao

low power VGC formats are peak competitive pokemon, both to play and to watch, but I still have a lot of sympathy for smogon enjoyers because it is obvious that singles gets far less design consideration and this has a compounding effect with each successive generation where the game is designed with VGC in mind

>>58775216
>Pretty much all VGC players are fine with Smogon and regularly play both,
they use showdown as a platform because it has ladders emulating vgc formats which are useful for practice. youre conflating smogon singles with showdown to imply that most vgc players also play your ou fanfic bullshit, which is true only for a small minority, at least at a serious level

>>58775240
Most of the complaints towards Smogon aren’t exclusive to it, overly exaggerated, or are just factually wrong.

>>58775286
high power can honestly be pretty kino too. at this point there are enough busted legendaries that the highest tier of power doesnt feel toooo centralised and since everything in that tier shits on the hyper-centralised sub-legend tier (shifu) regs G and I (and J i guess) felt a lot more open. the key is jsut that a format is as centralised as its highest power level. the problem echelon of power is the aforementioned sub legends, which is why reg F is fucking ass cancer

>>58774644
Stop being a salty faggot and use Knock Off

>>58774877
>Meanwhlie VGC continues to get more popular
I am a vgc fan and trust me, the numbers are seriously down

>>58775287
No, most VGC players play both, not just Showdown

>>58775371
>No, [FANFIC]

>>58775336
the last few formats of sv have run long and been kinda shitty but itll explode again with champions

>>58775399
hes a smoggy, fanfic comes naturally to him

>>58774877
the reason we have so many bans nowadays is because gf has given up on any semblence of standard balance. They don't have to care what's too strong, they can just nerf it into the ground the next gen to shill their new mon. Smogon, by nature of them taking the games holistically, will have more bans because the mons will be less balanced on average now. Also, they chickened out of touching tera even though that shit is busted as all hell and they're paying the price for it.
Plus, it will take exponentially longer to find what works best and what counters what as you add more mons.

>>58775419
>the reason we have so many bans nowadays is because gf has given up on any semblence of standard balance
no, theyre just balancing around a format youre too much of a sperg to play. the reason you have so many bans is because singles is square peg, round hole

>>58775091
There is unironically more counterplay to dealing with the DLC bear than there is Ogerpon Wellspring in Smogon singles or Supreme Overlord Kingambit dropping a defensive Tera that perfectly counters your check to it

>>58775535
this. dlc bear has like 6 spdef and takes half its healthbar to rocky helmet. you have to respect it in your teambuilding, but hes not unbeatable by any means

>>58775419
Gholdengo and Kingambit are still allowed to exist so clearly they're not banning enough

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>>58775463
>T-they're just balanced around Doubles!

>>58775573
>man who chooses his pokemon format based on what makes him most like his anime character calls other indian
i smell projection

>>58775656
You’ll never be white

>>58775678
Who would want to be, black daddies are stronger and faster.

>>58774653
The autism goes without saying but it's important to remember that a sign of autism is not liking change. Hence, whenever there is a new strategy that shake things up a bit, they ban it. It's just so very eye rolling.
>G4
>Dugtrio can semi consistently kill Heatran and Jirachi
>Instead of adjusting or baiting, they hard ban it
>Niche pick Machamp has a 40% chance of killing Heatran and is otherwise a dead slot
>They ban it immediately
>God forbid the their 16 year old meta changes slightly

>G5
>Very clogged meta game with lots of recognized issues
>People aren't entering it because of states issues
>But they won't change anything and say it's fine
>God forbid they change their 13 year old meta game

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>>58774644
Gary, these boots have changed my life. I'm never taking them off.

>>58775703
to add to this, they literally banned dynamaxing and attempted multiple times to ban tera. the council that make these decisions do so on the basis of "does this mon/item/move/ability/mechanic prevent me from playing pokemon with the same strategy ive used for the past 20 years?" if yes, banned

>>58775747
Dynamax was literally just letting Gyarados or Excadrill sweeping the other team in 5 turns. It was incredibly cancerous and deserved to be banned. Dugtrio was banned because it strengthened Stall teams, the archetype everyone accuses Smogon of favoring, way too much. You don't know what you're talking about

>>58775568
Why is Gholdengo "broken" outside of being a good ghost attacker and acting as counterplay to Defog?

>>58775797
He makes hazard stacking way too easy which makes boots even more of a necessity

>>58775747
they bannex dynamax because it was stupidly centralizing, and everyone WANTED tera banned but they refused "to preserve the integrity of the generation's identity".

>>58775872
surely if EVERYONE wanted it, the vote would have passed, anon? is there perhaps a subset of people you really mean when you say "everyone"?

>>58775917
It barely survived a suspect test since it was the beginning of the generation and people had optimism that it'd add depth to the game and people didn't want a Dynamax repeat. Its almost universally agreed upon these days that keeping it around was a mistake

>>58774653
Not official = shit fanfic
People will defend gamefreaks shitty mega designs like dragonite, gatr and call superior fan made ones bad because it's "not official"

>>58775927
>It barely [FANFIC]
save it for wattpad, anon

>>58774685
I don't get the hate for tiers. Just it looks degrading having your mon sent to "low tier". but having your mon go to PU where it can shine as a viable used mon is good no? Otherwise it's just going to get destroyed by all the legendaries/pseudos running around. Isn't that just a lot more depressing? Seeing your fav just accomplish nothing

>>58774653
don't hate smogon, but some of their decisions have being fucking atrocious, lando being the """"""glue""""" of some metas for example
overcentralizing is not only a mon that forces you to put the same counter in every team, overcentralizing is also forcing you to pick a mon cause every other mon that shares its same niche is an extremely subpar choice (like incelroar in veggie sea)

>>58775988
>don't hate smogon, but some of their decisions have being fucking atrocious, lando being the """"""glue""""" of some metas for example
Opinion discarded.

>>58774644
Hey Verlisify

>>58775927
>Its almost universally agreed upon these days that keeping it around was a mistake
It was "universally agreed upon" to be bad the last time they had a vote and it still passed and I guarantee the same would happen if they had a vote again now.
Smogon has plenty of echo chambers within its own community.

>>58775872
>a game mechanic is centralizing
holy shit bros when are they going to ban switching?

>>58775988
incin's role in vgc is the absolute epitome of the bell curve meme. i wouldnt be averse to other mons that could do his job as well as he does for the sake of variety, but a format with incin is healthier than one without him

>>58775988
You pick Lando T because its the best possible thing to deal with everything else, not because its overcentralizing.

>>58775216
can you post like 5 names

>>58775797
gholdengo is immune to rapid spin and prevents defog from resolving so he's a hazard defender

>>58775927
>majority votes only matter when they revolve around what I want and nobody else!!!!
LMAO the absolute state of smoggies

>>58775747
Idk enough about gen 8 to comment myself

Anons don't confuse us for the same anon!

>>58776083
that's a common argument but it's oroborosian, a healthy meta shouldn't have anything overcentralizing.

>>58776078
obviously different and you're a gay retard for saying what you did

>>58774653
They lost multiple times in a row and can't cope with being bad at the game

>>58776587
>it’s different because…um…it just is!
and this is why no one takes smogshit seriously

>>58776078
this but unironically

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>>58774653
Because they've wasted all their resources on a format that was deprecated arguably before Gen V and as a result the actual VGC format is left underreported.
Which is something I actually think is a blessing in disguise as it means it hasn't been analyzed to death like a datamined MMO or RTS and people can still bring off-meta surprises to positive result.

>>58774653
All of these responses are wrong. The actual answer is that pokemonfags are a subset of Nintendofags, and tendies are the most retarded group of people in the world. Look at the autism surrounding competitive smash bros, that shit extends to pokemon as well. Fundamentally the people whining about this are stuck in an underage, casual mentality and are simply angry at the existence of people who do things they don’t like.

>>58776690
>Different game mechanics are treated differently
yeah.

>>58777000
>smogshit has no consistent standards
yeah.

>>58776914
This.
Nintendo games are filled with manchildren unable to admit their special friend can do any wrongs. Having a competitive scene that bans hurts their feelings since it implies Nintendo can’t balance for shit, and that you can have fun in ways other than what the devs intended.

>>58777003
>Wtf why is looking at someone and murdering an entire family of 5 treated differently in court? Both are actions though!

>>58777028
>wtf why is a game mechanic and a game mechanic treated differently in court? both are game mechanics though!
correct

>>58777028
True. Switching is actually even more centralizing than Dynamax is, so switching should have been banned first.

>>58775703
half truth, dpp dug got banned because of clefable stall teams popping up and using dug to delete their counters, rachi was also dugtrio's best friend since it eliminates rachi's counters

>>58774916
*GF does not balance whatsoever
ftfy