And a Regi New Year to all and to all a FUCK AUS
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>>58779890you have been humiliated repeatedly
>>58780334Holy kino
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>>58779890How in the world are there still Regignosis deniers? The amount of evidence supporting it is insane.
>>58780543It's a single autist who vehemently and very passionately comes here to start shit just because it's never stated explicitly in-game.
>>58780414You have never humiliated anyone. I know you need reassurance because your fanfiction isn't coherent, but be honest
>>58780543Many people disagree with this theory, and rightly so.Nothing in the games suggests that Regigigas has this role. The theory rests solely on a Japanese classification of Regigigas, which is vague and meaningless.APL adds a Blank Plate, stating that the Normal-type giant is already destroyed, making the theory impossible.Even Teraleak doesn't support the headcanon. For example, Regigigas is referred to by the code name "Tex," yet the note about giants only confirms that they are not Pokémon. They could have stated that Tex was one of them (which he isn't).The giants mentioned are primordial beings; they are not a term used to refer to Regigigas, as it is referred to by the name "Tex."And in Teraleak's version, it's simply a god and master of trios, of an earthly nature like Ho-Oh and Lugia.
>>58780573It's always the same autistic guy posting the same images with the same filenames and endlessly repeating the same topics. Because he needs to give visibility and credibility to his headcanon, which isn't accepted
>>58779890lmao it's true
>>58780623I have humiliated you. Multiple times.
>>58781007Don't reverse the roles
>>58781072you have done that yourself
>>58781076When your argument boils down to claiming that Blank Plate doesn't count because there's no counter-argument, and you keep changing the subject just to endlessly repeat that your theory is popular in Japan, I don't see how you're ridiculing anyone. You're mainly demonstrating the limitations of your theory.
>>58781098I never said the blank plate doesn’t count. I pointed out that it only exists in PLA, where it is needed to serve a gameplay purpose, and that in that game it is held by Regigigas, and that I believe this to be significant in a way the other plate placements aren’t because the blank plate was made specifically for PLA.but you just ignored all that.
>>58781110No, it isn't. For the simple reason that most bosses and legendaries hold a plate linked to their type. Heatran isn't a Steel-type giant because he holds the Iron Plate.So that part is completely debunked.Furthermore, the Blank Plate isn't mechanically necessary.They could have programmed it like this: Arceus uses the Flame Plate, becomes Fire-type. Arceus-Fire uses the Zap Plate, becomes Electric-type. Arceus-Electric uses the Zap Plate again, becomes Normal-type again.That's literally how mirrors and orbs work in APL.But they preferred to create a new plate, claim it contains the essence of the Normal-type (and therefore the Normal-type giant), add lore inscribed on it, and so on. This is precisely because the Normal-type giant has already been killed, and it's not Regigigas, since they exist simultaneously.The reason this plate wasn't included in subsequent games is simply because it wouldn't add anything. We already have an item that increases normal moves by x1.2. And Arceus is normal by default.It's not like the orbs in Creation Trio, because there's no item that simultaneously increases Steel/Water/Ghost and Dragon moves. The advantage of the double orb is that you can benefit from the effect of the signature item while choosing between altered form and origin form.Given that this theory is fanfiction inventing things never mentioned in the game, simply because the word used in Regigigas's Pokédex entry sounds similar to a term, it sparks fans' imaginations to create a story. It's irrelevant.Teraleak never associates Tex with the primordial giants, and the game, even in Japanese, doesn't.Blank Plate is definitely canon and destroys the theory. But that's not the only thing that's inconsistent with the theory.
whazzup my reginiggas
>>58781182this.if regigigas was truly the normal type giant before the creation of the universe, they wouldn't have created the plate in legends, because you've proven they could have reverted arceus to its original type without it. and if Teraleak mentions in his myths AND his diagram: aus, ea, ia, ry, ay, hy, gordon, saan, dahabu, but doesn't mention tex to associate him with giants, that proves he isn't one. giants are not pokemon btw
>>58781259Teraleak be like:>Clears that the giants are not Pokémon>Never specifies that Aus, Ea, Ia, Ry, Hy, Ay, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Tex, etc. are not Pokémon because they are Pokémon.>Makes no connection between Tex and the giants.This says a lot about Game Freak's vision; Regigigas was never designed to be one of the defeated giants.
>>58781287his role and place is clearly defined here
>>58780334Is this a fucking reference to God Dammit?That's a pretty obscure pull if so
>>58781303I think it looks something like this
>>58781182>No, it isn't. For the simple reason that most bosses and legendaries hold a plate linked to their type. Heatran isn't a Steel-type giant because he holds the Iron Plate.i addressed that in the very post you responded to>But they preferred to create a new plate, claim it contains the essence of the Normal-type (and therefore the Normal-type giant), add lore inscribed on it, and so on.and you get it from defeating regigigas, after you have symbolically "kill" him>This is precisely because the Normal-type giant has already been killedif the normal type giant has been dead all along, why was there not a plate for him in gen 4? one should exist. did gamefreak simply forget?>>58781287>>Clears that the giants are not Pokémonthen neither is metagross
>>58781349Regigigas, being a Legendary Pokémon with only the Normal type, makes it the most logical choice to give it this plate, which has no real connection to the giants. You can't refute this point when 95% of the plates follow this pattern because there's a deliberate intention to do so.>and you get it from defeating regigigas, after you have symbolically "kill" himHeadcanon that's ludicrous to fit a theory; you're exaggerating a bit too much.First of all, you don't kill a Pokémon; in Pokémon, you knock it out, which is different. Especially since I think you have to capture it, which makes your argument even more irrelevant in this context.Furthermore, it's Arceus who has the power to transform an entity into a Plate; they're linked to it. It's not some random trainer with their Hisui starter who's going to do that.I beat Heatran, I "symbolically killed" it; it transformed into Iron Plate because it's the Steel-type giant. That's what happens when you apply your logic to the other Plate guardians. You're just making an exception, you're exaggerating, all to fuel a rather unbelievable theory.>if the normal type giant has been dead all along, why was there not a plate for him in gen 4? one should exist. did gamefreak simply forget?They haven't forgotten. The plates are meant to change Arceus's type, but Normal is the default.If they decide to create this plate, it's because the theory is invalid. Especially since just because an item or Pokémon isn't present in its generation doesn't mean it never existed. Origin-Dialga and Origin-Palkia were only added with APL; does that mean they never existed because they're not in Gen 4? Yet, we're told that these are their true appearances, the ones they originally had.>then neither is metagrossWhy do you say that ?
>>58781347based + lore accurate
>>58781396>Furthermore, it's Arceus who has the power to transform an entity into a Plate; they're linked to it. It's not some random trainer with their Hisui starter who's going to do that.it's a symbolic parallel. it's not literal.>They haven't forgotten. The plates are meant to change Arceus's type, but Normal is the default.>If they decide to create this plate, it's because the theory is invalid.you're contradicting yourself. you insist the normal plate doesn't exist for purely gameplay reasons. but when they do add a normal plate, for the gameplay purpose of changing arceus to normal type in a game with no held items, that can't be for purely gameplay reasons?if the normal plate was supposed to exist the entire time, why didn't it? if it didn't exist for gameplay reasons, then it was only added for gameplay reasons, which means none of this matters.>Why do you say that ?because i actually read the teraleak lore. it describes pokemon as children of the gods that resembled dialga. but it also lists a bunch of other pokemon before that. the creation trio, the lake trio, the weather trio, the eon duo, and metagross. and the giants. so if the giants aren't pokemon because they are not children of the gods, then neither is metagross.
>>58781536The symbolism is more like a big middle finger from Game Freak about this theory taking into account the context. Just like they trolled with Dudunsparce.As explained above with several arguments, it makes no sense. This is just a desperate attempt to save a theory on life support; it's not working. You're inventing one fanfiction to justify another fanfiction, realize thatI'm not contradicting myself; you're just not nuanced (or at least, you're deliberately being nuanced because it contradicts your theory).In Gen4, yes, it's gameplay. The main argument is about changing types, but Arceus is Normal type by default, so there's no alternative to make it useful.However, in APL, they could have avoided creating this plate altogether by allowing Arceus to revert to its Normal type simply by reusing the last plate used on it. For example: if I'm Arceus-Fire, and I reuse Flame Plate, it cancels its effects and I revert to Normal type. This is how Creation Trio Orbs and the Mirror of Kami work.Except they implemented Blank Plate instead of using this method, which could have avoided creating it altogether. They did it precisely because the theory was never valid. If the theory were true, they would have circumvented the problem and never created Blank Plate.You also seem to forget that chronologically, APL takes place before the events of DP, which further reinforces its existence, despite its absence from the games.From a storytelling perspective, it's an ancient item that existed long before DP and APL, just like Origin Form. Even though it doesn't appear in Gen4.It's not like Mega Zygarde, which originated from events in the present-day setting of its game.
>>58781536Except that the gods themselves are Pokémon. In Teraleak, it's never explicitly stated that not all legendary Pokémon of divine nature are actually Pokémon.It's only for the giants that it's explained they aren't, and this clarification is significant; it's highly meaningful. It's even logical: they aren't meant to be Pokémon; they're eggshells.The other Pokémon are more accurately described as non-divine, beings that result from Darwinian evolution. It's a bit like saying Mew is the ancestor of all Pokémon; in reality, it's those of biological origin. So Arceus, Dialga, Groudon, Regigigas, and Metagross have always been Pokémon and are explicitly Pokémon in our games.But the giants are not Pokémon and never will be, because it has been established that they are not, and nothing contradicts this statement. Trying to argue that the legendaries weren't Pokémon is nothing more than a flimsy strategy to force your headcanon, because you're desperately trying to justify every inconsistency when the theory is simply dead.
>>58781536if you didn't understand what the anon poster above is trying to tell you, it's that the only way to make blank plate relevant in terms of mechanics in dp is for arceus to be of type ???, which is unacceptable. but in apl while they weren't obligated to include blank plate, they did so because it can exist and have its effect without Arceus being of type ???
>>58781644>In Gen4, yes, it's gameplay.and in PLA it's also gameplay, and none of this matters>You also seem to forget that chronologically, APL takes place before the events of DP, which further reinforces its existence, despite its absence from the games.no, this pokes a hole in your argument. why does it not exist in the present if it existed in the past?the origin forms are in SV. the blank plate isn't.>>58781653https://www.pokeos.com/p/teraleak/gen-4show me where it says the giants aren't pokemon>>58781679so it didn't exist before for gameplay reasons, and it exists in PLA for gameplay reasons, and none of this matters
>>58781347corrected that fy
>>58781287Teraleak literally says that Ea and Ia took on the form of pokemon. They weren't pokemon to begin with.
you get back here and face the regignosis
>>58781797At the risk of repeating myself, it's not the same in APL:Use Adamant Crystal on Dialga, and it will become Dialga-Origin. Use the same Adamant Crystal on Dialga-Origin again, and it will become Dialga base form.If Game Freak didn't want to include a Blank Plate, they could have simply done the same thing with all plates.However, they decided to include a Blank Plate containing the essence of the Normal type, which means it's canon that the Normal-type giant existed and was already killed, and they also engraved an ancient text on it that predates the events of APL. That's the nuance, and it's crucial!In DP, this doesn't work. Arceus is already Normal-type; the game mechanics mean that adding this plate can't change its type, which is the purpose of the plates.And that's precisely why it's inaccessible in SV! However, the item is properly coded in the game, so technically it exists.>no, this pokes a hole in your argument. why does it not exist in the present if it existed in the past?No, that doesn't invalidate my argument. You're looking for contradictions where none exist to defend a dead theoryIf you haven't understood, the absence of an item or a Pokémon in one or more games doesn't mean it never existed or that it ceased to exist.The Plate existed 150 years before DP (and it's even older than the events of APL), which means that its unavailability in a current game doesn't erase the fact that in the past, the Normal-type giant was already killed to create this Plate. That's an established fact; this Plate is part of the lore whether you like it or not.It's not like Zygardite, which, in the lore, didn't exist before the battle against Ange Hyperogue.>show me where it says the giants aren't pokemonAre you kidding me? Now you want me to believe that Teraleak never said the giants aren't Pokémon, by showing me a website that doesn't even contain 10% of Teraleak's leaks? Are you that desperate to resort to increasingly outlandish lies?
>>58781926You haven't corrected anything; it's my version that corrects yours. I specifically took the version you spam in every thread to eliminate all the inconsistencies and update it with recent and canonical elements from the games that you deliberately delete or leave unanswered, or even ignore.You decide to add Xerneas and Yveltal, which aren't mentioned in Teraleak. I can accept the liberty taken and understand the decision, but you ignore Zygarde, which makes no sense. It demonstrates how flawed this is. Regigigas doesn't have that role, and its name isn't "Giant" but "Tex."You're going to ignore that the Spirit Trio are called Hy, Ay, and Ry.You're implying that "Aus" is something different from Arceus, when Aus was Arceus's internal codename before its name was established. Saying "Aus" is as stupid as saying "I played Pokemon Titan" to refer to Scarlet and Violet.I'm not going to correct all the mistakes, otherwise my message will be endless. Besides, it's just meant to promote your theory rather than trying to be factual and accurate. Especially since you put so little care into making it, it's not pleasant to look at.
>>58781812>>58780974It makes me laugh so much when you bring up the facts, using my idea of the Blank Plate, haha
>>58781968show me where it says the giants aren't pokemon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seated_Woman_of_ÇatalhöyükUnrelated bug Ground type Regi should be this NGL
>>58782034>Xerneas and Yveltal aren't mentioned in the teraleakYou clearly can't read if you didn't read the Tree of life section of pmyth5.2 "AUSU">Hy, Ay, and Ry.How are they ignored they are right there.>You're implying that "Aus" is something different from Arceus,Ea and Ia are literally stated to take on pokemon forms, they literally describe in detail Dialga and Palkia's physical descriptions. How is it inconsistent to think the same of Arceus who gifts you a portion of it's power, an Arceus, after you beat it in PLA?But you're just gonna ignore that Regigigas is the only pokemon to make pokemon from the material world relative to Lugia that makes Illusions with its psychic power and Ho-oh who can revive pokemon to make new ones.
>>58782106*but
>>58782107>You clearly can't read if you didn't read the Tree of life section of pmyth5.2 "AUSU"He told me this:>Ia and Ea dispatched three of their children to the fragments of the tree:the sky god, Rayquaza, the earth god, Groudon, and the ocean god, Kyogre.When the three gods howled, the shards of the tree transformed into the sky, the earth, and the ocean.I appreciate the idea of including Aura Trio by linking it to the Tree of Life; it's relevant symbolically and thematically. If it were up to me, I'd even add Light Trio before the tree grows, but while I find these ideas of adding other trios to complete the set appealing, at this stage of development, they don't mention Xerneas or Yveltal, no codenames, nothing. It's like inventing a story to integrate the new Legendary Pokémon that aren't mentioned. >How are they ignored they are right there.I know he put Spirit Trio, what I mean is that he doesn't refer to them as "Ry", "Ay" or "Hy" (their code name, whereas he does for others).>Ea and Ia are literally stated to take on pokemon forms, they literally describe in detail Dialga and Palkia's physical descriptions.Except they're never described as not being Pokémon, unlike the giants, and the games state that they are Pokémon; they never suggest anything to the contrary.In Teraleak, Typhlosion has a strange human transformation. Does that mean it wasn't a Pokémon? No.Especially since, depending on the version of the myth, it doesn't really tell the same story.Teraleak tells us that Dialga and Palkia created Spirit Trio, so is that true? Because the games tell me it's Arceus. In case of conflicting information, the final version in the video games prevails.(1/2)
>>58782107> Arceus who gifts you a portion of it's power, an Arceus, after you beat it in PLA?His part of him is the Legend Plate.When he says that, the first thing he does is give you the item.This plate isn't like the others; it has an appearance that references Arceus himself. It doesn't possess the elemental essence of giants types, but rather the essence of all creation (which corresponds to Arceus' power, the creator of all things).>But you're just gonna ignore that Regigigas is the only pokemon to make pokemon from the material world relative to Lugia that makes Illusions with its psychic power and Ho-oh who can revive pokemon to make new ones.I'm aware of that, it's just not important.The key point is that Regigigas is considered an equal to Ho-Oh and Lugia. That is, they are trio masters, whose members act as servants. They are also embodiments of nature in the three realms of land, sea, and sky.This implies that these three Legendary Pokémon are placed on the same level in the pantheon of gods. And they have a minor role in the realms created by Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza, who are also three equal beings with their own rank in the pantheon.By the way, where did you get this idea about Lugia having an illusion? I've never seen that in Teraleak.
>>58782099>no answer
>>58783123How do you expect me to point this out on Pokeos when that website only publishes a tiny fraction of Teraleak?That being said, when giants are mentioned, there's a "※1" next to "giants" to indicate a footnote with further details.They say this: "なお巨人のみポケモンに非ず。" which means that giants are not Pokémon.
>>58783352I have something I can point to and say “this is where I’m getting my information, and this is what it says”. You don’t. As far as I can tell you’re just making shit up.And in my source, there’s no such footnote.
>>58783363I'm not making this up; it's found in the pmyth5.2 "AUS" files and even some earlier versions like 5.1 or 5. Just because you don't like the content doesn't mean you should claim it doesn't exist by deliberately choosing incomplete sources like Pokeos.
>>58783388i have a source. you don’t.
>>58783534You might need to change your source, because you're missing a large part of the data that Pokeos isn't providing. To the point that you can't even find the leaks from Teraleak stating that giants are the only ones that aren't Pokémon.Since I'm feeling generous, I'll help you out a bit. Search this link:https://tcrf.net/Development:Pok%C3%A9mon_Diamond_and_Pearl/Documents
>>58783588took you long enough.unfortunately you’re gay and autistic, so you’re still wrong.
>>58783604You've been getting eaten alive from the start of this whole thread, you have to invent fanfiction to justify other fanfiction, and you have the nerve to say that?If you just wanted content, you should have asked for it instead of acting like a bitter jerk.
>>58783632sounds like you’re coping
>>58779890holy based
>>58782296>where did you get this idea about Lugia having an illusion? Its the fucking name of the Birds you Westie. The Illusion Wings
>>58784023Yes, okay, that's what I thought. There's no lore behind it; it's just a name that was used once, even though they've been called something else in the past.I was hoping for something concrete, but no.>>58783969Thanks haha
>>58784364The lore is the connection of the movies, the sinjoh Sigil, and the designation that they are Illusions in their original names in line with a psychic creator.
>denialfag is retarded and denialfags
>>58785044to deny regigigas is to accept Aus.
>>58784747In other words, you have absolutely nothing more than a name, given that they've been called by several different names since their inception. Neither the film nor Sinjoh Sinil ever states that these are illusions created by Lugia.I agree that Lugia is the master of the Birds Trio and that they have a connection. However, this story about illusions created by Lugia is just overinterpreting a name, so there's nothing concrete. We have no story on this subject, no proof, and Lugia's powers are linked to storms and wind, his descriptions relating to the seas. He hasn't demonstrated any power to create illusions, and if you were going to tell me "he's a psychic type," I'd say that's not enough.
>>58785130You call Arceus by its code name "Aus" but you don't call Regigigas by its code name "Tex", the selectivity of headcanons again and again.
>>58786273this is to make people believe that giants is regigigas' code name or same thing, even though it's false.giants don't have code name because they aren't pokemon and they also know that regigigas is a pokemon which has the code name tex who never associated with the giants who were killed by aus in teraleak
>>58782273If they are stated to "Then taken on pokemon forms" This implies that they were not pokemon to begin with. This is perfect alignment with Kotoamatsukami and their avatars in Shintoism. You can't "Take on the form of x" if you weren't that form to begin with. And this applies equally to Aus and Arceus. The Gods have pokemon avatars.
>>58787320>Arceus and Aus are not two different things; it's just its codename. Just as Ikkaku is the codename for Z-A and not a separate entity.>The part about avatars is never supported in the games (the final and canon version).>Myth 5.2 (AUS): "なお巨人のみポケモンに非ず。" = only giants are not Pokémon.>And a character transforms into Typhlosion (a pokemon); it wasn't a Pokémon! (no).>Several versions of the myth exist, each telling contradictory stories. So much so that Dialga and Palkia's powers have been revisited several times and sometimes have nothing to do with the final versions.
>>58786831Blessed be the Blank Plate, a very important item in the lore
Aus? Regignosis?what?
>>58787371Aus is the internal code name at Game Freak for Arceus during the development of Diamond and Pearl, before its name was created, or simply to keep a name "secret" before it was licensed. The same system applies to the games:Gaia = Waves/WindsTitan = Scarlet/VioletRegarding "Regignosis," it's just a fanfiction about Regigigas.
>>58783123HUGE
>>58787364yes true
>>58779890An inconvenient truth to all Redditgigas fags.
