this game rewards blind luck and nothing else, I am beyond convinced at this point. After getting completely tooled by scheduling with my opponent changing times on me last minute and refusing to provide confirmation prior to the day of the match as to play times, losing this way felt even worse than I had thought possible. My preparation was superior, my play was superior, and I lost, so I don't see a reason to continue engaging in an activity where what is within my control is overwhelmingly outweighed by what is not. I am done with Pokemon, and you won't get a fond farewell. This community is infected to its roots with a degenerative disease that grows stronger over time but stops short of killing its host. Tournaments used to have a competitive spirit at their heart, this has been transplanted and replaced with an artificial organ that feeds on vitriol and mockery from insecure little boys that heckle by the sidelines and tear each other to shreds over scraps of attention. The environment we fostered has trapped us all like this in a vicious cycle, and escaping it requires acceptance of the harshest reality we all scramble to explain away, that none of the countless straining efforts we put ourselves through here will ever amount to one single shining glimmer of significance. One last thing before I leave you all to react with disdain, ridicule, and self-righteous fervor, before you do everything in your power to minimize my words and thoughts, box them up and shove them to some cobwebbed corner of your memory, and hope they disappear forever as a stain on your finite time ground to dust. From this moment on, nothing you say matters to me. The foulest insults you hurl with intent to wound will calmly settle at the earth before my feet, and the venom you spit will bring all the pain of a warm summer breeze. You are less than anything you can conceive, while I carry on, brimming with joy distilled from detachment.
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>>58779991Ain’t nobody reading all of that LOL
Will nintendo kill showdown once champions releases? I hope so
>>58780001https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/50131/~/how-to-report-potential-infringements-of-nintendo-products
im pretty sure OP is just pasta but i want to talk about a clip i saw of that fucking jimothy retard who shills gen 3 singles as the best competitive format ever talking about a time where he tried gen 4 and how its bullshit because some flinching move is super common and so you have a 20% chance to just not move on a given turn when facing down the pokemon in question (i think it was gyarados)its fascinating to watch someone be so close to the actual solution (singles is an inherently retarded format) only to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and go "well this just means i should stick to gen THREE singles, which is clearly much better!"
The fucked up thing is that Lavos is probably the most vindicated man in smogon, he's a fag for real but it definitel feels like after his incident, both Smogon and Showdown went down to shit at an alarming speed.
>>58779991are there any alternatives to play old gens? I quit playing after they banned gen 4 machamp. tried playing again today until I found out they banned gen 3 ninjask.
>>58779991God damn OP. Please break up your massive wall of text into more manageable paragraphs next time. The enter key is your friend.
>>58779991They really need to ban thunder wave.Paralysis is the cheapest shit.> click t wave> gain 10 turns in the long run
>>58780059>gen 4 and how its bullshit because some flinching move is super common and so you have a 20% chance to just not moveprobably paraflinch jirachi, serene grace iron head + paralysis is nuclear aids
>>58780566im fairly certain it was gyarados, with waterfall i think. ill have a look for the clip
>>58780059Didn't Jimothy Cuck's bitching about No Guard Machamp + Dynamic Punch eventually lead to Machamp getting banned too? I know Gen 4 OU is universally reviled because>dude Jirachi paraflinch lmaoWhy Machamp got axed when shit like that is fine is beyond me.
I just can't fucking stand the time it takes for people to click moves.I genuinely can't play it. Feels like I am playing Hearthstone and getting roped every turn. They need to cut it down to 15-20 seconds. I don't want people to calculate between moves, do that after the game.
>>58780576here's the thing that really sucks, most of these recent bans were suspect tested in the past and deemed ok. instead of accepting the results the smogon Illuminati keeps rerunning the same suspect tests until they get the results they want. once they eventually get the thing banned they never reconsider the decision. all these discussions happen in private discord servers controlled by the usual suspects.
>>58780566>>58780571https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9ruBWuYHn_Qfound it, it does seem to have been gyarados. i dont know much about singles so i dont know how relevant it is to the specific meta, but i do know the problem of "my entire turn is gone if i get flinched" is solved by having another mon on the field
>>58780612this shit pisses me off so much. especially when its a super obvious move or they dont even have a choice to make, like bringing in their last mon after a KO. i play the vgc ladders as well so its only a 45 second timer and it still feels like an age. i dont tilt over losing but a match where it feels like my opponent is deliberately trying to waste as much of my time as possible pisses me the fuck off
>>58780059You have it backwards. It’s 20% to use a move vs a paraflinch jirachi, not 20% not to use a move
>>58780562>not having a single ground typei shiggy diggy
>>58779991Singles is just switch guessing, its one of the most horrible turn based systems ever
>>58780059>its fascinating to watch someone be so close to the actual solution (singles is an inherently retarded format)Nothing changes for Doubles. In fact it's worse in Doubles because Rock Slide can flinch and hits 2 targets, and can miss, introducing a bunch of RNG.Why is that all VirGinCucks hate Smogon for things that are present and sometimes much worse in VGC?
>>58780562>Evasion is a mechanic where your opponent gets a lower chance to use a move that targets you>This gets banned (which is good. Evasion shouldn't be near a competitive setting)>Paralysis is a mechanic that causes your opponent to have half speed and has a chance to lose a turn entirely, not just with moves that target a Pokemon>Somehow has 0 actionSmogon should just change certain mechanics at this point. Only little timmies and high functioning autists would be upset while everyone else celebrates.
>>58781642>singles>waterfall>20% chance to flinch your one mon and therefore rob you of your turn>doubles>rockslide>95% chance to connect on each mon, for a 90% chance to hit both>30% chance to flinch each mon, multiplied with the hit chance for an 8% chance to connect and flinch both mons and rob you of your entire turn>20% chance to lose your whole turn in singles vs 8% chance in doubles>it's worse in doublesI get that singles players are retarded but fucking hell man
showdown jannies are literally faggots and trannies. this isn't even up for debate, they single handedly ruin everything
>>58781759compounding % chances for each interaction makes it more random. You have the chance to miss, and you have the chance to flinch on either one. You have less predictability and a higher chance of having things be stupid than otherwise.
>>58780562You can play around it with ground, electric, abilities and pokemon who got it or another status. Essentially a free switch in
>>58780059as a 1600s ADV player i have to say that gen 3 is probably even worse than gen 4 in terms of hax bullshit since rock slide is fucking everywhere, i've lost count on how many times i mogged some shitters only to lose in the end because their aero/tar/mence pulled off 2 or 3 consecutive flinches
>>58779991Hi Verlisify
>>58780001>used by VGC players>mentioned in VGC broadcaststhey may embargo themselves for the new formats, but that's it
>>58781872>8% is higher than 20% because... it's bigger than if nothing happened at all!This has to be bait at this point right?
That guy was unironically right. I too quitted back in the days for the sheer amount of RNG crap in the game. Pokémon is just uncompetitive as long as all this RNG exists. Can be fun, sure, but it's not really "competitive".And for the community, he's basically right as well. The fandom is getting shittier and shittier every year it passes. You can even tell from all the brain rotted zoomers on /vp/ spouting nosense.
>>58780576Jimothy Cool didn't play Gen 4 singles until the Machamp suspect test. He wanted to vote "no" on banning Machamp but couldn't get the reqs to do so because you needed to go like 20 and 0 and he'd inevitably get like 14 - 15 games in only to lose because of ParaFlinch
>>58781759Because that 8% chance is more devastating than the 20% chance since the opponent has another Pokemon. Imagine getting flinched by Jirachi. It sucks, but it's Jirachi, it's hitting you with an 80 base power attack off of base 100 attack. Now imagine getting flinched by a Rock Slide when your opponent has an Amoonguss, Xerneas, Ursaluna, Urshifu, Flutter Mane, or etc out. That's significantly more problematic.Even just 1 flinch from Rock Slide can completely flip the entire battle on its head since you could miss your window of opportunity to stop your opponent's Restricted Pokemon from winning the game.
>>58783385countreplay is much more common in doubles too though. its not just that the chance is lower; youre also far more likely to have wide guard, covert cloak, inner focus, whatever on your team because doubles teambuilding allows you room for more than just offensive/stall mons. at any given time if youre worried about rockslide there probably more counterplay available to you than just switching like in singles
Only bad players cry about rng.
>>58783449This. If RNG made you lose, you’re a bad player.
>>58783449>>58783456>slot machine bandits that win or lose all of their games off of pure luck
>>58783566Luck doesn’t exist.
>showdown trannies
>>58783449Honestly one of the most based posts. Either accept the RNG and learn to manage it or don’t play. Poker players don’t throw hissy fits except for the camera and to psych out their opponents.
>>58783617that's just how competitive games are played
>>58783627>PokerPoker's luck based elements are fine. They exist because the game can't function otherwise without RNG. Additionally, if you're given a bad hand, you can always fold so you aren't screwed over by RNG.Pokemon is the opposite.In Pokemon, the vast majority of RNG elements are unnecessary. Only a few things like Speed ties and Whirlwind need to be RNG. Everything else could be removed and the game ends up being largely the same, just without bullshit that no one besides contrarians and little kids like.And the closest thing to a "folding" mechanic Pokemon has is using Heal Bell, which isn't gonna fit on every team.
>>58780059You're saying this like a huge part of doubles isn't spamming Rock Slide/Heat Wave/Blizzard etc. lmaoThe reality is pokemon is inherently non-competitive and pushing PvP beyond something you do for fun to burn some time is "square peg in circle hole" behavior
>>58783566>I lost because of coin flipsYou lose because you can't correctly choose when to go for coin flips and are stupid.
>>58783779>Rock Slide/Heat Wave/Blizzardall moves that are blocked by wide guard
>>58783669No it isnt you fucking retard.
>>58784554considering all options is literally how every competitive game is played. Have you ever compared it to, you know, chess maybe? Where you're supposed to see all possible lines that could come from any given move? Same exact damn thing. Only difference is considering options that are out of your control like %chances and such. Risk mitigation. That's the only real difference.
>>58784564and chess is most often played online with a 5 minute timer that does not refresh after every turn. So at most a chess game is 10 minutes long.just shut up next time
>>58783617In randbats, I can just type /randombattles <whatever nigger> and see sets and shitOUfags are cucked
>>58781642>Why is that all VirGinCucks hate Smogon for things that are present and sometimes much worse in VGC?Imagine someone who actually plays Gamefreak's format because it's "official" (and probably buys all the games)There's your answer
>>58784594so your complaint was the timer? That doesn't track based on the image you posted. I'd be perfectly happy with a modified timer instead of the current system, but you were "criticizing" someone thinking through options. Very different things.
>>58781759There is more RNG in Doubles Rock Slide, which makes it more frustrating for both parties.You can;>miss both Pokemon>hit only 1>hit both and not flinch either>hit 1 and miss the other>flinch 1 and miss the other>hit both and flinch 1>hit both and flinch bothNot accounting for crits and current game state where your opponent only needs to flinch that one Pokemon or crit them to death.
>>58781566>what is Glare?>what is Stun Spore?>what is Body Slam?
Is this why sleep is getting banned in Gen 4?
>>58784898Why do you retards keep saying this shit like it proves something?
>>58784898an accurate list would be:>miss both pokemon>hit 1 pokemon>hit 1 pokemon and flinch>hit 1 pokemon and crit>hit 1 pokemon and flinch and crit>hit 2 pokemon>hit 2 pokemon and flinch 1>hit 2 pokemon and flinch both>hit 2 pokemon and crit 1>hit 2 pokemon and crit both>hit 2 pokemon and flinch 1 and crit the other>hit 2 pokemon and crit and flinch both...I think.
>>58785412you forgot hitting 2, flinching 1 and critting both and hitting 2, critting both, and flinching 1there's more variance in doubles but also more ways to play around it. for instance you could protect or wide guard like that other anon keeps saying
>>58785269sorry meant to reply to >>58783449
>>58781858I agree so much, I got wrongly tournament banned because I was falsely accused of cheating.
>variance variance varianceshow me where in the post that started this discussion anyone was complaining about variance
>>58781566>send great tusk>zapdos used hurricane>Send gliscor>slowking used ice beam>Send iron threads>dragapult used surf>send ting lu>hattarene used dazzling gleam
>>58786262thats crazy your opponent has four pokemon out at once, maybe report them for cheating?
>>58783380This is incorrect. He played it sporadically on and off prior and had a semi-positive opinion of it although harboring some reservations. It wasn't until he was exposed to the optimized metagame for an extended period of time that he was forced to reckon with the fact that Gen 4 OU is truly garbage.
>>58783669not everyone is a rude calctranny
>Rocks>Body Press>Iron Defensewhat's a good 4th move for Archaludon, I've never used this mon before but I need a water, grass and steel resist a la HeatranBut Heatran had Lava Plume and Archaludon doesn't have Scald, I'm not sure what to put in as the 4th move
>>58780612I got permamuted for telling someone off about this. It's literally encouraged.
>>58786702gen 4 OU may well be garbage but i simply refuse to acknowledge the opinion of someone who shills a format pre-physical/special split as the greatest way to play competitive pokemon
>>58786710is this a singles question? rocks makes me think so. is electro shot any good there? would there ever be a world where electro shot/power herb is good in singles too?
>I can't predict and it makes me mad: the thread
Smoggies are comically bad at predicting
>>58783380You've got it backwards, he wanted to vote yes on banning Machamp. He was very vocal about how much he hated Machamp.
Pokemon is a highly skill-based game for intellectual big brained giga-IQ mind Chad's when I win, but a repugnant low-level rng fest shit,brained toddler-tier excuse of a competition when I lose, especially if it's when I get haxed so always.
Jimothy's unedited gameplay channel is the best pokemon content on youtube, the main channel is very clickbait/wikihow article-like
