Will we ever have kino again?
every game here is terrible except HGSS
No because of contrarians like >>58780269
>>58780281If I was a contrarian I would have said HGSS is bad and DP is good.
>>58780268No. Even if Game Freak were to make an HD-2D Pokemon game they'd still somehow screw it up.
>>58780282BW2 is also good
>>58780311>pointlessly linear game with no difficulty, bad writing, horrifically bad looking sprites, and gutted casualized postgame is also goodnah
>>58780269fpbp
>>58780269>every game here is terrible except the literal worst games here
>>58780268>This made boomerlennials piss and shit themselves
>>58780268>kinoPokemon was never good and its success after the sheer novelty factor of the first game was always attributed to the spinoff media, especially the anime.
>>58780268>Will we ever have kino again?We got legends arceus so I still have hope someone at gamefreak can tard wrangle the devs back to their prime
>>58780382>>58780385so what makes this an issue exactly
>>58780385>Karen’s GengarHer quote is definitely cope
>>58780609he’s a campaignshitter who’s completely terrible at the games so he thinks platinum is challenging
>>58780268emerald should be there as well desu
I just finished Z-A a minute ago and Jesus Christ what a hunk of shit. Came back to /vp/ looking for a thread where I could vent because holy cow that was so boring and shitty. I got it around launch and it took me til today to slog through it. It was so goddamn hand holdy, the city so fucking bland and boring, and the main rival (?) is insufferable the whole time. Right now the biggest thing pissing me off is the wish at the end being so pointless. Why even have that as a story device? They steam roll you to make the wish and give you two better options that they don’t fulfill. The rival could have made that shitty ass wish. And then Vinnie further makes it worse by admitting he was gonna do that shit anyway, even if you hadn’t wished for it, and like just radio’s in to move forward with the plan. What a goddamn waste of time.
>>58780269>dude just use shitmons for 90% of the game>dude just play Voltorb shit for 3 hours to buy a Tm>dude just play shitty touch screen games for 3 hours and wait until tuesday to buy a water stone>dude just encounter level 15 rattatas the entire fucking game all the way until red lmao Hgss are dogshit and im happy more people are waking up to that fact
>>58780646>dude just use shitmons for 90% of the gamethanks for telling us immediately that you’re bad at pokemon games so I don’t need to take the rest of the post seriously
>>58780646No one said you HAD to use shitmons. You're the one willingly ignoring Kanto's greats out of an autistic sense of "B-BUT THEY'RE NOT THESE ONES".
>>58780652lol you weren’t going to make any response anyway faggot
>>58780609Objectively bad team composition and level curve. The infantile state of its difficulty makes the other games (which are already easy) look difficult. Overgrown toddlers like >>58780634 then get agitated when they called out for their low standards of excusing shitty game design and eating up slop in their kids games.
>>58780268Kinda.
>>58780269I know /vp/ is 70% shitposting and 30% schizos/autists in need of a babysitter, but it sure would be nice if people could actually form arguments as to why gen 4/5 are bad in particular.
>>58780704I know /vp/ is 70% shitposting and 30% schizos/autists in need of a babysitter, but it sure would be nice if people could actually form arguments as to why gen 4/5 are good in particular.
>>58780681>It’s because I’m terrible at the games and think Platinum is challengingdamn looks like >>58780634 was right.
>>58780704>forced tutorials everywhere>gay add-ons like dreamworld>animated sprites are all shit>pokemon are all rip offs of old pokemon>gems are the worst gimmick of all time>removed contests, fishing, berries, etc>story is terrible>characters are cringe>region is ugly>seasons are gayThere is nothing that gen 5 does better than other gens besides having the most zoomers defend it.
>>58780681the trainers are underpowered compared to later gens because johto is a pre-powercreep region and as a result its dex is also underpowered compared to later genslower overall power level ≠ bad progression
>>58780269nice falseflag, hoennsis!
>>58780816Emerald and HGSS are both good. None of the other games in the OP are.
>>58780816>BW fan>tranny obsessedkek every time
>>58780784>Having a melty with his 6 shitmons because people think he might be retarded for believing HGSS had intelligent game designdamn looks like >>58780681 was right
>>58780812No it's because before Sinnoh the games were riddled with shitmons. The least popular metagame is Gen II btw.
>>58780315This but with HGSS and especially XY
>shitmons shitmons shitmonsHow can a board dedicated to pokemon be so bad at actually playing?
>>58780855Post elo/ball rank
>>58780840If everything is a shitmon, nothing is.
>>58780774thanks for admitting defeat
>>58780806Pokémon never had a good story or good writing, but N is objectively the deepest character Pokemon ever had
>>58780847>bort deflects to either hgss or xy (in this case, both) classic!
>>58780863He has the most backstory and lore, but none of it is good, so what's the point?
>>58780858Master ball and top 150 smogon. Define shitmon.
>>58780863>he's objectively the tastiest turdnot even true but also lmao
>>58780315>>58780774>>58780806>>58780865hi yawnfagxy will never be in the golden era and za is the least horrible kalos gamethis is an objective fact to anyone but yourself
>>58780833no one said HGSS has intelligent game designthe clownish part is the fact that you think Platinum is hard
>>58780882no one said Platinum is hardthe clownish part is the fact you think HGSS's unintelligent game design is excusable
>>58780888>no one said Platinum is hardYou did, when you started crying about HGSS being easy and using Platinum as a comparison
>>58780881>objectiveWere you born this autistic?
>>58780881I'm not even an XY fan, nor do I hate BW/B2W2, I think they're both middling at best and worst respectively. I just think it's funny that unovabortions love to pivot to it when you criticize gen 5I get that HGSS makes them insecure, that's fair, but XY? It's like, fine I guess lol
>>58780892No one said Platinum was hard, but HGSS was so poorly designed it made Platinum look difficult. You are low IQ with low standards though so you excuse bad game design because every Pokemon game is easy.
>>58780868Fucker had aura
>>58780888parroting is an admission of defeat
>>58780894>XY is so indefensible yawnie now has to pretend to be a neutral party when vying for the gameskeka
>>58780901>a lower general power level across both your pokemon and the opponents' = le bad designi fail to see how>>58780910meds
>>58780881>it sure would be nice if people could actually form arguments as to why gen 4/5 are bad in particular.>reeeeeeee not like thatunovafags lmao
>>58780892Relative to HGSS, it is; which says a lot about the state of HGSS don't you think?
>>58780922You might be retarded if you think any pokemon game is harder than another.
>>58780922>which says a lot about the state of HGSS don't you think?No, not really. Please tell me how and why one game being easier than another makes it a worse game
>>58780894>I think they're both middling at best and worst respectivelyNo one thinks this and thus you gave yourself away immediately, yawnie...
>>58780926No, credit where it's due, some Pokemon games are easier than others.But difficulty and quality aren't even remotely linked.
>>58780930>some Pokemon games are easier than others.Not when you aren't an idiot.
>>58780929I sincerely and wholeheartedly believe XY is middling at best, and BW is middling at worst. They're both just fine, BW is a little bit better. And B2W2 is a little bit better than BW. HGSS, Emerald and Platinum mog all of them. My favorite overall is HGSS by a long shot. And also everything after Sun and Moon is utter dogshit.Please refer to >>58780914
>>58780926>>58780927Are all johtoddlers as low IQ as this retard? There's a distinction between game easy because designed for children and game easy because objectively bad game design.
>>58780953So how is a universally lower power level across the whole region (includes both your Pokemon and the opponents, so they balance each other out) bad game design? You have yet to answer this question.
>>58780645This game probably has the most useless protagonist hands down, not that he's necessarily a moron but if he didn't come to Kalos nothing would have changed Zygarde could have given its mega stone to someone else. There are hundreds of trainers who know how to mega in the city, surely another one could have ended up becoming the chosen one. Hell it could have just kept the stone and megad itself really, because you the trainer did fuck all in that final fight, it was Zygarde who battled and killed Ange. "Defeating" Ange is the only noteworthy thing your character does in the main story, otherwise they did not leave an impact on Lumiose at all. While I'm at it the whole Ange thing felt sorta retarded too, since it feels like Az could have simply turned it off way earlier. It's literally just one button press old man
>>58780953>avoids the question>can't tell anons apart>thinks every pokemon game isn't as easy as one anotherbased retard
>>58780943>I'm too retarded to understand nuanceWe know, johinfant...
>>58780960it’s not fun
>>58780963>can't tell anons apartThis is the funniest part because those two posts were not a full minute apart KEK
>>58780964>still can't explain what makes any of these games not the same difficulty
>Johkiddie is now not only mass-replying to anons but talking to xherself after being faced with overwhelming evidence of HGSS' embarrassing game designHoly kek
>>58780966Well I mean that's pretty subjective, I personally have a blast every time I play through HGSSI can't really argue with "I don't particularly find this fun," different strokes and all that
>>58780973I wish i was this schizo. It seems fun.
>>58780919I don't see you forming any genuine arguments on why gen 4/5 are bad.
>>58780960People in this thread have already pointed out the terrible level curve, team composition and the fact its Pokedex is shitmon-central. It's why HGSS is exceptionally easy from the other kids games.
>>58780980I can already tell you're going to be a bitch about it because nothing is genuine to you but this entire post exists >>58780806
>>58780987>gen 4 is bad because of a whole lot of complaints leveled at gen 5
>>58780984>it's so easy because your team will be full of underleveled shitmons that have no synergy????
>>58780984>terrible level curveA frequently parroted criticism, but no one is ever able to tell you what's bad about it. >team composition and the fact its Pokedex is shitmon-centralThis has been counter-argued a number of times. The teams are a lower power level because the Pokemon in the region are a lower power level. If everything is a so-called shitmon, nothing is.
>>58780993jfc I hate esls. Why do you insist on talking in english when you don't understand it?
>>58780960You're genuinely retarded if you can't see the problem with this these >>58780382 >>58780385Is Cyrus easy? Yes because Pokemon is still a kids game. But look at the objectively terrible final boss in HGSS. HGSS is not easy just because it's a kids game, it's because it's also poorly designed. Normal people see this distinction and accept the nuance of it; you need to cope to defend it.
>>58781005>still can't explain what makes any of these not a 1/10 difficulty
>>58780963>all pokemon games are easy therefore it's impossible for a pokemon game to be even easier than anotherWhy does this retard keep trying to argue this? Is it bait?
>>58781005>trainer has a lower power level to account for a dex that also has a lower overall power levelI dunno man, that sounds like pretty basic game design principles to me. I can't help but notice you haven't been able to counterargue this.
>>58780268ZA Just released 2 months ago!
>>58781009Johkiddies don't understand nuance and it's the only way he can defend the state of HGSS. That's why he's trying to force this into some weird meme >>58780971>>58780996>>58781008
>>58781011>Ignores the shitty team composition as a result of the shitty Pokedex as a result of shitty power ceiling as a result of the shitty level curveYour insistence with this is getting embarrassing, anon.
>>58781027>low = shittyHow so?
>>58781000except not everything is a shitmon. typhlosion and feraligatr are powerhouses, mareep is easy to find early on, anyone who understands the friendship mechanic can get a crobat, you get a gyarados practically for free, etc.
>>58781028>Why is low bad when it results in shitty team composition and a shitty Pokedex and shitty power ceiling and a shitty level curveYour insistence with this is getting embarrassing, anon.
>>58781040What makes them shitty?
>>58781042it’s not fun
>>58781042Do you think the Rocket admin is HGSS has a respectable final boss team like Cyrus or Ghetsis? What about Lance compared to Cynthia, or the E4 compared to Unova's? If so, why are they so forgettable to the community?
>>58781048damn i didnt realize all that fun i continue to have every time i play hgss is just imaginary, thanks for opening my eyes>>58781059archer is fought after gym 7 and is just an admin, ghetsis is the final boss of the main story. not even comparablealso, yes, lance is a respectable champion.
>>58780634but only campaignshitters defend HGSS because you get to blitz through KANTOOO with no satisfaction while one of your shitmons follows you from behind
>>58781099you’re welcome>archer is fought after gym 7 and is just an adminthere is noone in team rocket above him. he’s the leader.
>>58781119
>>58781124>event onlydo johtoasters really
>>58781127>not playing the kino events
>>58781099>archer is fought after gym 7 and is just an admin, ghetsis is the final boss of the main story. not even comparableThen why didn't they fix that? Why is Team Rocket just a bunch of forgettable jobbers with an admin that barely even qualifies as a final boss because of how pathetic he is? Sounds like you're excusing shitty game design.>also, yes, lance is a respectable champion.Only if you're retarded lol. Lance is fondly remembered for having the same mon compose half of his team (because of the shitty HGSS Pokedex).
>>58780268Unlikely, but not never. Maybe in a couple years there'll a theatrical release for the 30th anniversary of the anime or Detective Pikachu 2.
>>58781170>Why is Team Rocket just a bunch of forgettable jobbers Team Rocket's whole schtick is that they're incompetent, they're memorable for exactly that. GSC/HGSS's Team Rocket subplot is about a bunch of low-level goons desperate trying to get back in contact with their leader to reform the team, because they got btfo in RBY. It wouldn't make sense if Archer had a team on par with Cyrus.>with an admin that barely even qualifies as a final boss because of how pathetic he is?He's not the final boss. Lance is the final boss of the main story, and Red is the final boss of the entire game. This isn't hard to understand.>Lance is fondly remembered for having the same mon compose half of his teamHe likes a Pokemon so much that he uses 3 of them. Based Lance, the ultimate karenchad.>(because of the shitty HGSS Pokedex).So the Kanto dex must be even shittier, right? Because the Johto dex is just the Kanto dex plus 100 new mons.
No, pokemon has fallen. Billions must play romhacks and fangames
>>58780987>forced tutorials everywhereLike XY?>gay add-ons like dreamworldAnd Pokemon Amie isn't a gay add-on because?>animated sprites are all shitThe static models are even worse. GF is only just starting to correct them.>pokemon are all rip offs of old pokemonGen 6 has three starters, an early game rodent technically a lagomorph in this case shitmon, a surprisingly useful bird, and an early game bug shitmon, two fossils, a pseudo legendary, four trade evolutions, three legendaries forming a trio, and at least one mythical. Gen 6 has plenty of Gen 1 ripoffs as well.>gems are the worst gimmick of all timeGen 6 started gimmicks with Mega Evolutions. (Which were admittedly fun)>removed contests, fishing, berries, etcXY also removed contests and had nothing to replace them. Fishing was in Gen 5. Nobody genuinely farmed berries unless you wanted Feebas that badly.>story is terribleXY's was even worse, with Lysandre being one of the worst antagonists until Chairman Rose was introduced, and Legends Z-A (a Gen 9 game) made him one of the greatest characters in the franchise in the form of L.>characters are cringe>region is ugly>seasons are gayNone of these are actual arguments.
>>58781285>Nobody genuinely farmed berries unless you wanted Feebas that badly.I meant Milotic. My statement still stands.
>>58780901>it made Platinum look difficultThe fact that you think this proves that you’re shit at the games and aren’t worth taking seriously.
>>58781285>Gen 6 started gimmicks with Mega Evolutions. the statement that gems are a gimmick is retarded but triple and rotation battles absolutely werethey were also fun though
>>58781285>B-BUT XY!!Glad you agree gen 5 is bad since you can’t actually defend it without pathetically deflecting to gen 6
>>58781295Glad to see your arguments are meaningless as the drivel you've been spitting out for 7/8 fucking years.So sorry that you were in diapers and could never experience Pokemon's golden era. Maybe someday there will be games that recapture that magic, but it won't matter, because you'd rather bitch about a DS game released in 2010.Three bullets, and I hope you walk into an oncoming train.
>>58781285>other games being bad means bw isn't
>>58781293alternate battle modes aren't gimmicks
>>58781320>IT’S IN THE GOLDEN ERA! IT’S IN THE GOLDEN ERA! IT’S IN THE GOLDEN ERA!
>>58781365What is a gimmick?
>>58780268>trying to buy an actual cartridge gen 4 game costs hundreds of dollarsdespicable
>>58781378a big flashy button on the battle screen
