>You can play as a girl now!>Uhhh…Suicune! Unown!What the fuck were they thinking?
>>58781223"Let's sell the same game again!"
>>58781226It worked for 2 decades
>>58781238And it'd work again
>>58781223the same thing they thought when making every other third version, lets scam people by releasing barely changed versions of games released less than 2 years ago because pokefags are idiots who will buy it anyway and they were right.
>>58781223Yellow only exists because they wanted a stopgap for the GBC launch, since GS was delayed. Crystal only exists because they saw the sales bump from Yellow and decided to make a slightly more ambitious anime tie-in game. It's no coincidence that Celebi and Suicune were the stars of the fourth movie.
>>58781248the problem is that crystal, emerald, and platinum really are the definitive way to play their respective gens to the point where part of me thinks gs, rs, and dp were actively sabotaged so that they could give you a reason to buy the special editions
>>58781223You forgot>lets cut one of the few early gen 2 pokemon!
>>58781260> the problem is that crystal, emerald, and platinum really are the definitive way to play their respective gensWhile the ideal answer would be that the first version they release is the finished version, it would be an even bigger insult if these upgraded versions were on par or very slightly better than the initial releases like Blue was to Red and Green
Kris and her spats helped turn me into a permanent lolicon at age 9
>>58781263God that was so dumb
>>58781226>>58781248Nobody forced you to buy the third version. It was also a way to allow those who hadn't played the first one to catch up. But today, with the DLC system, if I want the complete game, I’m forced to buy the base game as well.
>>58781223Crystal was only truly novel in Japan, where they were trendsetting on online interactions via mobile device that America simply hadn't achieved yet.Only reason they bothered localizing it was because "we can get more girls playing because now they can BE a girl!" and to get those last few squeezes of cash out of kids who hadn't yet hopped off the Pokemon train as Pokemania came to an end.
>>58781260No Anon there's no sabotage involved, Masuda is just that bad of a game designer
>>58781356>Calling yourself a lolicon for being attracted to a character around your age at that timeDo you also call yourself a pedophile because you used to be attracted to little girls as a fellow kid too?
>>58781223Crystal literally makes Gold and Silver obsolete.
What makes Crystal so much better than GS in the same vein as Emerald and Plat? Is a gay sideplot involving Suicune really that big a deal?
>>58781260crystal is hardly better than gs at all
>>58781223>get egg with increased shiny chance for freeshinies ain't don't mean no nothing no more
>>58782888Animated battle sprites.
>>58781223To be fair, all the Pokemon getting animations was pretty kino, and the glittery cart was pretty cool too.For me, I missed GS IIRC I pirated a badly translated Jap copy and ran it on some garbage-tier emulator I found? and went straight for an actual Crystal cart the second I was able to, and that was a big game for me for the longest time. No clue where that cart went though, even though I remember having it for damn near forever.
>>58781223>what were they thinking?It prints money
>>58781356based?
There's a reason pokemania started falling off between this game and the nothingburger anime
>>58781252You know that japanese yellow has Zero Color features, right? Is just blue with red/yellow hues. It was release before the Gameboy color, and it is actually the 4th Pokemon game.
>>58781223>New movesIs that even true?
>>58784166what are the Zero color features? never heard of them
>>58783061>Pokemon Crystal sold around 6.39 million copies worldwide, making it the lowest-selling main series Pokemon gameI was obsessed with Pokémon, and I remember entirely skipping Crystal. Going by sales, clearly I wasn't the only one that bowed out, at least until RS.
>>58784265There were additions made learnsets. Wasn't this the first generation Move tutors were introduced, I think?
>>58784328Technically yes but it was very minimal (pic related). Move tutors feel like more of a late gen 3 thing reallyI'm guessing they were just referencing the updated learnsets, but whoever was doing the advertising didn't know how to explain that
Crystal got gutted outside Japan.>No online trading>No online battling>No news updates>No online Battle Frontier>No transferring tournament battles to the last Stadium game>No GS Ball/Celebi event even though it was translated>No event mail>Odd Egg was included but in a different way>No Pokémon Communication Center even though the map still exists>No Mobile Adapter GB functionality or minigamesCrystal's name came from the technology used in the Mobile Adapter GB, and Suicune was chosen as the mascot by extension (crystal = suishou), along with its Ho-Oh status at the start of the Johto anime. It was a game that Nintendo got Game Freak to make pretty much just to advertise their new device that they quickly abandoned after a couple years, just like how Nintendo of the 90s and early 00s was throwing everything at the wall and failing to stick with it.But it's funny. Yellow only came out because Gold and Silver were taking so long and they needed a stopgap game to keep kids invested, so they made what was essentially a low effort anime ROM hack to also tie in with the first movie in 1998.Blue was considered during development but they decided against it. It was only when Shougakukan requested Nintendo for a version of Pokémon that could exclusively be sold through their magazines that Blue ended up becoming a reality. Red and Green, as well as Gold and Silver, are fundamentally complete games. It was only with Ruby and Sapphire that a third version was blatantly obvious with even Rayquaza obviously fitting the bill. There is no proper third pillar to Ho-Oh and Lugia, and the two of them are also so fundamentally different in terms of design and creation history, it's not like Reshiram and Zekrom which were created at the same time and had mutual design elements to contrast them.
>>58781260This is probably why people assumed Pokemon Z was inevitable, because they played XY and thought surely this is a base DP situation. The base game of Emerald isn't a huge jump from RS, even if it is the definitive one.
>>58784382>There is no proper third pillar to Ho-Oh and Lugia, and the two of them are also so fundamentally different in terms of design and creation history,That's because Lugia is Shudo's creation and was originally supposed to be a powerful being that wasn't a Pokemon. The Ho-oh counterpart was supposed to be some wolf.
>>58781260I wouldn't call Crystal definitive. Eusine hardly represents Johto to me, Ho-Oh and Lugia are more representative than Crystal, and Johto didn't need a Legendary subplot as its "story". I don't think anyone goes "Wow Kris, finally everything is different", it's such a superfluous addition, and it should show by everyone associating Gold/Ethan with the rival Silver and battling Red. Sometimes it's Lyra, but even then the context of fan art for that is usually vaguely romantic. And Kris rarely got any official acknowledgement after the early DP years.I don't think Emerald and Platinum added that much to their Gens. Platinum added Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres (available in HGSS), Regirock, Regice, and Registeel (only available through Pal Park otherwise, but requires a fateful encounter Regigigas to even find them), Tangela/Tangrowth (Ranch/HGSS/Pokéwalker) and Tropius (Pokéwalker) to Gen IV. And this is at the cost of Murkrow/Honchkrow (Diamond/HGSS/Pokéwalker), Stunky/Skuntank (Diamond), Misdreavus/Mismagius (Pearl/HGSS/Pokéwalker), Glameow/Purugly (Pearl), Trapinch/Vibrava/Flygon (DP/HGSS/Ranch in Japan), and Clamperl/Huntail/Gorebyss (DP/HGSS). You could say that Platinum made a number of dual-slot mode lines part of the regular Pokédex and not tied to GBA cartridges (Magby/Magmar/Magmortar, Elekid/Electabuzz/Electivire, Gligar/Gliscor), but even that's kind of reaching. Platinum is still the overall better game, but I think its additions weren't that big in the grand scheme of what DP already offered and what was unique to Gen IV. Emerald gave Hoenn the post-game it desperately needed, but once again, many of its additional 40-ish Pokémon could already be obtained through other methods by that point, only Mew was ever truly exclusive to Emerald.
>>58782888Animated Sprites (some are also altered and the best ones in general are used)Different LearnsetsSlight adjustments to a few encountersKurt can make you more than a single BALLRegular trainers no longer call you to only blabber/rematch. They can gift you various things, tell you about swarms (to which are also different) etc.Buena's Password show and rewardsBattle TowerUnown DexBetter friendship boosts while leveling at area found/hatchedSuicune Storyline albeit pretty thin it helps with things being a bit less aimlessSome areas received a graphical makeoverGift Dratini after beating Clair and answering perfectly nets you one that knows ExtremespeedRoamers have their own BGMGoldenrod Dept. Store's rooftop sellerOdd EggCelebi Event if you're playing the VC releaseAll the online features of the JP releaseAnd probably more that escapes me now.It might not seem like much but it adds up and makes for a more complete experience. Was 3rd versions consumer friendly? About as having 2 versions was in the first place but here we are. All 3rd versions are superior to the initial releases and denying that is frankly, silly.
>>58782883He outright said he's still attracted to little girls, ESL-kun.
>>58781252>Crystal only exists because they saw the sales bump from Yellow and decided to make a slightly more ambitious anime tie-in game>Completely ignoring the prototype GT's and wireless adapter via in form of a cellphone Crystal was too ahead of its time
>>58784649>Ignoring elements somebody born after Crystal in the wrong country where none of it was implemented within the localization so they couldn't have even known existed to begin with without researching on Bulbapedia, which they couldn't even be bothered to do
>>58784583The Unown Dex was already in GS, I'm pretty sure Crystal only added the rooms with the messages.https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Unown_ModeBut I think Crystal's additions, especially outside Japan, are pretty flimsy, not something I would feel that excited to buy if I already had Gold or Silver. It's nice to battle Ho-Oh and Lugia at level 60 so you still have access to their signature moves, and the Pokégear call changes are worthwhile, especially being able to get additional evolutionary stones a lot easier than via Mystery Gift, but I would feel pretty ripped-off buying such a game at full price.
>>58781260Crystal and GS are barely the same, I think Crystal fucked some Pokemon placement. HGSS thankfully mixed both games with DPP gameplay.Emerald is an improvement , improve some gyms like the twins and give more content and fights , but the Game has the future HGSS mentality of "mixing everything" that you could go back to RS.Platinum is 100% not only an improvement but fix the pacing and Gameplay issues. Is really the only third version that made me not to play the previous ones.
>>58782744> Nobody forced you to buy the third version. Nobody forced game freak to release an unfinished game>It was also a way to allow those who hadn't played the first one to catch up. I didn’t know games poof out of existence after two years
>>58781223I really like Crystal. I'd play Crystal over HGSS any day, IF it wasn't for the fact that Crystal's version of Kanto is clearly inferior to HGSS Kanto.GSC Kanto just looks completely butchered compared to HGSS Kanto, sadly. It's a pity, because I definitely prefer how Crystal over HGSS in terms of graphics, art style and music.
>>58785022Crystal also has the first ever Battle Tower. I think that's Crystal's biggest addition over Gold and Silver.
>>58785050Platinum had several downgrades from DPEmerald's changes are more substantial overall (ie. Battle Tents, Contest Halls all being moved to Lilycove, Trainer Hill, the waste that is Altering Cave which would have been better if it did anything, the event islands, etc.) but the story pacing is nearly identical. The Magma/Aqua story content is not expanded anywhere nearly enough, nearly all the events are the same with it alternating between Magma doing it or Aqua doing it, and there's also a couple new extra bits, but Magma and Aqua had less variety together than even Team Rocket. Courtney appears once in the entire game of Emerald and she doesn't even speak, nor is she battled, she's just an NPC overworld sprite in a cutscene.
>>58785092The Battle Tower functioned differently between the Japanese version, where it was exclusively tied to the Mobile Adapter GB, and the localized versions.
>>58785110Yeah, I know. Personally I much prefer the localized version of the Battle Tower in Crystal. It's more simple and straightforward.
>>58785105>Several downgrades from DPThat's a desperate attempt to make people "want" to play DP over Platinum but its changes are mostly so significantly positive that it just puts DP in a bad light. It's easily the third version that outright replaces the prior two versions the most out of any Pokemon game and it's also the LAST third version we've ever gotten as if to say they can't just have an improved version of the base two releases anymore going forward. Every Pokemon game features very specific, tedious inclusions that make you want to play older games so a "perfect game" doesn't exist but Platinum really does come closest to a perfect Pokemon game with the standard formula. If anything most of its issues are that it still has too many carry overs from DP
>>58785084>GSC Kanto just looks completely butchered compared to HGSS KantoThis. Every time I feel the urge to play GSC again, I remember how much better Kanto is in HGSS, and I end up replaying HGSS instead.
>>58785084Most fun part of Crystal is getting Larvitar immediately in the post-game
