It's time to acknowledge that HeartGold and SoulSilver are the greatest Pokémon games of all time.
>said everyone
ive been saying this for years thoughit's just objectively the best one in almost every way, and this is coming from someone who actually plays jrpgs other than pokemon it's as close as we've ever gotten to the perfect pokemon game (there are a few minor things setting it back though, like the lack of certain TMs, areas to evolve certain gen 4 pokemon, and some questionable levels around the 5th to 7th gym (although i do feel like people exaggerate this one a lot), but in comparison to literally every single other pokemon game its flaws are pretty negligible)
>>58803292genuine question: what do you think it does better than BW2?
>>58803275>feel like replaying HGSS>boot it up>remember it has random encounters>remember it has HMs>remember it has TMs that only work once and can’t be repeatedly obtained>remember the maps have no gameplay except walking and clicking A in front pf rocks>remember the slow bag UI>remember the slow saving>remember the slow battle UI>remember the level curve shits itself after the third gym>remember Rocket grunts are still spamming level 20 Zubats while you’re at the 7th gym>remember the game incessantly spams level 15 Rattata/Pidgey random encounters from the first route all the way until the level 80 end boss>remember the game forces you to wait hours for the safari zone>remember the evolution stones are locked behind shitty minigames and a store that makes you wait hours the one you want to purchase>remember the other evolution items are behind grinding BP for hours at the battle frontier>remember the Move Tutor is only available in the postgame and requires BP from grinding facilities for hours to use>remember any good TM is locked until Kanto unless you grind voltorb shit for hours because they removed the ability to purchase coins>remember the game forces you to wait hours for the national park>remember it has no trainer customization>remember it has no ranked online>remember the breeding is shit>remember the EV training is shit>remember there's no ability capsules, patches, mints, or bottle caps>remember it uses lazy static sprites instead of pokemon that are actually animated>remember it has no party exp share>remember it has no box PC>remember more than half of the gyms and Elite 4 members don’t even use Johto Pokemon>remember all the railroading>remember the difficulty is even shittier than the newer games>realize it’s most overrated dogshit in the franchise>go back to playing SV
>>58803304Have you tried being White instead?
>>58803275no, they’re pretty bad all things considered
>>58803295well for starters, i really don't like unova as a region that muchjohto and kanto are regions with a ton of different paths that intertwine with each other, whereas unova is...an oval. johto and kanto also represent their real-world locations a lot better than unova, which makes them feel more cohesive.second off, the unova plot feels to me like it tries too hard without really succeeding. when i play a jrpg with a heavy focus on story, i want the story to be good. hgss's story is mostly just there so there's an adventure to go on in the first place: "become the champion, and stop the reforming of team rocket while you're at it." unova's story takes itself a lot more seriously, which isn't a bad thing in its own right (i love me some chrono trigger as much as the next guy) but it always bothered me that team plasma's whole facade was immediately thrown away in bw1, and then in the sequel they're just really generic. the scene where they froze opelucid was pretty awesome though.i can go on if you want
>>58803295>sprites that don't look like abhorrent dogshit the second they move or are used as back sprites>battle facilities that are actually challenging>maps aren't linear slop designed for toddlers>following pokemon>a bottom screen that's actually useful>pokeathlon actually being a fun side mode instead of a dogshit forced movie mode where you do nothing but follow a script>berry farming existing in the game
>>58803319for me they're tied for the best but yeah i get it
>>58803292>it's just objectively the best one in almost every way,until you actually play it and remember how shitty random encounters and the entire gen 4 engine is
>>58803321>a bottom screen that's actually usefuldid you know it's actually so useful that you can theoretically beat all of hgss using ONLY the touch screen, never pressing a button at all (assuming you use a 3ds so you can move using the circle pad)>>58803327i actually think b2w2 are pretty middle-of-the-road pokemon games but i see the appeal, and for what it's worth they do fix a LOT of the issues i had with bw>>58803329>gen 4 engineyeah that's a pretty fair complaint, i personally never minded it while playing the game myself but i understand why people don't like it that's why i said "almost" every way, game's not quite perfect (it's damn good though)>random encountersthis one just isn't an issue though, the encounter rate is reasonable it's not like, say, MOTHER where there's an encounter every other step
>>58803304>remember you forgot to kill yourself
>>58803275
Getting to catch Misdreavus halfway through Johto was such a comfy experience.
>>58803421>The two best gens are protected Sounds right to me
Guess the rest of his team.
>>58803275Without the words faithful remake, give me one(1) reason they left the level curve in HGSS
>>58803275>It's time to acknowledge that platinum and black/white 2 are the greatest Pokémon games of all time.ftfy>>58803275
>>58803421>daily reminder johtoniggers and borts are protected by jannieswtf I love jannies now
>>58803456'twasn't an issue in the first place
>>58803421Trvke
>>58803421>blatant kalosperm victim complex post telling anyone else they have a victim complex
>anyone who notices Muh favouritism and unfair treatment is a kalos fanGrim
>>58803421Based if true.
>>58803304still no rebuttal to this
What’s the best qol hack for these? Not big on drayano ones
HGSS are the best games in a vacuum, but the RBY --> GSC journey makes GSC the best games in the context of the franchise.But imho Platinum is a close second.
I think they are objectively the greatest, but my favourite is Emerald.
>>58803275it didn't age well
Also the best era of this board
>best era of the board>board was up long past release od the gamesOof
>>58803275How long until he pisses and shits himself with rage
>>58803275Easily the best games in this shit series
>>58803275I’ve never disagreed with this. It’s got so much content and so many excellent features that you can easily play for 100+ and not even come close to exhausting everything there is to do.
>>58803295Everything
>>58803304spoken like a true zoomertard
>>58803275Would rather just replay Gen 2 at this point. If Gens 1-3 were rereleased on Switch VC with Home support then I’d be happy. The early games were comfier than the DS era (3DS and Switch eras were comfy too). The DS graphics, music, color palette, load times, etc. just never did it for me.
>>58803421That's great, I really hope next they ban people from talking about XY specifically, just so they have an excuse to ban Yawnfag. Miserable fucking poster, get him out of here. He can't even use Sword/Shield as an argument anymore, everyone has come to agree that game is actually bad especially after every other Switch Pokemon title outside of BDSP actually tried (and every time he defends BDSP he looks like a fucking retard and borderline schizophrenic where he thinks people disliking the game is a psyop to get people to dislike the game).
Is it just me or is HGSS a bit chintzy? The graphics haven’t aged well and the music is godawful. I can’t think of any good thing they added with the gameplay. All of the Pokemon remakes are like this, totally unnecessary cash grabs that are only relevant when they came out.
>>58803275Always have been.B2W2 comes close, followed by Emerald. Platinum may be up there, but I never actually played it so I can't speak. Besides I do know that Johto's Battle Frontier is from Platinum so that's something.
>>58807106>B2W2 comes close, no it doesn’t
>>58803304Literally nobody can counter this.
>>58803275Best at what? The team building is fucking atrocious and the level curve makes the game a boring slog. Every Pokemon game has optional features and battle facilities, the main game of HGSS is way too awful to ever be the best.
>>58803275You spelled Sword and Shield wrong.
>>58807111>turkey sandwichCome up with a better argument
>>58807124>chicken sandwichCome up with a better argument
>>58803421All facts.
>>58807126>parrot sandwichThank you for admitting defeat
>>58807111You're right, it's just way better.
>>58807143>No argument sandwichThank you for admitting defeat
>>58807111Cry moar
>>58807106>B2W2 comes close,
>>58807212>1 location = 1 contentClearly Z-A Lumiose has the most content with 152 locations, meanwhile both RBY Kanto and LGPE Kanto has the least amount of content with only 67 locations.
>>58807227>BW2 has content because I said so = 1 content
>>58807319I accept your concession.
>>58807324Glad we agree XY has the most content because I said so
>>58803275BW2, Platinum and HGSS are the best three Pokémon games order however you like
>>58807326B2W2 has 105 locations compared to XY having 95 locations so I guess B2W2 actually does have more content according to your crap logic.
BW is the best Masuda experienceHGSS is the best Morimoto experiencePlatinum felt like a mix of both of them (was Kawachimaru game but both Morimoto and Masuda worked on that)Arceus is the best Iwao experience till Galar appearB2W2 is just XY prototypeZA is just Town Hero spiritual succesor
>>58807349I sure do hope Little town Hero comes out one day
>>58807337Glad we agree BW2 doesn’t come close to HGSS’s content.
Would have been perfect had they added the Magnetic Field bullshit from the Sinnoh games into HGSS
>>58807349>good game is just bad game prototypehuh?
>>58807372>bad game is just good game prototypeMakes sense to me.
>>58807361>this banana is worse than this banana because it's got one fewer tiny black dot on itI swear you guys will find any reason to fight with each other
>>58803304>t. DeKenan McKel
>>58807372Sometimes happen.Like FFXV platinum demo or the demo from type 0
>>58803295unova has so many flaws that they literally call it the issue region in japan
>>58807568>isshuyou're trying too hard
BW2 has 40 badges.
>>58807684can i see them?
>>58803275The best smelling turd is still a turd OP. Pokemon has never been anything better than mediocre.
>>58807684Yet no ribbons
>>58803456They added more Pokemon (the missing johtomons) to the Safari Zone around when the so-called "level curve issue" shows up. If they changed it, you wouldn't be able to grind up those mons reliably.
>>58807682c'mon i thought it was pretty cleveri don't even hate unova i just wanted to make that joke
>>58807706Explain how a highly replayable RPG with hundreds of party members and tons of side content is mediocre compared to every other RPG series. Look, im not saying these are masterpieces or anything, but id genuinely don't know how they're worse that the competition, aside from maybe story but other JRPGs aren't focused on story as well
>>58807349>ZA is just Town Hero spiritual succesorMy fucking sides
>>58807710>the garbage that is the johto safari zone>first mission is catching a geodudegreat time to use it again!
>>58807725>>the garbage that is the johto safari zonei can catch bagon and riolu after 3 month so it's not garbage.
>>58807725johto is literally the only time the safari zone was ever done rightno gayass step limit
I used to be a “HGSS is Peak Pokemon!!!” person for years until I realized that I was getting all of my opinions from people online. I’ve come to find that HGSS are some of the worst games in the series for my own taste. The story is nonexistent, the dex distribution is trash, the gym leaders suck, and I never really cared about PokeAthlon or the contests or anything so the only thing that really feels unique to me is the Kanto postgame, but usually by the time I reach that point I’m already burnt out on how ass the Johto campaign is. The music is great, but I feel like that’s true of more Pokemon games than not. The biggest thing it had going for it is the following Pokemon but now that’s been solidly back in an objectively cooler way for a solid 2.5 gens now with no sign of stopping, it really feels kinda flat. I find that Emerald still tops it in terms of atmosphere and exploration, and I vastly prefer Hoenn BF to Gen 4 BF, so HGSS is not really offering me much there. I put HGSS alongside Gen 1 and 2, Diamond and Pearl, and BW1 in a category of antiquated games that don’t hold up to new audiences. Emerald, Platinum, and B2W2 are the standout games of the 2D area and the only ones that can compete with the 3D era of the franchise. Any counter to this is uncritical nostalgiawank.
>>58807787The fact that you consider XY as good as some of those other games you listed says a lot about what you value, let alone actually terrible games like SS or BDSP.
>>58807799The 3D era has still given us some terrible games no doubt, but their playability and accessibility to a control group is pretty inarguably off the charts superior to all of the 2D games except the three I listed. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that an outdated game that requires context and nostalgia to fully appreciate could be the *best* game in a series.
>>58807090I’m fine with ORAS because it’s more of a reimagining and gen 3 is fucking archaic.
>>58807819>playability and accessibility to a control groupcorpo kikespeak
>>58807819Thank you ChatGPT
>>58807090No it’s not just you. Gen 2 is unironically easier on the eyes and ears than the Gen 4 remakes. Yes the games aren’t as feature rich, but who cares? Both are extremely dated so you might as well play the originals that don’t have all the superfluous Gen 3+ additions to the franchise like abilities, natures, physical/special split, etc. that bog down the game.
>>58807851>>58807877>no argumentglad we all agree xy, swsh and bdsp are better than hgss
>>58807799there's nothing wrong with XY
>>58807895None of those are superfluousStat exp is a superfluous feature when 99.9% of the time you're going to max it out anyway. So it turns into a chore that takes far longer to max out than EVs.
>>58807896>noooooooooo you can't just insult me, you WILL engage with me on my heckin termerinos!!!!! I'm heckin always right and you must heckin disproverino me, bigoted nazi incel chuds!!!
>>58808006is this how all johtofags speak to others? throw a shitfit when they don't understand something?
>>58807819>it's a good game because they made a lot of money and got a lot of market insightsLeast retarded objectivefag.
>>58808044>it's a bad game because I said soLeast retarded objectivefag.
>>58803275Take so cold it broke physics and somehow is colder than absolute zero
>>58807896Argument? I am just making fun of you Nerd
>>58808032>disrespecting the arrows(you) lost the basedduel though
>>58803295Everything. Bw is better than bw2. Bw2 is a weirdly paced snoozefest
>>58808077>>58808094>still no argument>frogpostingkek
>>58808044>it's a bad game because I was over 10 years old when I played it
>>58808195poop and niggers dying LMAO
No region that has this and calls it a pokemon can ever be the best at anything.
>>58803275Only if you're a furry pedophile who's allergic to showers
>>58807721>Slow as fuck>Boring, baby mode, mash A combat>Shitty story>Can't even skip the cutscenes for the shitty story>All other gameplay is shallow as fuck>90% of the designs are steaming hot dogshitI say this as someone who would describe HG SS as the best the franchise has to offer.
>>58807725Better than the steaming hot dogshit that was the gen 1 safari zone.
>>58808342Well, i agree actually
>>58807909do you even play the games or is your entire pokemon experience battling on showdown?
>>58808429it's the same schizo that complains about how stat exp was oh so better because he doesn't know EV reducing berries exist
> It's time to acknowledge that HeartGold and SoulSilver are the greatest Pokémon games of all time.and if i refuse?
>>58808447>What? The nature doesn't match with the Pokemon when it wasn't an issue when I was 6? I must reset!!!
>>58808447no no no, don't change the topic. i'm trying to make a point here. this:>Stat exp is a superfluous feature when 99.9% of the time you're going to max it out anyway.is dumb. of course you want to max it out. it's a PROGRESSION feature. the more you battle and use the same pokemon, the stronger they become compared to wild ones.
>>58803304>>remember it has no party exp sharestopped reading right there. best game ever confirmed
>>58807909Nigga we’re talking about single player. That shit is less aggravating than every game on the GBA, DS, and 3DS where 90% of the mons you catch are permanently gimped because they are stuck with shit natures and/or abilities.
