ORAS might be one of the best Pokemon games ever made, and we're all pretending otherwise because of the dumb Battle Frontier memes. The Battle Frontier is overrated anyway lol.
>>58805960I liked soaring and the return of secret bases.
It's not even better than RS at a ton of stuff, and RS is scuffed to begin with. Yeah, it improves on Gen 6's connectivity features with Gen 3's concepts, but that only makes it better than XY. The overworld artstyle is still ass but in a different way this time, the loading is annoying specifically because of how Hoenn was originally designed to have very few loading points, the performance hit is not great, there's two entire cut dungeons originally from base RS (ignoring anything Emerald added) with nothing to replace them (Sea Mauville is a sidegrade at best), there's a ton of weird balance changes when RS was mostly fine to begin with, I could go on with all this. And what do you get in return outside of a better game than XY? Mirage Islands which are okay at best and DexNav which is fun and an expansion on the schizophrenia mechanic of hearing cries on the overworld. Still way better than BDSP by every metric aside from modability at least, but it's arguably worse than FRLG's weird fucking decisions and FRLG is middle of the pack at best.
>>58805960Battle Frontier was just a lazy excuse that ruined the both these games and copers who think they shouldnt have included it due to it not being in the original R/S forget that megas, battle maison and other nushit also wasnt in the originals too. Trash remakes
>>58805975>there's two entire cut dungeons originally from base RSWhich ones?
its fine, as a hoennfag i can't put it over emerald for these main reasons though:>emeralds story just makes more sense>bf>Rayquaza as main legend is just epic>the 2d aesthetics really fit emerald / hoenn in general>Fairy in hoenn just feels weird
i didnt read anything about it pre-release, so getting to catch a level 80 deoxys was pretty fucking cool to 14 year old me at the time
>>58805975ORAS has all the best content of RS (Secret Bases, Contests) and XY (Pokemon Amie, Super Training, Battle Maison, Battle Institute, Megas, etc) combined, plus brand new content (New Megas, Soaring, DexNav, etc).That's way more content than what XY or RS can offer individually.
>>58805960>godawful art styleNah
I don't care about ORAS because I didn't want a RS remake. They're both incomplete games that Emerald fixed. Same reason why I don't care for BDSP. I don't want a DP remake, they're incomplete games that Platinum fixed. Game Freak should takes notes from Atlus' Persona remakes.
>>58806120ORAS is much much more than a simple RS remake
It would be if hey finished the fucking thing properly. Not just frontier but all the other ruined shit like pokeblocks
>>58806155>all the other ruined shitList them
>>58805960It was GameFreak’s magnum opus to the point they dedicated an entire dlc to it
>>58806163What DLC?
>>58805991Granite Cave required you to traverse the dungeon to deliver the letter to Steven in RSE. In ORAS, you get a hallway and a story room with the rest of the dungeon blocked off until you get the Mach Bike.Abandoned Ship was replaced by Sea Mauville.Trick House got overhauled and has 2 rooms less than RSE.Game Corner.New Mauville opens up far later in ORAS.Mirage Island expanded into Mirage Spots.
>>58806179So what dungeons did ORAS cut, exactly?
>>58805960It just stands out because the abominations swsh and sv that came after it. For the 3ds games I think it gets mogged by sm/usum. Yeah yeah yeah cutscenes but the battles were good, characters were decent (except for lillie and hop lol), it looks good for a 3ds game (extremely rare achievement for pokemon), the new roster of mons were good, etcORAS is the best if you're a shinyhuntfag or compfag
>>58806181My guesses are Abandoned Ship and Mirage Island, but those had replacements, so were they truly cut? The real answers are the Game Corner and those 2 Trick House rooms.>>58806175Legends Z-A Mega Dimension. That anon is lying, it wasn't the entire DLC and there wasn't enough Hoenn nor water.>>58806188>except for lillie and hop lolHau did you confuse Hau for Hop?
>>58806161You want a full list? Just off the top of my head I can think of a dozen>New Mauville>the phone>Sky Pillar>Granite Cave>some puzzle rooms in trick house>Gym Leader rematches>Berry Blending minigame>Pokeblock blends actually mattering>Safari Zone>no roaming legendary>various ereader related content>Game Corner (or something to replace it)>trainer improvements from emerald including more double battles
>>58806201>Hau did you confuse Hau for HopTbh they're like same same character except hop is the one that developed depression. And their names are so similar.
>>58806212And the animations are the same too
Still holds up today.
>>58805960no, you're just a nigger with shit taste. Oras has way too many fucking problems, the lack of battle frontier is just the cherry on top. the fucking thing has a hideous chibi art style, removed the game corner, hands you op shit and heals you/teleports you all the time, it started the retarded trend of multiple universes, introduced the absolute retard known as zinnia, ignored most of emerald for some retarded reason, etc. these would be the worst fucking remakes if bdsp didn't exist. anyone who likes oras ought to stop playing the fucking games, they're poisoning the well foe the rest of us
>>58805960It was better than XY and it's better than BDSP.
Fuck the Battle Frontier, the way they butchered Mauville City is enough for me to disregard it in favor of the originals
>>58806137It ignored basically everything Emerald added and was the first remakes to do that, setting the grounds for the absolute horror of BDSP.
>>58805975>the loading is annoying specifically because of how Hoenn was originally designed to have very few loading pointsthis is a meme complaint
>>58805960ORAS isn't even the best Pokemon remake. HGSS exists.>>58806754Just like Johto's level curve.
>>58806836TRVKE
>>58805960Removing features people liked doesn't make a game better.
>Ohmori game>goodlol. lmao even.
>>58806836Johto actually has a level curve problem.A tiny bit of waiting between a handful of areas is fucking irrelevant to the overall game.Not even remotely comparable.
>>58806907>no you see it's not a meme complaint if i agree with itLike clockwork.
>>58806205Out of your entire list, Gym Leader Rematches is the only thing that actually matters (and even that has new content that makes up for it, like the Type Specialist scattered around the Battle Resort).
>>58806571You listed every single meme complaint about ORAS, and zero actual problems.
>>58805960I felt the same until I actually finished it. The once a day mirage islands kind of suck as a way to get more Pokemon available (oh, you want Petillil? better hope you get the right Mirage Island) and there's nothing to do in the postgame other than hunt a few legendaries.If it actually did have a Battle Frontier of some kind then it really would be perfect.>>58806070Honestly I love the secret base changes, and it's definitely the best version of secret bases out of RSE/DPt/ORAS/BDSP, but the fact that you can only have IIRC 30 bases saved (aside from your own) sucks ass. Why the actual fuck didn't they just save secret base locations to the Extra Data on the console and let you have one for each possible location?>>58806155>Not just frontier but all the other ruined shit like pokeblocksNah, fuck that, Pokeblocks in ORAS are better. Fuck that stupid little minigame, and fuck the *sheen* limit that all the other games have on feeding your Pokemon.>>58806932Because one matters and one doesn't. Johto's level curve means you have to grind extra hard to add anything to your team after a point, and you get punished for trying to use more than 3-4 Pokemon because there are only so many NPC trainers to give you EXP. Hoenn having more loading zones means that you spend half a second transitioning to a new area when you didn't before. There's a fucking difference, you can't just dismiss them both as being "memes" because neither bother you.
>>58805960At the time, sure. It gets points for bringing back things like Secret Bases and the Eon Ticket which can all still be accessed today, Soaring, almost all the legendaries from previous games, the random daily Mirage Spots (no idea why they thought locking Cresselia behind one was a good idea though), the Delta Episode (parts of it were okay and fighting Deoxys like that again but without an event needed like Gen 3 was awesome), and keeping the PSS system from XY which to this day is still the best way a Pokemon game did online play. But I’d never replay it in a million years because it still felt way easier than R/S/E ever did (getting a free Latios/Latias just after the 5th gym along with Mega Evolution made it a steamroll like XY did), and even then I’d rather replay Colosseum or Gale of Darkness.
>>58805960Who are you trying to convince? lol
>>58808266veepee obviously
>>58805960The Delta Episode is so irredeemably trash that not even riding mega fug into space to fight Deoxys can save it. How the fuck did they manage to make every single aspect leading up to the finale so bad?
>Game has a third version that is obviously just the finished, tweaked version of the game>Remake uses the base versions anywayWhy do they keep doing this
>>58806907>>58808250>he fell for the level curve meme
>>58808365>memekys
ORAS might be more respectable return to Hoenn than BDSP or even Arceus for Sinnoh. Lots of Hoenn Megas were worth it.
>>58808696>so many Hoenn megas that even with Z-A + DLC only adding Chimecho and Absol Z, there are still more Hoenn Megas than any other regionit's actually kind of funny when you think about it.
>>58808372>>>he fell for the level curve meme
>>58808696I think so. BDSP was made with spite, and PLAss is an empty field that panders to other regionsWhat's funny is now all Sinnoh characters use their new ugly 3D render from BDSP on bulbapedia despite not getting updated character designs, lol.
>>58808714>Still no Mega FlygonIt genuinely cannot be that hard for them to do, can it?
>>58808714Kanto has 1 more mega than Hoenn
>>58809167No it doesn't. Gen 1: 12 + 3 + 4 + 2 = 21Gen 2: 5 + 1 + 3 + 0 = 9Gen 3: 10 + 10 + 0 + 2 = 22Gen 4: 3 + 2 + 1 + 5 = 11Gen 5: 0 + 1 + 6 + 1 = 8Gen 6: 0 + 1 + 10 + 1 + 12Gen 7: 0 + 0 + 1 + 4 = 5Gen 8: 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 = 1Gen 9: 0 + 0 + 0 + 4 = 4Now, if you want to be a disingenuous faggot and count Scizor and Steelix as Kanto, sure, subtract two from Johto and move two to Kanto. HOWEVER, I'll also be a disingenuous faggot in return, and move Gallade and Frosslass over to Hoenn and then we're right back where we started.
>anon you finally won the gym badge, now you can finally explore this new awesome area and get this new awesome item>instantly teleports you halfway across the mapIt is shit.
>>58809193>nearly all of these retarded teleports are optional>except the most annoying one, right after beating NormanMan, fuck Wally.
>>58805960>we're all pretending otherwise because of the dumb Battle Frontier memes>not because of absent Emerald content>not because of wildly reduced difficulty>not because of hamfisted Kalos features>not because of unnecessary hand holding>not because of shitty fanservice>not because of hideous art direction>not because of not because of awful OST rendition>not because of general Hoenn SOVL erasurelollmao even
>>58809174only a retard would count Scizor and Steelix as Kanto.I am just that cant count (tbf, mega Lati@s is basically the same shit form)
>>58809193the teleports are optional.The game asks you if you want to go there right now or take your time and go there by yourself.
>>58805960I loved ORAS but can still agree with the negative reaction everyone had over the BF not being presentAlso>>58806586
>>58805960ORAS sucks because it has no battle frontier, no difficulty, constant free healing, no game corner, no safari zone, and dumbed down contests. It represents the downfall of Pokemon and the start of Game Freak’s blatant laziness.Now excuse me while I go play BW2 the absolute peak of the series which has all these exact same problems along with no secret bases, no berry farming, and 12 fewer routes :)
>>58806201>>>and there wasn't enough Hoenn>Zinnia’s theme >Latios and Latias fight>Sky Pillar>Cave of Origin>Mega Rayquaza>The Primals>Lida>Giovanni >Draconids>Mega Absol Z>Mega Chimecho>Hoenn battle themes>Hoenn starter Megas You’re a fucking retard lmao
>>58810065Don’t forget Team MZ’s new member being a Gulpin
>>58808361to sell 2 copies of the same game
I really liked online secret bases and being able to battle people's teams via bots if you knew their code.
>>58810065They gave the Hoenn legendaries their own arenas and then put Volcanion in a black void
>>58806205>New MauvilleStill in but better>the phoneStill in but better>Sky PillarStill in but better>Granite CaveStill in but better>some puzzle rooms in trick houseStill in but better>Gym Leader rematchesValid complaint>Berry Blending minigamelol>Pokeblock blends actually matteringlol >Safari ZoneStill in but better>no roaming legendaryNobody actually liked these, they just have nostalgia poisoning>various ereader related content0% chance you ever did any of this legitimately anon, you learned it from YouTube>Game Corner (or something to replace it)Valid complaint, Hoenn game corner fucks>trainer improvements from emerald including more double battlesValid
>>58810169your opinion is wrong
>>58810192I don't think so
>>58805960It was the last time the Pokémon story felt like an epic with stakes. Nowadays it’s the same old family drama bullshit. Thank Arceus Legends Z-A brought back a Pokémon story where stuff actually matters.
>>58810043I'd rather have ORAS zoomers than BW/2 zoomers.
The thing about ORAS is that it always offers more new content than what content it removes (and that's including the removed Emerald exclusive content)Removed content:>Battle Frontier>Trainer Hill>Gym Leader Rematches (Match Call function)>Berry Blending minigame>Game Corner minigames>Safari Zone game>Some Emerald exclusive locations like Desert Underpass, Terra Cave, Marine Cave, Mirage Tower, Artisan's Cave, the extra room in Meteor Falls, the Safari Zone expansion, etcAdded content:>Triple Battles and Rotation Battles>Battle Institute>Mauville Battle Food Court>Inverse Battles>Battle Resort Type Specialists>Improved Pokemon League Rematches>Pokemon Amie>Pokemon Amie minigames>Super Training minigames>DexNav>Soaring >New Megas>Improved Contests>Improved Secret Bases>Delta Episode>New locations like the much bigger Mauville City, the Berry Garden behind Berry Master's house, the expanded Heatran Cave, the new Mirage Islands (there are many different ones), New Secret Base island locations, etcPeople are just nostalgic for the removed content, even tho they get more in return.
>>58806007>Fairy in Pokemon just feels weirdagreed
>>58806007>Phys/spec split in Pokemon just feels weirdagreed
ORAS, like XY, are just too easy to be enjoyable, even playing with all the handicaps. It also looks terrible, unlike XY, making it the ugliest pre-Switch game. Other than being the worst looking and easiest Pokemon game it's ok I guess.
>>58806007>its fineAnd you call yourself a hoennfag?
All ORAS needs is a hack that adds a Battle Factory mode to the Maison and then Emerald is obsolete
>>58811753>ORAS, like XY, are just too easy to be enjoyable,I wish I was this dogshit at pokemon games
>There's no cut dungeons>Ignore the fact that New Mauville is now a single room and Sky Pillar is functionally an extended cutscene with less going on than Dragonspiral TowerThat's at least as bad as what GS did to several Kanto locations (HGSS was a lot better at not doing that but even then Mt. Moon is still retarded).
>>58811801New Mauville is alright even as a single room because it's pretty spacious. And the new Sky Pillar is much better than the original, by far (also, I'm so glad they removed the bike puzzle from it, it's really hard to do successfully, especially if playing on your phone).
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>>58811829Masuda literally designed the game for you, I'm not surprised you feel that way
>>58811832You mean Ohmori
>>58811831Not cut from ORAS, just simplified.
>>58811836Ohmori isn't the one who said they didn't include the Battle Frontier because of people with smartphones. This is one of the few times I'll give him credit, even if it's by not giving him credit.>>58811840>Viridian Forest isn't cut from GSC, just simplifiedI think that might be an unfair comparison though, at least the overall flow of Viridian Forest was kept while New Mauville is reduced to borderline Scorched Slab levels of nothing (without the cool lore that backs Scorched Slab).
>>58811843>Ohmori isn't the one who said they didn't include the Battle Frontier because of people with smartphonesIs this the first time you see Masuda giving excuses? He always just says whatever, in order to protect Game Freak. Also, Ohmori directed ORAS, not Masuda.asuda was just there for PR in those interviews.
>>58811840I don't see why we have to play the word game of "uh, it wasn't cut, it was just totally gutted and reduced to a single open area" as if it constitutes an argument in favor of what GF did to New Mauville. I'm not going to change my mind, the dungeon was functionally removed from ORAS.
>>58811849>I'm not going to change my mindNeither will I
>>58811853Glad you agree ORAS removed the Battle Tower
>>58811843>Scorched SlabIt's funny that you bring Scorched Slab to the conversation, because ORAS actually expanded Scorched Slab into a full dungeon. Which is something that is never mentioned in these discussions.
>>58811857Replaced* by the Battle Maison, not "removed". Stop lying on the internet.
>>58811862Yeah, just like the Battle Frontier was "replaced" by PWT, Black Tower/White Treehollow, and Pokestar Studios in B2W2. Nice try sagefag, you can't trick me into believing ORAS didn't cut Secret Bases and Contests.
>>58811872>Yeah, just like the Battle Frontier was "replaced" by PWT, Black Tower/White Treehollow, and Pokestar Studios in B2W2Yes, exactly. I agree with this statement (you also forgot Battle Subway and Battle Institute)>sagefag?>you can't trick me into believing ORAS didn't cut Secret Bases and Contests.ORAS vastly expanded Secret Bases and Contests
ORAS is just not as good as the games it was remaking>721 Pokemon vs 386 Pokemon>Dexnav>Soaring>the first game where you can catch a mythical Pokemon (Deoxys) without an event>a well fleshed-out story with further character development than RSE+General QoL improvements from being a Gen 6 game like:>Day-night cycle>PSS>Physical-Special split>Infinite use TMsORAS may not be superior to Emerald, but they are superior to RS. In some ways they are inferior (gimped New Mauville, Granite Cave layout rearranged, Trick House only has 6 puzzles rather than 8, easier overall, etc.) but it makes up for it and exceeds it in other regards
Well since it gave us the absolute best wife in existence, it is indeed a masterpiece
>>58812150Her skirt was originally going to be shorter too according to the leakcensored by the usa, fucking faggots
>>58805960What baffles me the most about ORAS is the lack of Juan. They made many situtations where he could have played a role... and then just didn't have him there.
>>58813120Maybe he should have appeared during the Delta Episode. But anyway, at least he is mentioned in-game by Lisia.
ORAS is better than Emerald in everything, except for 2 things:>The Battle Frontier (which is very overrated)>Gym Leader Rematches
>>58812174might as well put her in a leotard at that point
