>>58809763
Artstyle: SwSh > LGPE > In Battle BDSP > LA > ZA > SV >>>>>>>>>> Out of Battle BDSP
Story: SV > BDSP > LA > ZA > LGPE >>>>>>>>>>>>> SwSh
Character Designs: SwSh > LGPE > ZA > SV > LA > BDSP
Gameplay: SV > SwSh > ZA > LA > LGPE >>>>>> BDSP (not because it's based on old but because being overleveled for 90% of the campaign without heavy interference on your side is no fun. Other games have that issue but not as bad since they were at least designed with EXP Share in mind)
Best waifu: BDSP (Dawn) > LA (Akari) > SwSh (Marnie) > SV (Iono) >LGPE (Green) > ZA (Canari)

>>58809763
I don't know what's worse. SwSh was bad, but at least it was original.
BDSP took a good game (Diamond and Pearl) and did not upgrade it in any way, feeling like it's stuck in 2006. (being stuck in the past isn't always a good thing) Even better, if they didn't want to make any upgrades, Platinum was literally right there. If you have Diamond, Pearl, or especially Platinum, there is no reason to buy BDSP unless you're a ribbon autist who needs every single ribbon.

>>58809772
I hate your waifu choices and therefore disagree with everything

>>58809763
>BDSPiss winning so far
Proud of you /vp/

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>>58809834
just voted for it!

>>58809763
PLA artstyle mogged them all, while SV has the most solid story, character design and gimmick. Swsh is dog shit in every department with the only saving grace being shiny hunting of legedary Pokemon in Dynamax Adventures. ZA is innovative on paper but poorly executed, which inevitably rendered it a boring grindslop.

My personal take:

SV>PLA>>>>>>>>>Swsh>ZA

B-tier: ZA (that's right /vp/, I enjoyed it AND I think it's the best 3D game)

D-tier: LGPE > PLA > SV

E-tier: SwSh

F-tier: BDSM

>>58810194
lol

>>58809763
Z-A > SV > Arceus > SWSH > BDSP > LGPE

>>58810194
>AND I think it's the best 3D game
she forgot about ORAS

Arceus is the only worthwhile entry.
MAYBE let's go if you really like KANTOOOOOO

>>58810255
when did /vp/ start sucking off Ohmori

>>58809763
SV and it's not even close. What a boring fucking game. BDSP are shitty remakes but at least they're remakes of actual good games so the bones of something fun are still there.

>>58809763
I hate them all equally

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BDSP>LGPE>PLA>ZA>SWSH>SV

Bad remakes of good games are still better than any original game after Gen 5. Also the best Pokémon game from the Switch isn't even on the list. Pic related

They're all varying degrees of mid but I'd probably be put SV as the best since its the closest one to having a fully fledged region without being linear in the worst like SWSH was. BDSP is absolutely the worst for brining nothing new to the table and shitting on gen 4 with an ugly style and being a broken mess at launch

>>58809763
I hate open world slop so SV

>>58810316
it's grim when the console's best Pokémon game is a remake of "here go take fictional photos of poorly rendered pocket monsters"

>>58809763
Switch 2 Z-A and SV are the best Pokémon games anyone could ever buy

>>58810384
no way, you can play slop with 40 instead of 20 FPS now

I don't trust anyone who doesn't immediately pick SV as the worst Pokémon games from any generation

>>58810388
t. Couldn’t afford a switch 2

>>58810403
I could but Nintendo doesn't deserve any money so I emulated all Switch games.

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>>58810408

>>58810408
That’s what broke people tell themselves.

>>58810432
whatever goy

>>58810384
Correct. SV is so fucking fun on Switch 2.

>>58810444
Dance for me broke boy

If BDSP doesn't win then no one here is serious.

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>>58809864
>SV
>most solid character design

>>58809763
they are all shit, it doesn't matter which turd stinks more

>>58810616
Z-A is an absolute abomination and the fact it isn't first place shows how fargone this board is now because of retarded tasteless zoomers.

>>58810316
>Pic related
I dont see pokken
>b-but its from the wii u
The wii who?

>>58810627
People are letting the disappointment of DP remakes cloud their judgement on a fundamental level BDSP is a superior game to ZA or SV which are barely functional

>>58810627
Z-A is one of the most soulful mainline Pokémon games to date.

>>58809763
SV is the worse game I've played on the Switch and the worse Open World game I've ever played

>>58810627
Z-A is the best Pokémon game since Pokemon emerald

>ZA shills out in full force
Hope those rupees are worth it

>>58810658
Sounds like you couldn’t afford it

>0 votes for PLA
Uh oh, plasschizo's gonna freak!

>>58810408
An actual NDS retard wow this board has fallen low.

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>>58809763
status report

>>58810671
>can't afford a free game
If I don't pirate it, it ain't worth pirating.

>>58811374
Nice

SV was so trash

Why was PLA the only non-controversial switch entry?

>>58811431
It's not that it's non-controversial, it's just the least hated.

>>58811431
PLA gets away with being bad because at least it tried new things

>>58811431
It's a good game unlike every other game in this poll

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>>58809763
SV and it's baffling level of success destroyed any remaining semblance of hope that the mainline series will get better. Game Freak doesn't have to try and they know it.

>>58810684
>>58811374
Looks like plassschizo finally voted

>>58811431
First game since BW2 with soul

>>58811472
>>58811537
Watching bidoof use tackle 40 times is considered good game design?

>>58811552
Not at all, but it's still the least predatory game for catching 'em all since Gen 1.

>>58810316
New Pokemon Snap was so good, why did they stop making spinoffs

>no "they're all equally shit, nuke the switch" option
false choice

>>58811431
It wasn't without its critics since many bashed the visuals and the "watch bidoof fart 5 times" tasks. I've always thought it was an overated game due to how monotomous and padded out it could be, despite being on the shorter side of campaigns. So many cuts to black and the proffesor eating potato mochi. And holy shit did the final act drag on with how you had to backtrack and get the origin ball after beating the legend the first time.
Its not a very replayable game due to those things and the scarce trainer battles

>>58811474
It's not baffling. SV is good despite its flaws.

Surprised ZA got so few votes but im assuming its just because as the latest entry most of vp probably hasn't played it yet

>>58809763
All of them.

PLA gods keep winning

>>58809763
SV is the worse

>>58810627
Z-A is only a step down from PLA mostly due to financial decisions and I prefer battles over catching. It mogs SV and SwSh and the demakes aren't even a contender.

>>58810378
Personally I prefer Rescue Team DX but New Snap is also bretty good.
>>58812479
I honestly liked ZA. It's not good but I didn't think it was ungodly terrible.

>>58812479
I don't give a fuck enough about it to vote for it but its still a very meh game

>>58812479
Most people who hate it hate it because of poorfag sour grapes. it's not that bad

>>58812876
Hard cope. Piracy is free.

>>58812882
Tell that to the retards who don't just pirate it then.

>>58812890
I pirated it and still hate it.

>>58809763
I think BDSP has it in the bag
Even the people who liked gen 4 hated the remake

>>58813027
I'm a Sinnohfag. BDSP had me questioning myself. Turns out it was Platinum that was great, DP is likely the worst 2D new gen games.

>>58809763
BDSP>SwSh>>LGPE>>>SV>>>>>LA>ZA
Scarlet&Violet are the worst pokemon games but Legends aren't even real pokemon games.

Masuda should direct a Pokémon game again and have Morimoto clean it up.

>>58809763
Legends > Remakes > Flagship

>>58813159
Platinum isn't that great either. DPPt was never great. They're sub-par games that introduced great QoL stuff that people wished were in gen 1-3. The whole leadup to HGSS was "now I want a good game to get these QoL improvements".

>>58813805
Talking out of your ass i see
Spent hundreds of hours in Plat. Never went back to HGSS but those games are very good as well

>>58813805
Platinum's better than HGSS, sorry sister.
And if all you care about is QoL shit, BDSP is better than HGSS since it doesn't have HMs and there are more viable options with the grand underground. Lol

>>58809763
Sword/Shield are the only games I couldn't even stomach to the credits.

>>58809763
At least with the other products they at least ATTEMPTED something different. BDSP copy pasted an entire game that wasn't even the definitive product. Pains me to give leg piss credit of some form.

>>58809763
>BDSP that far ahead
Really? I skipped it entirely but I figured it was just sinnoh but ugly. SwSh was so fucking shit that it's what finally made me give up on any hope of the series getting better

>>58814753
They took the vanilla version of Diamond and Pearl for some reason and chose to make a 100% faithful product even after the Hoenn remakes received huge backlash for not including Emerald features from everyone that wasn't a mouth breather.

>>58814763
It's not just vanilla DP, it's also busted under the hood in several key ways related to things like radar chaining or the shiny charm being useless for all static encounters.
Plus SPINDA. These are just some of the problems, but there are so many more.

>>58814763
100% faithful implies they remade things instead of just porting the old code, glitches and all

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>>58814763
desu bdsp look ugly as shit and they were obviously outsourced at the last minute in case people didn't like arceus. they didn't even get analog movement in the overworld right, its so fucking ass

>>58814781
No, it was remade. If it was just the same code it would've been a better product.

>>58814573
Pokemon fans has to be some of the worst videogame fandoms out there. You 100% deserve Scarlet&Violet and Z-A. You 100% deserve mainlain series to be redused to mobile slop. Just look at that >>58814763
faggot repeating same talking points he heard from his favorite youtuber.
>Legends is the best POKEMON game on Switch
Yeah, don't come back crying a yaer after Champions release.

>>58809763
>Now that mainline Pokémon on Switch 1 is concluded, it's time for you to vote which one you hated the most:
Scarlet and Violet

>>58809763
Overall rankings:
PLA > PLZA > SV >>> SwSh >> BDSP >>> LGPE

>>58814827
I'll also add, I genuinely believe anyone who thinks LGPE is better than any of the other Switch games has not played a minute of it and has only watched the gameplay on youtube. It's grindy waggle bullshit. The graphics is the only thing going for it, but even that fucking sucks because its not the standard Pokemon art style. It fucks over all of Kanto's story to give Red's moments to some self insert retard, and replaces Green with a shitty friendly rival

>>58809763
What a shit piss ass era holy fuck you zoomers have killed this franchise.

>>58814839
There's things I don't like about it, like removing the safari zone, the artstyle, the gym requirements, and replacing the rival to some faggot modern rival, but it's pretty much just babby genwun otherwise. Level design still being pretty much as it was already puts it miles ahead of most of the Ohmori era games like jesus christ, it's still somehow the only game to let you use your own pokemon as mounts, artstyle aside the graphics are nice, overworld encounters are a little awkward in the smaller spaces of gen one routes but it's nice being able to go around random encounters too
Never felt it was particularly grindy compared to other games. Maybe like SV where you spend half the game comically overleveled, but like when I play RBY or FRLG, yeah I have to battle most trainers and even sit grinding a bit towards the end. Don't even have to play with waggle either, just set it to undocked and you can use the stick

>>58814879
>don't use waggle
>get 1/3 exp
>makes grinding 3 times longer unnecessarily

>>58814879
Why do I need to play Pokemon snap to catch a fucking Pokemon anyway, its a fucking tedious task, even on the handheld mode. I don't know about you, but I prefer to catch them all, LGPE makes that task suck. There's a reason PLA took the concept and actually fixed it

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>>58809763
i already made a switch era tier list

>>58815005
>Literal anime and GO game on S
casualfaggot

>>58815009
the games where you mainly collect the monsters are the best ones. this is a monster collecting franchise, go play showdown if you want to have battle autism.

>>58815009
4chan is the only place ive ever seen people sperg out about using the arceus chronicles image instead of the regular legends arceus logo

>>58811431
It was the first game of it's kind, and appeals directly to DS era kids who frequent the internet.
It was also marketed with big open fields as a selling point, just like Zelda! Everyone is chasing after Zelda...

>>58809763
BDSP is quite literally unplayable on the Switch 2. I don't think we need a voting to state the obvious.

Lets go is by far the worst thing ever in this universe
Even worse than hitler or rape

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>>58815005
I fixed your list for you.

Imagine if someone have a Switch only, never played a Pokemon game and decide which game to play according to your list. All you idiots recommending Arceus denying those people experience that made you love pokemon in the first place.
>they should just play Emerald/Platinum on emulator.
This thread is called Pokémon on Switch, not Pokémon on emulator.

>>58815295
>Imagine if someone have a Switch only
>and decide which game to play
>denying those people experience that made you love pokemon
fuck off ESL. bdsp isnt even better than the vanilla ds versions

>>58815295
Pokemon Red and Blue were the games that made me fall in love with Pokemon. Having Let's Go at the top would make sense, even with your retarded logic.
>buh whah abou da arseeuz! if u liek gen 4 u shuld put bdsp dar nat arseeuz!
Gen 4 blows chunks, and the only good Sinnoh game is Legends Arceus.

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the sonic 06 of pokemon

>>58815326
Bait or retarded call it

>>58815005
>>58815295
I seriously believe anyone putting SV at the bottom has brain damage and shouldn't be able to have an opinion.

>>58814814
SV and ZA are good tho

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>>58815469
cope lil bro. Scarlet and Violet are two of the worst Pokémon games that have been made. Including vague lore to get autists speculating, like it's dark souls, doesn't make your boring, lifeless, climbslop, open-world game good.

>>58815478
>SV and ZA are good
lmao

>>58815496
Why are you laughing, it's true
27 million copies sold
Sold more than gen 1 in Japan
Ranked 15th in top 100 beloved games in Japan

It's good

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>>58815556
youre doing the thing from the image again

>>58815494
Why would you play 200 hours in a game that's "one of the worst games in the franchise"? Scarlet and violet are my favorite games in the franchise and I only have 60 hours in them. This just looks like a whipped nostalgiacuck crying because the new games don't appeal to him anymore

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>>58815638
>bragging about only having 60 hours of playtime
fuck off tourist.

>>58815649
>he played the worst generation for 3x more than the best one since Gen 5
You deserve more slop like SwSh then, your opinions are so garbage that you don't deserve a seat at the table to discuss these topics.
My Gen 8 play time is heavily padded by Dynamax Adventure hunting and that's one of the worst ways to hunt.

>>58815649
kek what a fucking subhuman. no wonder you were shilling plass

>>58815660
>gen 9 is the best gen since 5
no its not, explain why or fuck off back to twitter, tourist.

>>58815676
>um do you have a source? One with a study? A peer-reviewed study?
You don't need reasons for things you can simply intuit.

>>58815744
>gen 9 is the best generation since gen 5! what do you mean explain myself?! i-it just is okay!!
i accept your concession

>>58815565
>you are wrong because... my epic meme image says so
Lol
Facts don't care about your feelings sweetie
Go back btw

All I can say is I'm glad Gen 9 is over, I'll take my chances on Gen 10, that's how bad the Gen was

>>58815775
>losing the argument so bad you have to reply to an older post
i already accepted your concession, you dont have to keep conceding

>>58815790
>weeeehh everyone who attacks me is the same meanie!
Shut the fuck up retard

>>58811474
SV is worth remembering. Can't exactly say the same with vanilla SMTV

>>58809763
I would have voted BDSP but the ZA DLC managed to bring down the whole game for me. I don't know how GF managed to release a DLC that made the game even worse.

>>58811474
It's _____fun_____

>>58816143
You can't even explain why it's bad without condemning other modern generations of Pokemon.
SV was easily the best since Gen5, from quality of life, to speed that battles occur, to the world not being hallways. In fact the only thing worse is breeding.
Everything that came before feels archaic.

>empty towns/cities
>shops are just a menu
>overworld looks and feels like the PS2
>finding rare Pokemon consists of flying over and over again to reload the screen
>worse “story” than SwSh, if that was even possible
>entire game atmosphere reeks of an abandoned PS3 demo
>requires a $500 console, unlike the latest Pokemon game
Why does SV have so much critical praise? People LOOOOOOVE these “games”.

>>58816177
SV sucks because the intended objective order is all over the place, and there is no sort of hint as to where you should go next. If you do even a single objective out of order, you are guaranteed to be overleveled for the rest of the game thanks to the mandatory exp share.

>>58816274
>there's no hint as to where you should go next
Do your parents have to hold your hand to go to the bathroom?
This has been a staple of so many games, highly praised ones mind you, for the last 15 years. Your problem actually stems from a lack of level scaling, which is also an uncommon feature since games like Oblivion botched it. Should it have had scaling? Sure, but it didn't really need it. Most people who have played rpgs in their lives can discern where they want to go.
Go to the bathroom anon, you're shitting yourself.

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>>58816210
>>worse “story” than SwSh
ONE DAY

>>58809763
My vote goes to SV holy fucking shit does it have the worse Open World ever created and the shitty mounts don't help

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>>58816274
>there is no sort of hint as to where you should go next
you might be retarded, dude

>>58815346
This picture defines Gen 9

>>58816309
>if you play Pokemon SV as intended, you’re Indian
What’s going on with the “Scarlet/Violet is good” movement? Is Game Freak paying people to post here? Game Freak WANTS you to go out of order, yet punishes you for doing so. You like that?

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The “Game Freak does nothing wrong” movement says this is good game design because it obviously and clearly tells you which gym is the first.

>>58816352
>punishes
How is GF punishing anon?
Have you been a bad boy?
>>58816364
>anon only understands hallways with window dressing

>>58816364
how fuckin stupid do you have to be to get lost in a pokemon game?

>>58809763
How is SV not winning this?

>>58816375
Some of us actually played it instead of parroting outdated, bad faith arguments.

>>58816375
Turns out SV were actually pretty good, by sales and legacy reception. You can remain mad about it or accept that gen 6-8 3DS-style Pokemon is dead and buried.

>>58816377
But I did play it you fucking retard. It's literal garbage.

>>58816380
>accept that gen 6-8 3DS-style Pokemon is dead and buried.
Good and I hope it stays that way but that doesn't make SV good.

>>58816375
SS and BDSP are just that bad. Every other title is borderline experimental but that gives some leeway. SV is a bad open world game, but has some highlights. SS and BDSP are bad JRPGs in spite of Pokemon games being exactly that for ages and base DP being less bad than BDSP despite DP being one of the worst Pokeon games.

>>58816385
Well they're not going back to corridors anon, we've seen Gen 10's map.
Are you going to get lost and blame GF for what's clearly a player skill issue?

>>58816396
No, but I will complain that playing the game like an open world game is really awful with the linear leveling system and the general desire for most people to make a team of 6 Pokemon. The main numbered Xenoblade titles solved this back in the very first title on the Wii (and even then still fucked up by having quests make you overleveled), I dunno why Game Freak hasn't gotten with the program. That's like saying DK64 or XY Lumiose's dogshit camera system with zero motion easing is a skill issue, it's just bad and the player shouldn't have to deal with it.

>>58816375
because DPPt sucks ass

>>58809763
>LGPE
Passable games that only exist because there weren't any Pokemon Switch games yet. I liked the pokemon being true to size and the orchestral arrangements. Hated the Go catch mechanics.

>SWSH
Got overly hated because of Gamefreak being shit but the games weren't that bad. A definite step up from the awful Alola games.

>BDSP
Bad, due mostly to laziness and lack of passion. Being 2D, it had the opportunity to fill them up with features and story differences, but it was instead a boring copy/paste, with none of the Platinum enhancements (the only reason people look back on Sinnoh fondly). Liked the underground though.

>PLA
Nearly perfect games. A true gem among the shit Gamefreak had put out, and made people think Gamefreak had finally gotten how to make a good Pokemon game after more than a decade of shit.

>SV
Mixed bag. Ran awful, change in artstyle was awful, and despite being made open world, the game's gyms, titans, and star bases didn't scale to progress. Characters were good, and the Area Zero section of the game was spectacular. DLC was also good. Finally, like PLA, it gave the impression that Gamefreak was finally going in the right direction.

>ZA
MAJOR step back. Everything good that had been done was ruined or removed. Unlike SV and PLA, the plot was hijacked by an NPC you play second fiddle to. The characters, despite being somewhat interesting, ultimately made no sense and had no purpose. Perfect example is the guy running an organization that blackmails people with impossible to pay loans so that these people can do random chores for people and protect the city.
Gameplay is repetitive as fuck, made 10 times worse by the DLC, and the pacing is awful. One second you're stuck in a slog of a tutorial and the second you don't even notice the game let's you do what you want.
The Wild Areas are awful, boring, and (again) repetitive.

Best game was PLA. Worst, BDSP.

>>58816380
Fucking kek, SV are dogshit release around games yay are somehow shittier

>>58816380
This board shills SV, bring it up literally anywhere else and it rightfully gets shit on.

>>58816373
So SV is linear? Should we correct everyone in here who claims that it’s non-linear and has you doing things out of order?

>>58816418
Oh really, where else do you discuss Pokemon anon?

>>58816415
>dung throwing empty tech demo its n64 tier graphics devoid of any content
>near perfect
PLA niggers are truly delusional.

>>58816422
It's not linear, tackle the tasks as you can/want. This is not really any different than Witcher 3 in terms of world-leveling philosophy.
Is this the first rpg you've ever played?

>>58816364
kek this retard is mad because he’s dogshit at pokemon games and got steamrolled by a gym leader because there weren’t npcs holding his hand and telling him where to go like unova

>>58816431
You need to hash out your disagreements with >>58816441. Is SV linear or not? Because most RPGs for the past 40 years have been linear. Very few let you do objectives in any order. Witcher 3 is not Pokemon (nor is it an RPG).

>>58816450
Stop being dogshit at games even toddlers can beat and maybe you’ll be less mad.

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>>58816450
>Witcher 3 is not an rpg
Oh I see, I'm talking to a drooling fucking retard.

>>58816455
You need to reconcile your differences with >>58816460, since Witcher 3 and its style of gameplay is not for toddlers despite being the inspiration for Pokemon.

>>58816469
>posts that agree
>”Y-YOU’RE DISAGREEING!!”
>[game] is easy
>”W-WELL THEN [different game] MUST ALSO BE EASY!!!”
Ah, so you’re just a schizo. Makes sense now.

>>58816472
>if you think SV is non-linear, you have schizophrenia
All of Game Freak needs to be sent to a sanitarium.

>>58816210
>>finding rare Pokemon consists of flying over and over again to reload the screen
Oh and that's worse than running in circles in a patch of grass and watching a 5 second animation every time something pops up?
>worse “story” than SwSh
Why are you lying?

>>58815494
>Including vague lore to get autists speculating
So bad, it's some of the worst lore I've ever seen. Anything intriguing fell completely flat.

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>>58816348
This shit is literally all over the place.
>bro just zigzag across the entire region and hope everything is going to line up

>>58809834
I locked in with LGPE because at least with BDSP it had the most interesting single player Battle Tower in the series and which is why I am optimistic that ILCA was a good pick for Champions if Champions is going to have some singleplayer aspects. BDSP was going to be a close second and I genuinely cannot see why people pick LGPE over any other iteration of Kanto with the exception of maybe they actually played GO and had some Pokemon to transfer in. Otherwise it's a miserable experience that Fr/Lg beats out.

>>58816648
>DADDY GF PLS HOLD MY HAND SO I DON'T SHIT AND PISS
Just do it in the order you can, this shouldn't be a foreign concept to you.

>>58816648
Pokemon Centers literally tell you where to go lil bro

>>58816653
I did do it in my own order, I was overleveled for the entire game after Mela and it wasn't very fun. I needed to box my whole party at one point and use random box shitters because of it.

>>58816664
Oh you had to complete the pokedex in a Pokemon game? That's crazy man.

>>58816667
Hi yawnie.

>>58816648
this is the IQ of the person you’re talking to when they say gen 5 is the peak of the series btw

>>58816664
>I needed to box my whole party at one point and use random box shitters because of it.
Okay, and?

>>58816375
There's not a single better game than SV on the Switch as far as Pokemon goes

>>58816670
And it's boring. The game would have been more engaging if enemies scaled upward to match my power level.

>>58816676
>The game would have been more engaging if all the difficulty was removed and levels became meaningless

>>58809772
pretty much the same opinion
bdsp should've been a proper remake with swsh's celshaded and outlined artstyle and changes that actually mattered like character designs

>>58816680
How does making the enemies stronger make the game easier?

>>58816375
Japan likes SV. There must be something about it.

>>58816324
From top to bottom:
>Broken game that literally doesn't work on the Switch 2, crashes often, riddled with unpatched issues, has all of the issues of DP and more
>The most lazy games in the series by Ohmori's own admission in his notes, compared to the initially proposed product it is an abysmally boring product
>KANTO OOO for the third time except it has Pokemon GO mechanics for the normies and watered down everything, it's only worthwhile point being the visual rework it gave the region
>Broken game at launch, poorly polished, salvaged by the Switch 2's boosted performance which now makes it rather enjoyable and unique as far as Pokemon goes
>Gameplay alone is a good reason to try it, unique battle system, new megas, mission progression system and more
>A unique revisit to Sinnoh, would make even those that have not played DPPt feel nostalgic

>>58816676
Why is it boring? It can't be boring if you control the difficulty yourself by changing your team every now and then to not overlevel.
Scaling would just make the game even easier because then it'll be impossible to NOT be overleveled. The game is supposed to be beatable by toddlers.

>>58816690
why do you care when you clearly never played it

objectively correct take
visual style: swsh > lgpe > lza > la = sv >>>>> dogshit >>>>> bdshitpiss
gameplay: sv = lza > la > swsh = bdsp > lgpe
go back to celshaded outlined look, make it look like pokemon again, and make the gameplay a combination of sv and lza

>>58816636
This

>>58816636
If they were garbage, they wouldn't sell.

>>58814839
lgpe gets dickrided endlessly by nostalgiafaggots, aka the worst "people" in any fandom
same bullshit as bdsp, but i guess it at least looks way better than bdsp and has some charming moments like partner mon interactions and ride mon interactions

>>58816704
fuck you bro, i was there day one and bought the pack with the two games, and was there in the last days when i went for two codes to get both koraidon and miraidon shinnies, those games fucking sucks!

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>>58816719
Yep Yep totally agree

>>58816725
Sarcasm!

>>58816725
Glad you agree + we don't post our selfies here.

>>58816722
Replied to the wrong post? Also post your teams bro

>>58816725
Lmao

>>58810716
It isn't derangement to want to avoid giving Nintendo money, just like it isn't derangement to want to avoid giving money to Sony, Microsoft, EA, Ubisoft, etc. None of these companies deserve your money.

>>58816648
This is perfectly linear (as long as you follow this particular map only and no others). It’s JUST like every other Pokemon game.

>>58816653
Wait, what’s going on with the SV defense force? Doesn’t this game hold your hand too? It’s JUST like all other Pokemon games, right?

>>58816872
It's really not. The region isn't designed to be played linearly.

>>58816375
I thought SV was ok on my first playthrough. It was kind of terrible to replay for the DLC but at least there was that. The DLC itself is also nice. The glitches people post were largely limited to co-op multiplayer, which most people probably will never do especially as the game ages
On the other hand I tried to beat SwSh twice, in the same save file even, but never did. It's liquid shit from an ass no matter how you look at it

>>58816895
That's the issue, it's a non-linear region that invites you to explore one of 3 stories, each of which are designed in the traditional linear fashion, and conclude in a linear fashion. Your bike upgrades are linear, and the level curve is linear.

I like that you have the option to take on later battles. Having the option is awesome. But let's be real, that's the "intended" routing.

SV teases the player with the promise of a non-linear adventure, of finding their own treasure, but it's a bog standard linear story plopped down into an open world map. Even if you want to explore, your movement upgrades are locked behind linear quests. Your ability to explore freely is a reward for completing a linear story.

>>58816914
Yup, that's my issue with it.

>>58816872
>Doesn’t this game hold your hand too?
Not past the tutorial, no
That's why it's good

>>58816872
>Doesn’t this game hold your hand too?
Yes. Even if the game lets you roam after the tutorial, the lack of progression scaling and repetitive nature of cutscenes no matter which order you take the story on makes it an illusion. The dumbing down of battles outside of Blueberry League teams also gives a sense that Game Freak is coddling players yet again.

>>58817052
>lack of progression scaling
You don't understand what handholding means. Any form of scaling is literally a form of handholding.
>Ooohhh poor little baby doesn't know where to go next? Don't worry, we'll take care of it! Nothing will be too hard! :)
>repetitive nature of cutscenes
What?

>>58810640
>>58810653
>>58812712
You people can't be real. It's a complete downgrade in every terms, from crafting to interactivity with the world with map design, and PLA already was nothing more than mid.
I won't even get started on the story and characters, Z-A is unfinished and it shows in its plots.

>>58811374
SwSH worse than ScaVio is insane to me. That game wasn't even finished ffs

>>58817110
What? SV is far more finished than SwSh
SwSh doesn't even have a fucking story, the entire region is literally a hallway and it has blatantly unfinished parts like Spikemuth
SV has a proper plot with progression and an appropriate climax that feels like a logical conclusion of the story
It also has a properly executed open world and not whatever the fuck they tried to do in SwSh

>>58817110
Agreed, SwSh was unfinished. Explains the lack of postgame and horrible story/campaign. SV had 3 concurrent storylines, a postgame, and more to do than just have the same story about a "darkest day calamity" vomited at us between every town.
Not sure why you find that crazy though.

>>58817110
The switch 2 releasing has revised history and means if SV ran like shit when you played it you are just a heckin detractor who played it on an emulator and are trying to slander the Pokémon brand with your anti woke anti Nintendo grifters

>>58817238
I played through SV the first time in April 25. The game played fine except for that fucking lake.

>>58817237
>SV had 3 concurrent storylines, a postgame, and more to do than just have the same story about a "darkest day calamity" vomited at us between every town.
>having 3 bad story lines is better than 1
>post game is literally just beating all the gym leaders again, which you also did in swsh
Can you actually explain whats better or are you just going to pretend no one who played SV played SwSh?
>the entire region is literally a hallway and it has blatantly unfinished parts like Spikemuth
As opposed to SV which was a blatantly unfinished open world with nothing to do after you went to all the way points (which are exclusively story related) on the map

>>58817242
I wish I didn't sell my switch 1 when I bought my switch 2 in October because I replayed through SV in August and had multiple clips saved of the game running like shit, not loading and being buggy. Your anecdotal revisionism means nothing to someone who had the same experiences 3 years apart

>>58817274
>conveniently lost his evidence
Lol

>>58817316
>>conveniently lost his evidence
yeah, thats what happens when you sell your consoles. are you retarded?

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>the game running like shit is just a fakement of your imagination
your finished pokemon game, sir.

>>58817344
No, that's what happens when you save clips to your system rather than SD. That's what happens when you're broke and have to sell your old console to afford a new one, rather than do a system transfer and sell it at a more convenient time. That's what happens when you're a fucking retard

>>58817478
i did a system transfer retard. I sold it because there's no point in owning a hacked Switch, a V2 Switch, a Switch Lite, and a Switch 2. Then again, based on your phrasing and hoarder mentality, my bet would be you're a poorfag larping as a person of wealth.

>>58817425
this game is so ugly lol

>>58817425
>using emulated footage to shit on the game
gen 9 haters are never beating the allegations

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>>58816692
>salvaged by the Switch 2's boosted performance which now makes it rather enjoyable and unique as far as Pokemon goes
The Switch 2 killed the only enjoyable part of that digital feces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mbv4b7yLgE

>>58817708
This was debunked as an emulator clip. Another gen 9 hate grifter that never played the game has exposed themselv

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>>58817723
>every clip i dont like is emulation
buddy....

>>58817264
>having 3 bad story lines
The only bad one is Team Star

>>58818288
The only good storyline is the path of legends. Victory Road literally has no plot, and Starfall Street is just, "Ooooh, I'm just too heckin' embarrassed to talk to my friends; please stop them." Neither Nemona nor Penny belonged in Area Zero with you, nor is there any reason for Carmine to be jealous of them being your friends in the post-DLC questline where you get the pink mythical that doodoos in peoples food

>>58818342
>The only good storyline is the path of legends.
So there's at least 1 good storyline and you lied
>Victory Road literally has no plot
In that case it also can't be a bad story line then so you lied again
Also you could argue it's about Nemona learning that she should stop holding back all the time for other people's sake
>and Starfall Street is just, "Ooooh, I'm just too heckin' embarrassed to talk to my friends; please stop them."
Literally not what happened
>Neither Nemona nor Penny belonged in Area Zero with you,
You need their help to achieve your goal, also they're your friends and friends help each other
>nor is there any reason for Carmine to be jealous of them being your friends in the post-DLC questline
That doesn't even happen, wtf are you talking about?
>where you get the pink mythical that doodoos in peoples food
Not what it does

You seem very poorly informed and clearly didn't even play the game, why do you think you are able to judge how it compares to SwSh? You only have inaccurate approximate knowledge

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>>58818456
>they're your friends and friends help each other
No, they're not. The game does nothing to establish why you would be their friend. Avery's entire questline is bonding with him; Nemona is just an annoying person who shows up every couple of towns to battle, and even if you choose all the "wrong" dialogue, she still does mental gymnastics to be your "friend." Penny is literally just parasocialism because the real character you bond with over her questline is Clive.
>That doesn't even happen, wtf are you talking about?
OH FUCK IT WAS HER KEK BROTHER? HAHAHAHA THATS EVEN MORE PATHETIC
>Not what it does
thats literally what Pecharunt does. they literally show him shitting out the mind control food

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>>58817723
Yep emulator

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>>58809763
Let's Go Pikachu is really the 3rd worst? I was considering buying it used :(

>>58818493
why is giratina in scarlet and violet?

>>58818493
HOLY KEK

>>58818491
>The game does nothing to establish why you would be their friend.
Nigga you literally shake hands with Nemona, you're obviously friends even you could interpret it more as just humouring her, but she likes you and that's why she helps you in A0
And Penny said she owes you one for helping her, simple as
>Avery
Lol, retard
>the real character you bond with over her questline is Clive
LMAO, you're joking, right? No anon, you don't become friends with the 70 year old mans LARP persona
>OH FUCK IT WAS HER KEK BROTHER? HAHAHAHA THATS EVEN MORE PATHETIC
Anon what the fuck are you talking about, stop writing fanfics
Nothing like this happens at all
>shitting out
Stop inserting your scat fetish into this, it's mochi not shit

>>58818529
>No anon, you don't become friends with the 70 year old mans LARP persona
IT WAS REAL TO ME GOD DFFAMN IT

Trying to hash out finer details of a game someone hates will never change their mind. That's why I said earlier that you can simply intuit that SV was a substantial improvement over the other Switch and 3DS titles.
You don't have to prove it to them, debates are slop.

>>58818529
>>58818572
going "nuh uh" isnt an argument

>>58818574
There is no argument. There is no debate.
The dogma is correct, SV were much better games than the absolute slop you enjoyed. I don't have to prove it to you, that's the point.

>>58818572
I don't wanna change anyone's mind I want to point out blatant lies
>>58818574
I didn't do that but ok
Sorry I exposed your obviously uninformed "opinions"

>>58818580
buh-buh itss.. SLOPP!!11
>>58818581
NUH UH

I keep seeing this thread getting bumped to the top. I have no idea what you ladies are fighting about but I promise you it's not that serious

>>58818581
You aren't going to be able to change a retard's mind, anon.
"Pointing out lies" is a fruitless endeavor and no one else is going to read the walls of text thrown back at one another. Don't cast your pearls before swine and don't roll in the mud with them.

>>58818585
gen wars are extremely serious saar

>>58818587
Again, I don't want to change anyone's mind, I just wanted to show that he was blatantly lying about something he didn't know much about which makes his "opinion" completely invalid
Retards need to exposed and shouldn't get away with their retardation, simple as

>>58818598
opinions cant be invalid retard, thats why we call them opinions and not facts

>>58818600
Opinions based on lies and fanfics aren't opinions

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>>58818606
thats literally the definition of an opinion

>>58809763
I can say this definitively with Pokemon: DS > GBA > 3DS > GB(C) >= Switch

3D truly screwed over GameFreak.

>>58811431
People are also forgetting that there was BDSP to away any major flak, and SV on the horizon the year it released, so people knew they weren't stuck with an experimental title.

>>58818618
thenwhy are people acting like legends za killed their mama if everyone knows gen 10 + champions is coming out later this year?

>>58818623
Champions is just official Smogon Showdown that's playable on phones, Wind/Waves is still weeks from being announced or teased, (compared to S/V being teased a month after Arceus in the same year), and Legends ZA is not only something already done, but a step back in being limited to one modern day city while adding on a $30 DLC.

>>58818608
Forming an opinion based on something that isn't true is retarded no matter how you spin it
It's like you looked at shitty toddler drawings of cars and then concluded that all real cars are bad
That may be your opinion but it's retarded and meaningless

>>58818611
>3D truly screwed over GameFreak
Then why are XY and ORAS better than BW and BW2?

>>58818694
They're a step down from Gen V, but at least they're not outright pieces of unredeemable shit like the Alola games, those games are truly the very bottom of the franchise. Sorry, yawnfaggot, that's just how things are.

>>58818611
Pretty close.
DS > GBA > GB >= 3DS > Switch

>>58818866
>They're a step down from Gen V,
And you won’t actually explain how because you don’t have an argument.

>>58817229
SV shipped with a broken competitive mode, filled with bugs. Glaseado Mountain is the worst area in the game, there is no design.
The dlc is a travesty, the whole people being mind controlled into being chickens was one of the lowest points in the game.
Graphical bugs all over the place./

>>58819141
>SV shipped with a broken competitive mode, filled with bugs.
?
>Glaseado Mountain is the worst area in the game, there is no design.
It's decently designed, it has a couple of specifically designed path a couple different things to find on each side of the mountain
I think Aseado Desert is worse
>The dlc is a travesty, the whole people being mind controlled into being chickens was one of the lowest points in the game.
That's not the DLC, that was a post-DLC bonus story
>Graphical bugs all over the place.
Such as? The game looking bad isn't a "graphical bug"

>Let's Go
Didn't buy because I wasn't interested in another KANTOOOOOO game, especially with the downgrade to GO gameplay.

>Sword/Shield
Easily worst gen, like actually embarrassingly bad. Pokemon designs are hit or miss, characters are bland and easily the worst plot. Region is a slog to go through. Dynamaxing is the dumbest gimmick

>BD/SP
Didn't buy cause jesus have you looked at it? Looks like shit. Literally no redeeming qualities.

>Legend Arceus
Easily the best game here. Felt like an actual step forward in the series gameplay. I understand that the lesser focus on battling puts some people off, but I think this game is the single best pokemon game in conveying the experience of exploring the world, encountering pokemon and catching them.

> Scarlet/Violet
Huge mixed bag. There's elements here that would make it one of the best in the series, combined with elements that would make it one of the worst in the series. Lots of new pokemon, but a whole bunch of them are real stinkers. Some of the best writing in the series, but the game is held together with string and falls to pieces by merely turning your camera. I think open world does suit the pokemon formula, and I liked being able to choose whichever plot mission I wanted to do at any given time. But god is this game ugly to look at. I still really enjoyed it, but with huge caveats that are hard to ignore.

>Legends ZA
Setting the whole game in Lumiose is shit. Conceptually it could've worked if there were distinct neighborhoods or explorable buildings etc, but it's just samey buildings everywhere. Catching is a lot worse now without the tools from Arceus, but battling is actually pretty rad. Ideally in the next one they combine Arceus and ZA and we have the best of both worlds, but they won't and it'll be some weird other thing that sucks.

>>58818938
Look who's talking.
Three bullets.

>>58819591
>seething instead of posting anything of substance
Good job proving him right lmao

>>58818493
SV is so bad lol

>>58819644
yeah its easily the worst

>>58809763
Should have excluded BDSM since that is a given to be the worst

>>58809763
I am going to buy BDSP now

>>58820937
And yet...

Plass and zass

>>58809763
Sword and Shield started dexit and ruined a good chunk of my love for the franchise, so those two.

>>58818493
Jesus Christ this game is a dumpster fire

>>58821769
was*

>>58821780
This

>>58809763
Objectively it should be SV, but nothing beats the dissapointment of playing BDSP and truly realizing what a soulless game looks like.

SV

>>58809763
BDSP's only legacy is save data bonuses for other better games and making the wiki pages for DPPt characters have those shitty BDSP renders instead.
Looker and Charon not being in the games saved them from this horrid fate.

ive never played a pokemon game in my life and i just recently got a switch, can someone tell me what should i try. i think about areceus or za? i care about pure gameplay challenge and fun or maybe i should emulate idk but those 2 seem cool
can i have a cute gardevoir

>>58821811
What other games do you like?

>>58821797
>BDSP's only legacy is save data bonuses for other better games
And save data bonuses from other games. The only reason I dusted off the game and beat it was Shiny Arceus.

>>58821797
>and making the wiki pages for DPPt characters have those shitty BDSP renders instead
The overworld locations too, haven't even played BDSP and I hate it off looks alone

desu I'm fine with everything as long as the game isnt boring and has some challenges that force me to think about my strategy shit like that. i like action stuff but im fine with rpgs with lots of numbers. and i don't really like boring ass empty open worlds

>>58821819
>>58821839

>>58821839
>and i don't really like boring ass empty open worlds
Avoid SV then

BDSP is almost exactly the same game as DP, other than its looks. To be so mad about that game when scat and vomit exist blows my mind.

>>58821867
its ugly and souless

>>58821855
but still arceus or za?

>>58821875
both

>>58821875
sv is an open ugly untextured latinx ps1 game
pla is ugly and empty hubs
za is one single city
honestly every game on the switch is dogshit

>>58821877
fuck which first

>>58821885
the canonical order is PLA first and then PLZA

Reject Switch, return to GBA!

>>58821867
It's actually busted under the hood in several ways that the originals weren't.
They're awful remakes.

>>58821887
eh I mean gameplay wise which is more fun. are they just some spin offs with their own storyline? cuz it's not like I would care if I have to play the previous 9999 games to understand it
>>58821882
maybe you can recommend something to emulate

>>58821915
ZA has more variety gameplay wise.

>>58821867
And DPPt was dogshit too, so I don’t see how that makes SV worse.

>>58821915
They're self contained.
Play whichever you want, PLA can slog towards the middle. LZA didn't have this as badly.
Basically PLA is focused on catching pokemon while LZA is focused on battling.

>>58821915
Play PLA

>>58821911
Because you can duplicate Pokemon and items or walk through walls by abusing the menus or saving? These are soulful and based, and also patched out.
>>58821920
>SV is better than DPPt
Sure bro
>>58821873
Yes, it’s ugly, but they put a lot of effort into adding challenge to the post game, they added a nostalgic pal park esque mini game, and it’s so similar to the original it becomes soulful.

>>58821633
Dexit started in Ruby and Sapphire.

>>58821924
I thought ZA was way more of a slog. It's repeating the same basic loop 15 or 16 times before getting interrupted after every action in the late game. But I didn't find the battle system very engaging.

>>58821939
>added challenge to the post game
nigger, they added some smogon rematches at the cost of a worse battle tower (removed multi battles), and 4 less battle facilities if you count the frontier. it's removed challenge, especially since you're dealing with the dogshit affection mechanics the entire time
>pal park mini game
its just generic legendary catchathon that's been the postgame of everything since oras, and it came at the cost of being able to collect decorations customize your underground base lol. bdsp are soulless as fuck

>>58821939
I don't think you actually played BDSP enough or knew enough to appreciate how bad they are.
The spot a #1 Switch Pokemon title isn't an accident.

>>58821951
I agree, ZA's battle system is shallow and as a result the number of battles required is fatiguing. That said I dropped playing LA right before the Avalugg battle for several years before completing it.

>>58821965
I found the catching and exploration in that game to be novel. Using a basic pokeball for everything made positioning and baiting matter. Being unable to complete the dex in ZA solo left a sour taste in my mouth as well.
That said, I wouldn't replay either game.

>>58821977
I logged a lot of time before dropping LA, of the two Legends games it's the one I prefer.
I replayed it again to beat Arceus on a second profile to shiny hunt in BDSP.

>>58818938
I'm one of the few that actually thought Gen VI wasn't THAT bad, but they were definitely a step down.
The difficulty was mind-numbing due to the game not being balanced around the new exp share system, and the lack of postgame made them inferior.

Things only got way worse in Gen VII, like I said before.