I get that Nintendo fans, specially pokemon fans, have a cult like worship of the brand and company, but the games just keep getting worse and worse, at what point will the collective finally put their foot down? I haven’t even bought the last few generations, I’m just watching to see how bad it’ll get.It’s the only fanbase I know of that gets upset when you tell them they deserve better games.
>>58818804If they didn't stood up for Swsh, the generation where the selling point got in half with an excuse or two that turned out to be bullshit then never.
>>58818804Never. Expecting otherwise is futile.
>>58818804>but the games just keep getting worse and worse,worse and worse howyou would think if the games were actually getting worse the sales would be declining instead of continuously breaking records
>>58818815>sales = qualityAvatar is the best movie of all time then
>>58818804we did, it was the sheep and normies that bought these en masse
>>58818807>gamefreak gets caught telling outright lies>in response to this Pokemon fans went to social media to start the hashtag thankyougamefreak unironically to defend the corporation People are weird
>>58818816>showing her age this badlyAvatar was a cultural experience, which is why it still tops capeshit et al to this day. Sorry you were too young to watch 3D movies back then, I guess.
>>58818816Avatar shouldn't even be compared to pokemon its objectively a high quality product using state of the art technology its closer to GTA while pokemon is more like the Minecraft movie, cheap with no artistic merit but still makes a gorillon off of its name alone
>>58818887Point falls apart when you compared it to GTA. GTA is a ferrari in the looks department but a ford ka in the engine dept. They spend more on marketing and graphics than building the meat of the game but it's alright. Faggots like you will dickride it and explain why it's GOOD to pay $100 for 6, while getting content other, far cheaper, far less visually impressive games make far more engaging. Gonna be hilarious when it launches buggy and kinda broken and the series on hiatus for so fucking long.
>>58818816>sales = qualityIt’s a better indicator of quality than a few schizos online throwing a tantrum on a review website, yes.You also didn’t actually answer my question, btw.
>>58818821What were the outright lies?
>>58818804It was supposed to be Gen 8 but you bought it so Game Freak has no reason to try ever again.You were told of this, you were warned of this, and you bought it anyway.This franchise is only good for memes and porn.
>>58818915>Gonna be hilarious when it launches buggy and kinda brokenBut enough about winds and waves
>>58818929Probably the "better animations" comment, but that's ignoring they DID improve animations, just not the ones faggots expected (walking anims and shit got improved and a few pokés got updated or flat-out new anims on top). I'm guessing because Game Freak chase a 7's/mild fantasy violence for the paired releases, they took umbrage with the esoteric attack animation concessions GF made.
I did my part with Pokemon Sun being the last title I paid for. Gen 7 has the excuse for having great marketing. They barely tried with Gen 8's, and still sold millions.
>>58818943Anon, no trip A title and certainly none that launched after a hiatus period launched completely flawless. And with day one patches, internet connectivity and fucking DLC offerings (sometimes day one), NO cunt worries about their game shipping fucked any more. Majority of Game Freak's target market do not get to play their copy until winter holiday gift giving season and they drop patches to fix actual broken shit ASAP (and did as far back as 3DS days), the entirety of GTA6's audience WILL be affected day-one. Unlike with Switch however, there'll be no povvo option to play WW, thus no incompatible emulated footage passed off as "switch 1 footage", keeping the waters clearer.
>>58818960Other than legends arceus I havent bothered buying or even playing anything since ORAS. If they put out slop I'll just stick with fan games and other mon likes like digimon and palworld
>>58818960IT ALL COMES TOGETHERSeriously what did they mean by this?
>>58818987I remember when plot leaks implied it was basically end of Evangelion but for pokemon
>>58818947>Probably the "better animations" comment, but that's ignoring they DID improve animations, just not the ones faggots expectedIf a company says this but comparisons before the release date float around of copypasting movement and animation from the 3ds entry then it's just bullcrap.
>>58818993>>58818987>they imply that one area will be a Jurassic pokemon park >in USUM it becomes pikachu parkI’ll never not be mad
>>58818815Gamefreak could literally shit in a box, put Pikachus face on it and people would buy it up in droves.Lets also take into account the worlds population is growing. People have more access to games. Games are more mainstream.
>>58818947the reason for the dex cut was because they were going to give mons new models which did not happen
>>58819011>Gamefreak could literally shit in a box, put Pikachus face on it and people would buy it up in drovesThen why do the spin-offs always flop?
>>58819013But it did happen. All the Switch games have new models.
>>58819021>lies for the corporationHow much is GF paying you? Or do you do it for free?
>>58819026>lies for the BBND schizo cultHow much are the redditors paying you? Or do you do it for free?
>>58818994That's how they do things you dumb shit. You didn't say anything about Gen 3 being just Gen 2 with more colours, but guess what? Game Freak used the processes of 2 to make 3, right down to graphical outlay because the overhaul of the engine was too pressing to bother adapting the game (they re-used RG's engine to make GS, remember?). They also got spoiled with Gen 4, having to delay it a year, thus having an extra year to buff it up, resulting in it looking so much better than Gen 5. Gen 6 they had to start fresh and Gen 7 looked better because they'd taken what they'd done and iterated on it? See where this is going? They used Gen 7's shit to build 8, while they adapted to what they could do with Switch and Gen 9 was as a result of those lessons. You're in luck, Gen 10 seems to be an overhaul, taking Switch knowledge base, but doing its own thing, instead of just porting 9's shit to it and prettying it up.You're also obstinately ignoring compared to what they'd done before, it WAS all-ends-up better than what they'd been able to present on past handhelds they were constrained by. You need to realise and understand when they talk about shit like that, it's in regards to what THEY specifically were able to do or not do and not as part of the great vapid dev dick waving competition that is the gwaffix warz.
>>58819001Remember all those empty lots in all those towns in SM? And the only that became a gym was just a Vermillion ripoff?
>>58819013The reason for the dexcut was because they were struggling to add even an extra 80 to Gen 7 and had in fact planned to enact it then, before delaying it until the jump to a grown up system in 2019. I'm sorry you still believe 3D models to be akin to PNG files, but point-of-fact is a 3D model is in fact a model that exists in three dimensions in the game engine's world and not a flat image that can be foldered and drawn from when battle commences. And because of that, it becomes exponentially more difficult to add them, make the game AND get it done to meet their deadlines, to get focused on the next release. They don't serve you, they don't chase your ilk and never did (Tajiri actively told sperg playtesters like you they weren't making the game challenging or difficult for teens and young adults, this was it eat it or fuck off). There's plenty other vapid game series that look pretty as fuck with mid gamer respect perfect for you. Away you go, find something and love it like you want to.
>>58818987>Seriously what did they mean by this?The Rainbow Rocket crossover with returning characters was meant for SM, but not finished in time.There was also a "Battle Cruise" where you would travel and fight other Region's characters, but in the final game we only got the Battle Tree.It was planned to be a larger anniversary game, basically.
>>58819021This is straight up a lie. There are dozens of comparisons between SM and SwSh models proving they were the same..
>>58819056This is the part where you start backpedaling like a retard by trying to change the definition of what models are.
>>58819029>You didn't say anything about Gen 3 being just Gen 2 with more coloursbecause it's not
>>58818804Pokémon fans will eat up anything that's shat out in front of them because they're too retarded to know what's best for them and they'll chimp out if you try to tell them to practice self-control. They see it as a personal attack against them if you tell them that they deserve to have better quality games
>>58819075No, it is. I understand nostalgiatardness allows you to selectively remember how it was, but I don't have that affliction, Pokémon's far younger than me (but still older than you, kek).
>>58819078Anon, no matter HOW many times you stomp your feet, Game Freak are not going to fundamentally change how they develop the games and for what audience demographic. The meme of "better quality" falls flat when you consider their audience, just as you in your single-digit years, do not give a fuck for manchildren's estimation of "quality". You're not going to change a fundamental constant of human society to the point you get your kiddy game series back, please stop trying. Put that vehement energy into bettering yourself, if you MUST see change.
>>58819070>Posts a texture comparisonAre you retard perhaps?
>>58819112>Y-YOU CAN'T CLAIM THESE TWO PIZZAS ARE DIFFERENT BY POINTING OUT THAT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHEESE
>>58818804>At what point will Pokemon fans stand up for themselves?modern normies can't even stand up for themselves on threat of actual death, lmao
>>58818815They're not getting worse. The only bad Switch games were SwSh. The Switch era as a whole is better than the DS and 3DS eras.
>>58819110I'm not asking them to target a different demographic or make the games hyper-realistic. I just want them to stop being so fucking lazy and doing the bare minimum by removing features like they've been doing since gen 8. Put a little more effort into the stylized graphics instead of just slapping on jpeg windows and calling it a day. The fact that people like you seem to think that these requests are me "stomping" my feet and quality as fundamentally changing the games just goes to show that you're the type who'll eat up anything they hand you
>>58819148Well, yeah they are because it doesn't bother the vast majority of the world. Only spergy shitbags who crave validation on the internet think they're anywhere near as important as game engine, game experience story, fun factor. Go play 4k games, shit that worries abut inconsequential details because playing it at 4000 pixels highlights the flaws. But stop acting like hyper-specific graphical shit MUST be implemented, when you were a retard child, who ate the dinosaur slop up gladly and piss yourself in glee talking about your childhood experiences. You prove the theorem "it doesn't fucking matter", because you didn't give a shit about it until you grew up then realised it was just a kiddyshit series intent on being so. It doesn't bother me, the premise always outstripped the presentation (SV was the first game to match the mental image I'd gotten about the world from Red. Take THAT as you want).
>>58819148>removing featuresGF has been doing this since Gen 3 because they want each generation to have its own identity and feel rather than just being made obsolescent by the next game.>muh lazinessOk look this is going to sound like a cop out, but intentional visual jankiness is kind of a meme or trope in Japanese media. It's a running gag that directors like Eiji Tsuburaya would play on the audience going back to the old tokusatsu movies from the 1960's to which Pokemon itself is a huge callback. They would make certain sets, miniatures, or special effects look unconvincing as a joke, even though they were capable of making them look better. I think the first movie they did this was King Kong vs Godzilla from 1962, which was one of the first monster movies that was supposed to be satirical and lulzy instead of played straight.
>>58818804They made SV the highest selling games there's no shame anymore
>>58818804They won't, players keeps buying and playing this slop and/or pokémon go, makes me sick to be honest, last games I played were USUM and maybe you can count SwSh but that one was SO bad I quit the game after becoming champ and never went back. I feel bad for Shinnohbabies because they got the WORST remakes so far, ORAS was also kinda bad but at least it had SOME redeeming features.
>>58819130This is bait
>>58819269>the last game i played was a shameless cashgrab rehash but I'll complain about people buying wholly-new game titles
Do people here actually like SV? Seems like an ironic thing.
>>58819588Do people here actually like Ruby and Sapphire? Seems like an ironic thing
>n-no u!Nu fans can’t think of anything original
>>58819617Ironic, considering your whining about people enjoying the new games is rehashed from genwunners bitching the kiddy game series moved on to new regions, while they stayed endlessly fixated on Pokémania nostalgia.Zoomies can;'t be original either, afterbirths by definition come after the initial outbreak population and they already spent their angsty late teens crying the series didn't digimon and go full tits'n'guns already before you were even conceived to be born, grow up, find pokémon, enjoy it, grow older, grow out of its remits and get bitter about doing so to cry about it on the internet. You lost, start handling it better (this is why being involved with sports as a kid is character building, teaches you how to handle winning and losing emotionally).
When Japan stop consooming merchandise
Japan is the reason they are incompetent garbage,they are losing against china and koran now lmao
>>58818804>at what point will the collective finally put their foot down?They didn’t do it with Dexcut back in 2019 despite almost everyone online throwing a shit-fit about it so never.
>>58819070>switch removes shadows from 3DS textures because the Switch can actually do dynamic shadowingAre you seriously retarded
>>58819606Ruby/Sapphire was trash
>>58819799>the models are different to account for thisGlad you agree.
>>58819070holy cope. How does cock taste, anon?
>>58819056Don't bother, he's unironically of the belief that changing a texture counts as creating an entire new model, an entirely new set of animations and having to rigorously re-test every facet of that model and its assigned programming to ensure all is in working order.Even if it's something as simple as changing a single pixel on the texturemap file.
>>58818815This is the type of post that would say minimum wage pays more but doesn’t understand inflation, cost of living, and productivity.
>>58819181> validation on the internet think they're anywhere near as important as game engine, game experience story, fun factorPokeshit’s game engine is a buggy mess. The expensive is bland. The story is shit, and there is no fun factor
>>58820094>>58819011This cope doesn't work when gen 5 sold less than the gen before it, lil bro
>>58820102>”I don’t understand the 2008 financial crisis” the postlol
>>58820100Yes, I know you're 16 and mad it hasn't gone full tits'n'guns for you. Fuck off and play digimon that DOES do that shit for hormonal emotional teenage boys.
>>58820109That should have affected Platinum's sales. What actually harmed BW's sales was the 3DS launching a month before BW in the US and the US market being THAT fucking retarded, they didn't understand the game was made and launched BEFORE 3DS saw any market, leading to a loss of 2m sales as the braindead fuckers forgot they could just play the DS game on the system centred around the Dual Screen ethos they'd been wallet-raped to buy..
>>58818811SPBP
>>58818804wdym? I just stood up from my chair, myself
>>58819130Unironically agree with this.DS onwards is when the series started stagnating like crazy, but most zoomers on this board were too young to know that. DPPt was not a meaningful jump from RSE, which was a gen that was already falling into a lull. The expectation at the time was 3D with fully animated battle scenes, somewhat akin to Stadium, and yet it wasnt. BW was closer to what it DPPt "should" have been, but coming at the ass end of the consoles lifespan it pinned Gamefreak into being the developer that was perpetually behind the times. Gameplay quality and improvements also came at a sluggish pace. This trend continued going into SwSh. Switch generation actually changed shit up. Stumbled a lot in doing so, but PLA, SV, PLZA, have all pushed the series forward far and away more than the DS or 3DS generations did. Biggest fuck up was SwSh, which was effectively just SM/USUM but less.
>>58819110>and for what audience demographic>IT'S FOR KIDS SO IT HAS TO BE BAD!
Never seen such a pathetic group of people only whine about basic capitalism when it’s literally some game you don’t have to buy.Just leave, retards. You’ve been doing this for over a decade and you keep getting mogged by the people who actually like the games. Despite what you dipshits think, you’re the only one looking retarded because you’re a sperg for something completely opt-in…like a video game. Tackle the fucking housing crisis instead of a children’s video game.
>>58821774>>58819110the fact that people would rather redirect their anger towards things that are actual impossible to change and excusing it as "OH its meant for kids so it bads whatever" IS such a pathetic excuse to why they must DEFEND their trashy game while everyone else has to deal with it, it's almost on the same level as forcing someone to deal with retard who actively being annoying instead of actually telling that person to stop because they have autism. why is it so hard for people for anything to actually acknowledge the criticism and actually want them to change instead of making excuses for them, like dude you don't work for them there's no reason to obsessively defend them
>>58822294That’s your problem you pathetic mongrel. YOU think it’s bad and you keep getting mogged by literal parents and children. Sick and tired of you weenies trying to simply what you’re doing as criticism. You’re miserable and pathetic and you keep coming back because you think Pokemon is all you have.>While everyone has to deal with it This is the most pathetic shit I’ve ever read. YOU, my 30 year old balding man, don’t have to deal with any shitty video game. YOU are the autistic one. YOU are being told to shut the everloving fuck up. YOU can’t even make a video game.Just. Leave. You’re fucking 30 and throwing a fit because a video game is not to your liking. Not all video games are for you. And you’re old enough to know that bad video games are literal nothing burgers and have existed since videos games have, so what are you foaming at the mouth about?
Gotta give it to the malding fatso apologist in the thread.Just vote with your wallets. And if you are already not buying, then start playing other games that suit you better. It's useless to get mad at GF. I did too, until I actually stopped paying for the pokemon games and started playing other games I'd call better.
>>58823226The problem is the shitheads "voting with their wallets" and refraining from buying cannot accept, nor handle the fact the world does not wholeheartedly and wholesale support their movement and subscribe to their ideals, leading to retarded little shuitheads like OP having a crash-out because despite manchild downvotes on a global media downvote site, the games still continue to sell. Autistic bastards can't just accept a word where their demands are not met2. Which is why they continue to try and convince the internet to just stop enjoying thing they no longer like.
>>58819011>Gamefreak could literally shit in a box, put Pikachus face on it and people would buy it up in droves.They did. That shit was called Scarlet and Violet.
>>58823226Yeah retard, just vote with your wallet and stop getting mad when you get outvoted. Vote in a place where you can win. Except you all couldn’t even do that with BW which was apparently the best game somehow. I’d legitimately rather be an “apologist” that actually likes the thing I spend time on than a fucking sperg constantly thinking about shit I hate but seem to be unable to move on from. You all are the incels of gaming.
>>58818804They wont. Ever.It doesn't even matter if everyone with an IQ above 80 just up and left because the franchise is propped up entirely by merchandising and all the normalfags that spend $1000/mo just buying more shit.>the games are there to advertise and showcase new Pokemon>the anime is there to show off those Pokemon in animated form (and help teach people how to pronounce them right)>both are there to get people interested in new Pokemon>if either flop, it doesn't matter>regional gimmicks are there to drive sales of a new toy line, like glittery crown shit for gen 9 and Z-rings for gen 7>merch is so big that half the time they make something new, it's some gimmick shit like making a series of plushies that are colored all-black like a silhouette, or making full-size clones of waifumons, as well as all the regional gimmick shit, turning Pokemon into sleeping bag-sack things, making 10 variants of each Pokemon in different poses with different expressions, etc.It'd take an act of god to stop normalfags, they're too deep into this shit, the only times a Pokemon game underperforms is if Pikachu isn't in it, or somehow the game wasn't advertised well enough to let the normies know it exists (LGPE).It's like with Disney Star Wars, people HAD to watch all three because the human race unanimously watches Star Wars, and not watching the trilogy is just incomprehensible.
>>58819588yes it is one of my all time faves. been playing since RBY too
>>58823942Ok grandpa, you're being senile. Go back to bed.
>>58823900>It's like with DisneyPokémon does have a lot of parallels with Disney, doesn't it? If you've been following Disney in recent years, you'd know they're in the worst state they've ever been in and people have had enough. Is what Disney has done also what it'll take for Pokémon to fall?
>>58823069been whole day so this man can come up with the biggest cope of the century and why tf do you specify 30? and how does that negate everything I've said? you are the one holding onto series as a grown adult and ignoring all the criticism while shelling out $60-$80 or $110 if it involves the card packs to a company who only ever sees green in you and anybody just like youwhile everyone has to suffer the whims of the declining quality of a series, they find comfort in while you're out in /vp/ trying to make excuses for a company that wouldn't give a flying shit about you're defending just like how you brought the housing crisis into the mix when that's more impossible to change than getting Pokémon to actually improve their quality
>>58818804i liked it tho
>>58818815By attach rate the sales are declining. Every other Nintendo series saw sales numbers triple or more in the jump from Wii U/3DS to Switch. Pokemon flatlined. The sales of XY + ORAS equal SM + USUM equal SwSh equal SV. And it's not market saturation because all of the other series saw increased sales. In 2014 people said about Star Wars what people are saying about Pokemon now>it's too big to fail>people will buy it anywaysBut that good will eventually does run out. It might not be Gen 10. It might not be Gen 11, but eventually the sales will crater and trust, once broken, is very hard to earn back. See Star Wars.
>>58824027Biggest problem with mainline Disney (and Pixar, and sometimes Dreamworks) is that they've lost their "Disney Magic", they just don't know how to make something timeless anymore, everything's either:>"combating" a social issue that's often out of date / disproven by the time the movie actually comes out>some self-fellating autobiography/vent movie about the director's life or something specifically important to them, like Elemental almost literally just being the Korean director pissed at her grandma for wanting her to marry a Korean man (so she had her grandma's death in the movie and played off as a joke while the movie's plot is literally just her not-Korean self-insert falling in love with a not-black dude)>a sequel to an older movie, but designed to "fix" it of any ""issues"" it had, like how SW7 was just an exact clone (haha) of 4 but with a diverse cast and a hilariously overpowered female lead because feminism or something>remaking old movies to make them more "correct" (coughArielcough)-or other shit, I'm already making this post too long, you get the idea.As for what would hurt Pokemon...?>releasing a mainline gen that's missing both Pikachu and Charizard, not patching them in, and not including them in a DLC. Maybe go full Pokemon BW?>going full-ham on suing everyone, not just Palworld. I'm talking a full glassing of all monster catching games that even remotely play anything like Pokemon, even down to shit like ARK, Monster Sanctuary, and TemTem>Japan finally snapping and deporting all the Indians currently flooding into the country, thus labeling Nintendo as megaracist and anything Japan-related is literally Nazi Germany>TPC/Nintendo getting into AI openly and not just in concept phases>a TPC/Nintendo leak where it turns out half the staff openly shit on other races, mostly black/brown races>tremendously cutting the NatDex in all the mainline games from now on>making mainline Pokemon games 100x harder or 100x easier/simplerIDFK
>>58824056>n-no, you don't understand, the increase in sales is actually BAD because more systemsDS was the highest selling console Nintendoi EVER released prior to Switch. Gen 4's attach rate was FAR poorer than SV's (per the numbers, SV/SS have a 19% attach rate from 154.01m console sales, DP only achieved an 11% attach rate to 154.02m console sales).The only thing getting worse is manchildren spacking out online, because their kiddy toy fucked off on them and casuals and kids are fucking everywhere buying it happily.
>>58819011GF is Apple?
>>58823900I have never watched any star wars other than the third episode.
>>5882306930 year old balding man here. Pokémon was my comfort in a miserable society. But I can't find comfort in it anymore when the people behind it have always greater dollar signs in their eyes.Is it wrong to be sad and angry about losing one's comfort? YOU help them take away my comfort and then YOU help them beat me who is already suffering on the ground. You could just shut up and be satisfied with the first evil you did.
>>5882444830 year old not-balding man here. Your comment makes the false assumption that anything's been "taken" from you in the first place.The only thing thats changed is you've become sad, and hyper critical to the point of excluding your own enjoyment. The games are right there, fully capable of being played and enjoyed. I too have criticisms of them, but I'm not so jaded and worn that I can't simultaneously criticize the parts I dislike while enjoying the parts I do. What makes this worse, is you view any opposing viewpoint as "evil", which inherently otherizes and entrenches your own miserable worldview. The truth of the matter is, the one who enjoys something is the winner, as theyre walking away with a positive experience, no matter how many times you try and tell them theyre "eating shit" or whatever trendy insult. Recognize this, and you too can have fun
>>58824056This. Gen 5 was a flop because the attach rate was somehow drastically worse than Gen 3 despite other Nintendo franchises like Mario Kart seeing an increase.
>>58823396You're entitled to have your taste anon.
>>58824478Oh, I can have fun alright. It's just hard when you have a conscience.The whole deal of our miserable society is that everything is atomized. Self-interest is worshipped and put above the interests of others. Pokémon, like the housing crisis, would be solved if people started to think more about the common well-being.Least one can do is to just shut up.
