>THIS is what the 4kids burgers were too afraid to translate
based mewtotal cl*ne death
>>58821760Fibby bippy
>>58821563i hate 4kids so much
Most kids media in burgerland has a clear divide between good and evil. They were afraid that kids would take Mew's line at face value and think that's the "good guy" stance.
>>58821563Burgers didn't want moral ambiguity in their children's movie, so 4kids rewrote Mew to be heroic instead of an embodiment of nature.It's almost like the whole point of the conflict was that both natural and unnatural have their flaws, and nurture is required to bring out the best in both, hence why Ash sacrificing himself moved both sides of the conflict.
>>588220784kids did nothing wrong. Their job as the localizers was to get things past the American television network censors, not arbitrarily remove stuff. You have to understand that streaming wasn't a thing back then. There was only cable and network television. You had to either catch dubs on TV, buy dubbed video tapes from your local shartmart, or buy imported/subbed videos from your local weeb store. We couldn't just go online and get same-day English fansubs for what was currently airing in Japan until maybe like 2006 or 2007. Also, some of the Japanese studios specifically requested a lot of the Asian language and cultural elements be removed, because they thought it would hurt reception in Western markets due to kids not understanding. Without 4kids, anime wouldn't be nearly as popular in the West today as it is now.
>>58822239Massive cope that doesn't even address why would they have to censor all the shit they changed nor would really shift the blame, it would still be amerikeks' fault.
>>58822239You're right and perhaps i was too harsh here >>58822078, they are the ones that actually did the job, but all the japanese companies that gave them the ok are also to blame, they didn't care about the work itself, they just wanted it to be aired in the most popular tv channels. The saw the shows as an animated commercials to sell toys and shit
>>58822264>doesn't even address why would they have to censor all the shit they changedI just told you it was American TV networks and the Jap studios. The networks made them remove anything not G-rated and the Japs made them remove most of the Asian stuff. 4kids would have no incentive to arbitrarily remove shit and create more work for themselves lmao
>>58822287You have to remember it was the 90's when the opinion Americans had of Japan in general was not as good as it is now. In the case of OP pic, it was one American executive at Warner Bros. who demanded 4kids change a whole bunch of unnecessary stuff because he thought the Pokemon Movie of all things wouldn't be popular without a script rewrite and a bunch of American pop songs replacing the OST.
>>58822291>I just told you americans and japanese exist... that explains why they had to censor "you clones won't beat the originals!" or change generic teenager "I didn't ask to be born!" angst to "I will rule the world and kill everyone who tries to stop me!", it's too asian and too mature!And once again, even in your head where this makes sense you are still saying burgers are censorcucks whose children can't handle stuff other children digest just fine
>>58822239>Also, some of the Japanese studios specifically requested a lot of the Asian language and cultural elements be removed, because they thought it would hurt reception in Western markets due to kids not understanding.The executive animation director for the early anime has confirmed on Twitter that it was 4Kids that requested the anime stop featuring Japanese writing. In general, it was very very rare for Japanese studios to make specific requests beyond maybe "we won't let you license it unless you arrange for it to air on TV" in the case of merch-heavy shows.
4kids quality really just depended on the series. They had a great dub for Pokemon. Their Yu-Gi-Oh dub got worse as time went on but Konami specifically wanted them to make the show because of their success on Pokemon. Not 4kids fault Studio Gallup decided to make the later series' darker. One Piece was famously forced onto them during a negotiation for something else, with Toei/Shueisha believing they would make it huge (like Pokemon and YGO).The biggest sin 4kids committed was licensing series that required butchering to censor like Shaman King, and their refusal to release uncut, subtitled DVDs.>>58822335He wasn't talking about Pokemon in that post, but even if 4kids hadn't asked for it, eventually The Pokemon Company would have had it removed.
ot but i have to share this, spoilers for Yugioh Zexal: One of the main characters actually dies after losing a duel on the moon, in the dub his father says something like "im sending a space ambulance don't worry!" and they cut the scene where he dies, and i still think that's the dumbest shit they ever did
>>58822344>4kids quality really just depended on the series.This is true.Pokémon > early Yugioh > their other dubs = Pokémon Chronicles
>>58821563He? Mew is a male in this movie?
>>58822325See >>58822304 there was some bigwig at WB who forced a big overhaul of the movie to suit his tastes. This is why the first movie dub was noticeably a hackjob compared to the TV series and later movies.
>>58822592>see how it is indeed burgers' fault and not any actually nuanced or understandable problem
>>58822325>you are still saying burgers are censorcucks whose children can't handle stuff other children digest just fineCompared to Japan yes. There are different taboos in each country in regards to what is considered appropriate for kids.>>58822602You blamed 4kids when it was actually WB's doing.
>>58822622>You blamed 4kidsLiterally never happened, I blame burgers for being retarded, and you prove me right.
>>58822347He won that duel actually. But winning a children's card game couldn't prevent him from dying.
>>58822239So why didn't that apply non-American dubs? Are American kids just more retarded?
>>58822740>kids>implying
>>58822740The kids don't decide what gets shown on TV. Back then it was boomer moralfags and jews like Harvey Weinstein who decided what kind of slop got beamed into kids' brains.
I have to imagine that foreign media faced much harsher scrutiny than domestic media, especially in the wake of 9/11. You couldn't have any references to the word bomb in anime, everything got changed to blast. Even as late as 2010/2011, the Genki-dama, which had been localized as Spirit Bomb for over a decade, had its name changed to Spirit Blast in the daytime TV English dub of Dragon Ball Kai. This was nearly a decade after 9/11 and they STILL couldn't say bomb to children.I think it becomes easy to compare what we had as kids to what was coming out a decade later. We heard bomb on TV all the time. Mr. Popo was black. Even if we couldn't totally remember the dialogue, we remembered the feeling of it hitting so much harder. So it created this impression that the more time passed, the stricter things became. But it was a combination of things. Dubs for children's properties from when we were kids were far from accurate, and they infamously would cut out entire episodes, this wasn't just a 4Kids thing. Localization was all over the place, entire musical scores were replaced, scenes were completely rewritten, and the dialogue played fast and loose. Later dubs (especially comparable ones like Dragon Ball Z/Kai) were likely more faithful on a line to line basis, the music was even retained, but lacked any of the punch the old dubs or even the Japanese version had, so you couldn't help but see them as watered down and worse. Pokémon as an anime would tone itself down considerably and get blander all on its own regardless of dub.
>>58822078I stopped watching the dub by 5Ds, In didn't even know 4Kids had the rights for that long
>>58822740American localizers are historically just smug nerds that were bullied at school so this treatment of "the commoners are just too retarded to understand this high writing so we just give them dumbed down rewrites that are on their low level of intellect" is their roundabout way of getting back at the cool kids.These are the types of retard keep in mind that randomly fucks you over then goes "you know what you did" over some non-issue half a decade ago they sworn a vendetta in their heads about it you are unfortunate enough to have one as a family member.
>>58822962They don't actually respect foreign media and are only localizing it because it's either a spite project, or it's their underpaid job they're stuck with, and then said underpayment makes them do a shit job because the suits don't care as long as they get a report that they changed X amount of things to meet the "this makes shareholders happy" quota.
>>58822984Their smug elitism says otherwise.
>>58823036They're smug because they're "correcting" the media to suit their sensibilities, as if they're not just enlightening the single-language plebeians, but elevating the "problematic overseas media" out of the "dated stereotypes and tropes" to now match to their "tasteful standards".It's where shit dubs that talk about hamfisted SJW topics come from, when most the time the original never said anything even remotely like that.
>>58823044The commie infiltrator on a mission to destroy culture and the smug malicious nerd that got bullied for a reason are two different types of cancer eating at the same thing.
>>58822855I don't think GX or 5Ds dub did the final season(s?) so you'd be missing out anyway.
>>58823203GX is even funnier because despite how 4kids usually is, they ended the show on the "holy shit, the main character's gone and might be dead" cliffhanger because they couldn't be assed to do the clip show episode that ACTUALLY caps off the season and reveals Jaden/Judai lived.
>>58822456Just bad subs done by some retard that doesn't know Pokemon are "it".
>>58823453>Pokemon are "it".But not always. There's exception cases, usually coming from professionals who can conduct proper examination, or trainers who've formed a very close bond with their Pokemon, and we see these exception cases in pretty much all media that isn't licensed third-party content (which is what those guidelines you're likely referring to are intended for, the main branches of the Pokemon brand have no such trouble referring to Pokemon by male/female terminology when they feel it's fitting to do so).The instance here with Mew is definitely wrong though.
>>58822239What's there not to understand? That's a graveyard where People are laid to rest, every kid atleast above the age of six knows what that is. All this is encouraging is bigger censorship and go fuck yourself for cocksucking dubfaggotry which reduced the IQ.
>>58823485None of that actually was saying that we NEED more censorship. It was placing the blame squarely at the FCC first and foremost for the televised stuff, and at big wigs who wanted to make their own mark on the product when it came to the movies.Neither of these are advocating for censorship-and nothing in that post suggests he advocates for the things he points out as very clearly wrong.
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