noooo i hate bbq and hyperspace grinding nooo
heh bring back bf doe :))

>>58828941
Exactly. This fandom sucks.

>Masuda: "We've made ORAS into DEEP games that can also answer to the needs of those who want to experience RICH GAMEPLAY, and not just games to be picked up when you want to pass a bit of time."
Because HGSS has objectively more content than any Pokémon game besides BW2, meanwhile i don't see how ORAS is deeper than average

>>58828929
None of the shit you said matters. The teraleak showed that BF was never in the cards for ORAS because there's was literally no way they could fit that into a 3DS game with a year of development time. Masuda just said that shit for PR and to hide the fact the game was rushed.

>>58828929
obvious bait OP is obvious

>>58828956
>. The teraleak showed that BF was never in the cards for ORAS because there's was literally no way they could fit that into a 3DS game with a year of development time
What exactly did the Teraleak say regarding that?

>>58828956
Wait, did the Teraleak say something about ORAS? I must have missed it. What exactly did it say about ORAS and the lack of a Battle Frontier?

>>58828929
i will agree battle frontier is overrated but the fact that it's just a 1:1 copy of the last game's facility is really lame
also i like when the battle facilities have weird gimmicks like the factory, the homogenization of postgame battle facilities is really what i find more egregious than the lack of specifically the frontier

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>>58828951
>besides BW2,
You couldn't help yourself, huh?

>>58828978
>>58828972
>Battle Chateau and trainer rematches exist. Cut it.
That's what I remember though I could be wrong.

>>58828995
>>Battle Chateau
Do you mean Battle Maison? The Battle Chateau is a facility exclusive to XY.

>>58828956
>that into a 3DS game with a year of development time. Masuda just said that shit for PR and to hide the fact the game was rushed.
ORAS wasn't rushed in my opinion. Unless the Devs admit that ORAS was rushed in the Teraleak? But I doubt that.

>>58828956
>The teraleak showed [FANFIC]
every time

>>58829019
Even DP was rushed, but i don't think they'll ever admit it

>>58829005
Possibly. It's been long enough that my memory might not be reliable.

This is obviously a bait thread but all the Battle Facilities in ORAS are just copy-pasted from XY, not just mechanically but even thematically.

>>58828929
>"We've made ORAS into DEEP games that can also answer to the needs of those who want to experience RICH GAMEPLAY, and not just games to be picked up when you want to pass a bit of time."
Then why didn't they fix the completely fucked AI in the Battle Maison? Like, not only did XY introduce FEAR which is an easy thing to miss, but neither Battle Maison fixed the True Ant problem which became clear as far back as B2W2. It removes all depth and turns the only repeatable content with any depth or variety into mash A easy dogshit. If I wanted to mash A I'd play Delta Episode, at least it gives me a Deoxys.
>>58828956
>there's was literally no way they could fit that into a 3DS game with a year of development time
It worked fine for Platinum and B2W2, I dunno what the fuck you're on about. This isn't SM where the development was completely fucked (despite us not having a leak we know they were making the island trials during the debugging phase which is not fucking normal) and even USUM added a shitty Battle Factory in spite of that.

>>58829060
>It worked fine for [romhack of finished game] and [romhack of finished game that didn't include the BF]
What did chronotriggertard mean by this?

>>58829060
>It worked fine for Platinum and B2W2
>even USUM added a shitty Battle Factory
Notice how these are all third versions so most of the game is already done

>>58829077
BW2 still has its own unique Battle Facilities, ORAS just gives you the same as XY.

>>58828988
i should be saying that to you

>>58829091
and ORAS just copies the tower clone from XY

>>58829104
that ORAS just copies the tower clone from XY

>>58829033
>The teraleak showed [FANFIC]
I wish. Where's that hot springs date with Zinnia?

>>58829067
>>58829073
Yeah, and this is a remake of an existing game in an existing engine that even re-uses a ton of assets from the game it's based on including a bunch of character models and art. FRLG had entirely new assets, the Trainer Tower, and a ton of extra maps. The much later released BDSP even had a Battle Tower which no other Switch title had and completely reworked the underground, and that game is total ass. Yeah, ORAS dramatically improved on the connectivity features, but that's half dead (which is a better place than XY's completely dead).
>>58829077
It functionally had one, between PWT's various formats, Pokestar Studios, and Black Tower/White Treehollow. It's got slightly less variety than the Platinum one by like one facility depending on how you count shit like the Download tournaments (Rental is just Battle Factory and is different enough from the regular ones that it's meaningfully different), but one was lost from Emerald to Platinum if you don't count the removal of the war crime that is the Battle Palace and also don't count the Trainer Tower because it's extremely similar to the much better Battle Pyramid.
>>58829091
>Basically Battle Pyramid
>Basically Battle Sims
>Basically Battle Factory
>A facility that makes you build a variety of teams
Seems about on par, what about the difficulty don't you like? Is it a True Ant thing? If so, I get it, dominant strategies suck, it's why the Battle Maison is complete ass. At least PWT Rentals and Pokestar Studios are unaffected, alongside every PWT Type Expert tournament aside from Bug and Steel. I especially like the puzzle solving elements of Pokestar Studios, that's something I'd like to see more often. Black Tower/White Treehollow's navigation and resource management is quite good as well, even if True Ant can greatly hamper the reason for the resource management by being too fucking good.

>>58829044
>all the Battle Facilities in ORAS are just copy-pasted from XY, not just mechanically but even thematically
So, just like the HGSS Battle Frontier facilities were copy-pasted from Platinum?

>>58829132
and HGSS is also shit

BW2
>Unique location for each legendary
>Actual sequel
>Each trainer class has an animated Sprite
>Each gym has a different variation of the gym theme

ORAS
>Made in one year
>Easy as XY
>Made Joe Merrick Canon
>Stole a Minecraft map and Ranger 3 without noticing

>>58829159
>ORAS
>>Made in one year
What's wrong with making ORAS in one year? ORAS was made by a staff of around 100 people. BW2 was probably made by 50-60 people for a longer period of time, so it evens out.

>>58829135
>So still more effort than a romhack of a finished game. Glad we agree.
It's literally as much of a romhack as FRLG, and again they went out of their way to add more than ORAS did.
>No it didn't.
What's the functional difference between them? Is it the fact that they're not all on a single map named the Battle Frontier? If so, that's understandable, but the number and variety of battle facilities is quite similar. They're of a quite similar quality as well, give or take a True Ant glitch or Gen 4's exceedingly slow multiplayer.
>No it doesn't.
If you could elaborate on the problems, I'd love to hear it. After all, having a navigational challenge like Battle Pyramid/Trainer Tower, a puzzle solving challenge like Battle Sims, a rental format like Battle Factory, and a fairly unique team building challenge seems like the makings of a Battle Frontier to me. If you want to include the Download tournaments which is trivial to access on anything aside from a base DS, you can even throw in an equivalent Japanese Pokemon Stadium 2's Nintendo Cups as well, which is probably the most challenging thing you can get out of the relatively ass AI of Pokemon games by virtue of being good Pokemon with big number. Seriously, are you trying to tell me that's worse than the Battle Maison, where a fungus' electrical pulses set to press A could almost certainly get every medal, probably get most of the statues, and probably get a high enough streak to get a Starf Berry in a few different formats?

>>58829178
>What's wrong with making ORAS in one year?
Nothing, it only becomes bad if that's the actual reason it didn't have BF

>>58829185
I think one year of development is pretty standard for a Pokemon remake?

Also, I really doubt that the Battle Frontier would've been included either way.

>>58829212
You can check TCRF to get a timeline of prototypes to get an idea how long these things usually take.

>>58828929
I’ve never played any of the frontiers or whatever. What’s the difference between Emerald’s, Plat/HGSS, and B2W2’s postgames?

>>58829179
>It's literally as much of a romhack as FRLG
The game that also doesn't have a BF? Are you retarded by any chance?
>and again they went out of their way to add more than ORAS did
No they didn't.
>What's the functional difference between them?
What's the functional similarity between them?
>They're of a quite similar quality as well
No they aren't.
>If you could elaborate on the problems, I'd love to hear it
If you could elaborate on how it's not dogshit, I'd love to hear it. After all, having no streaks seems like the making of content that's drastically worse than a Battle Frontier to me.

>>58829267
>The game that also doesn't have a BF? Are you retarded by any chance?
No, I mentioned the stuff that it did add though
>No they didn't.
So you're saying seven entire areas consisting of on average a town, a route, and a dungeon is more than the dozen single rooms ORAS added?
>What's the functional similarity between them?
I listed them in the post you linked, if you want me to elaborate on any of them I can, although I listed the equivalent pretty obviously so if you've got a good understanding of the content you should be able to figure it out.
>If you could elaborate on how it's not dogshit, I'd love to hear it.
I thought I did a pretty good job of it in my post you linked but if you have any specific criticism I'd love to hear it.
>After all, having no streaks seems like the making of content that's drastically worse than a Battle Frontier to me.
PWT has the same type of streak system as the international Crystal Battle Tower. Black Tower/White Treehollow have a hugely variable streak system. And if you want the streak system, the Battle Subway still has the Gen 3/4 version where you have to do 7 in a row, before Gen 6/7 casualized it so that and you can quit whenever you want. Hell, I'd argue that the streak system is the least important part of making things difficult, if the Battle Maison is any indication given how much worse it is than the Battle Tree or the Battle Agency when it's working properly (it barely did and functionally doesn't anymore), putting the Battle Maison almost on par with an occasionally worse than the absolutely awful Battle Tower in SS and the equally braindead international Crystal Level 10 Battle Tower (at least the latter doesn't constantly lag).

>>58829239
emerald only has a battle frontier
platinum has a battle frontier and some other stuff
bw2 only has some other stuff. but there's a lot of some other stuff. it's kind of ridiculous how much some other stuff there is.
ignore the shitposter

>>58828929
>Masuda: "We've made ORAS into DEEP games that can also answer to the needs of those who want to experience RICH GAMEPLAY, and not just games to be picked up when you want to pass a bit of time."
Because that part just isn't true. He's literally lying.

>>58829822
>Because that part just isn't true. He's literally lying.
What Masuda said is true tho. ORAS has a shitton of content that people ignore just because the overrated Meme Frontier isn't in the game.
>Battle Maison Singles
>Battle Maison Doubles
>Battle Maison Triples
>Battle Maison Rotation
>Battle Maison Multi Battles
>Expanded Super Secret Bases
>Expanded Contest Spectaculars
>Soaring
>DexNav
>BuzzNav
>Pokémon Amie (+ minigames)
>Super Training minigames
>Pokemon League Rematches
>Trainer's Eye rematches
>Battle Resort Type Masters rematches
>Mauville Battle Court
>Battle Institute
>Inverse Battles Shop
>Etc

>>58828929
Bro is desperate with this ORAS shilling lol

>>58828951
>Because HGSS has objectively more content than any Pokémon game besides BW2, meanwhile i don't see how ORAS is deeper than average
ORAS has more content than HGSS

>>58830075
Prove it, post all the HGSS content

>>58830099
ORAS content:
>Battle Maison Singles
>Battle Maison Doubles
>Battle Maison Triples
>Battle Maison Rotation
>Battle Maison Multi Battles
>Expanded Super Secret Bases
>Expanded Contest Spectaculars
>Soaring
>DexNav
>BuzzNav
>Pokémon Amie (+ minigames)
>Super Training minigames
>Pokemon League Rematches
>Trainer's Eye rematches
>Battle Resort Type Masters rematches
>Mauville Battle Court
>Battle Institute
>Inverse Battles Shop
>Wally Boss Battle

HGSS content:
>Battle Tower Singles
>Battle Tower Doubles
>Battle Tower Multi
>Battle Factory
>Battle Castle
>Battle Arcade
>Battle Hall
>Pokeathlon
>Voltorb Flip
>Pokemon League Rematches
>Red boss Battle
>Dressing your Pokemon
>Safari Zone
>Gym Leader Rematches
>PokeGear Rematches

>>58830161
I forgot the Bug Catching Contest and Seals, for HGSS

>>58830161
You missed shiny leaves and pokewalker, also the Pokeathlon is extremely long

>>58830171
The Pokewalker shouldn't count as a part of HGSS imo

>>58830184
I think we can count pokewalker for HGSS and Global Link for ORAS, the game sync had medals for both XY and ORAS like BW2, it sucks it's now dead but who knows, maybe fans will bring it back

>>58830161
Most of this shit is fluff in both lists. Fluff has been a big problem since gen 4 and takes away effort from the things that could actually have been fun and not a novelty that gets old after an hour. For example, inverse battling is such a cool idea but it's only one battle per day, not an actual gauntlet/battle facility branch, so its just wasted potential. ORAS' biggest contribution is the dexnav.

I wonder if people actually do this shit in these games or just use them as gotchas

>>58830283
I have the black trainer card in both HGSS and BW2

>>58830274
I just want to add that Inverse Battles can also be had at Secret Bases in ORAS, so it can be more than 1 battle per day, for people that enjoy Inverse Battles.

>>58830283
Only game I’ve felt compelled to do everything in is Platinum.

>>58829305
>No, I mentioned the stuff that it did add though
No you didn't.

>So you're saying seven entire areas consisting of on average a town, a route, and a dungeon is more than the dozen single rooms ORAS added?
So you're saying the twenty entire new megas is more than the zero new Pokemon FRLG added?

>I listed them in the post you linked
No you didn't.

>I thought I did a pretty good job of it in my post you linked
No you didn't.

>PWT has the same type of streak system
No it doesn't.

>>58828929
Yeah, Masuda lies, what else is new.

>>58831136
He didn't lie here.

>>58830797
>No you didn't.
See >>58829117
>FRLG had entirely new assets, the Trainer Tower, and a ton of extra maps.
I don't know how I could be any more clear.
>So you're saying the twenty entire new megas is more than the zero new Pokemon FRLG added?
If we're counting forms, which is what Megas are, FRLG added two for Deoxys. After all, Megas count for the species clause like every form does, and unlike actual different stages of a line, just like Deoxys. They're temporary unlike the Deoxys forms though, so I get the confusion.
>No you didn't.
How is the Rental PWT not like Battle Factory?
How is Black Tower/White Treehollow not like Battle Pyramid/Trainer Tower?
How is Pokestar Studios not like Battle Sims?
How are the Type Expert PWT tournaments not about building a variety of teams based on a restriction?
>No you didn't.
Then if you don't understand the similarities I mentioned above, I'll list them out in great detail so it's impossible for you to be confused.
>No it doesn't.
Yes it does. International Crystal makes you fight 7 trainers in a row to get a reward. Every PWT format makes you fight 3 trainers in a row to get a reward. This is as opposed to Gen6/7, where you are rewarded for every battle instead. Also unlike Gen 6/7, you don't have to fight tons of rounds of easier trainers to get to the hardest trainers the facility has to offer, which is similar to the International Crystal version. The only real difference is that the quantity of battles is less, which given you're fighting hand crafted teams instead of random bullshit the RNG threw together that's somewhat understandable.

>>58830161
>Mauville Battle Court
If you're including that you missed the Trainer House in HGSS. You also left out the difference between Multis with NPCs vs Players (the latter of which is arguably a negative in HGSS given how slow Gen 4 multiplayer is) which Gen 4 treats as distinct for a ribbon (and ORAS also has even if any format gets you the ribbons) alongside HGSS's WiFi Battle Tower format. You also forgot to add the additional formats available in the Battle Frontier facilities, and while they're really lame it's probably worth including the lesser Battle Maison formats in that case just to be sure. There's also a ton of random daily and weekly content in both games you could have included, plus stuff that's roughly equivalent to Dexnav for expanding the Pokemon pool like Swarms or some of the radio songs. Some of that might not count enough for your taste, but if you're going as far as including the nothing that is Mauville Battle Court I think some of these are about as relevant.

>>58828929
Is this an image for ants

>>58828929
>Oh, and btw, the Battle Frontier is disgustingly overrated.
If there's one thing that's overrated in Hoenn, it's clearly not this.

>>58831230
>See
You didn't explain anything about how the content is equivalent to the BF. You just listed shitty content and pretended it's equivalent.

>ORAS had entirely new assets, new Megas, and a ton of extra maps.
I don't know how I could be any more clear.

>How is the Rental PWT not like Battle Factory?
It has no streaks.
>How is Black Tower/White Treehollow not like Battle Pyramid/Trainer Tower?
It has no streaks and doesn't even have a level cap.
>How is Pokestar Studios not like Battle Sims?
It has no streaks.
>How are the Type Expert PWT tournaments not about building a variety of teams based on a restriction?
It has no streaks.

>Then if you don't understand the similarities I mentioned above
There are no meaningful similarities.

>International Crystal makes you fight 7 trainers in a row to get a reward
And International Crystal doesn't have BF. How is this relevant?

>>58828951
>besides BW2
Gotta be retardation

>>58832547
The Subway has streaks