Ok but like genuinely, what made the dexcut ok back then but not now?
It wasn't.
>>58836828I'm sure youre just ragebaiting, but I'll reply assuming you're just stupid instead:You're conflating 2 different kinds of "dexcuts".Unova did not elicit to not include the full national dex, it just withheld it behind postgame. You can still transfer in every single Pokemon (sans Notch Eared Pichu) for postgame activities. You cannot do the same LGPE and forward.And for the record, Gen 5 not including pre-Unovan Pokemon prior to postgame was criticized back during release too.
>>58836828because you could transfer them in. I mean are you seriously using Empoleon for XY. Probably sub 1000 people ever have, but if you wanted to you could
>>58836837Op here. thanks for the actual reply anon.
>>58836828Because BW didn't have a dexcut.Sword and Shield did.
>>58836828I can have them rot in the box after I’m already done all the game’s small amount of content so that makes it ok for some reason
>>58836904where can i catch pikachu in BW?
>>58836828gen 5 didnt have a dexcutevery single pokemon at the time was availablewere you mad that they made a brand new region where only new pokemon were available (until the postgame)? then you're a faggot
>>58836911How do I catch Mareep in Sword and Shield?
>>58836916so you agree BW started the dexcut, glad we agree
>>58836903You are welcome.>>58836911Please refer to: >>58836837You probably know this, but seeing 2 people argue about pedantics when you obviously both know what is referred to is a waste of time, and this might just be the push you need to stop auto refreshing and go clean your room
>>58836919But it didn't. There's your Pikachu in Black and White.
>>58836919With that kind of logic then GS was the first dexcut because you couldn't catch Mewtwo.
>>58836911Dream World
>>58836928>need to hack to catch the mon he want in beWith that logic you can do the same exact thing in swsh with mods.
>>58836929Or RS. But let’s be real, he’s being facetious
>>58836828>Ok but like genuinely,Who are you replying to?
>>58836937do you not know about the entree forest?of course not, you don't play the games. clean your room yawnie
>>58836828The fact that it wasn't, Joe.>>58836911You transfer it from Gen 4.
>>58836828All of the pre Gen 5 Pokemon are in game and just locked behind the postgame. If anything this made the games better because they put you out of your comfort zone and made you use something new, as well as gave all the new shitmons a chance to shine before being boxed forever in your living dex.
>>58836911PokeTransfer or the Dream World
I think Gen 3 handled older Pokémon the best. All the new mons are generally front and center and the classics that are in the game are generally rare encounters or out of the way in some optional area
>>58837131Wish they'd done that for Geodude, Zubat and Tentacool as well. It's insane how much they used those Pokemon to pad out encounters in the first 4 gens
>>58837131I agree, Gen 3 had the best balance in this regard. Wasn't too old heavy like Gen 2 and 4, but still had them as choices, and to fill certain niches. Gen 3's worst issue was, despite doing this, they still fell short on Type variety, like Fire. Not as god awful as Gen 4's attempt, but in theory this should've been one of the strength's of that method.I do think Gen 5's approach was interesting though, as it forced them to reconsider some of the "filler" mons that they had previously rested too heavily on (like Oddish, Zubat, Geodude, etc..). I get why they might want to include Zubat every gen for caves, but after 4 gens of it, it gets real fuckin old. That said, the results were mixed.
>>58837143Fire has always been one of the rarest types. Most gens will just have the starter and then two or three other evolution lines.
>>58837143Yeah, I also believe that the reboot occurred for reasons related to lore, the first four generations were pokejapan and the new one was on the other side of the world, so the creatures had to be similar, but different.
>>58837167Its historically rare, but it was a particular issue in Sinnoh, and to a lesser extent Hoenn.Ignoring starters, Kanto had a version split between Arcanine and Ninetales, Rapidash, Flareon, Magmar (as a version exclusive), and Moltres to choose from. So that's 4-5 lines in the main playthrough, depending on the version and not counting trading.Hoenn had Torkoal, Camerupt, and Slugma to choose from. Not the absolute worst, but Hoenn's regional dex is also 50 pokemon larger than Kanto, so it shouldn't have regressed like it did, and the regional dex theoretically could've been as large as the developers wanted. Like I was saying, it should've utilized the reuse of Pokemon lines more to round that out better.Worst was Sinnoh's regional dex in DP, which literally only had Rapidash. There's no excuse for that.
>>58837230You forgot Vulpix in Hoenn.
>>58837230As an add on, I forgot Vulpix was available at Mt Pyre, so thats another for Hoenn.
>>58837230Don't just count the amount of lines, consider when they become available too. Magmar and Moltres are both endgame mons.
>>58837248Magmar would be available only shortly after Vulpix, relative to their position in the game (assuming a straightforward playthrough of Gen 1, it'd technically be available much earlier if you went out of your way for it). Both would be available prior to the 7th Gym, but Magmar's closer to the actual Gym battle. Moltres is the biggest loss in that regard, but I hesitate to minimize the impact considering how frequent it is as a team member in Gen 1. Regardless, my point is, Hoenn should be better than Gen 1's distribution, considering its got 2 other Gens to draw on. We're focusing on Fire cause its just the first thing I thought of, but Ice faires worse. It does stick out to me considering Groudon, the sun, heat, etc... is a big part of Hoenn's themes.
>>58836828You do know that's the main reason people hate that game, right?
>>58836828I agree this is pure bait,But I'll hook and pretend you are actually retarded1) No it fucking wasn't ok, everyone hated (and still hates) gen 5, you fucking moronan you know why? Because there is no charizard, lapras, snorlax, gengar, pikachu, eevee, gardevoir, lucario that are now in every single fucking game,Just look at how XY pandered so HARD on these to hit people with the "you want Kantoooooo? we will give you Kantooooooooo"2) That wasn't even a proper dexcut you ignorant cretin. You could get old mon in the post game or just fucking trade them five minutes into the game.Also we could add the bonus point (3)It was a deliberate choice to hae you experience the biggest new dex to date.Current Dexcut is: We want to scam you, we want to sell old mon for money, we want to work less, also, tehre is ABSOLUTELY no way of getting what we don't want you to get, but ehy don't worry, Charizard, Eevee, Pikachu, Gyarados, Lucario and all the others will be in game, also here is Gardevoirite for preordering the Game
>>58837285>>58837294I actually liked. I acknowledge I am in the minority. It is fine. But it gave Unova its own unique flavor and made it feel very unique. The world felt real. Like, it really was a faraway region. It's something that bothers me about the catch em all rom hacks that put every single rat on route 1. It detracts from what makes the region cool and unique. And Unova handled it perfectly in my opinion. But other people just want all the mons everywhere which is fine, I suppose.
>>58837312Anons are just being hyperbolically cynical. Its true that it was criticized at the time, but it was much more mixed and not as one sided as they're making it out to be. That was when Genwunning was at its peak, so the biggest detractors came from that crowd. With time, that criticism has weakened, most people hold a similar opinion to you. The real lasting issue is how polarizing the actual dex itself is.
>>58837312A region isn’t robbed of anything because it has multiple Pokemon of the same archetype lmao but yeah I enjoyed BW a lot for having only new Pokèmon again
>>58837274I feel like people give less of a shit regarding Ice-types because you can teach so many Water-types Ice Beam.
>>58836828Gen 5 didn’t have a dexcut. You were just restricted to using the new monsters for the main story (+ certain HGSS event mons to obtain Zorua and Zoroark). You could transfer in whatever you wanted upon unlocking the other half of Unova.
>>58837285They don't though
>>58836828answer: they added victini, which makes me so overwhelmingly aroused i forgot that it even happened
>>58837348how do I transfer spiky hear pikachu in bw?
>>58837447>spiky hear
We have the same threads every week. Why is /vp/ so creatively bankrupt?
>>58837486same type of bait hooks the same people
I wonder if the people who don't understand what the dexcut is are the kind of players who never play the games past the league.
>>58836828every pokémon was available through transfers (in other words, they were programmed into the game's code)not anymore (the cut pokémon NOW can't even be transfered in from other games, because their code simply doesn't exist.)
>>58836828is this a covert porn thread?
>>58837486This board has ten people on it and we're all assholes.
>>58837517im 5 of those ten!
