>>58844435
>Sharpedo over Gardevoir
lol

just say "hoenn" you faggot nigger

>>58844435
>Absol over Swellow

>>58844440
holy shit this guy isnt afraid to say anything

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>Aggron
Dogshit
>Absol
Dogshit
>Sharpedo
Doesn't even learn Water moves naturally

Breloom is handicapped by Masuda's retarded desire to balance it by having Shroomish learn Spore at level 54 for no fucking reason so I've literally never used this thing in a full Hoenn run. The only one you might have gotten right is Flygon, but again I've only ever used one once because apparently Trapinch doesn't learn any worthwhile Ground moves. You have to teach the fucker Dig so that it's not a useless sack of shit the entire run. Absolute most embarrassing Dragon I've ever raised

Anyway no "Hoenn" Team doesn't have Gardevoir so you already failed step 1 to begin with. I'd say the only thing you got right is OG May and Blaziken, most iconic duo since Hilda and Tepig

>>58844452
> is handicapped by Masuda's retarded desire to balance it by having Shroomish learn Spore at level 54
Why are you wasting time putting piss easy NPC Trainers to sleep

>No manetric

>>58844455
Do you not catch Legendaries or something?

>>58844462
Thunder Wave has never failed me.

>>58844435
I don't think any casual RSE player would commit to training a Trapinch long term, nor would they wait for Absol. Gardevoir, Swellow and Manetric fit the generic Hoenn team more

>>58844468
And Groudon’s fatass gets the Master Ball since he’s on the box

i'm not using flygon fuck off

>>58844435
I have never seen anyone use either Sharpedo or Aggron.

>>58844435
You don't get these Pokemon early enough.
The Sinnoh Starter, Staraptor, Luxray and Roserade are all on the first two routes, which is what makes them so basic.

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>>58844435
>Hoenn team
>Doesn't have a Gardevoir
>Using Sharpedo in gen 3, a Pokemon that gets no Water moves naturally and dies by the enemy sneezing in it's general direction
>Flygon, a Pokemon that takes ages to evolve, and which has horrible pre-evolutions that are completely fucking useless in gen 3, Trapinch dies to a breeze and has no good level up moves and Vibrava's stats are so shit for a Pokemon that takes so long to evolve it's almost laughable
>Absol is a late game Pokemon and a rare encounter at that, which is extremely rare on trainer teams as well, so you'll likely not even see one in your entire playthrough if you're unlucky enough
Breeloom is not a horrible or uncommon pick, but if you go with Sceptile there's not much incentive to run Breloom. Aggron is pretty common in teams, THE WALL has some pretty bad weaknesses but hits pretty damn hard to compensate and it's never truly a bad pick throughout the story, it does struggle a bit during the later sections of the game though. Oh also, Aggron gets Surf, which has been incredibly useful for role compression in terms of navigation.
Hoenn is a region with plenty of variety on most types besides Ice and Dragon to an extent, because Gamefreak handled Bagon's line in the shittiest way possible, so teams are pretty varied, only Aggron and Gardevoir are common fixtures together with the starters.
>>58844534
Aggron has always been an incredibly popular mon for Hoenn runs though.

>>58844685
>Aggron has always been an incredibly popular mon for Hoenn runs though.
No it isn’t. It’s a popular design because it looks cool, but it’s fucking garbage in the actual game.

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>>58844483
>overlapping types

>>58844435
For me, it's Sceptile, Gardevoir, Swellow, Aggron, Heracross and Crawdaunt

I think my gen 3 team was always Sceptile, Gardevoir, Aggron, Torkoal, Skarmory and the last member varied a lot, but I quite often went with Crawdaunt, mostly because I really loved the mean crayfish when I was a kid.
>>58844716
No it's not, Fighting types aren't that common in Hoenn and neither are Ground moves on most Pokemon and Aggron pulls trough the entire game, the only unfortunate thing about it is that it doesn't learn Rock moves naturally, but you get Rock Tomb as a TM really early in the game. Aron hits hard and stumps all the early game types pretty hard, Lairon is a pretty competent physical tank and attacker by the midgame and Aggron while kinda useless against Glacia and Wallace, is pretty good into the rest of the elite 4 and Steven. You sound like a zoomer who's only experience with Hoenn has been through shitty romhacks rather than the actual game.

>>58844724
Hoenn's diversity is shit so you're bound to overlap some times, especially Water, Grass or Flying

>>58844740
You’re full of shit, Aron and Lairon level slow, have ass moves, and the region has Ground and Water fucking everywhere. You thought fucking Fighting was the issue? Seriously, nigger?

>>58844435
>blaziken
everybody use swampert

>absol
you got this faggot pretty late in the game

>sharpedo
no one use this thing

>no gardevoir
>no swellow

watch more gameplays, you faggot

>>58844754
Why the fuck are you judging a Pokemon solely based on it's only negative matchups? Bad matchups that aren't even that common besides Water. You have a team with Pokemon that are meant to cover for each other, that's the point.
I can kinda see Water types, but what Ground? The occasional Numel or Camerupt you see in like what? 3 trainer teams across the entire game? Flygon's line is rare as shit and I don't recall seeing any trainer using one and Claydol's line's attack is so pitiful that an Earthquake from it is not coming close to one shooting Aggron. You sound like a faggoty uppity zoomoid who's knowledge of Hoenn and gen 3 is entirely derived from jewtubers and shitty romhacks of Emerald rather than the actual game, as I've already said.
>>58844755
Who the fuck uses Milotic? Do you have any fucking idea how miserable it is to hunt for Feebas? Even more so actually getting it to the point it's maxed out in beauty? Also Starmie is a very late game Pokemon, it's a very competent Pokemon and I like it, but who the fuck is going to wait until the tail end of the game to use one? I also don't recall seeing many people using Tropius ever.
>Almost post-game legendaries like the Regis being put that high
>While Salamence is considered unusable because you can only get it right before the elite 4
What? What the fuck is this list? Who the fuck uses the Regis on a standard Hoenn run?
Also Medicham is not present in Emerald, which is typically the version of gen 3 most people play.
>Hariyama that low
I'm not it's biggest fan, but for a Pokemon that evolves that early, with stats that huge and a fairly decent movepool, it's not right to put it that low from experience.

>>58844755
Ralts line is mogged by Abra line thoughbeit. Gardevoir is good yeah, but you don't start with Gardevoir now do you? You have to drag around Ralts and then Kirlia who are completely useless in battle all the way to 30 before they finally become usable. Abra on the other hand evolves at lvl 16 and is immediately almost as strong as Gardevoir, but much faster.

>>58844754
Golem said, calmly.

>>58844788
As much as I love Gardevoir, this is very much true, Kadabra is a fucking monster that is both incredibly fast and hits incredibly hard, it's also a Pokemon you get online really early.
Ralts is miserable to level up early game and although Kirlia isn't that bad due to Calm Mind, it's still pretty meh.

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>>58844788
>Alakazam doesn't learn Thunderbolt, AKA the main reason you'd actually run a Gardevoir
>Trade evolution

What's it mogging? Plus Gardevoir has bulk and Ralts can actually attack. Abra has to get to Kadabra before it's actually useful. The fucker is easier to catch too. You can pretend to be contrarian, Kadabra can fling Psychics better than Kirlia, but Gardevoir is just a perfect in-game nuke that hard mogs Alakazam and continues to do so. You might have had an argument if Kirlia didn't exist in the first place and worked like Magikarp, or even in Gen IV or V where Alakazam finally gets Shadow Ball, but people trying to "downplay" Kirlia's usefulness just outs you as a shitter since the stat increase from Ralts is genuinely noticeable enough to keep it relevant until level 30. Especially since it gets Magical Leaf which allows it to start clearing the mid game Rocks and Waters

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>>58844799
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>>58844435
>Sharpedo
>Absol
>Flygon
>Blaziken
Lol.
Dead giveaway this is a 2nd playthrough.

Sharpedo is almost decent in gen 3 but is 100% getting boxed for Gyarados/Kyogre, even by literal children. Absol is completely unplayable in gen 3. It has no STAB options because Dark is entirely special, and it has shit tier speed and bulk, so it gets oneshot by everything before attacking, which usually resulted in little damage. Torchic is almost never chosen first in these games either because most assumed Blaziken would be weak to everything (it's not).

Raising a Flygon in gen 3 was done by masochists only. Most were teenagers who already beat the games as children. Trapinch and Vibrava are the worst Pokemon ever conceived in their debut generation. I've probably said this before, but the task is so grueling you begin to doubt that your efforts will result in a Flygon. Maybe it is a mythical Pokemon, and the internet lied to you (this was entirely possible at the time, the internet was full of genuine bullshit and myths everywhere). It causes actual self gaslighting. All of your TMs are also gone by the time you muster the balls to train Vibrava past level 35.

A real babbies first Hoenn team.
>Sceptile
>Machoke
>Kyogre
>Swellow
>Raichu
>Gyarados

1. Most kids are going to pick the first Pokemon they're offered: Treecko
2. Machop is your only option besides Swellow to defeat Brawly, since you selected Treecko. Grovyle genuinely can't put a dent in him.
3. Kyogre is what everyone catches with the master ball.
4. The first bird Pokemon you saw, and also the only good mon against Brawly.
5. Kids watching the anime want a Pikachu as soon as available, but it's dogshit, so it gets thunderstoned.
6. Gyarados is catchable in multiple places without resorting to training a Magikarp

>>58844799
>Gardevoir has bulk and Ralts can actually attack.
Bulk is worthless, just OHKO everything and you're invincible anyway.
Ralts can attack yeah, and do no damage while doing it, only to then get destroyed in return.
Let me remind you that Kirlia has worse stats than fucking Unown. It's not useful in the slightest. Kadabra at lvl 16 has 120 sp.atk, just 5 point lower than Gardevoir will have at lvl 30. Sure the lack of tbolt sucks but being useable for almost the entire game is a worthwhile trade-off. Alakazam is optional, it's just a minor power boost to the already ridiculous Kadabra.
I'm saying this as a Gardevoirfag myself. I don't even like the Abra line and I'm willing to drag around a useless party member for a while just to get Gardevoir, but Abra line is objectively better for in-game.

>>58844685
I have to confess, I didn't use Gardevoir until my 3rd playthrough when I found the patience to use Ralts. Aggron was playthrough 2. It genuinely takes longer than most other Pokemon to level up, even if you obtain a level 40 Lairon on Victory Road it is extremely fucking tiresome for some reason. It's not strong until you absolutely have an Aggron and a good EV spread/nature going for it. Otherwise it's super underpowered.

Gardevoir on the other hand is powerful as shit. Ralts and Kirlia are pretty awful, but I was a bit disappointed I waited so long to try training them. I think my first Gardevoir was Quiet too. Hit like a fucking tank.

>>58844804
Okay I'm not the only one that hated raising a Trapinch/Vibrava. Goddamn pieces of shit, I wish I could be using a fucking Bagon instead man

>>58844816
It's still downplaying for the sake of saying that Gardevoir isn't the be-all, end-all Hoennmon that every mf uses. I say this as someone that's been trying to avoid using it lately just because of how much it trivializes the late game. And bulk isn't as worthless when you aren't an overleveled shit brickhouse. In that case, you might as well not use anything but the starter to begin with, which Swampert basically accomplishes by itself and doesn't need any support to beat the game (probably the one thing I underrated in my tier list honestly)

The main important aspect is just Thunderbolt accessibility because if you're just running Psychic, you'll pretty much never switch to your mon unless you need to one-shot anything and at best what are you going to be using Kadabra for late game? Cleaning up the Tentacool en masse? 'Voir pretty much handles everything after Tate & Liza single-handedly except for funny Sydney, who walls 'Zam too

>>58844828
>which Swampert basically accomplishes by itself and doesn't need any support to beat the game
Lol Swampert is a god. A deity that shitcans literally everyone and everything in the game and gives Groudon wedgies.

That motherfucker would only get killed during random trainer battles where someone used giga drain when I didn't expect.

>>58844828
>be-all, end-all Hoennmon that every mf uses
People only use Gardevoir because they want to fuck it, myself included. It's dead weight until you're almost halfway through the game, unless you dump every bit if exp into her at the expense of your other mons. Also Kadabra may not get tbolt but it can cope with shock wave, which is enough to zap any electric targets anyway.

>>58844716
Using your Rock Tomb TM on it is basically mandatory but it’s fine otherwise
>>58844740
>zoomer
Older zoomers grew up with gen 3, they aren’t all children anymore

>>58844799
For starters, Shadow Ball is a physical move in gen 3 and you're not using it on the few Psychic types that get it, already a dead giveaway you're full of shit.
Ralts dies to a sneeze and hits pitifully weak with Confusion, as much as I love my small Psychic baby, the poor thing is really hard to use early in the game.
>Kirlia
>learning Magical Leaf
>In gen 3
Get. Out.
>>58844804
Raichu is still stuck in the safari zone, not a lot of fags back in the day bothered with it from memory.
But overall pretty on point.
>Machop is your only option to defeat Brawly if you didn't pick Swellow
Sableye completely demolished Brawly, it wasn't the greatest Pokemon or the easiest to catch, nor that popular back in the day, but it was a really pretty decent mon to have and a lot of kids lost their shit thinking Ghost/Dark was the most broken type ever, I also heard some masochists back in the day used Zubat to beat Brawly.
>>58844820
That is fair, I was just extremely stubborn as a kid and stuck to the Pokemon I liked no matter what, I didn't think raising an Aggron was that hard even though it did take a lot of effort, Ralts was mainly stuck as switch training fodder, but I still have incredibly fond memories of my first Emerald playthrough with me having a horrible time against Watson until I eventually evolved my Ralts into a Kirlia and she swept his team thanks to Calm Mind and some luck.
My first Gardevoir was careful nature, but she was still really strong.
I think the big appeal with Aggron and Gardevoir in gen 3 is that you have to put effort into raising them, it feels so rewarding seeing them grow on your journey through thick and thin. I'd equate training Ralts to raising a kid of your own.

>>58844835
Which is an understandable mistake to make given how fucking few trainers actually use Grass types in Hoenn. Like nobody fucking uses Breloom, somehow

>>58844841
People wanna fuck mons like Mawile and Lopunny too, the difference is Gardevoir actually has power behind it and can get away with being a genuinely popular mon BECAUSE it's strong. Calling it dead weight is an insult to half of Hoenn, which is full of actually dead weight shitters nobody likes to use like the Pikaclones, Fireflies, Castform, Kecleon, Clamperl and Luvdisc

They had the genius idea of putting Spoink in the game later than EITHER Ralts or Abra if you can believe that

>>58844835
>Grovyle used Absorb!

>>58844849
>Kirlia
>learning Magical Leaf
>In gen 3
>Get. Out.
It’s a level 1 move in FRLG only, absolutely possible

>>58844849
Whoops, looks like I did forget Kirlia doesn't learn Magical Leaf in RSE. But my point on Shadow Ball was Alakazam getting it in Gen IV makes it better than Gardevoir, which got powercrept anyway due to what I was talking about with Zam and the introduction of Gallade

>>58844851
Yeah Gardevoir is strong, I'm not denying that, her stats are great. But you don't get those stats until way into the game wheras Kadabra fucking starts with comparable power and greater speed at lvl 16. I'm calling Ralts and Kirlia dead weight, because that's what they are. They are utterly useless in combat and have to just sit in the back leeching exp until lvl 30, and that severely drags down Gardevoir's ranking for me when looking at this objectively. Kadabra earns its keep for almost the entire game, Gardevoir doesn't. Tbolt is not a strong enough argument for why she's better than Zam either when the latter can oneshot any electric weak targets with shock wave anyway.

>>58844755
Linoone, Dustox, Plusle, and Chimecho are better than ‘actually crippling yourself’.
Linoone is very strong earlygame, Dustox shits all over Brawly, and both Plusle and Chimecho have good utility and support options.
Also the Abra line is top tier and Bagon can be used post gym 8 if you want to for some reason.

>>58844852
>they made the only Swampert counter the grass starter who can't harm anything else of note
still makes me laugh to this day

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>>58844435
>water pokemon you can't get until after you need Surf
Nobody has ever used shit like this

>>58844872
I used it a bit when I was a kid because I though it looked cool

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>>58844883
>Crunch at Lv.22
>Gets Surf, Ice Beam, and Rock Tomb through TM/HM
Looks good to me

>>58844883
>Check Special Attack
>95

Wow that's much better than I remember. Sharpedo can actually rock this. Fuck was Game Freak's problem making Camerupt so shit?

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>>58844872
I love Crawdaunt, therefore I have.

>>58844435
if you replace blaziken with swampert (probably the most commonly picked starter, since the game has a lot of water areas and not a lot of good water pokemon) and replace sharpedo with gardevoir then yeah that's like the default team

>>58844912
>Not a lot of good Water Pokemon

This game has Ludicolo, Milotic, Whiscash, Wailord, Tentacruel and fucking Starmie. There's plenty of options outside of Swampert, even if the game was built with curbstomping with Swampert in mind. Meanwhile Blaziken is like the only worthwhile Fire option if you don't lower your standards enough to use Camerupt, Torkoal or Ninetales. It's not like the fucker gets walled by any point, unlike Sceptile

>>58844916
I will forever be mad as a Sceptile fag due to how bad the poor thing was screwed. Generally pretty crappy movepool and it's monotype.
Grovyle as we came to find out via the Teraleak was the original draft for Archeops and it was Flying/Rock, why the fuck didn't Gamefreak keep one of either type to give Sceptile?
>>58844916
Torkoal isn't bad honestly, mainly due to that massive physical bulk, having both Amnesia and Iron Defense, as well as Fire Spin and Protect. You can cheese a lot of fights the turtle has no right winning by setting up on something that can't do much to Torkoal and then letting Fire Spin do it's job against things that would normally destroy it like Water types.
Torkoal is also one of the 3 Pokemon in gen 3 that learns Heat Wave, at level 46, which can be useful in doubles.

>>58844950
>Torkoal isn't bad honestly
It is. When you have the option to just unga bunga and oneshot everything with other mons, anything less is frankly dogshit. Is it more fun to cheese fights like that? Could be, occasionally. Is it actually GOOD? lol no. Defensive play for in-game is inherently bad. Why use a bulky mon for high defensive stats when you could instead have effectively infinite defense by just oneshotting everything, which means you never get hit to begin with? I don't like it and wish defense actually had a place, but that's just how the games are sadly.

>>58844916
>ludicolo
version exclusive, so you might be cucked out of it
>milotic
pain in the ass to get
>whiscash
you might as well just use swampert at that point
>wailord
accessible, but evolves at lv 40, so you're stuck with wailmer for a while
>tentacruel
as a sceptilefag this is my water type of choice, but generation autism is a thing so a lot of people refuse to use it
>starmie
see tentacruel, generation autism

>>58844950
>I will forever be mad as a Sceptile fag due to how bad the poor thing was screwed.
it could always be worse. im both a sceptilefag and a meganiumfag

>>58845000
At least those are doing better than Snivy. Holy fuck what a worthless shitmon.

>>58845008
in the campaign maybe, but serperior saw a lot of competitive use with contrary a while back

>>58845008
>not using Coil + Leaf Blade/Return/Aerial Ace to mog nearly everything in your path
ngmi

>>58844435
tbis is only possible in pokehex and emulators