>We are banning sleep from gen 4 OU because Spore Breloom is too much of an uncompetitive menace. We also banned Machamp.>D-did you... DID YOU JUST QUESTION MY PARAFLINCH JIRACHI???? AIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE SHAME HIM! SHAAAAAME HIM!
Froslass did nothing wrong
Breloom isn't even that bad. Nu-Smogon just wants sleep banned in every gen.I just want a hard reset to the HGSS Salamence ban at this point
>>58844908They should just leave old gens alone, complete with all the jank intact. Paraflinch Jirachi, Dynamic Punch Machamp and Spore Breloom included. Yes they're uncompetitive, but why even preserve the old gen metas when theyre going to just change shit? The gen 1-3 guys are so insistent on keeping Baton Pass alive because "thats how it was back then" and they keep the tiering of pokemon frozen despite some of them having completely fallen out of viability.
Gen 4 is a lolcow meta. Says a lot when fucking RBY is more respected.
>>58844876they banned machamp because he was too gay
Ironically by banning these two they made the actual cancermon with Mythical stats and a 60% flinch rate worse
>>58844942Did they freeze the Gen 3 tiers? I remember Charizard, Moltres and Medicham made it into OU a while back.
Dugtrio has like three years tops before it or arena trap gets banned from ADV
>>58845820Gen 3 isn't frozen, but it doesn't matter because no one plays any Gen 3 tier besides OU.
>>58845252No??? BKC told me it actually did the opposite and if you think otherwise you're bad at the game
>>58844876>Jirachi is a problem >Systematically ban every mon people used to keep Jirachi in check
>>58844908I'd love to see them come up with a justification to ban sleep in Gens 7 and 8 with how much counterplay there is to it. Tapu Koko, Tapu Fini, a bunch of good Grass types to absorb Spore and Sleep Powder, and no good Hypnosis users (the best one is Gengar, who isn't OU and doesn't even want to run Hypnosis).
>>58844876Are there alternative battle sims that don't pull this type of bullshit?
>>58845871Someone will climb the ladder with a sleep user and get it banned
>>58844876>>58844908a "sinnoh gaiden" (perhaps with slightly fewer edits than hoenn gaiden) might be cool.
>>58844876Which gens is sleep banned in again?
>>588462354, 5, and 9.
>>58844876not banning Jirachi in gen 4 is as retarded as not banning Snorlax in gen 2.If the pokemon is so warping for the entire meta to revolve around them, then it should be rightfully banned.
>>58844908All Generational OU tiers should abide by the Battle Facility standard rules if we're playing 6v6. All mythicals and legendaries should be banned and all sub legendaries are allowed.Jirachi and Celebi should be gone from ADV OU and Latias and Latios should rule the tier. Jirachi should be punted from the format and Dugtrio, Salamence, Froslass, Machamp, and Garchomp should roam free. Keldeo and Black Kyurem ought to be pushed back to ubers and Landorus Incarnate should come down to OU.Smogon has compromised it's mission to make things more "competitive" and focus more on "preserving tier identity" rather than what's fair and balanced. They play favorites. This is why RBY and GSC are perfect OUs because everything is balanced as it should be; Legendaries and Mythicals are where they need to be and monsters like Tauros and Snorlax rule their respective tiers with an iron fist.Nothing will change their mind, but if a petmod was created with this idea in mind it would objectively be the better singles format compared to the standard OU.
>Lando-I is balanced because GF says so!!!You can tell this poster has bought every single Pokemon game
>>58846867If it rules BW so be it. We have Tauros, Snorlax, Tyranitar, and Jirachi centralizing their respective tiers so Lando might as well join them. The argument for fairness went out the window long ago with how assbackwards the councils decide things in all tiers.
>>58844876>We are banning sleep from gen 4 OU because Spore Breloom is too much of an uncompetitive menace. We also banned Machamp.Lol do smogoncucks actually defend this?
>>58846860holy based
>ban machamp>ban sleep>ban froslass (viable mon that had an actual niche) on a bullshit technicality>will come after gyarados next because of waterfall flinches letting it run away wi3th games>"jirachi? ermmm no we can't do anything about it because we'd have to re-ban latias or something. nooo we can't just ban iron head, think of the PRECEDENT chud!"lol
>>58847011they have to maintain Gen 4 as the shittiest meta
>>58846171Small possibility of Champions doing away with Showdown when it releases.
>>58847011Banning Iron Head on Jirachi sets a bad precedent because of course you can make almost every Pokemon balanced if you ban it from using its best move. Considering that sleep is now banned, I bet Darkrai would be balanced if they ban it from using Dark Pulse. Salamence and Garchomp are probably balanced if you ban them from using Outrage, and Latios is also probably balanced if you ban it from using Draco Meteor. Shaymin-S might be balanced if you ban it from using Air Slash. Hell, if we're okay with banning two moves then we could probably allow Ho-oh with Sacred Fire and Brave Bird both banned and Lugia with Roost and Recover both banned.
>>58844876Yes yes, we get it opYou can't form your own opinions and need to get them from e-celebs
>>58847011I remember when they had no Snow Cloak + Snow Warning, which was great since it let you use Froslass but not the cancerous evasion abusing way.They ruined it over muh slipper slope non-sense, assuming their autistic asses will eventually unban Mewtwo at like level 80 or some shit.If little timmies are going to complain about Smogon, it should be for shit like that and not because they ban evasion or Flutter Mane.
>>58847387Not that AnonI doubt it could.Champions is unfortunately going to be Pay-to-Win with Gatcha mechanics.
>>58846860>Jirachi should be punted from the formatSupposedly this makes Latias too strong for OU, but honestly I don’t care, there’s still several counters like Tyranitar and other Steels.Latias being the queen of OU just feels right to me.
>>58847606I don't understand why they are acting like Latias being broken would be a problem considering they've banned Latias before. Just ban it again, what's the big deal?
How to make Gen 4 OU actually good:>Ban Snow Cloak + Snow Warning on the same team>Ban Dynamic Punch + No Guard on the same mon>Ban either Iron Head on Jirachi or Jirachi itself>Allow sleepAny other ideas?
>>58847617It would still be bad because Nidoqueen + Clefable stall is cancer but you can't really justify banning it because it's not overpowered per se, it's just ass to play against
>>58847610Probably because it’s completely outclassed by Latios in Ubers.
>>58847400>Hey we should do something about Jirachi. Being able to get free turn 60% of the time is kind of uncompetitive. Maybe we should ban Jirachi + Iron Head so that we have the least amount of collateral.>"WE CAN'T DO THAT OR ELSE OUR AUTISTIC ASSES MIGHT UNBAN PALKIA AND MAKE IT ONLY USE WATER GUN!"That whole anti-complex clause sentiment has always been really weird to me because its an admission to having no self control and kind of autistic.Not only that, but no one is dumb enough to ask for complex bans for literally everything. No one is asking for Palkia but with only Water Gun and Dragon Breath to be OU. People are asking for a meta relevant Pokemon to have 1 move excluded from its movepool because its otherwise broken with it but fine otherwise.
>>58847620And Salamence is completely outclassed by Rayquaza, so what?>>58847622If you ban something that isn't broken then it really is just a fanfic meta. You can't logically justify banning Iron Head on Jirachi and not unbanning all those other things.
>>58847622Also, for what it's worth, I agree they should do something about Jirachi, and that "something" should be banning it entirely.
If the only thing keeping Latias in check is a Pokémon most of the fanbase feels is uncompetitive, then perhaps Latias is uncompetitive and should be banned regardless of what tier Jirachi is in.Speaking of Jirachi, introducing a complex ban for it is retarded because there's no need for a complex ban, you can just ban Serene Grace instead, Jirachi is the only Pokémon in the game that can't not have Serene Grace as its ability and they already banned Froslass just because its only ability is Snow Cloak.
>>58847600>I doubt it couldGiven it’s apparently going to be where VGC takes places for future instalments while also still supporting other formats like single-battles, that may be more than enough in their eyes to issue a C&D to Showdown’s mods. TPC and Nintendo have issued C&Ds over far less.
>>58847713>just ban Serene GraceThen you nerf mons like Togekiss, who’s now forced to run Hustle
>>58846808Gen 2 Snorlax makes sense because banning it would result in a new even more centralized meta around zapdos and probably raikou, in gen 1/2 banning the big 3 is just going to result in an equally centralized tier with the next best 3 taking up their usage. I do agree about gen 4 though, the "tiering council" faggots that refuse to let old gens do what they fucking want piss me off. "Oooh you can't ban spore, banning moves isn't allowed!" conveniently ignoring that they banned Last Respects in gen 9. Fucking rats that don't even play the gens they get to lord over. Gen 4 is borderline unfixable though, dogshit suffering tier
>>58847815Another sim will crop up, I'll play PO again over a Game Freak current gen only p2w shitpile
>>58847622I think it’s kinda funny that Smogon players will get mad at Gamefreak for having hard rules in Pokemon classification (Kyurem is a restricted, so even if it’s not that good it has to be banned for the sake of consistency) but then invoke that they can’t do complex bans using what is essentially the same justification
>>58844876>crying over a fanfic format run by power-tripping incels who prey on kids in DMs
