>leads>substitutes because it outspeeds your Dug or other offensive threat to not get statused, a good way to deal with it, and then baton pass or not>Zapdos gets hidden power iced or tbolted while not being able to hit back, phasers like Suicune Swampert Moltres get HP Grassd or Tbolted>roars you out for trying to set up defenses or offensesThese two are cancer and they're not even OU staples.
Whoops, it's Chappy time again!
>>58845743Whoops, you still can't read!
Pokemon... le does things?
>>58845104You can't have both HP Ice and Grass, pick one so I can counterpick you with the thing you didn't pick.
>>58845104Bro, your Earthquake user?
>>58845104That's why you use Marowak. Bonemerang fucks Sub sets, it has Rock Slide for Zap, it doesn't get OHKO by HP Grass, and it doesn't have to set up for damage thanks to Thick Club. It can even gimmick with Sing!
>>58846029You know what I mean. Jolt could run Ice and Grass and Raikou could too>>58846096And then my Ttar or Swamp get chipped or KO'd in Swamp case and Aerodactyl would be oneshot too, Claydol is also an ice/grass victim. If you didnt lead right against lead jolt you're pretty fucked and in its vacuum.
This is insane, folks.
>>58846516schizo melty
>>58846532schizo melty part 2
>>58846543schizo melty part 3: the meltening
>>58846557at least vary your schizo melty a bit this is getting boring
>>58845104You can EV Dugtrio to outspeed Raikou and always live its super effective Hidden Power
>>58845743ChappyGOD, I kneel...
>>58846516>>58846532>>58846543>>58846557>>58846575Based
So much for me trying to make a single OU thread that because it features Jolteon I have to deal with some faggot ritualposter spammer that others have mentionedNext time I'll just post Raikou.
>>58847409Isn't the standard 252+ Attack 252 Speed 4 SpeDef? What else am I gonna run bro to fulfill Dugs purpose if hes only gonna break the sub at best after switching in my sac to actualy be able to get him in that is
>>58848281Trying to talk about actual gameplay is impossible on this board, far too many crazy people who have made it their life's sole purpose to LARP as internet police.
>>58848286I don't remember the exact EV spread, but it was the standard in Gen 4 UU when Raikou was legal and should work exactly the same way in Gen 3 OU. If Raikou subs on the switch, you break the sub, live the Hidden Power, and knock it out. If Raikou Hidden Powers on the switch, you live and knock it out. If it does anything else, you knock it out without taking any damage.
>>58848733Now what if it calm minds behind the sub
>>58848281Try disguising your thread as a general, for some reason Chappyfag knows not to take over generals.
>>58849055I.. what??? So just.. /ADVou/? Cause I have no clue who this retard is and what he does
>>58849108Something like that, yes. Chappyfag is an anon who treats threads like they're meant to be Eeveelution art spam if the OP image contains one of them.Generals are somehow Chappyfag repellent, even Eevee Friday threads lack Chappyfag despite actually being intended as Eevee fanart threads.
>>58849139Wow so it really is just because i posted the literal just a gen 3 sprite of Jolteon that the thread is like thisEven though it also had Raikou.
>just try to make threads less likely to attract autistsor the fucking jannies should do their payless job properly already
>>58849042Then you just knock it out? Unless you’re saying that you let it get up a sub and a CM before you even brought Dugtrio in, in which case what the fuck are you even doing? You bring Dugtrio in immediately after you see Raikou.
>>58849253Noted thank you, I am an admitted newbie to 3 OU so ive been on sample teams spam to try and adapt since its a nice distraction game on the monitor while watching something else, so I felt truly fucked by Jolt and Raikou due to my misplays
>>58850862Cute dog!
>>58845104Raikou is lower than Dug and can't BP, while Jolteon can't CM. You're combining the traits of both when they each have a critical flaw
>>58852271it wasnt my intention i was just listing both advantages at once, a simple posting format error
>>58849163They delete the spam, but the spammer is just relentless
>>58852315They only delete the jeet spam, they refuse to understand that Chappyfag is an off-topic spammer too
>>58852517ill give the guy one thing - it keeps my thread up from him bumping iti just want to talk about gen 3 OU
>>58852590Delete this
>>58845104>Raikou>outspeeding Dug
>>58854325If you dont have dug how do you deal with sub joltkou as all roar users are weak to them
>>58854449How often does Raikou even run Roar? It would have to give up Substitute, which makes it extremely weak to status, or Calm Mind, which means it can’t sweep.Regardless, Claydol also fucks it up pretty badly, Blissey walls it forever, and it loses to either Swampert or Flygon depending on which Hidden Power it’s running. Another niche counter is Steelix, which it can’t really hurt at all unless it’s running HP Water.
>>58854471No I mean roar users like skarm the birds suicune etc get hp grass tbolted or hp iced by Jolt and Raikou, before they can roar them out, and in Jolts case, can even baton pass out.Tyranitar gets tbolted Salamence too, Dug MAYBE breaks the sub and doesn't die (I use the sample set import which is 100+ Jolly for some reason but I assume it's right as it has the bulk investment)
>>58854495Swampert too from HP grass
>>58854449Stoss blissey, Steelix, Snorlax, Nonchipped tar, break the sub and revenge with something faster if you fucked up and also have nothing with a backbone, and they also both struggle into each other depending on their sets though between the two Raikou tends to come out on top thanks to cm unless it's roar jolt. These are all just off the top of my head, they're strong threats but they fell off for a reason, there is ample counterplay to them ESPECIALLY as leads when Raikou in particular is most threatening for a late game sweep once you're chipped. Also it's absurd that you're saying they're broken when they could have grass or ice, they can only have one. Is tar completely unstoppable because it can theoretically run just about everything? No, because it can't run it all at once, adv is not explosive enough for that to be an issue like it is in future gens where getting it wrong costs you the entire game, unless your team is built like ass. And even then, mence presents the same issue but 10x greater
>>58855703What are you not getting? I said they (Jolt and Raikou) could run either HP grass or HP ice.
>>58854449The same way you deal with any other Raikou. Sand, spikes, and applying offensive pressure to make setting up as difficult as possible. Being a grounded electric type, Raikou can be quickly worn down by all three even with a sub. Punish your opponent for effectively playing a five mon team for most of the match.
>>58845104>roars you out of set up faggotry Based
>>58857588But Joltkou are set up faggotry...Calm Mind Kou and Sub Baton Pass Jolt hello????
>>58856702Yeah, and Tyranitar can run hp grass, dd, focus punch, fire blast, slidequake, ice beam, thunder wave, toxic, and hp bug but no single tar is going to have all those. If the electrics have hp ice, they get stonewalled by swampert, if they have grass they get stonewalled by flygon/celebi or tanked and ko'd by mence. You're too retarded to get the point since you're dumb enough to be whining about the fucking electrics of all things so I don't know why I'm trying to make you see reason
>>58848286Dug has multiple specialized ev spreads it can run to ensure getting off specific traps. Investing in enough bulk to survive blissey ice beam after 1 layer is a common one
>>58862397Hey.. your post is informative yknow I am just a brainlet
>>58845104>gets resurrected by Ho-Oh>gets outsped by a mole as well as the thing it used to beKWAB
I miss Jolteon being good. They should take Extreme Evoboost and turn it into an actual move like what happened with Clanging Scales that does an omniboost when used by Eevee and boosts the users two highest stats by a single stage for Eevee evolutions
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>>58868595sweetie
>>58845104>He fell for the Jimothy Fool gen 3 shillingEven gen 4 is better, IH Jirachi annoying? just run Substitute on Heatran or use it as set up bait for Sub Petaya Empoleon or Agility Metagross or switch in a Rotom form if scared of Body Slam
>>58869655Do not diss Jimothy. His autism is quiet, sophisticated, and a wicked sense of humor. Far FAR more tolerable than any other Pokemon basedtuber
>>58845104>thread op has an eeveelution>thread just becomes another Eevee threadhappened to another gen 3 thread as well. sad.
>>58872334speedpass ban killed all the hypenow it's just another zoomer trannified meta like all the others now save gen2ou and gen1ou
>>58873036Gen 2 and 1 ou is talked about widely on youtube from big yellow, a prominent lgbt figure. Are you fucking retarded? Probably, like all conservatives.
>>58875199>randomly bringing up politicsThis thread already got Chappyfag'd, it doesn't need more derailing.
>>58875199>gen 2>big yellowyou're a projecting retard campaignshitter
>>58875250dont even know what that means, thats how outside your space i am. stop being retarded>>58875235fair enough, i atleast got some gen 3 discussion out of it though and how to counter my issue i said in the OP so i cant be mad right?
>>58875295>dont even know what that meansyou're a newfag too hunhnot surprised
>>58875376>hunhAnd so you must be ESL, huh?
>>58848286The brain of a smogonite melts when you mention a spread that's different from 252/252/4
>>58875392https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hunhgenuinely hope one day soon you acquire the courage to kill yourself finallyI believe in you dude
>>58875475campaignshitter post
>>58881551Had to look it up to make sure?
>>58845104Why are you using Raikou wrong?Raikou and Jolteon do very different things, Raikou isn't fat Jolteon, it's goofy Suicune. Usually worse, but fits certain niches, especially on teams that have bait for dug, and want to run shit like Starmie.
>>58845104I didn't know /vp/ played Gen 3 OU
I love Jolteon. They look so goofy yet cute.
>>58885998RelateableOn the other hand it's also funny when Jolteon hits them all and takes down the opponents EX poke
>>58893484yes, like this sylveon sees well
>>58873036Retarded mankey
>>58901181h-he's fast!
>>58900546sanboo
>>58846124You only Marowak when you speedpass.
>>58845104>These two are cancer and they're not even OU staples.So why are you losing to it?
>>58845104>Burns/toxics your lead.>Is a good girl who does her job well.>Is full of love, loves to cuddle>Eats your trash and keeps place cleanThis is the stable of a good girl.
>>58921394I like Weezing but I am more of a Muk Male.
>>58921467Good taste.
>>58845104>LeadsOnly an issue for shit that starts games with Skarmory>Sub to outspeed dugthat's just asking to be constantly EQ'd by dug? And Dug is faster than Raikou>HPIce/GrassEver heard of 4MSS? Both of those mons suffer from it, not fitting HP grass fucks them hard>Roars youThese mons are only roaring vs other defensive shit like Celebi, who can just keep chunking these fucks with leech seed or attacking them outright.
Meltysaur lol
Oh, what's this? Another good thread derailed by a foid and her army of sycophants? How disappointing. Surely the next thread with an eevee in the OP won't get ruined like this and dragged on for a month and a half, right?
>>58928796b-but I like the cute pics! that totally justifies ruining a thread!
>>58928796>>58928860I don't see the problem, just let Chappyanon find her own happiness sharing pics of her favorite Pokémon and leave it at that.She is not going anywhere, so let's learn to live with it.
>>58929246Just let everyone else find their own happiness with threads not being full of off-topic posts.
>>58845104You realize it literally can't do anything to Wo-Chien, Ting-Lu, Ttar, Magearna or literally anything with Volt Absorb or Motor Drive, right?
>>58929246Why are you so willfully ignorant about the fact that off-topic spam is off-topic spam anyway? Chappyfag isn't going to fuck you, you know.>>58930483OP's talking about gen 3
>>58930926>OP's talking about gen 3Just run Blissey like everyone else then
>literally can't do anything to snorlax or blissey>they have a combined total of 50% usage
>>58846186Raikou is not faster than Dugtrio. Both of these Pokemon get hard walled by Blissey and Snorlax and are also easy prey to the two most prominent offensive threats in the tier in the form of Tyranitar and Metagross. The HP they run doesn't let them deal with all their checks, they either beat the dragons or they beat Swampert
>>58845104>complaining about Jolteon of all thingsgod forbid the frail electric type with a single moveslot or 2 of low BP coverage be good at anything.
>>58945939Should be illegal for Jolt to easily sub and BP
>>58949686Zapdos doing the same shit is significantly worse backed by the threat of set variety and actual stats, and even that has losing lead matchups
Yes. Between speed and priority moves being more or less the be all end all and substitute/swords dance being cancer competitive pokemon is a shitty joke been that way for a long time. Have a couple videos of me getting my shit rocked in the gamefaqs WiFi competitive scene almost 20 years ago. https://youtu.be/58o3qGlmOk8?si=C8Dkn4DdRcpqxvyehttps://youtu.be/Xh7aI1ddvMc?si=FdCwRfS4t93qklZN
>>58848286i'm a special offense player who abuses the shit out of dugtrio and that thing can be EV'd to live a super effective hit from celebi, blissey, rachi, etc, bulky dug rapes blissey with beat up 83.4% of time (basically your chance of not getting frozen or critted by a max spA modest blissey), the downside however is you miss out on clean KOs against targets like rachi, tar, meta, and celebi from 80% of their health
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>zhaaaarx please be what my entire jeetkord dreams of being now zhaaarx I thought I was supposed to pretend everyone else was muh chappy why can't I ever get my story straight please have muh melty now like the samefaggin' geet does every single time I fail to push a thread off the board because I don't want anyone to notice that I have no idea how to play anything zhaaarx you are rayciss if you notice that the only thing that ever ruins a thread is the presence of a single samefaggan jeetkord groomaar who tries to control the board and fails miserably every time>zhaaar please stop taking care of fluffy little pets it's so mean and rayciss that a single fluffball is far more valuable than the lives of every single geet put togethaar it's very rayciss to bump threads unless you follow additional requirements from samefaggan geets that don't belong here>remember zhaarx when a samefaggan geet wants to cover something up you just know it's the truth and whenever a samefaggan geet wants to make a claim you just know it's the opposite of the truth>remember zhaarx the poor oppressed op wanted the thread to die early so i can have more room for my shitty ads it's very mean and rayciss to notice that I don't actually give a shit about "derailing" which is another word a samefaggan geet will never understand and will just try to imitate or "spam" which is another word a samefaggan geet will never understand and will just try to imitate or "dumping" which is another word a samefaggan geet will never understand and will just try to imitate>please saar stop noticing that what i'm actually crying about is bumping which is why I try to pretend "muh chappy" is the one bumping these threads during my zhartygeet raids which are actual spam>aieeeee I was trying so hard to prevent my entire jeetkord's agenda and ethnicity from getting reposted why is the truth so consistent unlike my ever-changing samefaggan story save me muh chappy
Sub Breloom is cancer
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>get two Pokemon with earthquake>winHmm..
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>>58975521God I wish that was me.
