Gen 6 is the most underrated Pokemon generation. It gave us:>XY: the best initial pair of games>ORAS: the best remakes>Mega Evolution: the best battle mechanic >A lot of cool lore about Mega Evolution, the Draconids, etcJust because we didn't get a "Z game" people perceive Gen 6 as "incomplete", but that's incorrect. My hypothesis is that Z didn't happen precisely because XY were fairly complete as is, especially compared to previous initial pairs. So instead, they finished all the lore with ORAS.
>oras>best remakesYou don't have to lie anon
>>58845427based truthposter
>>58845427>ORAS: the best remakesbrutally mogged by HGSS
>>58845427>game" people perceive Gen 6 as "incomplete", but that's incorrect. My hypothesis is that Z didn't happen precisely because XY were fairly complete as isI know the main reason was that they wanted a new Generation for the 20th anniversary, but that's only half of the story imo.2015 was a gap year, so they could have fitted "Z" version in 2015, and still release SM for the 20th anniversary in 2016.I think they just didn't have enough new content for a Z version at the time, so that's why they skipped it.Realistically, what would even have been in Z? The Zygarde cell hunt, and Complete Zygarde? That's not really enough to warrant a new version of the same game.
>>58845427Yeah, Gen 6 didn't need a Z version because of XY's sheer potential
>>58845427No. That's Gen 4. While it got off to a rocky start, 2 out of the 3 main line games are some of the best in the seriesHGSS was the best remake and some argue that it's just flat out the best game.
>>58845427>XY were fairly complete as is, especially compared to previous initial pairsDidn't even have Gym Leader rematches.
>>58845449literally only HGSS is goodDPPt is guilty of all the same things retards bitch about XY for except 2x worse
>>58845427>XY: the best initial pair of gamesLol. Every initial release prior to it blows it out of the water, including DP. There were obvious plans for a Z version set up that just happened to be abandoned, your fanfic doesn't hold up.>ORAS: the best remakesThey have their qualities and are better than BDSP but at the time they were a major disappointment in comparison to HGSS>Mega Evolution: the best battle mechanicNever understood the love for Megas. If you're comparing it to other gimmicks its generally better, but basically every actual mechanical change that any given generation brought is better, and I'd have much preferred real mechanical changes over Megas. Ironically, I'd say that the fairy type was a better addition than Megas because it at least changes up the core gameplay in a significant way.>>A lot of cool lore about Mega Evolution, the Draconids, etcGen 6 had confusing and overcomplicated lore compared to previous gens. People harp on gen 4 for going too crazy with it but compared to the shit they did in gen 6 I'd say its pretty to the point
>>58845432>>58845441ORAS is the best remake and HGSS is just as overrated as the Meme Frontier.
>>58845454>Didn't even have Gym Leader rematchesThey do have Gym Leader Rematches. In the Battle Chateau. Play the games lol
>>58845448>all the pokemon are 3D nowYou forgot to add "please don't turn on 3D mode".
>>58845457>Every initial release prior to it blows it out of the water, including DPnope>Gen 6 had confusing and overcomplicated loremaybe if you're retarded and illiterate
>>58845463>ChateauIt's just the leaders walking around like NPCs with teams of fucking 3 pokemon. Fuck man, Viola only has 2 poekmon at her final form.
>>58845471Moving the goalposts, are we?
>>58845475Fine, I admit I forgot the Chateau had all the gym leaders, in my head there were only ever 4 of them in there. Still, they are probably the worst rematches in the series.
>>58845471>B-B-B-BUT IT'S EASY!!!congrats you just realized gym rematches are completely worthless content for anyone with higher than 50 IQ
>>58845455Okay, how the FUCK is Platinum guilty of all the criticisms of XY?Go on, I'll wait, I want to see how you say one of the best games is the same as shit like XY.
>the XY trolls have now moved on from trying to prove XY was better than BW2 to proving it's better than fucking platinum
Inb4 Yawnie deletes his posts again kek
>>58845427xy are the worst games in the entire series, oras are dumbed down slop, and megas were a mistake
>>58845492It's just one shill who singlehandedly tanked XY's reputation. It's honestly impressive, what was once seen as average run of the mill games are now seen as the beginning of the end for the franchise.>xy are the worst games in the entire series,SwSh exists, but XY are pretty bad.
>>58845455This is the common Kalosperm cope.The claim is that Sinnoh panders to Kanto too, but it doesn't in any way that wasn't well precented by that point. In other words, having Kanto pokemon IN the game isn't really pandering, literally every gen prior did so as well. Kalos, on the other hand, copy pasted Viridian forest AND the Snorlax plot. Giving the player a Kanto starter would've been fine as well, since other earlier games have, but they gave you one shortly after you get your actual starter, and gave them but not your actual starter Megas, so they're basically guaranteed to overshadow your actual starter. Aside from this, the main complaints about XY are the EXP share breaking the level curve (which it does worse in gen 6 than 7+ even), and the lack of new areas to explore in the postgame (which was the standard by that point). Really, the whole reason people generally don't like XY is because of the way that it broke the set precedent, so saying it didn't do anything DPPt didn't do is just plain lying. Name one thing DPPt do that people actually complained about in XY, because it seems to me like this point is always made to deflect from the actual points people make regarding XY, and change the topic to the usual DPPt complaints like slowness and lack of dex diversity, which are legitimate complaints, but are curiously entirely off topic from XY. How about actually defending against the relevant criticisms for once? People might finally take XY praise seriously for once.
>>58845499Oops, meant to reply to >>58845495 in the latter half of that post.
>>58845495>xy are the worst games in the entire seriesBest initial pair ever>oras are dumbed down slopBest remake ever. Sorry HGSS fans.>megas were a mistakeImagine not loving Megas
>>58845499I remember a fuckload of disappointment when it came out.But yeah, Sword is worse.
>>58845488>Okay, how the FUCK is Platinum guilty of all the criticisms of XY?>WAAAAAAH XY HAS LE KANTO PANDERING!!!Platinum literally spams the same 4 shitty Kanto random encounters through the entire game.>WAAAAAAH XY HAS LE BAD PERFORMANCE!!!Platinum makes you wait 20 seconds to save simply from depositing a Pokemon into the PC and the battles are retardedly slow.>WAAAAAAH XY HAS LE RESTRICTED UNENTERABLE POWERPLANT!!!Platinum has a room in Backlot's Mansion that's blocked by an NPC with zero explanation.>WAAAAAAH XY HAS LE BAD STORY!!Team Galactic's motivation is literally identical to Team Flare's motivation except even more nonsensical and cartoonishly villainous and all the characters are even more shallow.>WAAAAAAH XY IS LE EASY WITH LE TOO MUCH EXP AND GIFT POKEMON!!Platinum can literally be beaten by spamming STABs with your starter the entire game which gets you 10+ levels above every gym leader by the time you get to Fantina.And then add on top of the shittier map design heavily reliant on HM spam and NPC roadblocks, the barebones online mode that doesn't have match making, the retarded time based mechanics that only exist to pad the game like honey trees and great marsh, the lack of customization, the lack of pokemon animations, the horrible breeding and EV training mechanics...but yeah sure bro Platinum is one of the best games because...*check notes* zoomers on reddit and twitter said so
>>58845511>the retarded time based mechanics that only exist to pad the game like honey trees and great marshYou say this but act like BW are bad games simply because berry farming, another time based mechanic that only exists to pad game time, aren't in them.Which is it yawnie? Are time based mechanics good or bad?
>>58845516Berry farming isn't reliant on RNG wasting your time like the Great Marsh and Honey Trees are.
>>58845504>Best initial pair everNo, that's Sun and Moon. >Best remake ever. Sorry HGSS fans.HGSS was better. Sorry for your brain damage. >Imagine not loving MegasYeah, megas were cool, but mechanically lacking and too many were used on Pokemon that didn't need any boost. Gyarados was one of the only Pokemon that actually took advantage of the mechanic thanks to Moxie and Intimidate. Mega Salamence was a mistake. Z movies and Terastallization are much better gimmicks that add depth to gameplay. At worst, Megas are harmless and don't hurt the game, and that's more than can be said about the shitshow that's dynamax.
>The claim is that Sinnoh panders to Kanto too, but it doesn't in any way that wasn't well precented by that point. In other words, having Kanto pokemon IN the game isn't really pandering
>>58845511>>WAAAAAAH XY HAS LE RESTRICTED UNENTERABLE POWERPLANT!!!This is one complaint I don't really understand. Who said that ALL of the Powerplant should be explorable by some kid trainer? And why is it important?Games like SM and SwSh don't even let you explore ANY of their Powerplant equivalents, but somehow this complaint is always about the Kalos powerplant lol
>>58845511So, it's only "guilty" of the small nitpicks that people just add on when talking about the main issues with XY.
>>58845537Tell us what the main issues of XY are, anon. Go on.
>>58845534>DPP has all that content to explore and day/night cycleBest games in the series
>>58845534Sinnoh didn't really feel like pandering. XY just said "hey, remember kanto, here's a kanto starter in case you don't like the one you got."
>>58845522>No, that's Sun and Moon.Sun and Moon are bare bone games compared to XY>HGSS was betterNo, it wasn't. ORAS is better than HGSS. ORAS has way more new content. HGSS feels like replaying GSC all over again.
>>58845455>HGSS is goodyou can't possibly find these good if you're filtered by kanto, timed based events, piss easy difficulty, and slow performance lmao
>>58845546>Sinnoh didn't really feel like panderingYou're right, it felt like shitty tedious game design, which is 10x worse than pandering.
>>58845534This is why gen 5 is the best.
>>58845427Bait used to be believable
>>58845562This isn't bait
>>58845534You're quoting a post that counters the exact point you're making; nobody makes this complaint about XY so why are you talking about it? How is this relevant? This is a thread about XY and its qualities and you're posting an image comparing Sinnoh and Kanto encounter rates. Why not address what's actually being discussed here?
OP's a weird, low IQ faggot that keeps making bait threads trying to say objectively shitty games are good. He'd done it with LGPE in the past
>>58845427no, it will always be seen as wasted potential. it never got z because the next gen was rushed, the remakes were gimped and made super easy so kids with ADHD wouldn't get bored, your stupid gimmick was so op it was clear GF couldn't balance for shit, tons of cut content like southern Kalos and the power plant, lots of legendaries were just shat out without lore and fanfare.I could keep going but you get the point, gen 6 marker the beginning of the end for the franchise
Gen 6... peak
>>58845567Keep coping
>>58845564>image shows the issue is drastically worse in DPPt despite having more pokemon available to use, showing that there isn't in fact a precedent for it>"th-th-the post you're quoting countered this!!"sure, retard.
>>58845571>no, it will always be seen as wasted potential. They didn't sell me the same game again but with zygarde on the box
>>58845441HGSS is a good remake but it's massively overrated, and ORAS absolutely mogs it.
>>58845427XY are some of the worst games ever made
>>58845597nah
>>58845598retard
>See Kalos defense thread>"Oh cool, I love Kalos, lets see if people are discussing any of the qualities I love and want to be able to discuss more like Kalos' awesome City and route design">Open thread>Its filled with the same tired Sinnoh slandering deflection that yawnfag always brings up.I fucking hate this idiot more than I can express. He has single handedly prevented XY from having their "hey, this gen was actually pretty good" moment by ceaselessly spamming the same reductionist genwar shit. I'll make the first actual point in the whole thread and bring up Kalos' Kino ass city design. Its a small thing but having a bike track here to ride your new bike around, complete with hidden side paths with items, is very nice and a highly underrated detail that Kalos is filled with. Most cities and towns in Kalos have some detail to them that gives them identity and makes them feel nice to revisit. Its not mechanically relevant per say, but shit like this, the snow slopes in Snowbelle, the falls in Couriway, the railings and benches scattered around the region, and so on, add so much to the flavour of Kalos that goes heavily underappreciated by seemingly everyone but me.
>>58845601projectionist
>>58845604>deflection>when the first person who brought up sinnoh fan trying to shill the game
>>58845601We don't sign our posts here pal
>>58845541It felt too shallow. Most areas you only had reason to visit once and never again. In Emerald or Platinum, there was reason to go back to routes or towns with new tools to find things you couldn't have got the first time around. Sure there was the "mega stone hunt" but that was you just going to areas you already had access to for items that weren't there before. Also, let's be honest, locking away so many mages to the post game when the megas were the main gimmick was an awful idea. The best thing we got was Route 19, and even that was a far cry from Route 119 or 212. On the topic of exploration, we didn't get a big area to wonder around in. I don't need a monster like Mt. Coronet to explore, but Terminus Cave just felt like an early game cave. And let's not even talk about Glittering Hallway.The post game area was bland and just a battle tower. "but it added rota-" No one fucking cared about Rotation or Triple battles. Fuck man, BW invented them and it knew people didn't care. No one liked them and the Showdown matchmaking for them has always been dead for good reason. The fact that the game had such a small dex that it needed to reuse the Kanto birds was embarrassing. It was even worse that you were limited to only one based on the starter choice. Yes, I know that that the dex is bigger if you count the megas, but that's even more reason for them not to have had so many locked to the post game. The event pokemon didn't evern have in game events. The most you got was one guy who said a few extra things if you showed him a Volcanion. In game events peaked with Liberty Garden, but even just something like the Darkrai quest from DPPT would have done so much to improve XY.
>>58845650The lack of alternative battle modes was noted. Yes, BW was guilty of this too, but in XY with so little post game content it was much more notable. I wouldn't have expected a full battle frontier for the start of the generation, that's ORAS's failing, but They did nothing with Inverse battles. Sky battles sucked so it's fine we didn't get anything out of that. There were too many rival characters. Sure the idea of having a group of friends was cool, but we didn't really get to know them that well and instead of it feeling like we were encountering 4 trainers along our journey, it felt like they wrote enough encounters for 1 rival and split that among 4 different people. I can't even remember what Trevor's personality was.
>>58845650>Most areas you only had reason to visit once and never againYou go again to catch more Pokemon because there's a ton of Pokemon variety. Otherwise this is just the same problem every Pokemon game has except in some cases like BW it's even worse because the Pokemon variety is far shittier and there's not even a Pokeradar to shiny hunt with.>In Emerald or Platinum, there was reason to go back to routes or towns with new tools to find things you couldn't have got the first time aroundGoing back to a route in Platinum just to click A in front of a rock to grab a Protein isn't depth.>Also, let's be honest, locking away so many mages to the post game when the megas were the main gimmick was an awful ideaWhy? I thought you retards loved things being pointlessly locked to the postgame.>I don't need a monster like Mt. Coronet to exploreMt Coronet isn't explorable. It's completely linear because they filled it with roadblocks. And there's nothing worthwhile to even find in it because the Pokemon distribution sucks ass.>but Terminus Cave just felt like an early game caveIt felt like an end game cave. There, I countered your argument. See how worthless your post is?>The post game area was bland and just a battle towerSee, now you're back to screeching that there wasn't enough pointlessly locked to the postgame even though you were just crying about it. Which is it?>No one fucking cared about Rotation or Triple battlesJust goes to show how much effort and love the game had that they polished and improved them anyway instead of lazily cutting them like BW did with many features.>The fact that the game had such a small dex450 Pokemon isn't a small dex.
>>58845607>>58845617underage
>>58845661>You go again to catch more Pokemon because there's a ton of Pokemon varietyThat's cope. Almost every game before it had routes that you had to revisit later to get all the secrets from. >Going back to a route in Platinum just to click A in front of a rock to grab a Protein isn't depth.Route 119 waterfall is pure soul. Something YX lacked. >I thought you retards loved things being pointlessly locked to the postgame.You fail to understand what content should be in the main game want what should be in the post game. XY too what should have been main game and made it into post game. >It felt like an end game cave. Gee, that's weird since it was a mid game cave, I guess you're saying that XY is poorly balanced. Look man, anyone who plays it will know better, so let's not gaslight that, okay?>Which is it?See above. This is a reading comprehension test. >Just goes to show how much effort and love the game had that they polished and improved themThey didn't improve them at all. >450 Pokemon isn't a small dex1You know full well that I'm talking about the new poekmon added.
>>58845555>admitting to being filtered
>>58845692>That's copeNo it isn't.>Almost every game before it had routes that you had to revisit later to get all the secrets fromAnd you can do the same in XY. So where's the issue?>[Route not in Platinum] is pure soul. Something YX lacked.So we agree Platinum sucks.>You fail to understand what content should be in the main game want what should be in the post gameYou fail to understand what content should be in the main game want what should be in the post game, because you keep nonsensically flip flopping like a retard depending on which narrative you need.>Gee, that's weird since it was a mid game caveNo it isn't. Look man, anyone who plays it will know better, so let's not gaslight that, okay?>They didn't improve them at allYes they did. They put them in a battle facility while BW didn't.>You know full well that I'm talking about the new poekmon added.So Emerald and Platinum suck because they have 0 new Pokemon. Cool. Also 100 new Pokemon still isn't a small amount.
>>58845704Bro, you're not even trying anymore. I don't even have to make a response because I'm that confidant anyone reading this will know you're full of shit.
Gen 6 won.
>>58845651>The lack of alternative battle modes was noted. Yes, BW was guilty of this too, but in XY with so little post game content it was much more notable. I wouldn't have expected a full battle frontier for the start of the generation, that's ORAS's failingXY and ORAS have such a complete Battle Maison (5 different modes), that they don't really need an expanded battle facility. Because the Battle Maison IS the expanded battle facility.And, once again, the Battle Frontier is massively overrated and almost nobody actually likes playing its facilities.
I think Gen 6 could have been much better if they just tweaked how much exp inactive pokemon win with the exp. share. If inactive pokemon earned like 30% of the experience active ones did instead of fucking 50% the player would not reach the endgame with his team ten levels over the league.The games try to make battles like Wally, Steven and Diantha seem epic and you can easily sweep them because of how overleveled you are.The games were always easy but at least the E4 and champion coluld give you some trouble if you were not careful before.
>>58845719-the award for 3rd worst generation.
>XY's postgame is bad because it's just battle facilities>Emerald's postgame is good because it's just battle facilitiesmake it make sense
>>58845734Isn't the Exp. Share OPTIONAL in XY and ORAS? What are you guys even complaining about?
>>58845732I'd believe you if the Battle Maison AI weren't completely fucking busted int he player's favor and if the new formats didn't also lag the shit out of the 3DS. Hell, it even cuts the WiFi mode from Gen 4/5/JP Crystal, so it's not even that much better variety. At least the local Multis aren't Gen 4 level miserable but that's a cold comfort. ORAS not adding anything on top of it doesn't help, B2W2 added a jank Battle Fronteir's amount of content and USUM at least added a bad Battle Factory. There's a reason that the Smogon streak lists have a low player count with unusually inflated streak lengths.
>>58845783>USUM at least added a bad Battle Factory.It had that? Wait, was that the rental battles or whatever?
>>58845783>and USUM at least added a bad Battle FactorySM/USUM removed Triples and Rotation battles so adding the bad Battle Factory knockoff doesn't mean much.
>>58845427>the fall of pokemon is the most underrated genheh lmao
>>58845783>ORAS not adding anything on top of it doesn't helpAt least ORAS added cool new Move Tutors, as well as new Multi Battle partners (Steven, May, Archie/Maxie and Wally I think)
>>58845800Removing Triples and Rotation isn't really a negative. Having Triples and Rotation isn't a positive. Triples and Rotation are a whole lot of nothing that no one interacted with or wanted. BW tested it with 2 battles, saw the players didn't like it, and didn't expand it when it came for BW2. Then XY had so little content, they tried adding it to the battle tower to hind the lack of wifi or other content.
>>58845455DP had the Battle Zone, which is essentially what XY would have had if they did southern Kalos. DP were also massive improvements over nearly everything in "oops we just barely finished making the game" Gen III. I don't know why people look at Gen III so fondly and at DP with such derision. Imagine if DP replaced 10 of its land routes with water routes, only let you catch 200 Pokémon across the entire game (but don't worry, 49 have been moved pre-National Pokédex :)), had almost no post-game, dropped your rival 2/3 through the game, didn't have any backwards compatibility, required numerous accessories to even fully use instead of the built-in wireless of the DS, make physical DLC with e-Cards, split Team Galactic into two groups with only four collective Pokémon lines between them and had their bosses claim there's too much air to breath or there's too much planet core existing and so they're going to remove air/the planet core to make more room for Pokémon and make that the entire crux of their crusade, remove Ditto so you can't even easily breed, and timegate more Pokémon to future games, and you have Ruby and Sapphire.>Oh but Emerald exists so you can't criticize Hoenn and Ruby and Sapphire>But Diamond and Pearl nearly killed Pokémon and Platinum saved it by adding Darach and aesthetic snow in the corner of Twinleaf TownPeople who talk like this have never even played Ruby and Sapphire. They never lived through that time when they were out and they were locked off from everything else. They never thought about the sheer monetary investment in trying to buy an e-Reader and all the cards (never even completed in English) and a link cable and the GBA-to-GCN adapter and all the stupid diagrams you had to follow. They just replay Emerald on an emulator four times a year and parrot the same opinions their zoomer brains have been programmed to say. I played Ruby, Emerald, Diamond, and Platinum when they were out and I can say quality only went up.
>>58845719...at being the worst generation of Pokemon released on 3DS, yes.
>>58845427oras are the second worst remakes, only behind bdsp and only because of how incompetent they are. they're shit games otherwise and ruin what used to be a perfect region
>>58845427I would call it overhated but not underrated. it’s very mediocre.
>>58845814>DP had the Battle Zone, which is essentially what XY would have had if they did southern KalosXY doesn’t have a reason to have a Battle Zone because unlike DPPt it didn’t make the Pokemon distribution complete horseshit 99% of the game just to shove it all into the postgame.>DP were also massive improvements over nearly everything in "oops we just barely finished making the game" Gen IIIThen why is it so poorly polished compared to Gen 3?>>58845783>B2W2 added a jank Battle Fronteir's amount of contentNo it didn’t.
>>58845863Genuinely curious what you think makes LGPE better remakes than ORAS. I personally dislike ORAS but I'm not sure I would say it's worse than LGPE.
>>58845893>6fags don't care about gameplayWhat makes you think that? Seems like they care very much about gameplay considering they’re not terrible at the games like you are and you keep seething over the fact that XY has gameplay features like trainer customization, berry farming, fish chaining, pokeradar, amie, etc that your favorite games don’t.
>>58845903>considering [schizophrenic babble]Did not, repeat, DID NOT read one word of your third world speak. Give an actual argument.
>>58845910>Did not, repeat, DID NOT read one word of your third world speakIf this were true you wouldn’t be seething this hard.
>>58845879Ruby and Sapphire have literal placeholder overworld sprites designed after the Gen II equivalent Trainers. Ruby and Sapphire are also entirely front-loaded, the game loses much of its structure and content after Lilycove City and it's not even like the content before that was filled to the brim or anything. And the thing is that DP pre-National Pokédex is only going to be 10% of your playtime because there's just so much content post-game, even without a Battle Frontier. If you don't care for battle facilities, Platinum really isn't that big of a difference. Oh, so there are 59 additional Pokémon in the Sinnoh Pokédex? But 56 of them were already found in DP, just at a later point in the game and they've just been moved a few hours earlier? But also I can't catch Stunky/Skuntank, Murkrow/Honchkrow, Glameow/Purugly, or Misdreavus/Mismagius and I still only get one Sinnoh fossil type, it's just based on my ID? And Clamperl and Trapinch/Vibrava/Flygon are no longer obtainable whatsoever without trading? The only new Pokémon are Tropius, Tangela/Tangrowth, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, and Regirock, Regice, and Registeel if you have the event Regigigas. Nice to not have to Pal Park them, but it's pretty minor overall. Emerald added over 40 Pokémon (nearly all of which could be obtained in Colosseum or would have been in Altering Cave), and Ruby and Sapphire were far more in need of post-game material than DP, but Gen III has all these bullshit requirements like completing the entire Hoenn Pokédex to get ONE Johto starter. Why can Eevee, which isn't found in Hoenn, only evolve to Espeon and Umbreon in Hoenn games? Why is the Gym Leader rematch system in Emerald so awful with how it works, it's the worst system of all Gym Leader rematches. Why can Steven only be battled once, this is supposed to be the Red equivalent? Why replace Wallace with another Water Gym Leader with the same puzzle if you're going to keep Wallace anyway?
>>58845732There is a lot of cope saying XY is better because it has triple and rotation battle and the Battle Frontier doesn't matter at the same time.
>>58845929>make unsubstantiated claim>unsubstantiated claim is countered with multiple specific examples>cry like a bitch instead of making a counterargument >”I-I-I’M NOT MAD!!! K-K-KWAB!!!”yeah ok bro
