I legit thought that this was a shitpost by some fake leaker when it was first leaked.
same
>>58851016>NOOOO EVERYTHING'S FAKE!!!!Your fault retard
>>58851024See, you're the anon that probably thought that this was real.
>>58851029>Think GF would ever put any effort into a design, much less a turd like thatAgain, your fault
He hitting the nae-nae
even after the truth came out i still give it the same regard i would a fake shitpost
>>58851031/thread
I love it and will never understand the hate.
>>58851962It's so stupid it goes full circle into being hilarious. Some people only see the stupid though.
>>58851962Surely you don't mean you truly can't understand why someone would hate it?
>>58851988it can be both funny to someone and hated by that same fellow as well, which is the most common opinion imo. One I share.
Some people laugh at stupid because they've never seen something so ridiculous. Most people are sick of it because stupid is all we get now and it's not funny anymore
>>58851962>ZShould be Agul
>>58852037/vp/tards pretending Feraligatr and Starmie are the only megas that released this batch are not most people.
I like it because I think it's funny, but I can understand why people would dislike it for being too silly
>>58852065You act like we haven't been complaining about mon designs getting worse for over a decade. Before these new megas it was the paradoxies, or the origin forms for palkia and dialga, or the meme gmaxes, or UB hate, or some of the original megas, or... you see? Mega Feraligatr and Mega Starmie can't be viewed in a vacuum even if you think every other Z-A mega is good (reminder: many of them have also been derided as being retarded or awful. Luc-Z, Chomp-Z, Dragonite, Victreebel, Skarmory, Excadrill, Pyroar, Raichu... You see?) as the franchise has been consistently shitting out lazier and shittier designs. Fucking Eiscue and the galar fossils, athe entire applin line. Goddamn Gholdengo. Goddamn Lechonk. Goddamn Fidough. Wiglett. Palafin. Flamigo. This is not a new complaint, it's us being flabbergasted that gamefreak keeps somehow getting shittier and shittier at designing these mons.
>>58852103>You act like we haven't been complaining about mon designs getting worse for over a decadeYou mean since Gen 2 released? Laughable post, the dex that flopped the hardest will always be 5.
>>58852115*Yawn*
>>58852139>monkeyWatch out, he'll post his brown hands and think that makes him white.
>>58852139Your bait is just too obvious and played out dude
>>58851016Name a single thing good about Mega Starmie’s design that isn’t “LMAO SO FUNNY XD!!”Hard Mode: Explain why the design couldn’t have any further changes beyond having longer legs and a different shade of purple. No extra parters, no add-ons, no drastically different colors, no nothing.
>>58852103There is nothing wrong with the Applin line. Leave them out of this.
>>58853558The applin line shouldn't have gotten through the concept phase. They're absurd.
>>58851016And now it's one of the most popular Pokemon in Japan.
>>5885102910/10
>>58851962People forgot Starmie and Staryu literally came out of the gate as Ultraman references
>>58854343>You just le heckin don't get it!!!How many times do we have to go through this? Understanding the reference is NOT going to make me or anyone else like this abortion.
>>58851962It symbolizes the ease and the issues those involved in making the designs and the games. They pick the easiest route by making it as basic as possible while loosely tying it to an reference like a politician hiding behind a group of people who are suffering instead of doing something productive and if you call him out he's calling you the monster for attacking the innocent.
>>58851029True that looks too good for ZA
>>58854343And mega feraligatr was based on kamen rider. You retards keep failing to understand, a reference does not a good design make.
>>58854368If nothing I say will make you like it and nothing you say will make me dislike it, then what is left to discuss?
>>58851016when I first saw Dudunsparce I thought it was a graphical glitch of two Dunsparce models overlapped.It ruined my fucking day to realize it was actually a new pokemon
>>58854492But it's fine when a kanto shitmons only gets bigger btw
>>58851962>I-ITS LE REFERENCEUltraman is ass btw kamen rider is the only tokushit that matters
>>58854496why do you random gen alpha fuckers make shit up and act like anybody but you said it? I hate nu-posters with my entire soul
>>58851962>and will never understand the hate.In what world is it difficult to understand?I dont even dislike it personally, I'm pretty neutral on it, and I see some positives in it, but it's obviously a goofy ass joke mon. Thats not gonna sit well with a lot of people.>"But it was always a reference!!!"Yes, Starmie has Ultraman elements, I get it, but there's clearly a difference in degree here. Starmie went from having the glowing core and a propensity for beam attacks, to just straight up looking like a starfish kaiju, full man-in-rubber-suit style. They took a mysterious, cool mon, and made its Mega look like a silly jokey one, its a huge shift in style and degree.
>>58852627I'm in the rare camp of being just sort of "fine" with MStarmie. I've got issues with it, but I see positives as well. >Easy Mode:-I like that it's a tokusatsu. I agree with the opposing sentiment that "just because its a reference, it doesn't mean it's good", but in this case, I find it comforting.Pokemon's originally based extremely heavily on tokusatsu media, and with any franchise, age and changing of the guard means visions wax and wane. MStarmie being such a stupid, in-your-face reference to a semi obscure kaiju type reassures me that they're still drawing from the same origins. I like that.-While hard shifting to a "haha funni" design on an otherwise cool and mysterious Pokemon, isn't something I agree with, I do appreciate that they're using its more humanoid proportions for expressiveness. I find that silly hands-on-hips superhero pose on a star shaped body, reminds me directly of Starman from Kirby, or Starman from Earthbound. -Jumping off that last point, the fact that it's doing outright karate-like moves I think looks genuinely cool, in a whimsical sort of way. I'd like to see that expanded more, do full on flying jump kicks and whatnot.>Hard Mode:-Sometimes simplicity can have its advantages.In Starmie's case, it's SUCH a drastic shift in design style from your typical Mega, that it stands out, and reads as highly intentional. While it pisses people off, it SHOULD be something that makes you ask "why". Of course, most are too stubborn to do this but I digress.The added lore of MStarmie purposely trying to mimic a human shape, with ominous intentions, does help to imbue it with a highly alien feel. Doing so in such a direct and unmessy way, not bothering to augment anything else about itself, gives a very calculated undertone that implies something foreign and inherently unlike us.-That simplicity also works towards eliciting that "man-in-rubber-suit" aesthetic.
>>58851962I don't hate him I hate fags trying to pretend that he wasn't designed directly by someone fucking around in a 3D CAD software like most pokemon past gen 6.
>>58851962Fandom influence is always bad.
>>58854717(cont)Whether you like that "man-in-rubber-suit" aesthetic is a fair question up for debate, but it absolutely works to elicit it.
>>58851016After Exeggutor and Meowth, I knew this had to be real.
>>58854453way to completely disregard not only my point but your own. Starmiefags, as always, seem entirely incapable of understanding another's opinion.
>>58854717>While it pisses people off, it SHOULD be something that makes you ask "why". Of course, most are too stubborn to do this but I digress.I don't think there's any satisfying answer to that "why" in the design. It seems like a series of decisions that could work in a vacuum but was executed with no nuance. Even the idea of it being minimal changes on purpose doesn't justify it being minimal... Gamefreak has a habit of using things like animations heavily in the design process now that they've swapped to fully 3d models, and that sometimes helps designs (A-Muk and Toucannon come to mind), but in this case it doesn't help convey this design like its more human-like expressions otherwise could.If they had added any level of:>unnatural shaping/movement/contortions implying Starmie is having to actively keep appearances up>particle/light/aura effects for certain animations either to show that it is a powered-up state or to call back to sending messages to the stars>some type of model or texture shift that deviates the design temporarily from the base formit would have been executed far better. But it really does seem like more of a joke than a thoughtful execution of the idea.Let me say: I do appreciate your unbiased analysis even if I disagree with it.
>>58854782>I don't think there's any satisfying answer to that "why" in the designI didnt fully extrapolate on that point, but the answer to that question should be either its design origin, or the weird alien lore behind the design shift. To add, MStarmie tends to be accused of being lazy. Not that Gamefreak isn't capable of laziness, they absolutely are, but in this case they need a new model and set of animations regardless of how simple the change is. That paired with its starkness reads as "intentional" to me. Again, whether that "intention" to the design ends up being a GOOD one, up for debate. But it WAS intended. >unnatural shaping/movement/contortions implying Starmie is having to actively keep appearances up>particle/light/aura effects for certain animations either to show that it is a powered-up state or to call back to sending messages to the stars>some type of model or texture shift that deviates the design temporarily from the base formAnd frankly, I fully agree with these ideas. I do think that there's ways they could've elevated it further that they totally missed the mark on, and I like literally all of these suggestions.
>>58851016Pokémon started feeling like fakemon in Gen 5
why is he doing that one meme pose?
>>58854854It started with gen 8. There are so many Pokemon that give off the feeling of Gen 5 era fakemon now.
>>58854717The thing is, Starmie is not solely (or even primarily) based on tokusatsu. It's a mix of that, an alien, a throwing star, but ultimately a starfish; it is a Water-type and lives in oceans after all. Even the egg group implies that human-mimicry schtick is relevant only to a moderate level and not *that much* on the forefront, as it only has Water 3 and not Human-like.One of the major issues of Mega Starmie is that it reduces from the other nuances I mentioned and goes full on the mimicry. This is basically a Flanderization on a design level. People can clock this deep down even if they can't articulate it.
The main issue is, Starmie was never a jokemon so why make its mega one. They could still do the ultra man thing but just so more than stretch it
>>58855238Late as fuck replying, but I want to say that yes, I completely agree with you.Like I said, I'm in a more neutral camp with MStarmie. While I was listing positives there, I ultimately feel ambivalent towards it. My two biggest negatives are exactly that, and what >>58856499 is saying -- normal Starmie fits a much more "cool" and "mysterious" role, so for MStarmie to do a 180 and go full exaggerative jokemon betrays the biggest reasons people would've liked Starmie to begin with. >Starmie is not solely (or even primarily) based on tokusatsuTalking about this a bit more, I noticed people reductively try and argue "Starmie was always Ultraman!", but thats not quite accurate. It's more like it took some Ultraman elements on top of its existing design -- it's not like Starmie stops functioning as a design if its jewel doesnt glow at low health.Leaning into the tokusatsu element isnt totally left field, but it's also not entirely captivating. As much as it makes people seethe, IMO Starmie would be a great candidate to get a second Mega, one that's a bit more alligned with Starmie's natural appeal.
>>58851962Because it's low effort, they just lengthened the legs on the model. They could've changed the shape/color of the gem to make it more interesting but nope
